| Is there life after death Posted: 5/22/2008 2:05:16 PM | Life after death is a good way of manipulating an uneducated population into behaving.
Be good and you will go to heaven.
Be bad and you will burn in the fires of hell.
Thankfully now we have some education, and are trained to think for ourselves.
Some folk choose not to think for themselves, it's called having faith, usually in a god.
This has been about for ever but I like it and would like to share, it don't matter if it's true:
<div class="quote">A retiring physical chemistry professor was setting his last exam, for a graduate course in statistical thermodynamics. Being a bit bored with it all, and with a well kept and wry sense of humour, he set a single question on the sheet:
Is Hell endothermic or exothermic? Support you answer with a proof.
He had little idea what to expect, or how to grade the results, but decided to reward any student who was able to come up with a reasonable and consistent reply to his query. One A was awarded. Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law or some variant. The top student however wrote the following answer:
First, we postulate that if souls exist, then they must have some mass. If they do, then a mole of souls can also have a mass. So, at what rate are souls moving into hell and at what rate are souls leaving? I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for souls entering hell, lets look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to hell. Since there are more than one of these religions and people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all people and all souls go to hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in hell to increase exponentially.
Now, we look at the rate of change in volume in hell. Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in hell to stay the same, the ratio of the mass of souls and volume needs to stay constant. There are two possible conditions. One, if hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate t which souls enter hell, then the temperature and pressure in hell will increase exponentially until all hell breaks loose. Conversely, if hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in hell, than the temperature and pressure will drop until hell freezes over, condition two.
We can solve this with the 1990 postulation of Theresa LeClair, the girl who lived across the hall from me in first year residence who stated that "I will sleep with you when hell freezes over". Since I have still not been successful in obtaining sexual relations with her, condition two above has not been met, and thus it can be concluded that condition one is true, and hell is exothermic. | |
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| Is there life after death Posted: 5/22/2008 2:54:36 PM | | being on this thing 24/7 of late , wondering if I could get a life before death. | |
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| Is there life after death Posted: 5/22/2008 4:23:39 PM | Ooooh life after death? Well that is a very big can of worms.
I know an incredible psychic medium. I have seen him work in lots of places with people he has never met. I have spoken to the people afterwards who cannot understand how he knows so many very intimate details about them. How does he do it? I don't know. But he is always right.
I myself followed a spiritual path for a while and have an uncanny knack of reading tarot cards for people. I don't do it often as it scares me as much as it scares them with how accurate I can be. How do I do it? I don't know I just look at the pictures and it tells me a story.
Some people claim that spirits of past friends and relatives of the subject are giving you the messages. Others think that you are just somehow picking up on the subjects thoughts. Its all quite odd.
If there is life after death then maybe some of us can receive messages. Its a bit like dogs hearing dog whistles that humans can't hear. So why can't these messages be the same sort of thing. Also maybe we can only see a small spectrum of what can really be seen too. We don't have the scientific knowledge to back any of it up though.
If believing in either makes someone happy then I'm not going to try and change their mind. I like to think that if I always remember someone who has passed away and keep that memory in my heart then they are never really dead. | |
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| Is there life after death Posted: 5/22/2008 5:00:02 PM | I know an incredible psychic medium. I have seen him work in lots of places with people he has never met. I have spoken to the people afterwards who cannot understand how he knows so many very intimate details about them. How does he do it? I don't know. But he is always right.
I wouldn't be impressed by a psychic medium telling me a lot of stuff about myself that I know already. The ability to relate these facts wouldn't instantly prompt me to conclude that the medium was receiving his info from stiffs. There could be other explanations like mind reading ability or some kind of intuition. At any rate I'd be more interested in hearing details about life on "The other side."
Do the "passed over" folk still drink cups of tea and watch reality telly? Do they have bowel movements, cut their toenails and pick their noses?
You don't hear this stuff from mediums, any more than they bother to tell you what the point of an afterlife is in the first place. I can understand the obvious wish fulfilment factor for the alive folks of hearing from deceased relatives, as if they had just popped off on holiday and were sending back cheery postcards, but apart from that I don't get it. Why bother to die at all if you're not going to avoid spiritualist mediums, shut the f*** up and stay dead? | |
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| Is there life after death Posted: 5/22/2008 5:09:35 PM |
I know an incredible psychic medium. I have seen him work in lots of places with people he has never met. I have spoken to the people afterwards who cannot understand how he knows so many very intimate details about them. How does he do it? I don't know. But he is always right.
I wouldn't be impressed by a psychic medium telling me a lot of stuff about myself that I know already. The ability to relate these facts wouldn't instantly prompt me to conclude that the medium was receiving his info from stiffs. There could be other explanations like mind reading ability or some kind of intuition. At any rate I'd be more interested in hearing details about life on "The other side."
Do the "passed over" folk still drink cups of tea and watch reality telly? Do they have bowel movements, cut their toenails and pick their noses?
