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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/29/2008 3:22:27 PM | grkboy is right the show has ruined dating. Created a climate for sex being viewed just like an afternoon game of golf. He right about women under 25 view this as the way relationships should be. This is the new generation of independent women. I'm met a lot of women that grkboy described that are into meaningless relationship and Mr.Bigs. This whole city is full of them. Sometimes I think "Sex in the City" is the story of women from Winnipeg. That why if you look through the pages of Winnipeg women under 25 most are single moms that have never been married, or ones looking for Mr. Bigs.
I ain't putting up with it. A friend of mine said about the show he was hoping the redhead would get AIDS.
The problem is our society has embraced casual sex like a couple rounds after work with your buddies and love doesn't mean anything anymore. Many confuse sex with love and that's the real basis for majority of relation problems in our society. Before you have sex with someone you need to build a relationship built on respect, love, support for each other.
And for the Mary Tyler Moore show, those people were married, different ballgame then.
No casual sex for me. The tramps and the golddiggers can find another address. Until I get commitment from a woman, she has a better chance getting abducted by aliens, then having sex with me. I've had sex a handfull of times over the past 15 years and that woman was lying to me.
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/29/2008 3:32:24 PM | Um...I doubt it, but Video killed the radio star.
Dating is fine...what I think killed some possible relationships is the idea (as witnessed in some of these forums) that we believe the "next person" will be better. Not willing to give a person a chance due to some stupid "red flag" criteria. Spending way too much time here listening to advice given by bitter people with more baggage than a jumbo jet who have constantly FAILED at relationships. Makes no sense. Really a good idea to listen less to people here and listen more to those who actually know you.
Anywho...I bet it's probably going to be a fairly well received movie. | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/29/2008 4:11:02 PM | And for the Mary Tyler Moore show, those people were married, different ballgame then.
Neither Mary Richards nor Rhoda Morgenstern were married - the whole reason Mary was even single and living in Minneapolis was because things had gone sour with her boyfriend and she walked rather than get shackled into a life she didn't want. Phyllis Lindstrom was, but her role was to essentially illustrate that being married didn't make your life any better - she had her own set of problems. Many of the episodes revolved around these three women discussing their lives and wondering if they were doing the right thing.
In fact, the only members of the main cast who were married were Murray and Lou - and Lou's wife walked out on him after 26 years of marriage. Although, Ted did finally wind up getting hitched to Georgette, proving that there is someone for everybody. If the same sitcom had been made today, I don't think that would happen.
Damn. I know way too much about this show. Time to go watch the DVDs again... | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/29/2008 4:51:23 PM |
Anywho...I bet it's probably going to be a fairly well received movie.
It will be by me! I don't want to stand in line for ever tomorrow night, so I'll be there for the matinee tomorrow (and then Strangers right after, to level things off). : ) | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/30/2008 5:42:33 AM | Sorry wonkabar...I was mixing up "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" with the "Dick Van Dyke Show". Now****Van Dyke that was good wholesome TV. ****Van Dyke is probably why I've been single for 15 years cause I'm looking for a women like Mrs. Van Dyke. "Family Affair', "My Three Sons", real good TV. Why don't they put some real down to Earth, really what America is supposed to be about shows on TV, instead of dirty rotten shows like SITC? We need some positive roles models again in out society like the Van Dykes. | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/30/2008 5:47:25 AM | Ya know, as strange as it might seem, some of us have never seen an episode of Sex in the City .
Some of us rarely or never watch TV. | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/30/2008 6:26:07 AM |
Van Dyke is probably why I've been single for 15 years cause I'm looking for a women like Mrs. Van Dyke
Well, Mr. Van Dyke divorced Mrs. Van Dyke in 1984 (they were wed in 1948). He has had an LTR for many years with Michelle Triola (formerly Michelle Triola MARVIN – the woman who unsuccessfully sued actor Lee “Paint Your Wagon” Marvin for palimony).
