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| Sex, Brains, Endorphins and Condoms
Posted: 5/26/2008 6:18:23 AM |
However as you quite rightly said Dr we all learnt the consequences of those actions during our lesions at school and there would be no need for me to conduct a study which would waste millions of tax payer's £ on something we already know I don't recall any lesions in high school, but I did have this awful rash that, while mildly embarrassing, was rectified with a topical cream and some gentle hands. The smell was repugnant though. Dirty girl... | |
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Posted: 5/26/2008 7:02:03 AM |
Those who are BOTH using Birth Control
Those where say only the Male is wearing a condom and the female is not "on the pill"
Then the Female "On the Pill" but the male using no Birth Control
And last but not least those who are not on any Birth Control
Yes, an experimental study using control groups.
What about groups of happy couples and non-happy couples? You missed those...
If you are a "man of science", I would have at least thought you would know to use "hypothesis" when you are referring to a singular hypothesis.
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Posted: 5/26/2008 7:45:15 AM | I didn't read any of the original studies...but based on the "finding", here's how I"d test it. Let's start w/the OP, so I can remember exactly what finding to test:
<div class="quote">women who have sex "WITHOUT" condoms and permit their partners to ejaculate inside of them experience an increase in endorphins,
Nothing about presence of absence of sperm. NOthing about being happy. NOthing about being "on the pill". Hmmm nothing even about which hole the semen went into...but let's assume just the V hole for now, ok? LOL
Variable one: Condom use YES/NO
Variable 2: where they ejaculate INSIDE/OUTSIDE
Variable 3, because if we find what we hope to, well, we'll want to know if it's the sperm or the prostaglandins: Sperm or not in ejaculate (and heck, for fun, we'll also analyze a couple of sperm samples on each guy to get a count and make this also a continuous measure) SPERM/NONE (discrete) and SPERM COUNT (continuous)
So this is essentially a 2 by 2 by 2 study, with 8 cells. 8 groups of men and women.
All men w/a measureable sperm count, with:
1. condom YES , with a hole in the end so semen also goes INSIDE
2. condom YES, ejac in condom, aka OUTSIDE
3. condom NO, ejac INSIDE
4. condom NO, ejac outside
and then All men w/out a measureable sperm count, same groups again.
TOtal of 8 groups.
Then before the sex, the men and women answer surveys about happiness, satisfaction, etc. Plus somehow endorphins are measured (blood sample??)
The women are "blind" to the condition they are in as much as possible..they don't know if there' s a condom there unless they can feel the difference on their own...and they don't know ahead of time where he'll ejaculate. And in fact if it's not inside them, if it's the NO condom, Ejac Outside condition, let's somehow do it discretely like into a small towel so they don't even really realize it...(as opposed to the YUCK all over her belly situation).
After the sex the men and women answer the same surveys and endorphins are measured again.
Let's say we also include a control sample of men and women who also do the surveys and the blood samples, but NO sex at all...and do teh before and after, say, about an hr apart? I don't know exactly when this increase in endorphins was supposed to take place.
And somehow we'll have to control for differences in the guys and gals, um, performance, in bed... One way to do it would make it repeated measures. So the same couple would come in 4 times and do it 4 different ways (can't do it 8 ways unless he gets a vasectomy in between, lol).
Hmmm...Ok, now see I am thinking this could be done fairly ethically, if we avoided making the guys get vasectomies.
Sooo...scientists who are on this thread...what'd I forget?
THis is what I do for a living, btw. "human factors", aka social psychology, research. BUt not sex research. LOL Although my senior honors thesis *was* on jealousy and physiological reactions to it.... You laugh...but you know, it *could* be done. You'd be surprised at what all gets done in the name of research!
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| Sex, Brains, Endorphins and Condoms
Posted: 5/26/2008 7:51:47 AM | ^^^^ That is so awesome, Kayliecat.
Can we up the sizes of each group for purposes of validity?
And what about a control group of women who are artificially inseminated with sperm to control for any emotional response?
That was seriously awesome. I want to go do this study.
VVVV *is falling more and more in awe of Kayliecat every minute* Seriously...this is awesome, you know your stuff, that's for sure.
LOL...so 8 cells, 10 or 20 couples per cell? Wonder how fast we could find this many participants...I'm guessing pretty fast. LOL. | |
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Posted: 5/26/2008 7:56:46 AM | Well, there wouldn't be one couple in each cell...Those are just the number of cells.
