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Posted: 5/24/2008 9:49:59 PM | Lol, I drive a $26,000 dollar Acura, I have around 1200 in my stereo system.
Hopefully you can do the math.
I think what you are referring to is ghetto, but how many people do you really know with a thirty year old rustbucket and a $3000 stereo?
Now a thirty year old car that has been fully restored, customized, and represents a unique reflection of the owner is awesome; doesn't matter if it has a two tone paint job with 24 spinners, and enough chrome to make me sick - you have to appreciate the work that goes into something like that, even if you don't like it.
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Posted: 5/24/2008 10:09:56 PM | Well, there's nothing wrong with Chrome, then again, I'm in the trucking industry.
You're right though. It takes a lot of skill and talent to create those types of ghetto sleds. | |
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Posted: 5/24/2008 11:38:45 PM | so fred if u bought a brand new vehicle does that mean u can spend in a range of 20,000+ into the stereo?
common give ur head a shake.... | |
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Posted: 5/24/2008 11:53:04 PM |
Morons put more money in thier car sound system than the car is worth.  Morons put more money in their car sound system than they pay for a month's food.
I had a 1990 VW Golf, with no power (not even power steering), over 300K km, and a big dent in the pass side from an accident, retail around ~$500. With a stereo (at it's prime) worth retail of ~$6500 (subs, box, amps, speakers, deck, wiring, and accessories) plus a $300 battery, plus a $300 security system. Altho, I paid no where near this amount, and it was done over a span of time...I suppose, I'm a moron, for putting that much into a hobby and an amazing sounding car stereo into a car which was not only reliable, good on gas, but a blast to drive, and excellent for dB competitions. Same with when I spent $1200 on a mountain bike, to furthur my enjoyment of the sport. And then spent hundreds on repairs and upgrades over the years. I could possibly be considered a moron for that. Or for my 1977 Toyota Celica, nothing special to most...which I intend (when I have the cash flow) to spare no expense or time to repair/restore/upgrade to exactly how I want it. Once again, just a moron.
Assuming people who pour money into hobbies (such as car stereos) are morons, is just another horrible generalization. Grow up, and learn to appreciate (or at least accept) other peoples' hobbies whether you enjoy them or not. I gave you three personal hobbies that I've spent "rediculous" amounts of money on...others have posted other examples. Proving your way of thinking is more ignorant than those who blast their stereos and rattle your windows at stop lights or even just driving past. | |
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Posted: 5/24/2008 11:56:17 PM | It's an ego /image thing, people trying to project themselves as successful, show the foolish airheaded young gold diggers they've got money to burn on them, look at me I'm special, I'm loaded, I'm free, nobody tells me what to do, I'm MTV personafied.
Empty souls striving for identity in a world that strips it from them, very much akin to a retired schmuck in a power suit. The main difference is that youth (most) will grow and mature into some sort of an identity of their own, and leave the attention grabbing in their past.
I've had a trans am before, it was nice and loud, engine over stereo. All I can say is that hitting the road in that beastly machine was the ultimate freedom and often one hell of a rush. Nothing makes you feel more alive than a close brush with death. Fast and furious rice runners of today are a pure joke compared to such a thing, but see above.
Some people have commented they spend all this money on systems to capture every nuance and then play only bass. I find that in error. The money is spent towards boosting a mere few Hertz at the lowest spectrum, where it also carries furthest and has the most physical impact, to absurd levels. Audio in a car is almost by definition low end, piss poor quality. Very few people actually have had the chance to experience quality audio, even if they think they have. The reason they play the duff duff stuff on such a sad setup is simply because, that's the only thing it can play, that's what it's designed to play and it's of no use whatsoever beyond that limitation. Real music on that would be laughable, torturous, it would fall apart completely. Your average stock car audio system these days does a far better job of full range audio than any of those retarded competition geared systems. Even when it comes to bass, sorry folks, good bass is not born of a single tone, it has textures, extension, string stretching grip, and plays in harmony and rhythm with the rest of the audio spectrum.