Perhaps you are looking for a Laura Petrie? She was a dish.  | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/30/2008 7:49:53 AM | | If anything I learned a lot ABOUT dating from the show when I was younger. A great show. If your buddy is basing his experiences on a tv show and blaming his problems on it, sounds like he has bigger issues. It would be like if I learned everything there to learn about a man in a show like, trailer park boys...if that was the case, I'd stay single forever. | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/30/2008 7:53:26 AM | | Great thread, S&tC did not ruin dating, television did along with other life changes. S&tC is just another nail in the coffin of society in general. We watch that box 4 to 6 hours a day or longer and get many many messages. So far 60% of women responded on here that the show was liked and even embraced it for empowering them. If so then do you honestly believe you did not take away more messages? How about all the women who are height and weight appropriate, then when your in a conversation they tell you they need to lose 20 pounds? Where did that come from? They're friends or they're mother? It came from watching the stick figures on TV, it came from the advertisiers who spend billions of dollars on those shows. Think about ER and Clooney, as one poster said "never had a doctor like that" doesn't mean some people aren't thinking about that when they do go to ER or new doctor's office. Although I think ER was closer to reality than a Gray's Anatomy where Everybody sleeps with everybody. Fashion is a $5 billion industry, do you believe that they provide clothes to these shows for free for fun? They know your going to say WOW that looks good and try and get it or something like it. Television and it's writers have tremendous power over your thought process, even if you don't like to admit it. How about the 14 to 16 year olds watching these shows in the 80's &90's. They are now the 20 & 30 somethings, you don't think these messages got through and colored how they think. Life does mean you meet fall in love, break up and get back together and live happily ever after in 28 minutes. Nor does it make people disposable, like changing shirts if you see something better on the next rack. If you don't think S&tC influenced you, how many will admit to never hearing of Jimmy Choo's or Blaniks before they saw the show? I have said in many posts the most important thing in a relationship next to trust is COMMUNICATION, how are you going to do that staring at a box for 4 hours? My 2 cents, Bob | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/30/2008 8:53:20 AM | Claiming that being single for 15 years is a result of watching the Van Dyke show is the funniest, most absurd thing I've ever read on this msg board (outside of the religion & bigotry forum) | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/30/2008 11:14:18 AM |
grkboy is right the show has ruined dating.
I didn't necessarily say that. I merely pointed out what I've seen. I don't think SATC "ruined" dating as much as it more opened many people's eyes as to what's been happening.
Believe me, I've seen girls act like the four main characters years before that show came on. I think the fear many guys got from he show was more that they see it now on the media, and while there was a lot of "bad behavior" on the part of the four characters, and now think women all over will start believing it's "ok" to act like that.
Yet look at what I spoke of in terms of the age groups that "embraced" the SATC culture. YOUNG women who are still playing naive and simply ignore the bad points of the show. They ignore how many years Carrie Bradshaw spent chasing Big and how many times she's gotten hurt. They ignore how Charlotte spent all that time seeking out a wealthy alpha male in her goal of a Barbie Doll marriage, only to wake up and learn it's not all about how he looks and how much money he makes. They ignore just how empty Samantha's life really is, and even how insecure she got as she was aging and now saw younger hotter women with fake boobs as her competition. They look at Miranda and think she's the "old hag" who chooses to be hateful, except when these young women get hurt, and suddenly Miranda is their hero.
As for the older women, most of these women either spent so long trying to be Carrie or Charlotte that they ended up as jaded as Miranda or just deciding that an meaningless sex Samantha life is more ideal. I can only blame those women for their singledom if they spent their lives rejecting loads of ideal men because maybe they were not "handsome" or "wealthy" enough. However, seeing my own life...dating is just hard.
Now when I see women in their mid-20s all the way up to 40, they're not thinking that chasing a Mr Big for six years will magically grant them a wealthy exciting husband. They're not thinking that they'll find some guy who will spoil them with a luxury townhouse in Manhattan and a beach house in the Hamptons. If anything, some of these women watch the four SATC ladies and see the bad times, and maybe how to avoid those. To walk away from the commitment-phobe, to look for the man who loves them as opposed to ONLY looking for a good provider with good genetics.
If all women aged 25-40 truly embraced the SATC lifestyle, then I personally would not have women interested in me. Yet they are. So ask yourself maybe if your own cynicism (I get that from your reply) is why you are having trouble with women. I've had loads of trouble, but I try my hardest now not to let it get to me personally. Life's too short to be angry and down...plus it reflects out when you do meet better women.
As for casual sex, that's been happening for a lot longer than SATC. Look at the 1970s of all things! | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/30/2008 12:01:53 PM |
Sorry wonkabar...I was mixing up "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" with the "Dick Van Dyke Show".
No worries. Same actress, after all. 
And now, back to our story. | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/30/2008 12:39:52 PM | Not for me. My dating habits are NOT based on Sex & the City or any TV show.
Some of us rarely or never watch TV.
I know that there are some people who don't watch TV that often. But IMO only a very small percentage of people NEVER watch TV. | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/30/2008 2:05:20 PM | Your buddy is totally wrong in my opinion.
First of all sex in the city is such a fantasy its ridiculous. Those women are not that attractive and they range from their early 40's to Kim Cattrell who is now 52.
They are portrayed as wealthy yuppie white women who pretty much seem to rarely be working.
Every great looking guys in their 20's want them, and they end up rejecting some as if they have their pick of the litter. I am not attracted to them now so If I'm in my 20's I want a hot young girl, not a high maintenance mental 40 y/o woman.
