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| Is Bush finally being tried for destroying America ?
Posted: 5/22/2008 12:25:05 PM | he is in fact a scholar.but its a fact,now that he is old,i suppose you my have a point.by the way,i was told elvis,hendricks,and earnhardt passed you on the highway the other day,did you wave? | |
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| Is Bush finally being tried for destroying America ?
Posted: 5/22/2008 12:29:54 PM |
those tower dropped from the top down,not the other was around as any engineer would tell you
Well not every engineer apparently 
http://www.ae911truth.org/
for fairness, this is a site purporting to debunk the above site, however it is still in development...it does have a plethora of links to other sites...YMMV
http://www.ae911truth.info/
Rather than just flaming the OP or posters, one could say, I dunno, assemble a cogent argument in rebuttal...what a novel idea. | |
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NERO1
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Joined: 3/8/2008
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| Is Bush finally being tried for destroying America ?
Posted: 5/22/2008 12:52:25 PM | Personally I tend to feel that what happened on 9/11 should be taken pretty much at face value (with a few exceptions perhaps, such as the potential Saudi money trail to the hijackers that the administration supposedly covered up by permanently redacting 29 pgs of the 9/11 Commission Report -- for "national security reasons").
I think the poster gotapulse made a lot of good points on a previous page here.......basically I would *possibly* buy the idea that Bush and /or Cheney and/or some other higher-ups had gotten wind of something about to happen just a bit beforehand, didn't think it was going to be half as bad as it actually turned out to be, and basically let it slide or didn't act on it. Again, even if that's the case, I'd highly doubt they knew exactly what it was or what the scale of it would end up being. Maybe it was just word of some "detailed chatter" or something, who knows. Even the whole "they knew and let it happen" thing is going way out on a limb, in reality, IMO.
As for the other more elaborate conspiracy theories I've read (while I'm totally anti-Bush personally) I just don't buy into all of it. Imagine the amount of planning and the scale of complicity that would go into something like that. Think of the kind of conspiracy it requires amongst a group of plotters planning to kill (and get away with killing) even one or two people. Hijacking four commercial airliners using foreign radicals as your muscle, destroying two skyscrapers, taking out a side of the Pentagon , and walking away clean with a c_cky smile on your face afterwards? I think the theorists of conspiracies are giving Bush and his close comrades a bit too much credit really.
I don't think they could have been literally behind this thing if they'd wanted to be. Or at least they wouldn't have gotten away with it that's for sure. I tend to stick to sort of like an Occam's razor (or I guess Occam's boxcutter might be more appropriate) approach. Why make it all so much more complicated and even more unbelievable than it already is? | |
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| Is Bush finally being tried for destroying America ?
Posted: 5/22/2008 1:05:25 PM | | and another thing,al quida bombed it the first time,ADMITTED IT,they destroyed them the second time,ADMITTED IT.and have continued this declared intifada against us,despite the denials from the conspiracy theorists.what do these people need,osama went on worldwide tv and declared victory and stated more attacks are planned?one other thing,several agencies,foreign and domestic did inform bushes admin an attack was in the works.even offered to help.perhaps arrogant,little national pride,they figured they could handle it.as for the school when the first plane hit,nobady,including bush or his staff knew for sure what had happened.when i heard the news in my car,i just though a plane crashed in a building,and same with every other person in the country,including bush and his staff and all the conspiracy nuts,is bush and his staff supposed to be more or less psychic?not until the second hit did he leave,being pretty sure something was wrong.these conspiracy people are easily manipulated by scewed facts and data that will sell lunatics the books they read and,BUY.as i stated before,come home,we need you here! | |
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| Is Bush finally being tried for destroying America ?
Posted: 5/22/2008 1:22:27 PM | I don't see dead people.
Jimmy Carter's degree is in Nuclear physics,not Economics or public administration or in reading people.I would trust him to repair my nuclear reactor,but I would not trust him to determine if a hostile government was going to use their reactor to create nuclear weapons or if they might be interested in purchasing weapons grade fissionable materials.
Our op would have us believe that GWB and****Cheney and assorted conspirators launched the attacks from Area 51 with a UFO they borrowed from the USAF.
Most creditable engineers have discounted the Implosion theories.
Stop spouting ridiculous claims and go back to being a productive member of the sane society most of us live-in.
He's on another thread calling all US service members murderers. | |
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| Is Bush finally being tried for destroying America ?
Posted: 5/22/2008 1:38:33 PM | Stanley G. Hilton has filed a class action lawsuit in Federal court in Northern California against against high officials in the current Bush administration (including the federal government, Bush, Cheney, Rice, Mueller, Tenet, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft), for complicity in aiding and abetting and facilitating the Sep. 11, 2001 attacks.
Well, as to a direct involvement in the attacks - I've spoken out before as how I do not believe that for a second. I've spent a lot of time researching it, and trust me - if anyone would like to pin this on them, it's me.
As to indirect complicity ? The "let it happen" scenario. I don't think that can be ruled out totally, with the evidence at hand today. The single greatest proof of that fact is that Bush and Cheney refused to testify under oath at the 9/11 hearings, and also refused to testify independently.
