| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/27/2008 8:21:34 AM | | I never watched the show, but anyone who would let a movie alter their opinions on relationships needs a reality check. Its just hollywood and stereotyping. Not every woman is a money grubbing shallow beotch, and not all men are dogs. Tell your compadres they need to get a grip on reality and stop worrying about hollywoods opinion. | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/27/2008 8:28:30 AM | | A lady would be a fool to believe Sex and the City is an accurate portrayal of the dating behaviors of "today woman". It's a freaking television show (now a movie). TV shows generallaren't accurate portrayals of ANYTHING. That's like saying Everybody Loves Raymond is an accurate portrayal of men's relationship behavior. Get with the program people. TV shows are for entertainment, certainly not something which to model your behavior if you are clueless. | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/27/2008 8:34:48 AM | | Tall, I've noticed that Tall, and a dancer is the bottom line for many dates. Now there are guys much shorter than I, but were talking 6' or taller. I have also found that the guy doesn't really have to be great looking, but if he can dance? She going C+W dancing! | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/27/2008 10:23:52 AM |
And woman are doing this with SATC? Do you know any woman that has said that she has modelled her life after this television show? These types of comments really give some insight into how some people really do have very low opinions of the opposite sex.......
Well, that's part of what this thread is about, isn't it? I don't personally know any, which is why I haven't said anything about that aspect of it - but when you hear comments like "this show empowers women" you have to wonder if some people aren't taking it just a little too seriously. | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/27/2008 10:38:09 AM | | Sometimes.. men watch these shows, and think women taken them seriously. There is a reason they're called "TV SHOWS". They're not real. Just because the people on the show think the way they do, doesn't mean women in real life do. At least I know I dont. LMAO. Money, and handsomeness isn't everything. Tell your "compadres" to cool down and relax. Nothing to worry about. Maybe they're picking those stuck up east coast girls, Mr. "hella" boy. =] | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/27/2008 10:40:14 AM | | It can't be real. Those dresses she wears cost a fortune and she changes every five minutes - yet she lives in a crumbly flat and does her own ironing ... | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/28/2008 6:02:54 AM | I loved the show, but never thought of it as anything more than an entertaining romp, to be honest. I don't know why any man would feel threatened because his partner enjoyed the show, but I also can't see why any woman would really take it as gospel either. I rather likened it to Seinfeld in a way, it was an exaggerated, humourous charicature of every bad date we've ever been on in our lives, with something that could relate to everyone on some level. Even the women were pretty neurotic and screwed up at times, so even they were charicatures that guys would be able to relate to every "crazy" girl that they'd ever dated humourously.
Taking it as gospel though would be too much. Even one of the actresses in a recent interview about the upcoming movie said something along the lines of "if you took all those 4 women and put them and their characteristics together, they might make one complete woman".  | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/28/2008 6:16:16 AM | | I've never watched the show, but I think you can chalk the arruination of dating up to immaturity and irresponsibility. Money and looks were attractive to the world long before television even existed. | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/28/2008 12:46:45 PM | | I can't believe this is an issue?! I'm 20, own all 6 seasons, and know that SATC is complete fiction. It's for entertainment purposes only. If anyone gets influenced by a program that isn't True Fact or a documentary then I would suggest you wash your hands of them, cause you'll never know what they'd be willing to believe. Maybe I'm biased... cause I'm studying television, and every show has it's demographics and a huge audience can relate to being single. And btw in the show the 4 women weren't always the victims of weird guys. All of them had their share of acting stupid, or blowing a good relationship/opportunity. | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/28/2008 5:03:28 PM | | Just being tune into Hollyweird, the media, advertising, etc. can set someone up for unreal expectations. Don't blame this on Sex & the City. That's a scapegoat and a load of crap. Relationships of any kind come down to our expectations, how we perceive people, etc. | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/28/2008 5:55:08 PM | Wonka - you've nailed it consistently in your series of posts. And I did plow through all six seasons via our library's DVD collection. Typically there was a several week waiting list for each season due to the popularity. And since each season could only to be checked out for one week, I had to make it a point to watch two or three episodes a day.
People say the show was supposed to be funny, but I laughed all of once. Season #3 was the best, but it barely got up to the 2 1/2 to 3 stars out of five range. The show was basically a vehicle for SJP to appear as a fashion plate. (Someone above mentioned how she appears in yet another stupid outfit in about every other scene.) And, yes, the men were all one-dimensional "relationship objects", and, yes, they were carefully crafted to stoke resentment and feelings of superiority in the female viewership. The one exception is perhaps Willie Garson's character, but then he's stereotypically gay, so it's only by comparison to the other male characters.
As for whether the show ruined dating, I wouldn't give it that much credit -- though I'm sure it's fans have their best relationships with their TV's, in spite of the show's pretensions to be dealing with "significant issues". It really was just another soap opera, though with a stylistic twist. Sorry gals, but if you're totally into this sort of vapid female porn (which includes "Friends") I'd consider you wholly undateable -- if only because the sex scenes were so NOT sexy.
