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Posted: 5/30/2008 11:54:36 PM | not everyone with a system dances to the music... ppl running off the stock audio dance aswell
in some cases a loud system is a modern assistant to the male mating tool.
in the 80s if u were driving around in a 80's domestic with the glam metal cranked u'd pick up a random flavour.
70's the shaggon waggon
60's smoking dope then having sex was @ its prime to escape
if u look @ the history of the car industry ... its just another area 4 someone that has no life to **** n complain about evolution.
last time i checked ... i've never heard from a accident report "it was my subwoofer that made me loose concentration." The cellphone idea is about mentally interaction ( ur having a conversation while driving .... in this case ur multi tasking n since ur a nurse u should already know it also adds stress to the body). Drivers with the SPL boom, drowns out annoying detractions that impair the drivers reaction n most of them r driving like its a slow sunday drive without the nerd factor (2 hands on the wheel 10 &2 or 3&9 ) . when ur on the phone ur mind can't tell u to do 2 things @ the same time ... ur reaction time is way off .... ur just as impaired as drinking n driving. when u are sick even ur impaired to drive ( common cold, flu are examples) | |
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Posted: 5/31/2008 8:23:16 AM |
According to "glock22shooter"
Actually, no, this would be according to reports published in scientific journals. The evidence is clear -- talking on a cell phone, regardless of whether it's hands free or not -- is as likely to cause an accident as having a BAC of 0.08, w2hich is the legal limit in the US and Canada and above the legal limit in most European countries.
You can follow up with whatever rhetoric you like, but you can't argue with the facts. As soon as more studies are done on the effect of loud music on driving, then we can discuss that. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2008 3:56:46 PM |
According to "glock22shooter" ... NO MORE "TALKING" while driving ... and no more listening to the news either ... that's the radio talking AT you. Also, no more listening to "talking books" either.
Only LOUD BLARING BOOM-BOOM MUSIC is allowed. Also, it's no doubt preferred that the listeners be bouncing around in the car ... hands leaving the steering wheel to point and jab as they jive to their trance as loudly as possible. Actually, no, this would be according to reports published in scientific journals. The evidence is clear -- talking on a cell phone, regardless of whether it's hands free or not -- is as likely to cause an accident as having a BAC of 0.08, w2hich is the legal limit in the US and Canada and above the legal limit in most European countries.
Talking on the cell while driving is only something I do when I'm on the phone with 911 giving them instructions and information about my patients as I drive to the home of the patient where they are. Thankfully it doesn't happen often.
And you all can stand on your heads for all I care but you cannot tell me that those guys dancing in their seats, clapping their hands, giving each other "high fives" and poking and pointing as they do their jiving to their trance are not a hazzard on the road. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2008 4:22:08 PM | Cotter, there is no need to be defensive at all.
No one has said they aren't a hazard to the road. We're just providing factual information that what you said you do is as dangerous as driving drunk.
I'm not aware of any study that has tested the effects of loud music on a driver's ability to control a vehicle. Though I do know listening to music, no matter the volume requires no concious thought, while participating in a phone conversation does for most people.
So while they MAY be a hazard to other drivers, you ARE a hazard to other drivers when you're driving and talking on your cell phone. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2008 4:35:23 PM | This still seems like a case of one situation determining a person's feelings on a group of people, to me.
I have never seen anyone dancing to the point of hazardous driving, before. I don't know where you live Cotter, but it's obviously something in the water there, because i've travelled a fair bit and have not seen anyone get so engulfed in their "bang bang boom trance music" that they would be a hazardous driver.
I have, however, seen people being hazardous to the people around them, due to talking on the phone, while driving. I have also seem women (and men) admiring themselves in the mirror, fixing makeup, fussing with the kids in the back seat, etc. These are all much more hazardous than the kid with the too loud music, if you ask me. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2008 4:44:00 PM |
... you ARE a hazard to other drivers when you're driving and talking on your cell phone. And so I'm just taking the "talking on the cell phone" one step further to my original post ...
According to "glock22shooter" ... NO MORE "TALKING" while driving ... and no more listening to the news either ... that's the radio talking AT you. Also, no more listening to "talking books" either.
And the reason I posted ...
