| Was John Terry A Big Baby For Crying After The CL Final?..
Posted: 5/24/2008 3:23:14 AM | Bloody hell you two, you telling me you haven't heard worse at a ground?
Thats mild to quite allot of the chants you hear when you go to games. Want a few listed?
As for loyalty, its not just given, you have to earn it. | |
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| Was John Terry A Big Baby For Crying After The CL Final?..
Posted: 5/24/2008 3:25:42 AM | | princess, I went to my fist game around 1970, very few black players so when they arrived on the scene you can imagine. Ive certainly heard worse, however this is 2008, we are humans we are supposed to be evolving, football fans have an ability to buck this trend | |
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| Was John Terry A Big Baby For Crying After The CL Final?..
Posted: 5/24/2008 4:02:30 AM |
Bloody hell you two, you telling me you haven't heard worse at a ground?
Thats mild to quite allot of the chants you hear when you go to games. Want a few listed?
With all due respect Madam, Ive been following my team home and away religiously for going on 30 years. During which time Ive been on around 70 football league grounds, some of them several times and more often than not with people who are far from politically correct. So I can assure you Ive seen plenty of unsavoury incidents and heard plenty of offensive songs and chanting.
I'm quite embarrassed to say I used to join in and sing about stuff like the Munich air disaster. I was young then though and didn't fully understand what it was all about. I just did it to wind up the oppositions supporters. I'm not the most reverent of people and could never be accused of being P.C. I'm sure Mizz Understood didn't mean any harm or offence and I don't think bad of her for it. Its just a personal thing for me as I my Mum died very young when I was about 12. So I just have a lot of sympathy and empathise with him [frank lampard]. I just think singing about that so soon after the event is callous. Just my personal point of view thats all. | |
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| Was John Terry A Big Baby For Crying After The CL Final?..
Posted: 5/24/2008 6:15:51 AM | I agree with both of you, i just find allot of fans hypocritical. I haven't sung about any disaster, mainly i think because of my age, i am a post Hillsborough attendee, despite having red programmed in to me since birth, i was taught to hate UTD, and feel sorry for everton... hate is a strong term, i dislike them, immensely. I go to quite a few games, This year i have been mainly seated on the top tier of Anny road, above the away fans. I have heard things that disgust me. This, by most terms was incredibly tame. My kids hear worse, so what will they do as they get older? they will grow to dislike any other team. I have never sung about Munich. i have never sung anything other then 'Kop classics' if you like. My kids know about most disasters in football and they were to join in, they would get a sharp stern warning.
Also, you have to admit, allot of the pleasure we get at going to a game is the atmosphere and fan rivalry, what creates that??
princess, I went to my fist game around 1970, very few black players so when they arrived on the scene you can imagine. Ive certainly heard worse, however this is 2008, we are humans we are supposed to be evolving, football fans have an ability to buck this trend
I agree, I quite remember the blue nose antics when John Barnes took to the pitch. i have never once sung about Munich, i have never found anything like that acceptable, but your response i found was rather harsh, (although Miz understood is big enough to cover her own back) it makes me question your behaviour in the ground as to whether you correct your fellow fans. Its easy to do over a forum medium.
As for football fans having the ability to buck this trend, yes they do but the sky sports generation want 'in' of the football of old, they missed out. As a result quite a few of the wrong chants are again being sung. And funnily enough, it seems to be the only ones they know.
So I can assure you Ive seen plenty of unsavoury incidents and heard plenty of offensive songs and chanting.
I am a Liverpool fan, i don't think there is a Premier league club's fans that haven't called us murderers.
I just think singing about that so soon after the event is callous. Just my personal point of view thats all.
Again i agree, but what would your behaviour be in the ground? There is sitting back and not joining in, or there is correcting the behaviour of those around you. believe it or not (you probably do) but i do correct those around me. There is an unspoken code of conduct in football grounds depending on your team, I feel our code of conduct is eroding away. I am sure long term attendees of other clubs feel the same way too.
OT, John Terry is an absolute disgrace to football. I did feel sorry for him, then i was quickly reminded of his foul and abusive behaviour. The guy should never win a winners medal in his life. and before you start, i had the same feeling about Diouf, his was just simple spitting. | |
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| Was John Terry A Big Baby For Crying After The CL Final?..
Posted: 5/24/2008 6:50:21 AM | "...it makes me question your behaviour in the ground as to whether you correct your fellow fans. Its easy to do over a forum medium. "
oooh fightin talk!