I think MUSIC should be felt too, sometimes even carried to the extreme where your your teeth rattle and your retinas virbrate, when it grabs you by the spine and shakes you, but you'll never hear "music" like that from a car.
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Posted: 5/25/2008 12:28:29 AM |
I've had a trans am before, it was nice and loud, engine over stereo. All I can say is that hitting the road in that beastly machine was the ultimate freedom and often one hell of a rush. Nothing makes you feel more alive than a close brush with death. Fast and furious rice runners of today are a pure joke compared to such a thing
BWAH HAHAHAHA
This is hilariously hypocritical. You compare your experiance of what you feel/felt is acceptable, to what today's generation feel is acceptable ways to spend money on cars/hobbies. You judge one generations hobbies because they don't agree with your own ideals. You say it brought you the ultimate freedom and often one hell of a rush, nothing makes you feel more alive than your close brushes with death. Yet these fast and furious rice runners, are a pure joke for providing today's generation with the same freedom of expression, and often a hell of a rush, with their own near death experiances. Judging by this train of thought, those who drive a early 50's coupe, with a rodded out engine, are also a comparable joke, due to it could in no way be the same as your Trans Am
The rush of driving has been around for every generation since the motor vehicle has been invented...hell possibly even more, there's a reason they call it "horse"power.
As for your comment on people who spend "all this money" to capture every nuance and then play only bass. I know that a car audio system is in no way comparable to a live orchastra...but what really is. I will admit, although, my stereo was amazing, it was nothing in sound quality, compared to systems which were built for sound quality purposes only...that wasn't the purpose of my particular hobby, but I did put in the effort and money to make it have a very good sound quality as well as loud bass. I had played classical music, nature sounds, along with almost every genre of music I can think of through my stereo (maybe if you were more specific on your idea of real music is...I could tell you if I could relate) and will admit, that it had it's downfalls at times, it still sounded amazing for what the basic purpose of the car was. I also know of people who were into sound quality only systems, that were absolutely amazing, and in no way have I ever heard any type of stereo system anywhere which could compare in volume and quality.
I realize that possibly this thread has turned into a rant on those who don't put effort into their stereos. But I would like to make it known that there are people who do actually put in the time and effort, and those usually are the stereos where you see "all this money" spent. Anything under $2000 spent on a complete stereo system is hardly any money at all. $1000 can get a pretty good starter system (deck, sub/amp/box, wiring) for some "duff duff" music, with stock speakers. $2000 will buy a decent stereo if you already have a deck (quality stock replacements, sub/amp/box, wiring). Any more than that, and if not spent properly, will sound like a$s. I agree, people who don't spend their money wisely, are idiots, but except for rich kids, and dumb kids, the majority of people, in my experiance, who invest that much money at least have a half assed idea of what they are doing, or are willing to learn and spend more money to upgrade furthur. (BTW I am in no means putting down anyone who has a smaller system that has upgraded their musical experiance, I only have a small cheap system in my car currently, because it's better than no upgrades at all.) | |
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Posted: 5/25/2008 12:48:49 AM | | I'm one of these guys that have loud stereo's(not $3000.00 stere0) but I have respect for others that are around me. When I am out and about in the city I don't care how loud it is, but when it comes to driving in residential area's and after 10 pm its a different story(No one wants to hear loud bass at 1 am). I see that some posters think its a attention thing but some people just like good music, its awesome listening to Phil Collins really loud when there is some bass to it(thats right I said it, Phil Collins). A few years ago when I first got my car stereo I didn't care what time it was or who it annoyed and I've changed and I've turned it down. I think its good that people express themselves when it comes to their music but have respect for the people that are around you. I think that there is more annoying things in this world then just loud music(ie. loud, lifted redneck trucks, motorcycles, semi's, slow drivers etc). I don't see anyone complaining about those things because I'm sure there is people that have posted in this thread that own a loud truck or a motorcycle thats loud. Its a phase that people go through, you guys were all young once too and people tend to forget that. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2008 2:35:50 AM | I think that there is more annoying things in this world then just loud music(ie. loud, lifted redneck trucks, motorcycles, semi's, slow drivers etc). I don't see anyone complaining about those things because I'm sure there is people that have posted in this thread that own a loud truck or a motorcycle thats loud. Its a phase that people go through, you guys were all young once too and people tend to forget that.