I'd honestly have to do some power analyses to figure out how many participants would be needed...I can't remember offhand how to figure it out. But the more power you have, the smaller the N needed to find a difference if one exists.
What, maybe 10 couples per cell? 20? LOL ANd if it's repeated measures (i.e. same couples do 4 conditions) then that reduces the variability and hence you can have a smaller N.
Kaylie | |
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Posted: 5/26/2008 9:24:24 AM | | FFS SIGN ME UP! Can I sign up in multiple cells? Just make sure Pusssywillow and I are in opposing clans... me thinks our seeds are of the same sort and you wouldn't want any inbreeding. | |
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Posted: 5/26/2008 9:52:24 AM | | hmmm, and how are you going to keep us straight in terms of what situations we have completed and what we have not . Colored wristbands, perhaps? You can get them in bulk from this catalog I have.... | |
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Posted: 5/26/2008 12:17:59 PM | As we build these control groups, are the participants going to at least know who they are having sex with, or will a woman be placed in a room without windows or lighting, and then a guy randomly assigned to each room?
Will these be purely monogamous? The above option would suggest not.
Who says it has to land on the belly for outside ejaculation? It could land on the breast, buttocks, face, ear lobe....
If women accidentally become impregnated will the study adopt the children or somehow assist with financial necessities until the embryo reaches adulthood?
Can I be the lead stud in the study? Please!!!!! | |
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Posted: 5/26/2008 12:21:52 PM | let me rephrase the question into lamens terms without the bogus studies...
"can i cum in you?"
there. that settles that.
No. you can't . because unless you're willin to snip it.. i'm not about to have a baby.
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| Sex, Brains, Endorphins and Condoms
Posted: 5/26/2008 1:24:52 PM |
If you are a "man of science", I would have at least thought you would know to use "hypothesis" when you are referring to a singular hypothesis.
"Dr. Silver Calla"
Ahh well spotted Dr Silver Calla, I guess that is what makes you the Dr and me the humble lab assistant.
Well crikey Kayliecat I am most impressed you have piratically wrote up the good basis for the practical aspect for a dissertation or a thesis, with the exception of the word "YUCK" I am sure you will get very high praise and credibility in the world of well learned biological scientists for your analytical and methodological approach.
Bravo
Danger Zone
Did you say breast? 
(sic)I wonder whether the opening poster is proud at what their topic has become.
John
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Posted: 5/26/2008 3:01:53 PM | ^^If you actually knew the OP then you would know that individual is happy in whatever form all fora posts evolve into. For they exist for the purpose of discussion and evolution. A topic is it's living breathing being when brought into a public discussion/debate.
What I truly enjoy is when a poster has been discredited within a thread and they lack the abilities to see a statement for what it truly is... (HINT)!!!
So to answer the question... Yes, I am thrilled with the evolution of this topic... Especially since a less than honorable individual attempted to plagarize me on a different website with the OP of this thread... Guess he learned not all items on the web are public material for use whereever they desire... Didn't he J47... | |
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Posted: 5/26/2008 9:49:10 PM | Ahh well spotted Dr Silver Calla, I guess that is what makes you the Dr and me the humble lab assistant.
No, no "Dr. Silver Calla" here, nor am I purporting myself to be any sort of expert in any way here, but what I say does come from my existing knowledge and was formed with my own thoughts...can you say the same, J47?
let me rephrase the question into lamens terms without the bogus studies...
So many studies could be argued to be "bogus". Look at the studies that are funded by drug companies, they can easily be skewed. Do not get me wrong, I'm not advocating any bogus study, and I agree that looking critically at any study is the most important thing to do. With Kayliecat thankfully guiding the direction the thread took by providing some fantastic professional knowledge and direction this morning, discussing this topic on a public forum does not require an abundance of empirical studies. This concept makes sense to some, seems "bogus" to others, but it is an interesting topic, and a plausible one.
FFS SIGN ME UP! Can I sign up in multiple cells? Just make sure Pusssywillow and I are in opposing clans... me thinks our seeds are of the same sort and you wouldn't want any inbreeding.