I dont go to football anymore, last game was 5 years ago, Ive turned down free tickets numerous times. correct fellow fans? there is nothing fellowship about some crass turd spouting garbage doesnt matter who he or she supports and yes I would tell them to their face, I dont see the point of trying to educate a few thousand though. | |
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Posted: 5/24/2008 7:32:01 AM | Its not fighting talk in the least. far from it. I just find that some people are quick to bite over the forums, yet in real life would think twice.
i'm on about in your own fans in your own stands. If you don't correct them, others, maybe younger fans think the behaviour is appropriate, and its not.
as for educating a few thousand, it only takes one person to make up a song.....  | |
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| Was John Terry A Big Baby For Crying After The CL Final?..
Posted: 5/24/2008 7:39:31 AM | nobody should miss a penelty but when stakes are high and money counts for alotof it
football big biz not a sport nomore like it used to be and if imissed i cry too missing
the money too besides the glory but he be remembered for missing it | |
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Posted: 5/24/2008 7:49:06 AM | I'm a Manchester United supporter (and have been for well over fifteen years) but I felt for Terry. To miss a kick like that in such a crucial match - in fact the most crucial kick as it would have granted his team the cup must be horrible - yes they are overpaid (and believe me I really resent that!) but this is still a job to them - so it's gonna be emotional. Ronaldo missed his penalty for being an idiot and at that point I thought were were out...
...as for the comment about Lampard's mum - that's sick. I've never understood the amount of vitirol players get for simply playing for another team - it's up there with the a*seholes who sing about Munich in a derogatory way. No words, really. Just shows how pathetic some people are I guess! | |
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Posted: 5/24/2008 10:38:19 AM | John Terry is paid £130,000 a week. So I'm sure he's still crying all the way to his bank.
Gorra larf I suppose.
But some peeps just lap up all the media hype.
John Terry couldn't give a proverbial - but perhaps he has a career in acting coming his way when his Chelsea/England playing days are over?
He needs the money you know.
Dear oh dear. Sympathy for grossly overpaid/overrated footballers - whatever next? | |
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Posted: 5/25/2008 3:51:07 AM | He knows it was his last match with that same group of players...alot of players will leave Chelsea this summer to Inter Milan where Jose is due to report for duty in the near future. I suspect Lampard and Drogba will go to Jose maybe even Terry. They had an undying respect for Mourinho.
If you can imagine what it feels like to be in front of at least 70k supporters in a stadium........you've just played a hellish 90minutes and extra-time........then you find yourself in front of a goalkeeper and placing the ball on the penalty spot and knowing that your penalty could win the Champions Leage..............think about it.....would you cry!! | |
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Posted: 5/25/2008 3:54:46 AM | Princess Fiona. Mssg 30.
I don't know where to start with this to be honest because your message is riddled with contradictions and Ive no idea who/ what you are agreeing or disagreeing with.
To be perfectly honest [I'll get slated for this but I'm not arsed its my opinion] I don't take any woman seriously when talking about football. To me they all sound brainwashed like them telephone operators that talk like they are reading from a script. It sounds like your talking through your Dad,Brother,Husband whatever.
Take the first paragraph. You start off by saying "I agree with both of you" then go on to say you were programmed as a kid to hate UTD but are totally against any kind of Munich type songs but then finish by saying
<div class="quote">Also, you have to admit, allot of the pleasure we get at going to a game is the atmosphere and fan rivalry, what creates that??
I take it you mean songs about subjects like Munich . So as long as you don't sing about it then you find it acceptable and derive pleasure from the edge it gives the atmosphere ?
The next paragraph starts off in the same vein
I agree then some more confusing drivel and then a random remark about Liverpool fans being called murderers. Then the final paragraph which surprisingly starts off ,Again I agree and then goes onto ask me what my behaviour would be in the ground [stadium] and the deterioration in conduct of supporters and increased inflammatory chanting on subjects like Hillsborough etc.
W.T.F ?  
let me clarify what I said originally. I said the line of the song making reference to Frank Lampards mums death was harsh IMO . Thats it. I explained my reasons to you in the following thread. If I heard that being sang at a match I wouldn't say anything .
I wouldn't be offended or angry, I would find it insensitive and have a lot of sympathy for the player.
Correct me If I'm wrong but you seem to be suggesting that I'm some kind of keyboard Rambo. You don't know me or anything about me , so fair enough.
If I feel strongly enough about something whether it be on these forums, a football ground, a bus , a pub or wherever I will let you know my feelings in no uncertain terms . Trust me.
Finally your suggestion that football grounds are becoming more hostile and fans chanting and behaviour more offensive and talk about codes of conduct is laughable. Football grounds now are safer and more family orientated than they have ever been. Go back 15-20 years and it would have been almost unheard of to take your wife/girlfriend and kids to a football match . Not because of racist chants and foul an abusive language, that would have been way down on the list. There were large scale brawls, riots , ripping up and throwing seats ,coin throwing,numerous stabbings in and around the ground before and after the match etc... This was the rule rather than the exception. Today is like a Sunday school choir in comparison. | |
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| Was John Terry A Big Baby For Crying After The CL Final?..