Jasonweremy and others make a good point. Now I don't like to hear booming car stereos either but I hate almost more the sound of a pack of loud motorcycles coming down the street or one revving up at six on a Sunday morning. Just like the above poster said as you look through the profiles of POF and you see a whole bunch of middle-aged guys with pics of their loud a$$ motorcycles... whose complaining about that??? And Rivereye do people who annoy others with their loud motorcycles have anything to do with your theory about "haves" and "have nots." I wonder if we look at the demographics of people who who own loud annoying motorcycles or the trucks some have mentioned would a lot on POF fall into that category and would more than a few who are complaining realize that they are hypocrites? | |
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Posted: 5/25/2008 5:17:20 AM | It's hilarious as you're laughing at your own joke, the punchline is that you misunderstood what I said.
In my view an early 50's coup with a "rodded out engine" is something altogether different than either case mentioned, but far closer to the trans am than the MTV /fast n furious born rice runners. I didn't buy my car and slap on a soup can for a tail pipe, oversized wing, and throw on a 6 thousand dollar plastic ground effects package to make it look like batman, or perhaps, eeeeevery other one of the hundreds of thousands of the same damn thing out there.
I spent two years rebuilding the entire thing from the ground up, the hard way, blood sweat and tears with the little money I had.. Show me a fast and furious that's had that experience? Any guy in a 50's coup that he restored would laugh at that as well.
They're disposable cars glorified by the movies (fast n furious) after which everyone needed an oversized wing and a soup can for a tail pipe. The MTV generation, trying to claim a unique identity by being exactly the same. I gave up that kind of thing with my star wars lunch box.
"I know that a car audio system is in no way comparable to a live orchastra...but what really is."
A system with the capability of creating a fairly convincing illusion of the live event, perhaps even one such as is used for a live orchestra. 180 dB single tone bass note in a confined rattling rice box ain't it, doens't even approach the illusion, there can be a delusion though. You may have found your rendition of the illusion convincing, as per your limited experience. Once upon a time, people were amazed with black and white TV as well.
" (maybe if you were more specific on your idea of real music is...I could tell you if I could relate) "
That remark is contradictory unto itself. That's to say, if you have to ask, ya obviously can't.
"and in no way have I ever heard any type of stereo system anywhere which could compare in volume and quality."
There's your answer. I don't blame you for that, you're a victim of industry and media, a fashion faux pas. It's really not very many people that do know what quality sound reproduction is, they've never been exposed to it.
If single tone loudness competitions are what you call a "hobby", I'd say you're easily amused. Think about it, it's very little different than a fart competition, and it amounts to pure ego, pure and simple.
Learning how to plug and play plug and play hardware isn't such a hobby, there's no real skill required. On top of that, let's face it, most of these guys pay others to have it installed. Their greatest effort is in writting the check to pay for it. So the "hobby" part which occupies their time is in showing it off, a purely ego related activity.
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Posted: 5/25/2008 7:02:46 AM | laughinglibra
It's all part of a conspiracy which I can now expose.
The theory is sinister and dark.
Basically they are young men (usually teenagers) who are rather annoyed at their mum telling them to tidy their room, do this, do that, find a job etc. So they play their music really loud in the hope that they might damage their hearing.....because at the end of the day, if they CANNOT hear MUM ......it's not happening.
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Posted: 5/25/2008 8:00:22 AM | Jesus christ, now ya'll are whining about lifted trucks and semis?
Go to the store and buy only stuff that doesn't have a semi in it's supply chain, but make sure the store itself was built of materials that didnt' have a semi in it's supply chain.
