| Hitting too Close to Home?? Obama's Inner-most Thoughts
Posted: 5/24/2008 4:33:16 AM | You know, OP, I admit that I did not read through the entire first post...this is not the first time I have seen this "email", so I skimmed through it. You then came back and defended posting what you knew was a dirty tactic by reminding us that you provided the link to the actual truth. Obama's camp does not just "claim" these things were taken out of context, they actually were taken out of context and presented in a light that makes Obama look like a racist. You posted the twisted stuff out and out, bolding words, and threw in a link at the end that shows these things in a truthful light.
What were you hoping to accomplish here?
I have been to the Obama website many times, and find it very sad that his supporters have to be armed with the facts in such a way that is presented--"if you experience an attack on Obama's religion....here are the facts--if you receive this bogus email, here are the facts". It shows the overwhelming urge of people like you, to toss around lies and half truths. Why? Why are people so quick to spread these immature attempts to discredit the man like wildfire on the internet? I must have received the "Obama is a Muslim Extremist" email 4 or 5 times, from people on my list who have no connection to each other. They all forwarded it to their entire list....it saddens me.
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| Hitting too Close to Home?? Obama's Inner-most Thoughts
Posted: 5/24/2008 5:54:56 AM | | Thanks for the info..I went to his website and read the alleged facts and context of most issues... those statements epitomize everything that is wrong with Obama and his supporters...they don't really address the issues adequately and they point fingers elsewhere,this is the most prevalent tactic of the Obama supporters when dealing with the reality of Obama..look at the outlets that were referred to in most of most of the rebuttals..they are pretty much all Left wing media outlets , his own press releases,and statements made by him...doesn't add much to the case for Obama if the arguments for him are made by him and obviously pro Obama sources... | |
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| Hitting too Close to Home?? Obama's Inner-most Thoughts
Posted: 5/24/2008 5:59:30 AM | | Utter b u l l s h i t, Insolent. How do you get that Obama's website was "pointing fingers elsewhere" in the refutation of that email? How and where? I want you to post specific instances from his website that show me how it looks like he's pointing the finger. | |
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| Hitting too Close to Home?? Obama's Inner-most Thoughts
Posted: 5/24/2008 7:04:40 AM | | Do you nitwits REALLY think that if Obama gets in he will suddenly forget what he is and who he is and treat all equally without respect to race? Would you, given his circumstances? Why do you think 93% of the black vote is his? Or would be for any man of color running, regardless of what he says, unless he was a Klan supporter. If you are a member of the most oppressed minority other than possibly the jews in history you don't just say to yourself oh pshaw it was nothing, just a little slavery and whippings and so forth and let's just forgive and forget. | |
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| Hitting too Close to Home?? Obama's Inner-most Thoughts
Posted: 5/24/2008 7:05:00 AM | It should be pointed out that the rebuttal listed at the website in Post #1, is only an Obama fan, posting in a community blog at the website. It apparently isn't anything official. I originally thought it was one of Obama's campaign staff doing the rebuttal, because of where it was located. But not so. On re-inspection, seemingly its just someone out there who hopes to get Obama elected. Could have been anyone. Calls himself "Thor"..  So that may explain a lot.
However, there are multitudes of blogs out there, literally hundreds, which address the "missing link" quote 100% verbatim, the one Mr Thor said he couldn't find, and from those hundreds of perspectives, indicate it is indeed taken word-for-word from his book, "Dreams of My Father", as quoted.. So there's very little doubt is does exist in the book. There are also many other locations for the quotes, as listed in the original email, which suggest 'Thor' may have altered some of the verbiage in his version, and which state it exactly like the email.
It would be a real plus to actually have the text of the book itself. Without that, and without knowing precisely how the quotes originated, the absolute context cannot really be established. Maybe Mr Thor is accurate, maybe he's not. But then the same would apply to all those hundreds of other blogs and bloggers where that exact quote appears too. And those blogs, more often than not, are rather unkind to Mr Obama regarding the contents of his books, including several other questionable quotes which were not part of the email in Post #1..
