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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/24/2008 12:13:45 PM | Mr. Internet wrote:
Your TV watching has affected your sense of purpose in society.
Hmmmmm... I agree with the OP, and I don't watch TV. I haven't watched TV
in a good six months, and get my news from online and from newspapers I read.
How does my views of a candidate's vote on illegal immigration issues affect my
sense of purpose in society?
Do you feel illegal immigration - particularly the fact that the "top three candidates"
seem to support it - isn't a major issue in this presidential race, and shouldn't be
addressed? What's wrong with reviewing the candidates stances on the issues -
especially an issue like this one that affects so many other aspects of our lives.
This affects our job market, our healthcare, and every major aspect of our lives.
If you don't care that our country is being flooded with illegals who have no
respect for our laws, then I really do feel sorry for you, as it is you who seem
to have blinders on.
Obama doesn't even want English to be the official language. WTF??? He voted NO on:
Declaring English the National Language
"Vote to pass an amendment that declares English as the language of "sole legal
authority" for the business of the federal government, and declares that no person
has a right to require officials of the United States government to use a language
other than English."
Clinton voted NO, as well - and, in one move that I agree with - McCain voted YES.
It's rare I agree with McCain on anything, but I will say he did the right thing in
this case.
Dayna
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/25/2008 5:19:28 AM | Remember!! these immigrants that are coming over here bothering so many of you are making a ton of your friends who don't ever say anything RICH! C'mon people the illegal immigrants aren't coming over here creating companys...they're working for someone. They would not be here if there was no INNCENTIVE. How dare you blame the illegal immigrant and not the people who provide them a safe haven to work for damn near slave wages. Basically the people who are complaining are the one's who aren't getting a piece of the pie and the immigration is starting to affect their way of living. You people who are complaining so much need to look internally into your own communities. If believe if you are a true lover of America....you have to be able to take an honest look at the whole system and not look to blame what it is you naturally fear. By adressing this issue soley Obama will be successful with the immigration issue...by fining the companys heavily that hire illegals. | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/25/2008 7:30:37 AM |
Insolent, everything you say about Obama that you think discredits him, just makes me like him more.
I am feeling the same way.
It is plain to see that Obama won't be getting any votes from the white supremacist sect. | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/25/2008 7:45:28 AM |
I don't get a warm and fuzzy feeling knowing that my potential president of the future condones this kind of behavior to illegal immigrants of my country
He lost any chance to win my vote when he voted againstpartialbirth abortion, a medical procedure that doctors perform at birth, breaking the infants neck, while calling it an "abortion".
By observing a mans decisions on political/ethical issues in the past, , one can accurately judge what we can expect in the future and what his character is.
I reviewed all of their records, it is the reasoning behind the vote that should be examined
There is no excuse known to mankind that can justify voting against the best interest of the people of our nation.
A leader of an entire country should be expected to legalistically stand firm on what is right. No matter what the consequences. | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/25/2008 8:13:44 AM | | I don't have a problem with people like you labeling me...its all good...You can try to cast me as a White supremacist racist or whatever,it still doesn't change what Obama stands for and what his agenda has been and will be if elected...I am not the one who is a member of a church that advocates a value system based on race, my church does not have a non-negotiable commitment to a Germany,my Church does not have an agenda that is only concerned with the White Community, my church wasn't born out of a White Power movement....If you decide to ignore Obamas core beliefs that is your prerogative, I honestly believe that he has an Afro-centric agenda and that it has been reflected in the legislation he has supported and supports and his stance on the issues... | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/25/2008 11:21:57 AM | He lost any chance to win my vote when he voted againstpartialbirth abortion
Sounds like you are for partial birth abortion. Think you accidentally left the word "ban" out. I must be getting bored. | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/25/2008 12:42:13 PM | Sounds like you are for partial birth abortion. Think you accidentally left the word "ban" out. I must be getting bored. Yeah, I did.
Thank ya, doll. Forgive my mistake, yes?
I actually meant
He lost any chance to win my vote when he voted against the ban of partialbirth abortion
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/25/2008 9:40:54 PM | larissan04, it is INDUSTRY that wants illegal immigrants. Any presidential candidate that "wants something done about the borders" will have to battle American INDUSTRY because they have a HUGE supply of cheap, expoitable labor and they like it.