Doing that in a setting examining the worst single attack in American history was unacceptable, in my opinion. Even under oath, they could quite easily have refused to answer any questions that risked national security issues.
I can't prove this, and it's only conjecture on my part, so take it as submitted. I do believe that this administration may have looked the other way for two reasons. First of all, it was not focused on any real security issues against terrorism - pre-9/11
Condi Rice was going to give a speech on that day warning of the greatest threat to America - foreign nuclear missiles.
At that point in the Bush presidency, the neo cons were becalmed. They were accomplishing little, and had become a joke. They were working on Iraq, and invading it, since the first NSC meetings.
They had been warned against hijackings, and (this is the conjecture part) I do believe they saw that as a minimal threat - and possibly something that could trigger support. I think they believed, as most of us did pre-9/11 that no one would possibly pull a suicide attack with commercial airliners.
There was a cultural filter at work, which blinded us to that possibility. In the highest level of security, there had already been an attack against the Eiffel Tower - foiled by French security officers.
So perhaps, just perhaps, they hoped for some hijackings and a chance to get the break they needed. Perhaps a few people killed, thrown on the tarmac, before the SEAL teams took down the hijackers.
Nothing really that major, a repeat of the same ol' same ol'.
That's the most I can see them blamed for, after my research.
As to the validity of the court case, I tend to think it wont accomplish much, no matter what it's merits. Unless one can prove that complicity to let it occur - it's a weak case. | |
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NERO1
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Joined: 3/8/2008
Msg: 60 | |
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| Is Bush finally being tried for destroying America ?
Posted: 5/22/2008 1:58:26 PM | in addition, #58...
the 9/11 Commission was a complete and utter sham. Bush and Dark Lord's refusal to testify alone and on the record is the most profound. Why was it necessary for Cheney to be there at the same time? To get their story straight?
Also, and equally troubling, the director of the Commission was a WH PRE-EMPTION POLICY PAPER WRITER!!! Hello? This is a man who constantly was trying to inject an Iraq tie into the investigation. Daily!!!! This is a man who refused to allow subpeonas from the start in the investigation. Subpeonas are standard fare in Washington investigations. At the very least, the FAA and NORAD needed to be under oath, period. Instead, they weren't, and there were never asked any serious questions. The public in attendance screamed from afar, but were escorted out. The Commission was effectively white-washed.
But no... Nothing to see here. Anyone who doesn't buy the empire' summation merely "needs to get their head examined." The irony there is utterly priceless. | |
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| Is Bush finally being tried for destroying America ?
Posted: 5/22/2008 2:07:52 PM | Had there been direct complicit involvement in the attacks, then I do believe that WMD's would have been found in Iraq - even if it took a black op C-130 from the "No Such Agency" landing in the night somewhere in Iraq.
In the fog of war, and with the same resources that seem to be attributed to these "Dr.Evils" that would have been a no brainer. Most involved could have been isolated from the truth, and simply delivering critical supplies to a "SEAL team" deep in enemy territory in the blackness of the Iraqi desert.
A few dead Iraqis (not that hard to accomplish, honestly) , a convoy of a few Iraqi trucks (also easy to get) , and a well stocked WMD inventory ?
Child's play.
Add to that a plan discovered, or revealed by a willing Iraqi, that detailed a WMD attack on Chicago planned in two months, that could be traced back to the same convoy ? Documents, and videos of the training sessions ?
A solid Iraqi connection to 9/11, just to make it even better ?
Piece of cake.
The only problem was that it never happened.
That it didn't , that weakened the supposition of the invasion, and American credibility behind it.
That's my best argument against the "direct" theory. | |
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| Is Bush finally being tried for destroying America ?
Posted: 5/22/2008 2:16:40 PM | | Unless the International Criminal Court is established (which i'm totally against) Bush wouldn't be tried for even spitting on the sidewalk. The bottom line is this is another America-hating world citizen trying to shove his NWO values against folk that would have NONE of it. I'm no too thrilled about Bush myself, despite the fact I voted for his soft ass 4 years ago to keep another scumbag out of office, but it seems this is more about these socialists shoving their collectivist agenda down America's throat. I mean come on, suing voters who voted for Bush? That's a violation of free speech, a right leftists love so much unless it protect anyone else not like them. | |
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| Is Bush finally being tried for destroying America ?
Posted: 5/22/2008 2:17:55 PM | | A name conspicuously missing from the list is White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card, advertising and marketing mogul extraordinaire, who packaged and marketed the idea as his coup de grace, hauling ass at precisely the time Congress was warming up the subpoena pens. Card is yet another in an incessantly long list of privileged, wealthy scum. | |
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| Is Bush finally being tried for destroying America ?