As far as lifted 'redneck' trucks, which just saying kinda means you need thumped in the head to check for a rattle, WTF did that truck do to you? NOTHING, the driver may have acted stupid around you, but the truck did nothing.
I swear to God people will whine about anything. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2008 8:03:43 AM | Give-'em-Hell, Cotter...!!!
Much like the $90,000 car . . they're making Concessions for their 'Shortcomings'
in 'Other Areas' . . !!!
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Posted: 5/25/2008 8:39:20 AM | | Ah Namats, I see we have another one of you that stops at stoplights to examine another guys penis. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2008 9:09:56 AM |
It would bother me if someone was playing loud music late at night while I'm trying to sleep. Otherwise it doesn't bother me that much. IMO many people who complain about loud music probably wouldn't complain when someone was blasting music that they like.
I agree. I know a man who was complaining about a person blasting some pop / dance music. Yet when another person was blasting some rock music, he was singing along with the song. That's hypocritical.
I think that there is more annoying things in this world then just loud music(ie. loud, lifted redneck trucks, motorcycles, semi's, slow drivers etc). I don't see anyone complaining about those things because I'm sure there is people that have posted in this thread that own a loud truck or a motorcycle thats loud. Its a phase that people go through, you guys were all young once too and people tend to forget that.
I also agree with this especially the motorcycles and slow drivers. Almost every day I will see a large group of men in the motorcycles revving up the engines at the same time. People going 30mph in a 40mph zone are much more annoying to me than people who play loud music. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2008 9:30:22 AM |
BOOM BOOM BA BOOM BOOM BA BA BOOM BOOM BOOM Ok, sorry got carried away there for a moment
Omg.... thank you for that laugh!! I'll admit to actually thumping that out in my head as I read it! LOL
I do try and turn it down some though if I'm at a really long light though, I realize that when windows go up, it's not exactly a joyful sound to those around me and I do understand that. Again, I try to be considerate of other drivers, it's just that sometimes in the summer I'll admit it does draw attention and it's SO fun to just rock out and make it all BOOM BOOM.
Thank you for your consideration and your honesty.... humans by nature do like to seek attention and I do understand that..... even if you would drive me crazy!!
OP If I ever pull up next to you, I promise I will turn it down so I don't drive ya nuts.
Again, I thank you.... I'd really hate to have to fart in your window like I described in my opening post!
It's all part of a conspiracy which I can now expose.
The theory is sinister and dark.
Basically they are young men (usually teenagers) who are rather annoyed at their mum telling them to tidy their room, do this, do that, find a job etc. So they play their music really loud in the hope that they might damage their hearing.....because at the end of the day, if they CANNOT hear MUM ......it's not happening.
AH HA!!! The secret is out!!! Thank you!
Kind of hard to do when you're stuck in rush hour traffic for miles and the doggone BA-BOOM, BA-BOOM is sitting either right next to you or directly behind you.
What a wonderfully kind and considerate attitude to have. Whether or not others want to hear that crap ... just subject them to it anyways. You like it and so others are forced to listen. What ever happened to being considerate of others?
I agree..... nothing worse than sitting in traffic and being subjected to someone else's inconsiderations. There's a time and a place for everything.... and that is neither.
Jesus christ, now ya'll are whining about lifted trucks and semis?
Well I would never b*tch about semis..... they are a huge factor in the backbone of our continent. I have always had a lot of respect for truckers and the enormous responsibility of driving a vehicle that size.... hmmmm.... could it be because I used to be a trucker? hehehehe 
Having said that, don't get me wrong on the obvious overuse of the jake brake..... I know plenty of truckers that admit to using that to piss people off at times and that is very uncool as well. Again..... a time and a place.
IMHO, if people in the world were more considerate in general, we would all be much happier. An impossible dream? Maybe. Should I give up hope? No way.
I will continue to always stop and think about how my actions might affect those around me.... I will continue to try to put myself in the shoes of those around me and wonder if I would like to be where they are in relation to my actions.... if the answer is no, then I will curb my actions. Do unto others and treat others the way I would like to be treated.....with kindness and consideration. I believe you get back what you put out, so I'm going to continue to be kind and considerate in the hopes that I can pass this onto my children and to the children who I come into contact with. Even if I only make a difference in a few lives, it's worth it.