They RECRUIT illegal immigrants at the border, they BUS them to plants, they HOUSE them ..........and then, of course, the dock the bus ride and the housing from their pay. ....and even make a profit from that, too. :-)
In some of the meat-cutting plants where a cow a minute whizzes by on assembly lines and immigrant workers have 3 seconds to make their cut ........every 3 seconds, 8 or more hours a day ... these people are PROHIBITED FROM bringing their own lunches and have to buy the overpriced cafeteria food........which they also make a tidy profit from.... try doing THAT to an American worker!!!
It's the Industrialists who are doing this, folks. Don't blame the workers and don't even blame the government. Cuz you know what INDUSTRY will say to the government? "Well, block the immigrants , Mr. President, and we will close down those plants and we will open up shop overseas, Mr. President.........". :-) | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/25/2008 9:43:50 PM | Insolent1, get off the church thing, man, you are REALLY getting to be an annoyance with that, it's like a damned broken record. 
Really, just get off it, would you? | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/25/2008 10:11:58 PM | Msg34, correct. Ironically, in this case, the (relatively unfettered) capitalism we have here is actually operating as part of the problem for those who usually most vehemently support it (ie, usually Right'ish and/or Libertarian types who are usually very much pro free market, etc.). Doing what you suggested, or doing anything on a federal level to more seriously penalize industries that exploit this problem for example, would essentially entail (even more than there already is of ) the dreaded "gov't interference into business", would it not?
The fact is probably many of these big industries who improve their bottom lines based on this problem are also pretty decent campaign contributors, possibly or probably to both parties (to pad their bets).
Expect no big changes from the fed'l level w/this situation; even if McCain gets it what you're more than likely looking at is either just more of the same , or a guest worker / path to citizenship / amnesty type of thing. There may be some sort of condition attached, eg, you all have to learn English. Fine. Now try enforcing that anyway.
Once the ones who are already here are all effectively amnestied, or put on the fast track to citizenship , or what have you, then they'll simply do what they did after the last big amnesty: nothing much, and wait another 10 or 15 yrs until there's 12 or 13 million MORE central Americans present in the south and southwest, CA, other big cities across the country........and begin kicking around new "ideas" in DC, yet again.
One thing , at least IMO, people should NOT expect to see is anything remotely resembling "round-ups" and mass deportations, or anything along those lines. The only ones who seriously advocate action like that are never going to be allowed to even be taken seriously as a presidential candidate, so........ (in any event I'd hate to see that kind of thing have to happen here anyway , personally; I think "round-ups" and mass deportations just have to be inherently unAmerican somehow...). | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/26/2008 3:22:03 AM | | The only problem with illegal immigrants is the fact that the word illegal makes them look like they aren't supposed to be here and breaking the law. Has anyone thought that maybe if they drop the word illegal and just call them immigrants the problem would just go away or at least not draw attention to them so much? We could then blur the lines between illegals and legal immigrants and make thoses that don't like them look like they are bigots against immigrants in general. Shoot...I just realized that would be dishonest...never mind. | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/26/2008 7:02:09 AM | Actually, depends on what you consider rounding up and mass deportations. In the 90's, Clinton deported over a 100,000 in a single year and he went after businesses who hire illegals in much higher numbers than Bush did). Some would consider that round ups and mass deportation. In 2007, over 200,000 were deported(the problem is much more serious now than when Clinton was president). The U.S. has been rounding up and deporting illegals for decades now through many different presidents. Its just that since we have inadequate number of border patrol and inadequate number of immigrations and customs enforcement agents(ICE)for interior enforcement, and illegal aliens can too easily work here illegally and get welfare here illegally that the round ups and deportations just haven't been enough to stop the problem from getting increasingly worse.
The solution is really pretty simple. Get Pelosi to stop blocking Heath Shuler's bill HR 4088, then enforce federal law and make sure illegals can't get welfare. Increase border patrol to at least double what it is now and triple the number of immigrations and customs enforcement agents(there are far too few to really do an effective job), increase coast guard patrols too. When illegals can't get jobs or welfare illegally, most will leave the country and won't bother entering illegally in the future. The problem of illegal immigration will be pretty much a thing of the past, and we can focus on other problems then. Unfortunately, none of the 3 major candidates running for president now favor such a simple and effective plan to solve the problem once and for all, they are in the pockets of groups like The National Council of La Raza that don't want such effective and simple solutions put into place.  | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/26/2008 7:35:57 AM | America (particularly in certain regions) is changing, yet again, that's what it is. And there's always been an element here (just as there is in Europe or elsewhere) which doesn't react well to change. In Europe today the issues are immigration as well, albeit not necessarily "illegals" ~ just massive waves of immigration from Muslim lands for example. In Italy Silvio Berlusconi's party (relatively Right'ish) just recently won elections (yet again -- previously they'd been the dominant party from '01 to '06 then replaced by the liberal gov't of Romano Prodi). Rome just elected its first openly Right-wing mayor since WWII era. This is not unique to America. The reason is the people perceive change and (perhaps instinctively) fear and dislike it. Over there it's not Mexicans, obviously (in fact they'd probably prefer Mexicans as Mexicans are usually Roman Catholics and speak in a language they could mostly understand), but instead it's ..... you name it, the Romanian Gypsy "crime waves", too many (usually Muslim) Albanians, too many (also Muslim) Moroccans, and so forth.
