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| Senator Kennedy Diagnosed with Brain Cancer Posted: 5/22/2008 9:55:51 PM | Well....From what I read on this thread, people seem to have forgotten how to forgive and see that everyone makes mistakes. I personally would never wish such a thing on anyone, and sometimes you just have to humble up, and start building up the strength in you to forgive someone even if you didn't like what they did or stood for.
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| Senator Kennedy Diagnosed with Brain Cancer Posted: 5/23/2008 8:00:36 AM | Mary Jo Kopechne, born in Forty Fort, Pennsylvania, was the only child of insurance salesman Joseph Kopechne and his wife Gwen. Upon graduation from Caldwell College for women in New Jersey, Kopechne moved to Birmingham, Alabama to teach at the Mission of St. Jude school. She then moved to Washington, D.C. to work as secretary to Florida Senator George Smathers before subsequently becoming secretary to New York Senator Robert F. Kennedy following his election in 1964. At the time of her death, she was working for Matt Reese Associates, a Washington D.C. firm that helped establish campaign headquarters for politicians. She had taken that position in December 1968 after Kennedy's death from an assassin's bullet the previous June. On July 18, 1969, Kopechne attended a party on Chappaquiddick Island, off the coast of Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, held in honor of the "Boiler Room Girls." This affectionate name was given to the six young women who had been vital to the late Robert Kennedy's presidential campaign and who had subsequently closed up his files and campaign office after his assassination. Besides Kopechne, the other women, all single, were Susan Tannenbaum, Maryellen Lyons, Ann Lyons, Rosemary (Cricket) Keough, and Esther Newberg. The men in attendance, all married but present without their wives, were Ted Kennedy, Joe Gargan, U.S. Attorney Paul Markham, Charles Tretter, Raymond La Rosa, and John Crimmins. The festivity was held at Lawrence Cottage, rented for the occasion by Gargan, Kennedy's cousin and lawyer. The 12 attendees gathered at the cottage after two Kennedy boats raced in the Edgartown Regatta earlier in the day. Kopechne left the party at 11:15 p.m. with Kennedy after he allegedly offered to drive her back to the Katama Shores Motor Inn in Edgartown where she was staying. (According to Kennedy, they left the party at 11:15 p.m. to catch the last ferry of the night -- at midnight. According to Kennedy, on his way to the ferry crossing back to Edgartown, he accidentally turned right onto Dike Road - a dirt road - instead of bearing left on Main Street which was a paved road. After proceeding one-half mile, he descended a hill and came upon a narrow bridge set obliquely to the unlit road. Kennedy drove the 1967 Oldsmobile Delmont 88 belonging to his mother, Rose Kennedy, off the side of Dike Bridge, and the car overturned into Poucha Pond. A Reader's Digest investigation estimated that the car was travelling at about 35 miles per hour when it left the bridge. Kennedy extricated himself from the submerged car but Kopechne died. Since her parents' lawyer, Joseph Flanagan, filed a petition barring an autopsy, the cause of death was never medically confirmed. When the car was recovered, all the doors were locked and three of the windows were either open or smashed in. Kennedy said that he dived down several times attempting to free her and, after exhausting himself, rested for 20 minutes, then walked back to the Lawrence Cottage where the party had been held. At the Lawrence Cottage, Kennedy summoned his cousin, Joe Gargan, and another friend, Paul Markham, to return to the scene of the accident. Kennedy sat in the back of a white Plymouth Valiant rental car that Kopechne had used that day. Though there was a working telephone at this location, the group waited 10 hours before they contacted the police. Kennedy then returned to the submerged car with Gargan and Markham who then resumed trying to reach her. The group claimed that the tidal current prevented them from reaching her for fear of being swept out to sea. However tidal records indicated that the tide was running in the opposite direction at the time of the supposed attempted rescue. Aftermath On television Kennedy later said he was not driving under the influence of alcohol. This has been widely disputed by many reports. He explained he was in a state of shock when he emerged from the creek and confused by "a jumble of emotions," and that his conduct in not reporting the accident was "inexcusable." He said he gave up hope and remembers little of how he got back to his hotel in Edgartown, except that he swam the narrow channel because there were no night ferries, and nearly drowned in the process. Kennedy pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident after causing injury. He received a two month suspended sentence and one year probation. Questions remain about his attempts to save Kopechne and the possibility of interference in the investigation and the trial by his family and friends. Kopechne's death severely damaged Kennedy's reputation and is regarded as a major reason that he was never able to mount a successful campaign for President of the United States. A funeral for Kopechne was held on July 22, 1969, at St. Vincent's Roman Catholic Church in Plymouth, Pennsylvania, attended by Kennedy. She is buried in the parish cemetery on the side of Larksville Mountain.