You don't hear this stuff from mediums, any more than they bother to tell you what the point of an afterlife is in the first place. I can understand the obvious wish fulfilment factor for the alive folks of hearing from deceased relatives, as if they had just popped off on holiday and were sending back cheery postcards, but apart from that I don't get it. Why bother to die at all if you're not going to avoid spiritualist mediums, shut the f*** up and stay dead?
All very good points and well made. Like I said I have no idea how this medium does it, neither does he to be honest.
As you rightly say the messages are always from them to you about what you are doing. Never about what life is like over there. No-one ever comes through to ask you for some advice.
Who knows maybe they give these messages from government controlled message pods where it is all monitored so no-one can let on about how high the price of petrol is in the after life? | |
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| Is there life after death Posted: 5/23/2008 3:25:46 AM | Comment msg41 Is there life before death?
Well yeah of course there is.But life can only come from life as we know it.Many attemps have been made to create life from no life but all have failed.That does not mean its not possible as I am sure some one will descover a way some time in the future.
When I say create life I dont mean things like robots,I am refering to a concious living creature that thinks for its self and has feelings etc
Where we dead before we where born or concieved or even before that? | |
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| Is there life after death Posted: 5/23/2008 4:04:00 AM | MSG 47
And why is that? lol, are you implying that your scientific stance on this somehow phases other people?
No but the biology of it does. When you consider, that even the personality and soul you mention are just information rattling around in our brain. then it does bake the noodle. it did mine for a long while.
If anything i think it is interesting to throw another point of view into the spectrum of discussion, you have a scientific outlook as do others, i dont and others dont as well.
I also have a spiritual outlook, which I haven't thrown in here yet because I have chosen not too. The scientific stance is based on fact, my spirital one isn't.
I argue that you may think we are only electrical impulses, i think it is down to personality and soul.
It's not really what I think, its just biological fact. The information in our brain is processed by electrical impulses. How we think, feel, act and what we believe is also based in our brain. So given that, what we percieve as life really is just down to what goes on in our mind. What does stop it, is death. | |
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| Is there life after death Posted: 5/23/2008 4:36:27 AM |
It's not really what I think, its just biological fact. The information in our brain is processed by electrical impulses. How we think, feel, act and what we believe is also based in our brain. So given that, what we percieve as life really is just down to what goes on in our mind. What does stop it, is death. How dead do you have to be before you are really dead ?
I ask because it's known that people who recieved organs such as hearts and livers etc. from dead people. often take on aspects of the personality of the donor. I remember hearing about a man who'd been given the heart of a person who was a competitive runner, and as soon as he was fit enough he got an inexplicable urge to run. So because that heart was kept alive in a different body doesn't mean that the person who's heart it was..was actually dead at all or completely dead because his spirit was still beating away. | |
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| Is there life after death Posted: 5/23/2008 4:39:24 AM | How dead do you have to be before you are really dead ?
That's a very hard thing to quantify. There are a lot of people on here who are completely dead from the neck up. But, they seem to survive quite well somehow. | |
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| Is there life after death Posted: 5/23/2008 4:41:04 AM | ^^^^^ Aren't they just the ones you date Restless??? :o)
I ask because it's known that people who recieved organs such as hearts and livers etc. from dead people. often take on aspects of the personality of the donor. I remember hearing about a man who'd been given the heart of a person who was a competitive runner, and as soon as he was fit enough he got an inexplicable urge to run. So because that heart was kept alive in a different body doesn't mean that the person who's heart it was..was actually dead at all or completely dead because his spirit was still beating away.
I have heard similar stories. But they are not based on anything tangible. To recieve a an organ, you must be considered clinically brain dead, thats the part of the body we consider to be where the person is defined by themselves. i.e the spirit, personality, character straits are held within the brain. That is where our feelings and actions happen. The heart performs no such function, there is no electrical activity in the heart that is linked to the brain ( excluding physiological ones)
vvvvvvv LMAO!! I meant to harvest an organ!! Too much wine last night has befuddled me..
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| Is there life after death Posted: 5/23/2008 4:51:21 AM |
To recieve a an organ, you must be considered clinically brain dead
Could I just ask, where would be the point of transplanting an organ into someone who has been declared brain dead?
No wonder the NHS is strapped for cash if it's performing heart operations on dead people! | |
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| Is there life after death Posted: 5/23/2008 5:19:17 AM | Msg 61
I read in a scientific journal that the human body contains two brains, the second less developed one just so happens to be in our stomachs and this is where we get our gut instincts from and feel various emotions.
Will surgeons of the future need to ensure that brain is also dead before harvesting the supposedly brain-dead body ? | |
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| Is there life after death Posted: 5/23/2008 5:24:20 AM |
I read in a scientific journal that the human body contains two brains, the second less developed one just so happens to be in our stomachs and this is where we get our gut instincts from and feel various emotions.
Im intrigued... I'd like to read said article.
The reason we feel things is a physicological response to messages given out by the brain. | |
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| Is there life after death Posted: 5/23/2008 5:31:38 AM | There you go...
Ananova: Scientists discover 'second brain' in the stomach
Scientists are claiming to have discovered a second brain - in the human stomach.
The breakthrough, involving experts in the US and Germany, is believed to play a major part in the way people behave.