The thing is America's been through all this before, immigration "crises". In its best mood it seems to pride itself on it, ironically. First there were the Irish immigrations. Then at the turn of and in the first quarter of the 20th century they went through it again, experiencing the first large waves of Italian and other southern & eastern European immigration. (By then the Irish were getting more settled and were even becoming policemen, and were getting active in politics, etc ~ and they in their turn discriminated against the newer immigrants).
The "nativist" Americans chafed at the sight of Italians, Portuguese, Greeks, eastern Euros, etc, coming off the boats in massive numbers. There were Lou Dobbs'es of the time (so to speak) who railed against them and their foreign ways (Latin Catholicism and laziness and criminality, Slavic brutishness or stupidity, "greasy" underhanded Greek merchants, to say nothing of eastern Jews....). Congress enacted in 1924 a quota act specifically aimed at curbing southern & eastern European immigration -- this was in place until the 1950's.
The point is the country was changing at that point, experiencing a major demographic change from a largely "white Anglo Saxon Protestant" nation to something more like a true "melting pot". The powers that were had a hard time digesting even other European immigrations; how much more so will it be for immigration of peoples who are even more different. I think much of this is to be expected. But the change marches on regardless.
Who would have ever thought, back then when the poor were arriving at Ellis Island in waves, that there would be a Roman Catholic president, or a Jew (succeeding an Italian) running NYC, an Irishman running Chicago, black Congressmen (and women!) and a liberal black man whose father was born in Africa and a liberal female as two of the key front runners for the presidency. Those "nativist" Anglo-Americans must be turning in their graves.
So the central American immigrations will (eventually, if more slowly) change this country again; that's about all it will amount to. You may have, a couple gen's from now , Spanish alongside English for the kids here from grade school on (gasp! they could turn out truly bilingual!); you'll see more Mexican-Americans eventually becoming important politicians and eventually probably president, and so forth. It will change again, as it's bound to do ~ unless we wish to see it locked down , fenced and walled off and turretted like East Berlin, people rounded up and deported en masse, and so on and so forth. But even if that happened, that too would be a big change, but not for the better, IMO... | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/26/2008 8:55:28 AM | The anti-illegal immigration movement of today is much different from the anti-immigration movement of times past. Please don't confuse the two, its a mistake many people make. Most Americans these days favor legal immigration in reasonable numbers(as do I), but are opposed to illegal immigration, therefore it is not xenophobia or racism which some people on the left(and even the right) like to claim, nor is it fear of change. Legal immigration(at over a million people a year) causes plenty of change and diversity. Illegal immigration is not needed nor desirable by most Americans. Sure, there is a small percentage out there who oppose any immigrants not of their own race even if they are legal due to racism, but most Americans reject that sort of thing.
When the country is changed due to legal immigration, most Americans of today respect it and embrace it, and most Americans these days welcome those who immigrate here legally. Sure, you can talk about Americans of the past and what they were like, but Americans of the past accepted slavery, Americans of today overwhelmingly reject it. The Americans of today are significantly different from Americans of the past. When the country is changed through illegal means(illegal immigration), they resent it and get upset about it.
When Canadians ask me, why are so many Americans wanting english as the official language of the united states and resistant to the fast growth in Spanish, why not just have spanish and english and be a bi-lingual country like Canada is? The situation in Canada is much different. Most french speaking people in Canada are there legally. A large percentage of spanish speaking people in the U.S. are here illegally and illegal immigration is a big reason why spanish has grown so fast here. There are approximately 46 million hispanic/latinos in the U.S. and over 20 million illegal immigrants and approximately 80% of them are hispanic/latino, you can do the math there. If the language was being changed through legal means, that would be one thing, but changing it through so much illegal activity is bound to cause concern, anger and resentment and a desire to reverse whats been done illegally.