If a woman is so obsessed with this show that they act like these women and think its real life, well you steer clear of them. It's like much of tv. fake. | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/30/2008 3:18:16 PM | | I have seen the odd episode, and fail to see how anyone could believe it has an effect. Surely everyone is old enough to know that things just don't happen that way. I don't know anyone like that. | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/30/2008 9:09:35 PM | My friends tell I have a way with words.
Anyways what I meant was yes Laurie Petrie, and that I seems they don't make simple women anyone. I don't mean intelligent wise but those that just want the simple things in life, traditional women. The world change in the mid-1980s and has become too much about materialism and what can you do for me, or how hot are you? Instead of traditional values that our society was founded on. And when I find some woman like that she's usually already snapped up. There aren't too many women that are looking for a hard working man that would make a good husband and father anymore. You have to be some type of "Uberman" . And shows like "Sex and the City" and people like Madonna and Brittany Spears are sending out the wrong messages. You know when I was a child women took to the streets to protest the high cost of milk? Values are gone, morals are gone, and respect for others and even respect for yourself is gone. | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/30/2008 10:52:24 PM | | The one episode that keeps springing to mind, is the episode where the dude broke up with Carrie by post-a-note. People may get ideas from shows or tv, but to actually blame their actions, or things that happen to them in life on television shows, well that's just pretty sad. | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/31/2008 10:17:23 AM | | Maybe there are some women who act like one of the main characters. But that is probably a coincidence. I don't think a large percentage of people do or say things just because they saw it on some TV show. | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/31/2008 3:55:37 PM | Heavens no!
The fantasy was around long before Sex and the City. In fact it was around long before television itself.
Have a look through any classic kiddies book. Handsome princes, white knights, and, at the other end, troll, and ogres. No regular salt of the earth guys. Either perfect men or perfect barstards. Thats where the blind fantasy come from.
The perfect example is the kids story Snow White and the Seven Dwarves. The real heroes of that story are seven little miners who take a lost girl into their home and who protect her while they aren't off working thier mine. They are the ones who kill the wicked witch. But she abandons them as soon as the handsome prince turns up. And, when you stop and think about it, he doesn't need to fight anybody to protect her. He turns up after the fight's all over. | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/31/2008 4:11:42 PM | Okay, I am fanatic about the show, and I just saw the movie. It was a fantastic movie, a little long (over 2hours).
I thank God for the creation of the show, I think men should worship the show as much as most female fans do. Men should watch the show and learn from it. The shows can really teach men of what every indenpendent, intelligent, successful women want in a relationship. The shows have taught me to have self-confident, to be expressive, that I can be selective as well as learning about fashion and the fashion labels. | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/31/2008 4:29:22 PM | Now, see, I agree with you, Sudchai. It's kind of funny because I can remember when SATC first started on HBO. I don't have HBO, so the only time I saw it during its original run was when I was traveling and caught an episode here and there.
I can remember being actually a bit shocked at first -- mainly because during those years, I was very much struggling with a lack of self-confidence with men. I would think, "Whoa! How can those gals be so sure of themselves?" Honestly, I didn't really care for the show then -- and again, keep in mind I was basing that on just a few episodes out of sequence.
When SATC went into syndication, I started to watch it more...and while I know that many fans object to the episodes' "censorship" for network and cable, I really got into the show much more that way! I've watched the seasons via DVDs (thanks, Netflix!) and while some storylines are sort of affected by lines and scenes being edited, I feel the stories hold up very well. As I watched more, I really began to understand how the characters of Carrie, Miranda, Samantha, and Charlotte reflect different aspects of women and relationships. And, keep in mind -- they are characters.
Over the years, I could identify with each of the four depending upon what was going on in my personal life. And yes -- I have seen the movie and it's a good "finale after the finale." (If you haven't seen it yet, I won't give away any spoilers...suffice it to say that Charlotte has a wonderful line all ready for Big, "I curse the day you were born!" It works within the context of the movie, believe me!)
Nope, I am not a New Yorker nor a drinker of Cosmos. However, there are some good insights on relationships and in particular, learning to want what we have. | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/31/2008 4:48:28 PM | | Just went to the movie last nite, and gentlemen, start your engines. There were all the hottest women there, dressed to the nines. If you want to be where the hot chix are, go see SATC tonight!!! QUICK! | |
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| Did Sex and the City ruin dating?
Posted: 5/31/2008 7:23:38 PM | Do you seriously assume that women date and choose partners according to what SATC suggests? It's a show, that's all. It's there for entertainment and I quite like it.
Jesus it never crossed my mind to behave according to a show character! That's so silly. If someone does, then they have issues.
I have no such fantasy. There is more to what people bring into relationships than money. And in any case, the show does not promote any such ideas? All of the women in there are high earners and they are after love, not money. | |
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