This 'second brain' is made up of a knot of brain nerves in the digestive tract. It is thought to involve around 100 billion nerve cells - more than held in the spinal cord.
Researchers believe this belly brain may save information on physical reactions to mental processes and give out signals to influence later decisions. It may also be responsible in the creation of reactions such as joy or sadness.
The research is outlined in the latest issue of German science magazine, Geo, in which Professor Wolfgang Prinz, of the Max Planck Institute for Psychological Research in Munich, says the discovery could give a new twist on the old phrase "gut reaction".
He said: "People often follow their gut reactions without even knowing why, its only later that they come up with the logical reason for acting the way they did. But we now believe that there is a lot more to gut feelings than was previously believed."
Professor Prinz thinks the stomach network may be the source for unconscious decisions which the main brain later claims as conscious decisions of its own.
The second brain was rediscovered by Michael Gershorn, of the University of Colombia in New York, after it was forgotten by science. He says it was first documented by a 19th century German neurologist, Leopold Auerbach.
He discovered two layers of nerve cells near a piece of intestine he was dissecting. After putting them under the microscope he found they were part of a complex network.
Recent research has already raised the idea that many reactions may be made in the stomach. Benjamin Libet, of the University of California found the brains of volunteers asked to raise their arms only registered activity about half a second after the movement had been made. He believes his work implies another part of the body may have been involved in making the decision. I'm sure there's heaps more information on it out there with diagrams and all....Google is your friend. | |
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| Is there life after death Posted: 5/23/2008 5:40:04 AM | Oh My God............. you mean to say there isn't a big white light that I'm going to be asked to walk into when 'my time' comes ........ how could you all be so cruel to tell me this way have you no hearts........i'm gutted
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| Is there life after death Posted: 5/23/2008 6:00:32 AM | MSG 65
Ahhh I seeeee!! The enteric nervous system. I know what you are refering too now.. I have heard it called the 2nd brain, but the claims made round it being a 2nd brain are still controversial, and not mainstream at the moment. Its an amazing piece of the nervous system, but whether its capable of actual thought process, as we understand them remains to be seen. It seems to be more comparable to the limbic system than higher cognitive processes.
However, i really am digressing and goiNG way wAY off topic now!!!! | |
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cargy
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| Is there life after death Posted: 5/23/2008 6:25:42 AM | I think it's been known for years that men, at least, have two brains, the second of which is situated much lower down!
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| Is there life after death Posted: 5/23/2008 6:28:05 AM |
I think it's been known for years that men, at least, have two brains, the second of which is situated much lower down!
Dependant on his age much lower than he would like!.So it isnt just a myth then | |
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| Is there life after death Posted: 5/23/2008 6:29:53 AM |
Dependant on his age much lower than he would like!.So it isnt just a myth then
Nope. Cargy is getting on a bit so I think his must be dragging on the ground..at least thats what he tells the ladies!!  | |
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| Is there life after death Posted: 5/23/2008 6:31:44 AM | Msg 67, yes well I am just thrilled I was able to enlighten you a little anyway...
I still don't think a person is completely dead if a part of them lives on in another body just because their own brain is dead....
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vvvvv Cleopatra's spirit ate it ? | |
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cargy
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| Is there life after death Posted: 5/23/2008 6:36:05 AM | Hmmm... extending my theory that a man's second brain is below the waist, and tying this in with the concept of life after death, perhaps we have an explanation of what happened to Tutankhamen's missing appendage!
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| Is there life after death Posted: 5/23/2008 11:30:01 AM | | At the sub-atomic level particles have a habit of disappearing and reappearing at random. Where they go no one knows, but there is a very small probability that the whole body can in fact disappear. Just ask Lord Lucan, if you can find him. Whether we in fact exist in two places at once is debatable and if one dies the other remains - some where else, who knows. I'm in two minds about it. I've no idea where the other mind is though. | |
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| Is there life after death Posted: 5/23/2008 12:00:18 PM | Think of it like this If there is Life after and we live it as such, treating others like we wish to be treated and all that kind of thing like most religians teach and We find out there is a life after then we have done the right thing. If there is No life after we would have lost nothing.
Now If we belive there is no life after and do what ever we want not thinking of a life after and we then find out there is one, How would we feel? The first way you would have had a good life and not lost out what ever the outcome, the second way would only be ok if there is no life after and if there is Life after who know what that would mean............ | |
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| Is there life after death Posted: 5/23/2008 4:16:18 PM | Yeah i think some of the comments on msg 7 where quite intresting earlier on in the thread as are the comments on msg14
Prehaps we reach that stage of metamorhose then.That comment made me think of a dragonfly for instance.It spends its first three years or so as a nymph under water then it climbs up some reeds and leaves an empty dead body behind when it metamorphoses.Now say if that dragonfly was invisible it would give the impresion that the nymph had just died when clearly it hasnt.
Now I am almost 70-30 as to wether there is life after death where as before I was 50-50
Hmmm prehaps then death is a misconception.We just go on to become some thing else and we never actually die.INTRESTING! | |
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