Many in the mainstream media don't even bother to distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants, and just talk of immigrants, which is bound to confuse people. And that same media falsely and unfairly calls those who oppose illegal immigration but favor legal immigration as "anti-immigrant", which also confuses people.
You spoke of locking down, walling off the country with turrets, mass deportation(mass deportation isn't necessary or cost effective when it would be much cheaper and easier to cause illegals to leave the country on their own through the process I described above),etc. The way you present this, it sounds like you are talking of stopping all immigration period, forever. Most Americans don't want that, and no presidential candidate this time around advocated that either. Stopping illegal immigration would be a good thing most Americans would favor, while continuing on with legal immigration. Would that be such a terrible thing, in your opinion? | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/27/2008 5:19:31 AM | | The left has to lump immigration and illegal immigration together because there really is no good reason for any country to allow illegal immigration.... | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/28/2008 6:14:36 AM | illegal immigration started when the first white man entered the land from the sea and started occupying sovereign Indian land. I'm guessing because the Natives didn't have immigration laws that this doesn't count?
Technicaly the guys that discovered our country were illegal immigrants. No visa no work permit nothing.
Should I point out that Caucasians were crossing the border into Mexico to establish themselves in Texas, Arizona, New Mexico and California since the late 1700's. They did it illegally and did not learn the local language.
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/28/2008 12:51:52 PM | Hi fridayboo,
I am guessing that you didn't get the memo listing the "talking points" regarding the occupation on the lands occupied by indigenous peoples. We need to help others understand that the purpose was to civilize and bring the gospel to those people inhabiting the land. Any other kind of talk isn't acceptable.
Seriously, I wonder if anyone will ever respond to your post. My experience has been that when you present a definite point of view, just like the one you are expressing here, it goes without much of a reply from those who spout the opposite view.
Thank you for having the courage to say it. I wasn't an illegal immigrant, but I have been treated pretty much like one most of my life, always on the bottom of the payscale, told to go back to my country on a regular basis when I don't agree with everything I am being told. All this even after having paid all the fees related with the legal process of immigration, naturalization, and citizenship, and after having learnt the English language. In the end, legal or illegal, there isn't much of a difference in the way one gets treated. | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/28/2008 12:59:55 PM |
Message: illegal immigration started when the first white man entered the land from the sea and started occupying sovereign Indian land. I'm guessing because the Natives didn't have immigration laws that this doesn't count?
Technicaly the guys that discovered our country were illegal immigrants. No visa no work permit nothing.
Should I point out that Caucasians were crossing the border into Mexico to establish themselves in Texas, Arizona, New Mexico and California since the late 1700's. They did it illegally and did not learn the local language.
Perfect
Basically....unless you are Native American......the rest of you need to pack up and push off and................re-apply from your countries of origin........come on.....rules or rules.........
The Native American needs to convene a pow wow on immigration......................then you lot can apply for your places in America....................in the meantime...............there is supposed to be a day of action in Toronto to protest the unjust treatment of the Native American tomorrow .I hope all the liberals are there ??? | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/28/2008 5:36:17 PM | "illegal immigration started when the first white man entered the land from the sea and started occupying sovereign Indian land. I'm guessing because the Natives didn't have immigration laws that this doesn't count?"
So, if you feel this way, that America belongs to American indians who didn't want us here, shouldn't all non-American indians leave the country and give it all back to the American indians then? Send the whites back to europe, blacks back to africa, hispanics back to some latin american country, arabs back to the middle east, asians back to asia. Somehow, I don't think those countries in those areas of the world would take back millions of people who are not their own citizens, they would view them as citizens of America(though you view them as illegal immigrants). And somehow I don't think you're willing to leave the country and give them their land back, even though you say they are the rightful owners, and I doubt most other American citizens wouldn't go for that plan either. The American Indians might like that plan though.
But basically you seem to be saying, since over 99 percent of all people are here against the wishes of the American inidans(who immigrated here too over the land bridge 12000 years ago, and may have wiped out other peoples who were already here before them, in which case the people we call American indians would be considered illegal immigrants too)that we should just do nothing to stop future illegal immigration and let unlimited numbers of people in here and give amnesty to the over 20 million who are here already? If I'm misunderstanding your point of view, I apologize.
The citizens of America can look back on the past of this country, and feel depressed, demoralized and let themselves get walked all over and taken advantage of by others who see it as a weakness, or we can move on and not forget the past, but learn from it and try not to let it happen again in the future.