Posted: 5/25/2008 4:45:11 AM | A baby? No
But I have to say it could not have happened to a better man.
Take a look at these links if you want to see the side that is never portrayed on Sky
http://www.liverpoolway.co.uk/blog/?p=164
http://blogs.independent.co.uk/extratime/2008/03/john-terry-need.html
And for the record I have been a Man Utd fan since my first memory of supporting them was them getting relegated. | |
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| Was John Terry A Big Baby For Crying After The CL Final?..
Posted: 5/25/2008 5:36:44 AM | Back to the initial question.....
If I had worked all my life, from the age of 4 or 5, to achieve becoming the captain of a Champions League winning team and squandered the chance of achieving that with one slip at the exact moment I could have won the trophy with a penalty I would cry! That's 22 years of making a career doing the thing you love with (let's be honest) limited talent but a vast amount of commitment and hard work..... only to see your life's dream taken away in an instant, by the 4 inch width of a goal-post
As for the rest of the thread, any song/chant/shouting which is based in abuse, hate or in mocking something personal and serious such as the Munich crash or the death of a loved one is, in my eyes, vile and has no place in football. I look at the FA Cup final this year and it had the true spirit of football..... the Cardiff fans stayed to applaud the winners knowing that their team had given everything but had lost to a better team. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2008 5:50:52 AM | | There's rivalry and then there's hatred. I have a rivalry at work where I always want to beat the sales figures of a colleague, but I don't abuse him about the fact he is going through a divorce, just like he doesn't insult my dead mum or comment on that part of my life. Rivalry is one thing, when that spills over into making the other team/supporters enemies it is not part of football | |
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Posted: 5/25/2008 9:27:46 PM |
I think I can clarify it far more succinctly.
rags = armchair gloryhunting scum.
C.T.I.D
Thats pretty much what I was trying to say mate.
I wasn't aware you were a blue R.N. Although I should have realised to be fair. You are , after all , a Mancunian with a sense of humour. Who else would you support ?
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| Was John Terry A Big Baby For Crying After The CL Final?..
Posted: 5/26/2008 5:00:47 AM | i did feel sorry for the boy terry until i saw him blow snot onto carlos tevezs neck after the boy drogba got sent off
why is it that the english players /pundits always say the foreign players spitting at other players is disgusting yet when an england captain blows snot onto a foreign player its deemed acceptable ? riddle me that batman! | |
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Posted: 5/26/2008 5:18:34 AM |
Thats pretty much what I was trying to say mate.
I wasn't aware you were a blue R.N. Although I should have realised to be fair. You are , after all , a Mancunian with a sense of humour. Who else would you support ?
Bury? | |
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| Was John Terry A Big Baby For Crying After The CL Final?..
Posted: 5/26/2008 6:38:11 AM | gazza started the trend now all do it
crying??? theres no crying in football unless you break you leg then its ok to cry.
no on the sick thing about lampards mum that is really very poor taste but when mr man utd (sir alex ferguson) dies fans will be crying too and i just hope chelsea fan dont make up a sick song to mark it.i perfer the banter song to the crap they make up now. | |
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Posted: 5/26/2008 7:42:06 AM | You must be Mizunderstood if you can come up with something as low as that!Blimey!
It was all quite enjoyable reading everyones points of view,then wallop,it all gets messy.Well done,Miz.
For the record i'm a Chelsea fan and i can't understand why a centre half was taking the most important kick in my clubs history,captain or not.
Bet Avram Grant wishes JT had stayed in the centre circle.I do! | |
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Posted: 5/26/2008 8:12:58 AM | Anyway, back to the OP's point!!!
I am not a Chelsea or John Terry fan, but I do have some sympathy for his tears.
In my view he was upset because as captain he felt he had let his teammates down.
In reply to the comments that a penalty should never be missed:-
I have played to a fairly good standard, good enough to be paid, & I once turned down Newcastle because to me it's a game not a career, & by coincidence was a centre half, ( well sweeper, but not many can remember that position), & captain of most of the teams I played for. I was also the regular penalty taker. I didn't miss for years, then one day in a fairly unimportant game the keeper saved one. I was shocked to say the least, & for whatever reason I missed the next 3 I took, one in a final which meant we lost the cup.
It's not a technique thing, it's a mental thing. For myself I cared not, but for my teammates, who had their dreams shattered because of my inabilty on those occasions, I was absolutely gutted.
So I for one think his tears have been misconstrued. | |
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