Forgive him? Let us forgive Charles Manson, he was not present at the Sharon Tate murders. Let us forgive O.J. Simpson, the glove didn't fit, so let's aquit. Let us pardon and forgive every convicted involuntary murderer in prison. Ted made a mistake, now he's dying? So now murder is considered a mistake, "Oops so sorry Miss K the brakes slipped, sorry - I f**ked up." - Yeh, right!...
Justice is blind with bribery, corruption, and greed, how can we still be blind to murder. Eventually what goes around, comes around. If Ted's dies, regardless of how much he did for the working man, is it all worth the life of Mary Jo? Yes, I may have not been present, and know all the facts of what happend in July 1969. We also don't know the difference or the lives that Mary Jo would have touched if she was still here.
She was an only child! Imagine how the parents felt...imagine if it was your child? would YOU not be hoping that someday Justice would be served? If it was my child, I would not be looking at this as just another mistake. Yes, it's sad Teddy has a tumor...but I weep not for the murders, I weep for the victims that are left in their wake.  | |
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| Senator Kennedy Diagnosed with Brain Cancer Posted: 5/23/2008 9:26:03 AM | Forgive him? Let us forgive Charles Manson, he was not present at the Sharon Tate murders. Let us forgive O.J. Simpson, the glove didn't fit,
Those two creeps are another story completely and you know that!!. OJ is trash that gets lucky and the sucka needs nails in his big old head!! I won't even go into Charles Manson, he is the worst of the worst, ugly inside and out peace of shit that needs a good beating of love (discipline) to get that guy back to reality. He seems like one of those hippies who still feels he can fly lol, he is totally insane.
Ted Kennedy is clearly another matter, and we should all excercice forgiveness even though he did things we are not happy with. | |
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| Senator Kennedy Diagnosed with Brain Cancer Posted: 5/23/2008 10:00:26 AM | I really wonder where all this venom comes from people, every one so sure of themselves and horrible things Kennedy did and what a horrible man he is. All from things they're read.
So why don't one of you snakes....errr, I mean, persons ... state exactly what you think happened that night at the bridge and why you think Kennedy is such a horrible man on that score as well as others scores, please.
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| Senator Kennedy Diagnosed with Brain Cancer Posted: 5/23/2008 10:32:40 AM | Senatorial Privilege: The Chappaquiddick Cover-up: By Leo Damore Read this book..I read it many years ago and it will tell you all you need to know about ol Teddy...how Mary Jo survived in that car for a time in an air pocket...how and what Good ol Teddy did and when..Teddy was and is a lying coward..he deserves his fate. I feel for the innocent ones in his family...although they are rare. | |
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| Senator Kennedy Diagnosed with Brain Cancer Posted: 5/23/2008 10:45:23 AM |
Read this book..I read it many years ago and it will tell you all you need to know about ol Teddy...how Mary Jo survived in that car for a time in an air pocket...how and what Good ol Teddy did and when..Teddy was and is a lying coward..he deserves his fate. I feel for the innocent ones in his family...although they are rare.
So how do these people know she was in an air pocket.............were they there and if so........why didn't they save her ?
He is 70 odd and had a good innings and a pretty normal lifespan . Whats karmic about that............. ? | |
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| Senator Kennedy Diagnosed with Brain Cancer Posted: 5/23/2008 12:29:20 PM | Damore killed himself at 66 because he was "despondent" over a divorce.
He was turned down by Random House, apparantly, too, and they asked for their advance back.
He sounds like a fruitcake, frankly, and also someone with a big axe to grind against Kennedys.
"""""Leo J. Damore, 66, an Author Of a Book on Chappaquiddick Published: October 4, 1995 Leo J. Damore, who uncovered previously unreported information for his 1988 book, "Senatorial Privilege: The Chappaquiddick Coverup," took his life on Monday at his home in Essex, Conn. He was 66.
The police said that Mr. Damore fatally shot himself. His former wife, June Davison, said Mr. Damore had been despondent over their divorce last December.
Mr. Damore, a native of Ontario who moved with his family to North Tonawanda, N.Y., and graduated from Kent State University in Ohio, was working for a weekly newspaper, The Cape Cod News, in July 1969 when Senator Edward M. Kennedy's Oldsmobile plunged off a bridge on Chappaquiddick Island, killing Mary Jo Kopechne, a 28-year-old Senate aide who had been attending a party with the Senator and other staff members nearby.