So the bottom line is, it's quite clear that all of those quotes appear in his books, word-for-word. Only the context is not entirely clear at this point.
-Suth'nBoy
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| Hitting too Close to Home?? Obama's Inner-most Thoughts
Posted: 5/24/2008 7:05:43 AM | | Chevelle, the poster who pointed out the current national polls showing Obama with an 8 point lead over McCain is more accurate. Obama currently leads in every current poll where they both aren't tied as noted by Real Clear Politics that lists the polls. So let's not accuse someone of not knowing what's going on when they had it right even though the significance of the polls at this point is debatable. | |
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| Hitting too Close to Home?? Obama's Inner-most Thoughts
Posted: 5/24/2008 7:17:16 AM |
I notice you didn't mention anything about that part of my statement.....
If it matters if I checked them, I'll tell you. Yes I did. This is all we have to go on, "Thor's" postings on the site-which can be voted for deletion for inappropriate content. However, the simple fact that we all know these things were taken out of context constitutes trollishness.
This is the same as people taking one sentence out of the bible or the constitution, or even our own posts and spinning it in a direction it was not intended to go for the purpose of slandering what the person actually said and meant.
It is a lame attempt and most thinking people can see that. | |
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| Hitting too Close to Home?? Obama's Inner-most Thoughts
Posted: 5/24/2008 7:23:06 AM | As for your grading the thread and the OP Simm, somehow I don't recall asking you. But if I did, and just forgot or something, then knock yourself out!  Could we file that under 'C'est la vie'?
I guess I didn't realize you were the thread judge. You need to tell us these things in advance!! But I'll try to do better in the future, really, and try to never never post anything that suggests Obama is anything less than the new coming of the Messiah. Because I know he has you convinced of that.
-Suth'nBoy 
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| Hitting too Close to Home?? Obama's Inner-most Thoughts
Posted: 5/24/2008 7:32:58 AM | We're all thread judges and this one smells. I almost feel for Obama trashers who have four and probably eight long years ahead of them. Check that, I'll be in a state of schadenfreude the whole time.
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| Hitting too Close to Home?? Obama's Inner-most Thoughts
Posted: 5/24/2008 7:33:08 AM | However, the simple fact that we all know these things were taken out of context constitutes trollishness.
Simple Fact??? And precisely how it is we all know this again? Please elaborate..
Ohhhh.. such emotional appeal Mr Obama has on his fans. Overriding all sense of reason. Anything that might be construed as questionable they don't want to know! It's almost as though they have lost the ability to rationalize. What's with the love-affair thing anyway? He's simply a human being. Doesn't even play a flute! Even wears a tie and shoes. No sandals, no robes. No halo. Just regular stuff like everybody else..
-Suth'nBoy 
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| Hitting too Close to Home?? Obama's Inner-most Thoughts
Posted: 5/24/2008 7:44:35 AM | No, no, no! We will not accuse Suth to be trollish. We should offer our compassion for the ease of which he has been indoctrinated to a belief and we should be inspired to ensure that we too are not guilty of the same on our positions.
When I read "Op-eds" I understand that someone is crafting words to influence others to their own opinions. Even when I read one that echoes completely how I already feel, I always try to approach it with the understanding that there is another side or more to the issue and I look for something to explain a counterpoint.
I have avoided participating in debates over what is said and not said in Obama's books because I've not read them. In this post, Exo substantiated the irresponsibility of the columnist from whom Suth pulled for this post. But if someone quotes a sentence from a book to you to form your opinion for you, don't form an opinion without reading the book. Otherwise you are just becoming the columnist's Beotch. | |
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| Hitting too Close to Home?? Obama's Inner-most Thoughts
Posted: 5/24/2008 7:57:41 AM | Wow! That was most enlightening! 
Why not attempt to apply it yourself then?