Only LOUD BLARING BOOM-BOOM MUSIC is allowed. Also, it's no doubt preferred that the listeners be bouncing around in the car ... hands leaving the steering wheel to point and jab as they jive to their trance as loudly as possible.
... is because I often see the guys
... dancing in their seats, clapping their hands, giving each other "high fives" and poking and pointing as they do their jiving to their trance ... ... and yes "TALKING" to each other. That too was to take it all a step further.
Whether we are talking to our fellow passengers or listening to some sort of "trance" that has us totally focused on the words and using hand motions to drive home the point of the trance ... it's all a distraction ... RIGHT? 
This still seems like a case of one situation determining a person's feelings on a group of people, to me. "lucretia21" ... If you feel personally attacked by the tones in this thread ... just quit reading it.
I have never seen anyone dancing to the point of hazardous driving, before. I don't know where you live Cotter, but it's obviously something in the water there, because i've travelled a fair bit and have not seen anyone get so engulfed in their "bang bang boom trance music" that they would be a hazardous driver. Well, I'm thrilled to death that in your short yet well-traveled life you have not experienced such things. However, that does not mean that these situations do not exist.
Come visit me here in "Redneckville" and I will show you exactly what I'm talking about.
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Posted: 5/31/2008 5:16:29 PM | [I'm not aware of any study that has tested the effects of loud music on a driver's ability to control a vehicle. Though I do know listening to music, no matter the volume requires no concious thought, while participating in a phone conversation does for most people.]
I couldn't agree more. I drive for 8 hours a day and I have noticed that whether I'm in my car, or my cube van (huge difference in all specifics), when I have the music blaring, I could weave in and out of a 20 car lineup and be at the front of the line by the next red light. However, when I'm on the cell trying to have a conversation, I'll be riding the line when doing something as simple as looking in my blind spot to make sure I won't have a collision on the merge ramp. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2008 5:26:20 PM |
Whether we are talking to our fellow passengers or listening to some sort of "trance" that has us totally focused on the words and using hand motions to drive home the point of the trance ... it's all a distraction ... RIGHT?
Correct, but I've never in my life known of anyone to drive while totally focused on any kind of music, and since you felt the need to talk about experience with lucretia, I guarandamntee ya that I have more driving experience than you.
At 15 I was pulling 18 wheelers for the harvest, at 18 I had my CDL doing instate runs, I've done out of state runs part time since turning 21, and now at 27 I have 1.8 MILLION miles behind me. Not counting what I've done in my car, on an ambulance, or fire apparatus. That's just my logged miles. From the time I was 18, in addition to driving part time, I was a full time firefighter and EMT.
I HAVE seen people sitting at stoplights making little hand movements like you talk about, I've seen people half assed doing it while they were driving, but not totally concentrated on it.
In all my time in Fire and EMS, I NEVER worked a wreck related to loud music. I worked at least one a month due to cell phone usage.
So keep talking, the more you embarass yourself the harder I laugh. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2008 5:29:09 PM | Oh, I forgot to add, 3 years ago this month, I went full time, and have been averaging 2750 miles a week since then. Another year and I get my $10k bonus for a million safe miles with this company. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2008 6:24:04 PM |
... but I've never in my life known of anyone to drive while totally focused on any kind of music ... Well then please let me extend the same invitation to you as was extended to lucretia ... just come on down here to "Redneckville" and I'll be glad to show you exactly what I speak of. I honestly have no reason to exaggerate all this ... it is a daily experience for me.
So keep talking, the more you embarass yourself the harder I laugh. Exactly ... TALKING. I took the driving while "talking" one step further and you apparently didn't catch that.
I'm trying to make a point here ... driving while talking to fellow passengers is just as distracting as the use of cell phones. The part you did not address was that talking to a passenger ... constantly turning your head to look at them ... or turning around to make a point with a passenger in the back seat ... seems to me that would be just as distracting as using a cell phone.
BTW ... I never promoted the idea that driving while talking on the cell phone was "safe". If my cell phone rings ... before I even answer it ... I pull over. It's only when I'm on the line with 911 ... when the life of my patient is in jeopardy ... that I keep driving.
I really don't care how many miles you have driven or where you have driven them. I am speaking from what I see here ... where I do all my driving.
I believe that what I see here WHERE I LIVE AND WORK is a danger to other drivers. Apparently the guys with the BOOMING BLARING car stereo systems do take their jiving to their trances quite seriously.