From a discussion some time ago on another website:
"What people need to understand about why men despise SJP so much is that Sex and the City has been shoved down peoples' throats as a cultural phenomenon, and purports to "Say Something" about female empowerment. But the show may as well be called Bling Bling for White Women -- the only middle-class guy the four harpies on it will lower themselves to stick with is the bartender, and even then only after he "improves himself" and opens his OWN bar. No self-respecting man would want to stay with any of these neurotic gold-diggers for a second. I remember suffering through one episode with a then-girlfriend where SJP was describing how she was sizing up a potential suitor (lawyer or something) as being "good on paper" and now wanting to see if there could be anything between them. It's just 30 minutes of hypocrisy since the show purports that the four main characters are just looking for true love. To those who say SJP just acts, she also had a big hand in producing the show. And soon humanity will be inflicted with a godforsaken movie featuring these vomitrocious chicks. Any show that reversed the roles men and women have on Sex and the City would be pilloried, quite rightly, by females." | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/28/2008 6:23:22 PM | I'm sorry - I don't mean to be rude - but I think some of you (cough cough MEN cough cough) are spending too many brain cells on this - it was just a show - purely for entertainment - women don't actually think real life IS that, or SHOULD BE that. We are not like that, and we know men are not like that - it simply was what it was - 30 minutes of escape from the laundry, the dishes, or any other mindnumbing chores all of us endure every day of our lives.
No more, no less. | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/28/2008 8:15:51 PM | Oh, forms of media have NEVER been known to give men unrealistic views about women. HA HA HA
Thanks for the laugh. :) | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/28/2008 11:08:39 PM | | I've never watched the show--though I've seen enough advertising that I can say I find the lead rather homely. Further, I worked with semi-retired Hollywood comedy writers and find their morals not unlike some rancid forum posters. This show might be a reminder not to allow SatC sentiments to drive one's behaviors. | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/29/2008 4:53:50 AM | Fess up men! Whats the problemo? Cant face the music? Sorry but LOTS of men are JUST as Sex and the City portray them... men treat women like "disposables" and dump them, or cheat on them as they see fit.
Guess what? Women as those portraited in SATC are disposable. | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/29/2008 10:34:38 AM |
Fess up men! Whats the problemo? Cant face the music? Sorry but LOTS of men are JUST as Sex and the City portray them... men treat women like "disposables" and dump them, or cheat on them as they see fit.
Aiden Shaw was like that?
Steve Brady was like that?
I remember both of them were pretty darn decent to their women, and got handed a lot of crap for it. One was cheated on and thankfully walked. The other was more cast aside until he owned his own business and now was seen as "worthy".
There are TONS of Aiden Shaws and Steve Bradys out there in the real world...and many of them face these same dilemmas. Many of them are also getting the message that if they become a "Mr Big" then they can do anything they want and have women fighting to get them.
Now, not to totally attack women here. I will say though that in my experiences, I've seen only two types of females in the REAL WORLD actually "embrace" the Sex and the City lifestyle. The lifestyle of shopping, partying, martinis, and meaningless relationships or chasing "Mr Bigs"
1) Younger women in urban areas aged 18-24. They ignore the heartbreaks and pain these women face and more look at the positives. They want to be young, sexy, outgoing, shop for high fashion ("couture"), hitting up the trendy spots, and either banging hot trophy males or seeking a Mr Big to give them a Charlotte-style fantasy life.
2) Older women whom many might call "cougars". They maybe never found Mr Right, or ended up in divorce, so now they don't see value in it all and want to prioritize on themselves. They have careers, money, and are single...so they want to seek out a young piece of meat to feast on and hit up the hot spots as well as be the woman the soccer moms secretly envy.
I have yet to meet a woman aged 25-40 who is like the two described above. The only things I've seen those women get from Sex and the City is that they see it's ok to discuss sex and men and such with their girlfriends. That it's not "whorish" or "crude".
I think too many men out there see SATC and believe it's telling women to be shallow snobs who will only pursue the tiny percentile of actual alpha males on the planet. The men should more chuckle at the show and give a "tsk tsk" to the women who actually try to model their lives off those characters. Any woman who really thinks Charlotte, Samantha, Miranda, and Carrie are role models seriously needs to get a clue. | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/29/2008 11:15:48 AM |
The only things I've seen those women get from Sex and the City is that they see it's ok to discuss sex and men and such with their girlfriends. That it's not "whorish" or "crude".