If you look at the history of most other continents outside of North America, bad things happened in their past, people were killed, land was taken, etc. Does that mean every country in the world where that happened, the current citizens alive today in those countries who had nothing to do with it should be punished for things that happened hundreds or thousands of years ago?  | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/28/2008 6:58:53 PM | Typical, "get over it" remark from the great grandchildren of the colonizers. Keeping white America honest and truthful to their own laws and Constitutions is a fight that Native Americans and African Americans have shared.... But these are things that you have to be able to see for yourself.....Helping America become a true beacon of democracy for everyone is still important to me....I love this country...for what it can be not for what it has been...it shows potential at times...but overall whites have to feel comfortable with discussions on race and ethnicity without feeling someone is trying to take something from them. I never said that Natve Americans didn't want whites here.....truth be told they didn'ty mind you here...until they were used....until westward expansion.....and a lot of broken legal promises. Let's use the current policy that we use in Iraq these days and put that to immigration...you know the one, that says...."who cares how we got in Iraq , let's talk about how we're gonna fix it"....Imagine applying that same strategy to immigration..."who cares how they got over here, let's just talk about how we're gonna fix it".  | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/28/2008 7:47:43 PM | Hmm, depends on what you mean by "colonizers". Do you mean, descendants of the people who came to the north american continent before America existed as a country? If so, I'm not a descendant of those people who came and conquered, I'm a descendant of legal immigrants from the late 1800's who came well after America was already established as an independent country.
Anyway, I was not implying people who have been wronged hundreds or thousands of years in the past should have no sympathy or understanding, sorry if you took it that way. I sympathize with any race, nationality or any other class of people who has been wronged in the distant or more recent past.
Sometimes I hear about how white people are evil, and are responsible for so many bad things in the world. Yes, I admit they did many bad things in the past, but they are not the only race who did bad things in the past. Just about every race on the planet has done bad things in the past, white people are no exception.
I am glad you still love this country, I do too, though I am quite concerned about the future of this country for many different reasons, and like you, I am no fan of Bush, I think he should have been impeached and removed by now, and not just because of Iraq but also because of his failure to protect the country among other things.
I am not so sure the American Indians didn't mind people immigrating to their land. Who is to say that the indians of 500 years ago didn't want people illegally immigrating into their country, no matter what race they happened to be? I don't think you can really paint all indians with a broad brush, because there were so many different tribes and not all of them agreed on everything, some had different beliefs and customs and some were more welcoming to strangers than others and they fought amongst each other at times. Most of them probably did not mind peaceful and friendly visitors who engaged in trade and attempts at conversations and learning each others languages. But when the visitors started taking over, they probably did not like that and no one can blame them. I don't.
I do agree with you though, that engaging in civil discussion of how to go about immigration reform is important, and I already gave my opinion in a fair amount of detail. | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/29/2008 5:28:34 AM | | Until 1918, the United States did not require passports; the term "illegal immigrant" had no meaning. New arrivals were required only to prove their identity and find a relative or friend who could vouch for them. People complain about Latin Americans coming for economic reasons, but they don't realize how many earlier immigrants did just the exact same. There seems to be a pattern perhaps rooted in human nature, with each generation of immigrants tending to look down on those who follow. The bitter arguments of the past echo loudly these days as Congress debates toughening the nation's immigration laws and immigrants from Latin America and Asia swell the towns of U.S. cities. I especially notice the patterns in the south...they usually move into low income heavily african-american areas and network to bring friends and families here to live in the same neighborhood and usually working for a slick american shipping company or construction company that wants to make money by paying what would be considered sub-human wages to most americans. Usually they keep to themselves and end up making the neighborhoods better places to live. We have to remember that these people that are coming over here are people who aspire to work hard and better their own and their families lives. The small buisness owners no different than the companies that lure them here try to capitalize on them by having half the store made in spanish...lol. The arguments today are the same arguments of yesterday....that too many immigrants seek economic advantage and fail to understand democracy(I thought that fair wages and capitalism were all apart of our democracy), that they refuse to learn English(How are buissnesses helping this?...By hiring people who speak spanish? By making sure spanish writing is on every product in the store?), overcrowd homes and overwhelm public services (as long as jobs are being provided why should they leave?)all were heard over a century ago. There is a hint of truth to some complaints, not least that the vast influx of immigrants drive down working-class wages. But my "honest question" is why are we blaming them...and not looking atr what we're doing to cause this? | |
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/29/2008 6:51:40 AM | Redwood34 you have an amazingly accurate point of view as it regards illegal immigration vs legal immigration, and America's reaction to it. Right on target in every way! Message #40 in particular..