Honestly ... I do wonder what the Hell area I moved to. Believe me ... if I had known ahead of time about it all ... I would not have moved here.  | |
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Posted: 5/31/2008 6:46:33 PM |
I personally see no difference in having a conversation with one of my passengers and a conversation on a hands free cell phone.
Interesting you should bring that up, since this has been studied, too.
The difference between talking with a passenger and talking on a hands-free device is that the passenger is able to see what you see. In case of a hazardous condition, the passengers (assuming no bratty kids) will instantly stop talking and you'll be able to focus your full attention to avoiding the hazard. A person on a cell phone, not knowing of the hazard, will not stop talking and will continue being a distraction.
Talking on the cell while driving is only something I do when I'm on the phone with 911 giving them instructions and information about my patients as I drive to the home of the patient where they are.
On July 1 in California, where I live, the law will begin to be enforced that bans cell phone use while driving (hands-free devices exempt). The law will not apply to those calling emergency services.
And you all can stand on your heads for all I care but you cannot tell me that those guys dancing in their seats, clapping their hands, giving each other "high fives" and poking and pointing as they do their jiving to their trance are not a hazzard on the road.
I don't recall saying they weren't. I just said it hasn't been studied. Perhaps it's something NHTSA should look into but they only have limited resources.
If you do feel strongly about this, I suggest writing to NHTSA and suggesting it to them. I'm sure they get a lot of their ideas from the lay public, too. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2008 6:48:58 PM |
BTW ... I never promoted the idea that driving while talking on the cell phone was "safe". If my cell phone rings ... before I even answer it ... I pull over. It's only when I'm on the line with 911 ... when the life of my patient is in jeopardy ... that I keep driving.
I commend you for that. I just wish more drivers were as astute as you. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2008 7:17:16 PM | Cotter, if you think Florida is redneckville, You can't be helped. Most southerners don't even consider it part of the south. To many transplants from up north.
And I've spent time in that area. Professionally and personally. My best friend lived in Miami for several years.
On the other hand, I live 15 miles from the nearest city limit sign, about 17 from the closest store, and about 18 from the closest stop sign. It's 3 miles just to pavement, and my closest neighbor is a mile and a half away. Still wanna talk redneckville? | |
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Posted: 5/31/2008 7:43:24 PM | "glock" ... this is going way off topic and since I cannot email you with my personal comments and do not want to be banned for going off topic ... I will only say the following and then I will be done with your comments. Aside from everything, I note that no matter what anyone says in here, you know everything better and have driven more miles and live further out of town than anyone else. I commend you for being infallible and perfect at everything. We should all endeavor to be so good at everything as you are.
Where I live in Florida is truly "Redneckville" and I did not know it at the time. Believe me, if I had known ... I would never have considered buying a home here. The people are rude, extremely inconsiderate and while not all of them are "dumb", unfortunately the ones I have the most contact with generally act like "idiots". All of which I have described here.
I could care less whether or not any of you believe it. I'm working on selling the house and getting the Hell out of here. In the meantime, however, I do have to be subject to their behavior and must find some way to deal with it.
Where you live sounds more to me like the "Boonies" ... no one around for miles. That would be bliss for me.
I am surrounded by "Rednecks" booming their stereos day and night. I do wonder sometimes if they ever work ... or go to bed for that matter. You know, just get off the damn street and crawl in a damn bed somewhere and leave us alone.
As I sit here at my computer, the booming goes on and on outside my house. Even though I have my windows closed and the AC on ... I can hear it and occasionally some of it is so severe that it causes my cups to walk across the counter top.
I encounter the same on an on-going basis in traffic throughout the day as I make my rounds to see my patients. I do not live in a big city ... it's just outside of Tampa. As I have said ... everything I have written here is actual behavior that I observe ... all the time.
For any of you other posters who are not subjected to it ... goody for you. I actually envy you. I'm just sick to death of the inconsiderate behavior. And unfortunately, it is predominantly younger people who are doing it. I was raised to have more respect for those around me.
I do not understand the attitude of people who act like that and will again comment ... I can't imagine what kind of people raised them that they think it's okay to act like that. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2008 7:59:11 PM | Redneck = farmers and other hard workin southern people that work outdoors and consequently get a redneck from the sun and/or red clay dust in the fields, just thought you should know. Some people take it as an insult because they think it's a negative thing, when in reality the title of redneck is one to be earned, then worn with pride.