True - and oddly enough, as I mentioned before, a similar formula (the "discussion in the round") was used on The Mary Tyler Moore show 30 years ago. 'cept without all the naughty words. Oh, how far we've come.  | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/29/2008 11:27:33 AM | I know it ruined my sex life with my last girlfriend. She wanted sex all the time, then she bought the Sex and the City DVDs. All that she would do was watch the DVDs. She'd watch 4 episodes in a row each night, and I'd basically fall asleep in the first 30 minutes. After 4 episodes it would be 1 am, I'd be asleep... THEN she'd want sex. I'd get woken up. Yeah real romantic.
So uber rich and hella handsome huh? Well at least characters like Steve make the average guys good guys. What about the bald guy, he's pretty femminine, but still has a wife. There is hope. Just be a nice guy with a good personality that actually cares about the woman you're with :-) | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/29/2008 12:09:24 PM |
Aiden Shaw was like that? Steve Brady was like that?
I remember both of them were pretty darn decent to their women, and got handed a lot of crap for it. One was cheated on and thankfully walked. The other was more cast aside until he owned his own business and now was seen as "worthy".
As an avid fan of the show (and a proud owner of the series) I don't live by it - but it did remind me at times of past dates and friendships I've had in my life. Anywho, Aiden didn't leave Carrie for cheating the second time; he pushed her to get married out of mistrust...and I can't say either character was totally innocent in the end. Maybe Carrie never wanted marriage, maybe she needed time, but he didn't care to find out. There's an argument to be made both ways. Steve wasn't cast aside by Miranda so much as the two of them had different lifestyles and goals at that time, which they had from the beginning; so I wouldn't say he wasn't worthy until he (and Aidan) opened that bar, I'd say his work ethic matched Miranda's more and having a child together may have been a time to regroup. To be honest, Miranda's character was fine with the difference in income, etc - it was Steve who had a hard time with it.
There are TONS of Aiden Shaws and Steve Bradys out there in the real world...and many of them face these same dilemmas. Many of them are also getting the message that if they become a "Mr Big" then they can do anything they want and have women fighting to get them.
I honestly never saw "Big" as more than Carrie's issue - I don't see that dynamic or that type of man standard for all women - I think Carrie in particular was drawn to his mystery...liked the push/pull, etc etc. If you notice her friends didn't exactly have that same mindset, or that same type of guy...it was mostly Carrie. Some say Carrie's one side of all women, some say Carrie is one type of woman, depends who you ask. But generally I feel all men are "Big" to some women, "Aidan" to other women, and "Steve" to still other women. Everyone likes someone different...
2) Older women whom many might call "cougars". They maybe never found Mr Right, or ended up in divorce, so now they don't see value in it all and want to prioritize on themselves. They have careers, money, and are single...so they want to seek out a young piece of meat to feast on and hit up the hot spots as well as be the woman the soccer moms secretly envy.
Sounds good to me...oh wait, I'm 40....maybe that's why.
I think too many men out there see SATC and believe it's telling women to be shallow snobs who will only pursue the tiny percentile of actual alpha males on the planet. The men should more chuckle at the show and give a "tsk tsk" to the women who actually try to model their lives off those characters. Any woman who really thinks Charlotte, Samantha, Miranda, and Carrie are role models seriously needs to get a clue.
Now THAT I agree with...I don't think those characters are to be modeled, rather I think they are a comedic look at women out there dating....sort of the reverse.
True - and oddly enough, as I mentioned before, a similar formula (the "discussion in the round") was used on The Mary Tyler Moore show 30 years ago. 'cept without all the naughty words. Oh, how far we've come.
The swearing is more fun - and more realistic (it's not censored by the FCC, either). | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/29/2008 12:32:40 PM | | I rather doubt that Sex and the City has had that much impact on anything. If somebody is finding that it has somehow impacted their dating lives then they might be projecting their own issues elsewhere. | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/29/2008 12:59:01 PM | I read an article recently written by a man who said S&TC was the best thing to happen to men in a long time. Suddenly their girlfriends/wives had discovered that they wanted to see their girlfriends and have some girly nights which left the men time for their friends - so it's all good!
I love S&TC too but it most definitely is Hollywood - NOT real life. None of the women in it are at all like any of the women that I know, but most of us can see a little bit of ourselves spread around the group. It was probably funnier to women than to men - it made me laugh quite often when I recognised a situation I had been in at some point. Yes there were some male scumbags in it, but the women weren't portrayed as white than white either.
But at least the guys who need excuses for why they're still single or don't attract women have yet another excuse. I would just hate for them to start thinking it had anything to do with their attitudes, poor babes.
As for those men who wouldn't want to date anyone who watched it - well I wouldn't date anyone who was so judgemental and who thought I was stupid enough to think it was real life. And in future I think I'd better make Baywatch a deal breaker - obviously any man who has ever watched couldn't possibly have an active brain cell in their heads and will only want to date a barbie doll with implants. So again it's all good. | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/29/2008 1:07:39 PM | | I think this show is so lame. If anyone takes any of these dumb ass shows serious I suggest that you stop watching T.V. | |
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