Posted: 5/22/2008 2:37:57 PM | | iraq leaked out they had wmd's for one reason,to keep their long standing foe,iran from invading them after we defeated iraq in the gulf war.iraq repeatedly violated terms of the cease fire,locking on to ALLIED aircraft,flying over no fly zones,you know,over the kurds we were protecting against another gas attack by their own dictator,no less!those acts alone were reason enough to invade,but we should we have left it like it was?history will tell.instead,bushes people took advantage of our fears after 911,used the false information iraq spread to iran,and invaded.they lied to us,knew the information was biased,when we should have been in afghan and returned home after that route.i feel,despite press reports to the negative,iraq is better off,little comfort,but they are.even after germany was occupied,our people had to deal with some of the same things,so in effect,history is repeated.look at germany now,and europe for that matter.what a success.america has its problems,bad leaders from time to time,but we adapt.and we grow,and will continue to grow.we are at war,it was declared against us,and to the fear of the rest of the world,we will fight back,and while we are fighting,and all the rest are crying,al quada is tied up fighting back.all you clowns out there that are afraid,i can tell you this.there is nothing wrong with being scared,i felt it many times in the service.when we sit back and do nothing,we are percieved as weak,we fight back,bullies.one thing is for sure,we bailed the world out more than once,at great loss of good american lifes and resources.you are welcome for the freedoms,like speech you now enjoy! | |
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| Is Bush finally being tried for destroying America ?
Posted: 5/22/2008 2:47:55 PM | ^^^^ That is one tired, old canard that carpetbaggers think they can pull on us po' unfortunate dummies. Never again, God give us the strength to resist people who "want to protect us." They almost always turn out to be sociopathic soft-fascists in Brooks Brothers suits and with massive futures holdings.
I spent 20 years as a Navy officer (Commander rank), served in the Persian Gulf, off the coast of Lebanon (the ship I was on at the time took missile fire, narrowly missed, but no one was allowed to report it), supported SEALs in Desert Storm/Desert Shield. I was gunnery and missile officer, main propulsion assistant, and executive officer and commanding officer at a shore facility.
I have put in my time and feel proud of my service and prouder that I can see through the bullshit and smoke-and-mirrors. | |
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| Is Bush finally being tried for destroying America ?
Posted: 5/22/2008 2:55:43 PM | so you know fear?perhaps you can get through to these conspiracy theorists.man i hope i spelled that correctly.isn't our military's main objective to protect us?i am lost,trying to understand your blog.cmon,spit it out,sir. | |
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| Is Bush finally being tried for destroying America ?
Posted: 5/22/2008 3:03:35 PM | I don't believe in conspiracies, my friend...but I do recognize crime and coverup when I see it. I have also audited so GD many commands and departments in my military and civilian career, it's freaky when HONESTY happens! Unfortunately, the honest--like the most senior acquisition manager in the government--gets tossed to the wolves, whistleblower bullshit or not.
I don't like conspiracy theory. I like the thought that we've grown a crop of unscrupulous opportunists motivated PURELY by greed, power and influence, and who think laws only apply to the scum we call citizens. I've seen it in the military and government. It's a cumulative effect of hundreds of thousands of people doing the wrong thing to save their asses...no one dares to tell the truth in this piss-ass economy. They'll be a statistic that Obama or Hillary will pretend to give a shit about.
We are the way we are because the American concepts and values of "courage" and "leadership" and "doing right" are concepts smirked and mocked by sociopaths elected by The People. But when you've only got sociopaths and narcissistic personality disorder types, well, you get shit. Our Executive, Legislative, and Judicial Branches of government are STUFFED TO THE BRIM with walking shitholes in expensive clothes...bought and sold by the walking shitholes in expensive clothes running our corporations into their graves. | |
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| Is Bush finally being tried for destroying America ?
Posted: 5/22/2008 3:09:36 PM | | YOUR JUST A DAM IDOT. LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING HOW IS IT THAT WHEN THE GOP WAS IN CONTROL OF THE HOUSE AND SENATE THAT GAS ONLY WENT UP 38 A BARREL AND SINCE DEMOCRATS ARE POWER IT HAS GONE UP 75 CENTS A GALLON | |
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| Is Bush finally being tried for destroying America ?
Posted: 5/22/2008 3:14:00 PM |
That it didn't , that weakened the supposition of the invasion, and American credibility behind it.
But we are talking about people who arrogantly manipulated congress, the press and the general public to invade a country, in defiance of the UN.
This same arrogancy is probably why they never went to the trouble to prove any points and by the time they realised there were any problems with their story it was too late.
Or maybe they just didn't care that their story didn't hold any water. | |
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| Is Bush finally being tried for destroying America ?
Posted: 5/22/2008 3:16:51 PM | eric2008
you are totally wrong about Carter not being able to read people. He is the one who negotiated peace between Isreal and Egypt . . . and the then leader of Egypt had lost a son in the war against Isreal.
You obviously only read publications that support your prejudices. | |
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| Is Bush finally being tried for destroying America ?
Posted: 5/22/2008 3:19:32 PM | you people really make me so mad it funny. If gore had become president we would be in worst shape than we are now.How can one lose the presidency when the economy is booming and we are not at war. We would have paid the terriost money and probably would have been attacked over here. It is your right to complain about the problems and it your right. If you don't like it leave.
If you think it is bad know let the democrats come into power and then you will see how bad it is. | |
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