I doubt you'd like it out here, to many snakes, spiders, and it's plenty loud. There is gunfire all day, and the bugs can drown out a conversation at night sometimes. Sometimes the 'yotes get to rollin so good you can't get a word in edgewise, then the dogs start. Both my own and the strays. The strays are constantly bringing me dead animals including the cats, the cats I need to try to kill all the snakes, mice, rats, possums, 'coons, squirrels, and once, an entire deer. That was a shocker. The cattle from the neighbor are always gettin in and trying to eat my garden, and the horses come over just to hang out with my horses. Oh, and all these animals, they crap, a lot, so it really stinks.
The sky is always smokey from all the bonfires and the dust from the roads.
Please, for your own good, don't move really far out. I just hate it for myself, I can't imagine letting some one else move out to a place like this without at least trying to warn them off. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2008 10:03:20 PM | | laughing-libras got it right.Public roads public space.Although quiet streets , slowly , might make u turn it down.I mean really ,whos it for? | |
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Posted: 6/2/2008 4:21:10 AM | With a car stereo everyone is forced to hear it, for example, at an intersection , even in their own car windows up and their own stereo on some ppl have their system so loud it can be heard as it approaches the lights. There is no need for it, listen to whatever you like, but don’t force others to hear it too
*grabs his bat and beats a dead horse*
While beating this dead horse, I will once again bring up people who talk on their cell phones in public...which I really don't care about, it's a minor annoyance that I may have to put up with for a few mins. of my day, but I'm not going to let it bother me...but since we are on to making redundant points that have already been established and accepted (by most involved)
if its just a few min's of a minor annoyance as you call it, then turn the noise down for those few anoying min's, problem solved.
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Posted: 6/2/2008 6:22:37 AM | Well i have a phatt JBL sound system in my car - pumps out sum serious sound and i absolutely luv it!!!!!
but i wont blast it out down the high street or in neighbouring areas - i dont like the attention in that way - so as long as you respect others then fair play to those who are in2 there systems and cars....
got a few pri*ks comin round my estate at the mo with the systems on loud but they're been dumb asses and speedin round up and down (which i dont appreciate) - just be sensible with it and you'll get more respect!!!! | |
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Posted: 6/2/2008 6:42:13 AM | sounds like you are one of the good ones jaysee,
have what you like, but also respect for others in a built up area, thats good.
besides, a nice lowered commodore is a big enough cop magnet as it is, without giving yrself more trouble :) | |
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Posted: 6/2/2008 9:34:51 AM | | if playing decent sub bass, then might be ok on a decent rig, but never had the urge, like to enjoy the music and not have my ears ringing all the time, deaf by 40 for the youngsters ? | |
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Posted: 6/2/2008 10:04:40 AM | | First time here is a ticket. the second time, they impound your car for a few days. You pay fine and impound fees. There is no excuse to have music up that loud. | |
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Posted: 6/2/2008 10:20:22 AM | theres also no excuse looking like a flamer driving a scooter. but u still get away with it perfectly.... ...
so do ppl with loud systems...
what about ppl littering???? they get away with it but its against the law...
this topic is just something 4 the old n bored to **** n complain about towards the youth ...
yet i haven't seen the youth post a tread about how SLOW u & peers drive.... | |
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Posted: 6/2/2008 10:29:21 AM |  @ little wing. Old complacent drivers kill people. Irritates me when I have to clean it up.
Kids kill people to, but at least it's usually just them. | |
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Posted: 6/2/2008 3:45:57 PM | | I cannot understand turning a car stereo up to such a volume that it drowns out everything. I don't believe the type of music is important. I love music. I'm an ex-professional rock musician. I love music,at times,very loud...but NOT in my car. I love reclining in a chair,or on the floor,listening with eyes closed. You cannot relax this much while driving. In your car,the music should be background music...it should never take away any of your concentration. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 1:02:43 PM | funny thing is no one came up with the fact of:
women putting on their make up behind the wheel...
ppl changing clothes behind the wheel....
ppl receiving a form or oral behind the wheel ...
need me to continue??
stop being so picky | |
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