By the way, just for the record, said columnist was very pro-Obama much like yourself. I merely offered his postings as an alternate point of view, to maintain some sense of balance and fairness. I don't see any attempt at balance from the other side. 
-Suth'nBoy 
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| Hitting too Close to Home?? Obama's Inner-most Thoughts
Posted: 5/24/2008 7:58:11 AM | | Msg39, I agree, and it's even worse if you can have your opinion formed (or even changed) by a mass e-mailing. Sounds like something out of a parody, like Will Ferrel as "Ricky Bobby" in the movie "Talladega Nights"........ "well, see here I KNOW all this about Obomo, or whatever his name is, I know he's unAmerican and a black supremist , becuz somebody done emailed it to me, plain and simple.." | |
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| Hitting too Close to Home?? Obama's Inner-most Thoughts
Posted: 5/24/2008 8:07:34 AM | Msg39, I agree, and it's even worse if you can have your opinion formed (or even changed) by a mass e-mailing. Sounds like something out of a parody, like Will Ferrel as "Ricky Bobby" in the movie "Talladega Nights"........"well, see here I KNOW all this about Obomo, or whatever his name is, I know he's unAmerican and a black supremist , becuz somebody done emailed it to me, plain and simple.."
Is that supposed to be a quote? Do you mind giving us the message number where that actually appears in this thread? Just for the record, you understand...
Surely you didn't just come up with all that on your own, out of the blue, did you?
-Suth'nBoy
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| Hitting too Close to Home?? Obama's Inner-most Thoughts
Posted: 5/24/2008 8:42:44 AM | I've read both of Obama's books.
The "flavor" of the first book and the "flavor" of the second book are as if written by two different people.
When I read the first book, my impression was that of a man who was being factual in his impression of the world around him as he grew up in Indonesia and Hawaii, then moving to the mainland. He seemed sincere in his description of day to day issues as he perceived them. I found other statements he made in the book more troubling that those that are posted. And because of that impression I had of Obama I went on to read his second book.
In reading the second book, I found it to be a book written with an agenda in mind. The whole "flavor" of the book changed.
I've always tried to encourage people to get as close to the source as possible. This example is no exception. And after you've read the original version of his first book (don't pick up the 2nd edition--keep in mind edits are made in updated editions--you don't want to miss a single word). Then I encourage you to read the second book.
I don't remember specifically if the initial quotes are legitimate or not. The quotes do follow the "flavor" of the first book though. I don't doubt they are in the published copy.
There were other statements and feelings he expressed in the book that troubled me so much I couldn't get past them. I walked away from reading the first book saying to a friend, "how could this man, who had all the advantages in life growing up have such contempt for white people?"
My discomfort in his first book with his candid description of his feelings was what lead me to continue to do further investigation by reading the second book.
The first book IMO was written by a man who was sincere about sharing his emotions of a child's experiences growing up. The second book IMO seemed to be written without emotional content with a political agenda in mind. (a feel good book). Had I have read both books without knowing the author I would have said they were not written by the same person.
Regarding the quotes taken out of context. I urge -- again -- everyone to go to their local library and check out the first book Obama wrote. It's important to read the whole book and understand the context of the book. The context of the book overall is troubling for me as a white person and will undoubtedly resonate with blacks.
I walked away feeling that the context of the book was one of contempt to the white, and his ability to recognize early on how to achieve his goals through manipulation.
I strongly urge everyone to read that first book. It's a good read.
Having been in the publishing industry it's important to point out that things are sometimes altered in updated versions. I urge you to read the original publishing of his book and stray away from updated publish dates. | |
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| Hitting too Close to Home?? Obama's Inner-most Thoughts
Posted: 5/24/2008 8:44:50 AM |
By the way, just for the record, said columnist was very pro-Obama much like yourself.
The funny thing Suth is that I am not as Pro-Obama as I am against the nonsense like your original post.