*stepping down off my soapbox*
personally i like to thank laughinglibra for her wisdom in all matters. she one smart lady.
Oh Hawkes..... giggle..... flattery will get you everywhere...... just don't fire up your Harley at 8am on a Sunday morning..... then we'll have issues!  | |
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Posted: 5/25/2008 10:45:02 AM | partof1, what you don't understand is the culture is/can be exactly the same, that is why I laugh...You generalize a whole culture without understanding that there are guys out there who put their blood, sweat and tears into building up their cars. From ground up. A lot more than you would imagine. Rebuilding engines, modifying the body, with what little money they have. You may not view it as the same...and not everybody puts that much effort into it. My point is that generalizing that every soup'd up "rice rocket" car is wrong. There are guys, car enthusiasts who put in just as much time and effort into their cars, as someone in any generation did. As in every generation there were trend followers who just paid to have the work done for them.
Same goes for sound systems. You may call me easily amused, but there is more to competitions for single tone loudness competitions than you give credit for. Sure there are guys, who just pay people to do the setup and tweeks for them, but for those who are involved and consider it a hobby, know there is skill involved. Whereas you say there is no skill to it. Just simply throw a big sub in a box, throw on a big amp, and you are good to go. Right? That shows ignorance to a culture you simply don't understand and won't accept because of your lack of understanding. You have to be aware of how to manipulate everything. You can't just simply throw a big sub in a any box, throw on a big amp, and think you can win a dB competition. There are a lot of different variables, and it becomes much more than just plug and play hardware. It takes a lot of time and effort to figure out what works and what doesn't. How to manipulate the air space in the car to best suit a system is just one example of how complicated it can be. A lot of knowledge goes into on how these systems actually work. But I can't blame you for not knowing what you are talking about, it's not an interest of your's so ignorance is to be expected.
On a side note, what type of competition doesn't involve a certain level of showing off or isn't ego related. For example racers of any sort. They work on their vehicle (car, bike, truck, lawnmower etc etc), and build it to race, trying to improve everytime they go out...why? Because they want to win, that is the point of a competition, but you probably wouldn't say that racing is a purely ego related activity. Just because you don't understand another persons hobby, doesn't make it invalid.
I have heard amazing stereo systems, producing volumes that you couldn't even compare anything live to, simply due to the confined space it is in. So maybe I don't know exactly what you mean by quality sound reproduction, as you haven't given an example of how to obtain it. But I have heard systems build strictly for sound quality competitions (yes they have those as well), and I'm pretty sure they have done an amazing job of quality sound reproduction (either that or the judges have also never heard quality sound reproduction either, which I suppose could be possible )
I do agree that not everyone puts that much effort into it, and quite possibly the majority don't. But simply because the majority does not do something, doesn't mean that there aren't guys and girls pouring time, effort and money into what they enjoy doing. Unless you have been involved in that interest you have no right to judge people, such as myself, saying we are easily amuzed and there is no skill required. That'd be like me saying there is no skill involved to wax or detail a car properly. Hell it looks easy enough, anyone should be able to do it properly no problem. Right? (btw, anyone who believes that hasn't seen the difference between someone who knows what they are doing, and just the average joe/jane) | |
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Posted: 5/25/2008 10:47:16 AM | | I think I'd like to develop an e-bomb with about a two meter radius, and market it to people to keep in their glove compartments. When someone pulls up next to them with their windows down and their radio blasting so loud that it's making neighboring cars rattle, they can toss the e-bomb into the person's cabin and make their radio short out. Problem solved. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2008 10:53:53 AM | Loud car stereo systems are frequently used to block the brainwashing sound waves used by the world secret government.