This issue can be theorized and liberalized to death, and there are more diverse views on it than you can shake a stick at, for every imaginable reason.. But you've outlined it just about precisely as it really is. Good Job!! 
Bottom line: There is every difference in the world between Legal and Illegal Immigration. To begin with one is lawful, the other is not. And that matters a great deal in more ways than most of us imagine! We can twist history around every which way and come up with just about any theory we want to feel is justified, but that doesn't change how things are in the here and now.
Most of those who sponsor the illegal side of immigration with such enthusiasm are simply not subjected to the negative effects of such massive influx on any significant scale, as some locations are, which draw them to an overwhelming extent. Such cities see massive upswings in violent street-gangs such as MS-13 and the Latin Kings, and dramatic increases in drug trafficking and street drug sales, as well as a significant downturn of applicable neighborhoods, where residents become fearful and threatened, from those very groups, who essentially care about nothing and are willing to commit just about any crime imaginable.
Illegal Immigration is not pretty unless we place no value in the sanctity of our homeland. Nor is it tolerable. It could not be more different from the legal immigration process.
-Suth'nBoy
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| Obama on Immigration
Posted: 5/29/2008 9:38:22 AM |
Remember!! these immigrants that are coming over here bothering so many of you are making a ton of your friends who don't ever say anything RICH!
who are "my" friends that are getting rich? how do you know who "my" friends are?
How dare you blame the illegal immigrant and not the people who provide them a safe haven to work for damn near slave wages.
who is this "you" that you keep referring to? I am white, am I a "you?" I put all the blame on the people who hire them. I also put the blame on the federal government for offering even more incentives for breaking our laws. do you know what happens to citizens who commit social security fraud or identity theft? we should blame the ones who hire them and fine them, the problem is that we don't, and we never will. obama is a moveon.org puppet. nothing more. I don't trust these elitist politicians that have never worked a day in their lives. sorry barack, community organizer isn't a job. the simple fact that you refer to the pay given to illegals as "slave wages," shows me that you are not informed on the subject. I will say this for the last time. ILLEGALS MAKE MORE MONEY THAN LEGAL CITIZENS TO DO THE SAME JOB. this isn't an opinion, it's a fact. a skilled laborer, such as a heavy equipment operator, makes the same money regardless of legal status. the difference is that an illegal making $20 per hour under the table, takes home $20 per hour. the legal making $20 per hour takes home $16 per hour after various deductions. so why would they want illegals if they pay them the same? it costs the employer much more than $20 to have a legal citizen on the payroll and give them benefits. it only costs them $20 per hour to have the illegal. it's simple economics that most try to ignore. as for illegals doing jobs that others won't, that is just plain silly. go to vermont. vermont is lily white, and you know what, they still operate. they have people to work at burger king, they have people who mow lawns. amazing how that works. it's called supply and demand.
illegal immigration started when the first white man entered the land from the sea and started occupying sovereign Indian land. I'm guessing because the Natives didn't have immigration laws that this doesn't count?
I agree. the way the native americans were treated was horrible.
Typical, "get over it" remark from the great grandchildren of the colonizers.
are you kidding me? are you assuming that everyone who is white is a great grandchild of the colonizers? I got bad news for ya, my family came here, legally, from sicily in the 1920's. your attempt to paint all white people as devils has failed. you know sicily don't you? it's the country that was invaded by african tribes hundreds of years ago. the african tribes murdered, raped, and pillaged to their content. I guess it's things like this that your selective account of history tries to ignore.
but overall whites have to feel comfortable with discussions on race and ethnicity without feeling someone is trying to take something from them
haha! imagine someone trying to take something from "whites." that wouldn't happen, would it? like when my grandfather moved his family to washington DC in the 1950's for work. after living there for a year, they were evicted from their house. reason? the house was turned into section 8. they made too much money to live there. irony is a funny thing, isn't it?
Until 1918, the United States did not require passports
until 1913 we didn't have an income tax. what's your point?
I thought that fair wages and capitalism were all apart of our democracy
we don't live in a democracy. that is a lie spat forward by democrats. why? because democracy sounds like democrat. it's a mind game. they call themselves the democratic party. it's the democrat party. barack obama isn't a democratic. he's a democrat. oh, and we are a constitutional republic. | |
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