I second that one, keep Deucemanwhore and I in opposing clans, me also thinks our seeds are of the same sort and you definitely do not want them crossed. | |
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| Sex, Brains, Endorphins and Condoms
Posted: 5/27/2008 6:58:50 AM | Funny to me so much mention of getting pregnant w/no condom. Don't all you ladies have your own birth control going? Pill, patch, diaphragm, something??
I'm truly curious. I have had sex once in my life w/out being on the pill or a patch (except when married and trying to procreate). I just can't imagine relying on a condom. I think that would freak me out. Of course, I'm about as far from a risk taker as you can find. LOL
Condoms are good for disease prevention (not 100% but all we've got)...but pregnancy lasts forever too and I want closer to 100% for that one!
I did think of a big confound w/my study. *sigh* Truly needs tweaking. The "performance" or quality of the sex of course is going to affect how the chick feels, right? W/her not knowing the condition she's in (condom or not, where to ejac), it makes her somewhat "blind", which is a good thing. BUT...there's just no way for the guy to not know if there's a condom there or not. And, well, I think we could pretty much agree that guys cum quicker w/out a condom, take longer with. Even if the time is the same from beginning to end, I'd worry it would affect "what" he's doing.
If guys perform differently w/no condom, how do you test if it's the condom or the guy that is making the difference for the woman? I mean, think about it. This is silly, but maybe having a bare penis there does something to the walls of her V, like the friction is different. So just the presence of the condom itself affects the endorphins, even if the guy is doing the same exact thing. OR it could be that it feels exactly the same to her, but he performs differently. OR it feels the same to her conscious self, but her unconscious self still knows there's a difference and thus her endorphins aren't as high.
Hmmmm....
Oh, and TDZ...I said NO cumming on her belly. Not in this study. he has to cum in a towel or something. Because if it touches her at all, that's different than cumming in a condom. besides, it's gross to get it all over a belly. Yeah, yeah, some women pretend it's hot. It's not. LOL
Kaylie | |
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Posted: 5/27/2008 7:23:13 AM | Is there any way the study could be done without condoms, or with condoms and...we could bring in the whole vasectomy thing again, using participants who had already had vasectomies? The there is a group with no sperm, and then it would technically be the same in sensation. And have groups that use condoms to control for the results somehow? And great point Kayliecat, thinking that the women in the study would be on the pill or patch, for sure.
Another question comes to my mind though, now you bring that up...how is the sex all going to be equally as good? This could be interesting trying to figure out how to control for the, as Kayliecat brought up, performance and the quality of the sex to all be equally great sex...
Assuming this is going to be a monogamous study, unless of course we're running with coloured wristbands, is there any way to find a measure for the performance and quality of the sex for each couple in the study?
What about...a 5 point Likert scale for each couple with a series of questions to determine the quality of their sex? Although of course, how could the performance measure be done? LOL | |
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Posted: 5/27/2008 9:42:17 AM | All guys differ in stamina of course, so even with a condom you'll find guys who can't last five minutes, just like you'll find those who'll go that long bareback. You should compare apples to apples here for the most part. The study needs to be done over a lengthy period of time likely, with lots of repetition so that you can get an accurate average of what's going on. And each person should go through each variable set so that we can get how each variable affects each person. If you just use people for this, and then a different group for that and so on you are bound to produce jaded results of poor validity.
In terms of using blanks, is it the semen or the prostaglandins that might make women happy? What about the seminal fluid? It could be the flesh to flesh sensation, couples with the emotionaly aspect. Why couldn't we have had these types of studies in my University Psych department?! | |
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Posted: 5/27/2008 12:43:57 PM | when the male pill is more common (apparently 100% effective at stopping sperm, doesn't let them mature or whatever) people may have unprotected (no condom) sex at a much higher rate.
Doesn't surprise me that semen would help boost the mood of the female, biologically it helps us procreate more.
As for using it as an excuse to get more sex? Lol how bout learning to turn your lady on and seduce her more? Work at it and you might be surprised how much she wants to have... | |
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Posted: 5/27/2008 4:06:54 PM | ^^^^ I have a better one, "how bout learning to" read a thread before posting?
The sperm is what is being linked here to the endorphins, not the semen itself. If the male pill was being used, there would be no happy-inducing sperm.
Archades, methinks you are sounding pretty bitter there. I don't think the OP needs to "work at it"...but I do think, from what you posted, you might want to look into working on your own seduction skills... | |
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