So I'm Pro-Obama because I reject the ignorance of posts like this one? Give me something real Brother! Something that sets him apart in negatives and not all of these things that merely argues that he might be just as bad as the other candidates because what's my motivation to choose between Rezko, McDougal, and Keating? I prefer someone who hasn't screwed me yet over those who already have. | |
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| Hitting too Close to Home?? Obama's Inner-most Thoughts
Posted: 5/24/2008 9:19:55 AM | It is a very real possibility that the racial balance of power could be shifted under Obama. I fully expect my white brethren to be out in the fields picking cotton or in the factories working for their black bosses. Hopefully, I can get a position as a house worker. Everyone knows those are the best jobs. But you know what? I'll still vote for him because as a guilty white man, I deserve it.
OK, I kid, I kid... it's much more realistic that Obama will award, at taxpayers' expense, reparations to black people descended from slaves. Then we'll have to endure a bunch of people driving big purple Caddies around yelling, "I'm rich! I'm rich beyatch!!" Dave Chapell saw it coming long ago... | |
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| Hitting too Close to Home?? Obama's Inner-most Thoughts
Posted: 5/24/2008 9:48:16 AM | Jafo, great post.. And I couldn't agree more.. Very insightful conclusions too.
I think it's pretty certain that the quotes exist in the books. Even the pro-Obama blogger "Thor" at the Obama web site, who was attempting to refute the implications in the circulating email, agreed that all but perhaps one quote were part of the books. He just couldn't locate that one. But many others, elsewhere, say it does indeed exist and word-for-word. It's just a matter of where within the book, and what the context really was. It's a shame you can't text search the book as in an electronic document.
But I have a question for you. A very good point about what edition one might read, as opposed to later editions. No doubt the original would be closer to the core of the issue and more definitive, prior to any updates. How might one tell the difference in this case? Dates? Numbers?
-Suth'nBoy
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| Hitting too Close to Home?? Obama's Inner-most Thoughts
Posted: 5/24/2008 9:49:38 AM | South,
you are a real 'die-hard' I am starting to doubt where is your heart in all this.
Before I saw some serious attempts to discuss the issues at hand in this election on your part. Now, seeing that your posts are reaching the low level (kind of reminds me of Pocoloco's style) of discussion, I am starting to think that you were one of the Hillary or McCain people, lying about where they stand on the issues, so they can continue attacking Obama, especially in relation to the "race" issue.
I see that you are not using "racialist" but now you are using "activist" with the same derogatory connotations.
I am honest in my opinion about this thread that you started. My question is: Are interested in fanning the winds of division to benefit McCain? | |
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| Hitting too Close to Home?? Obama's Inner-most Thoughts
Posted: 5/24/2008 10:41:35 AM |
I urge -- again -- everyone to go to their local library and check out the first book Obama wrote. It's important to read the whole book and understand the context of the book.
Suth if you agree with Jafo (eloquent post BTW Jafo) then you are reading this after getting home from the library. Then maybe your point can be made but done so with actual knowledge as does Jaf. | |
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| Hitting too Close to Home?? Obama's Inner-most Thoughts
Posted: 5/24/2008 11:14:10 AM | With e'mails like this... and others I've seen... and things I've heard people, even my own family, say... I really don't think this country can bring itself to elect a black person president. Certainly not one with ANY connections to black culture.
It seems like there might be plenty of reasons not to vote for Obama... but his ethnicity seems to be the shallowest, and as usual the shallow reason is the most convincing.
It's sad and stupid and shameful... another reason to be embarrassed for this country. | |
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| Hitting too Close to Home?? Obama's Inner-most Thoughts
Posted: 5/24/2008 11:18:39 AM | itech, you either need some kind of hobby or a girlfriend. You are spending WAY TOO MUCH time online, and it shows. Behavioral patterns are crystal clear, and you're not making any sense. But you haven't been for a while now. I agree with Jafo, as stated, but I seldom agree with you. And now is no exception. However, that matters not.
What say while you are still here, we try to spend a little more time 'on-topic'?
-Suth'nBoy
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