Gangstas are the great protectors of freedom. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2008 11:29:39 AM |
I had a 1990 VW Golf, with no power (not even power steering), over 300K km, and a big dent in the pass side from an accident, retail around ~$500. With a stereo (at it's prime) worth retail of ~$6500 (subs, box, amps, speakers, deck, wiring, and accessories) plus a $300 battery, plus a $300 security system. Altho, I paid no where near this amount, and it was done over a span of time...I suppose, I'm a moron, Probably more like a three-time moron given that:
** you're out all that money ...
**if you were living and driving in Sarasota, Fl. (and soon, hopefully many other cities) you're gonna get fined for it and also the car will be impounded ...
**you're going to need hearing aides by the time you're 30 years old (as opposed to eventually 75 or 80 years old).
If this trend perpetuates, I suggest all you young folks invest in hearing aide stock ... FAST. It will not only be worth a fortune about 10 or 15 years down the road, but you'll also need the revenue off of it to pay for your own hearing aides ... or maybe if you own stock in the company, they'll give you a discount.
In the meantime ... (and I know they no longer teach this in school) try learning to be a little more considerate of others. It might pay off down the road. Most people in the "grown up" world will want you around more if you've mastered the ability to be considerate of others.
Ah Namats, I see we have another one of you that stops at stoplights to examine another guys penis. No need for an examination ... it's easy to assume that the noise has frightened the poor little teeny weeny peeny into hiding ...
To the post below ......
heres the facts we all do know ... its an annoyance to the elderly ... Ummm ... no it's not just the "elderly" that are annoyed by it as is evident in this thread.
... but at the end of the day every generation annoys another this is where i'm coming with SHUT UP N DEAL WITH IT theory. And with that statement you appear to be making an A$$ of yourself because it shows a total lack of consideration for those in your immediate surroundings. It shows that you are a selfish individual because all you can think about is your personal pleasure.
What if it was your personal pleasure to get yourself off in the park? If you did that, I'm sure it would show a total lack of consideration to those in your immediate surroundings. If that's not something you would do, then why would you be so inconsiderate of others when it comes to the noise you make?
if we blow our ear drums .... good on us ... now we need to spend money on hearing aids If you want to do that ... just do it where it does not offend others or interrupt their right to peace and quiet.
i don't see the reason y many of u elders really give a damn with others private lives ??? You stopped making it "private" when you made it so loud that the whole world has to run for cover when you turn it on. If you want it to really be your private life ... do it in the privacy of your own home where it will not bother or offend others. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2008 11:32:05 AM | u ppl r taking this way beyond of no return...
heres the facts we all do know ... its an annoyance to the elderly
but at the end of the day every generation annoys another this is where i'm coming with SHUT UP N DEAL WITH IT theory.
if we blow our ear drums .... good on us ... now we need to spend money on hearing aids
i don't see the reason y many of u elders really give a damn with others private lives ???
just another example of u ppl ****ing n complaining cuz retirement is boring n u need to feel needed. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2008 11:51:34 AM | | ^^Do you read your posts to yourself before you hit the post button and send them into the forum? Your posts and how you react to people shows that our generation has no respect for anyone. I think that you should get a dictionary and learn how to spell and actually have an ounce of respect for others and stop seeking for attention because your not going to get it here. When you have something useful to add to this thread then please do so, but until then find another place to do your attention seeking. I hope that you realize that you are in a forum with a bunch of a adults, not a bunch of teenagers looking for attention like you are. Haven't you noticed since you've been in here no one has answer or acknowledged that you are in here? When you have something constructive to say then please say it, until then thanks for coming out. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2008 11:56:22 AM | What I find funny is someone can be very loud and rude and smoke in an area filled with lots of people.
There is no way to turn off our ears and nose. We put up with the sound and smell.
But if we stare back at them. Holy cow. They freak out. Eyesight apparently is more disruptive to their well being than loud music and smoke to ours.
I wonder if there is a secret law that advertising one's ego supersedes the right to public peace.
*tries to toast bread with glares* | |
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Posted: 5/25/2008 1:37:33 PM | | i'm not seeking attention... i just find it funny everyone freaks out over little things like hypocrites | |
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