The incident, which is widely believed to have ended any possibility that Senator Kennedy might be elected president, has been repeatedly investigated by the national press.
Mr. Damore, who knew many of the local law enforcement officials, managed to persuade several figures to give extensive interviews for the first time. For Mr. Damore, who had a reputation as a dogged, thorough investigator, obtaining the interviews was easier than having the book published.
Random House, which gave him a $150,000 advance in 1982, rejected his manuscript in 1987, describing it as libelous and demanding the return of the advance.
Mr. Damore, arguing that the book was sound and that the publisher was bowing to the Kennedy family, went to court. After a judge ruled against him, he reached a settlement with Random House and sought another publisher. Regnery Gateway, a small, conservative house, brought the book out the next year, and although it received few reviews, it immediately became a big seller.
Mr. Damore's other works include "The Cape Cod Years of John Fitzgerald Kennedy," published in 1967. At his death, Ms. Davison said, he was almost finished with another Kennedy book, about the President's affair with Mary Pinchot Meyer.
Mr. Damore is survived by his mother, Carmen, and a sister, Gloria of North Tonawanda; a son, Nicholas of Old Saybrook, Conn.; and two children from an earlier marriage, Charles of Niantic, Conn., and Leslie Hegarty of North Carolina. """ | |
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| Senator Kennedy Diagnosed with Brain Cancer Posted: 5/23/2008 12:35:00 PM | In those days, people werent using seatbelts.
The windows of the car were found open.
Not sure how an air pocket could exist with the windows open.
She was stuck, if she didnt swim out of the windows like Kennedy did. Or knocked unconscious.
He was an excellent swimmer, he claims to have dived back down and couldn't pull her out.
I don't know about the rest of it, but it sounds to me like a very tragic accident that Kennedy has been persucuted with for a long, long time probably at least initially by those with a political agenda against him and against all the Kennedys. | |
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| Senator Kennedy Diagnosed with Brain Cancer Posted: 5/23/2008 12:36:32 PM | colponic, give me a break, since when do you give a rat's ass for Mary Jo Kopechne, who died before you were born............."she was an only child! imagine how the parents felt....!".
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| Senator Kennedy Diagnosed with Brain Cancer Posted: 5/23/2008 1:05:46 PM |
What a shill, honestly,
posted b4 Coltonic I assume you have the same feelings for the parents of Michael Douglas? -----------------------------------
17 year old killed with his whole life ahead.
Another injustice.
Money Power and special treatment. | |
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| Senator Kennedy Diagnosed with Brain Cancer Posted: 5/23/2008 1:32:59 PM | HELLO~ He's 76 years old, for God's sake, we are not talking about a child or a young person in their prime...Everyone has to die...most folks don't even make it to 76 years old before death finds them...
I am not happy he's ill, but cmon, let it go, he's old and is going to die . we all are.
Personally I think the young woman drowned in the bay with Ted many years ago should recieve more thoughts today..she was a young person with her entire life aheadf of her..NOt an old man who has done his part...and then some.. | |
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| Senator Kennedy Diagnosed with Brain Cancer Posted: 5/23/2008 1:57:37 PM | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
...... agree with your sentiments somewhat . Her life was cut short .He has had a normal life span . Better than most. More tragic than most . Accidents do happen and this could be one or he could of got into panic mode precisely because it was a suspicious situation to be in .Panic because the effect on his political career being found with a single woman . He did have a political fallout regardless and we all do suspect him to be up to no good with the girl since he was married as were ALL the men...................but what were the women thinking of....................? | |
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| Senator Kennedy Diagnosed with Brain Cancer Posted: 5/23/2008 2:12:36 PM |
HELLO~ He's 76 years old, for God's sake, we are not talking about a child or a young person in their prime...Everyone has to die...most folks don't even make it to 76 years old before death finds them...
Oh good. I hope you feel the same way about your parents if they are still around or your grandparents. They're only XX years old. They've got to die sometime. Might as well go out back and shoot my parents/grandparents today. They are of no use any more. | |
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| Senator Kennedy Diagnosed with Brain Cancer Posted: 5/23/2008 5:49:43 PM | ^^^^what a sap you are... ...my dad died at 62 of cancer and gramps was lucky enough to make it to 85... my sister was killed at 39.. I wish she had made it to 76...but she didn't... And life goes on...Anyway doesn't it...
like it or not we are all going to die .
.the eskimos push their useless elders into the ice floes... I am not promoting that...
but death is coming for us all, why worry about it..live right..NOW | |
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