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Posted: 5/28/2008 7:16:34 AM | I reckon that like most, the 'Smarts' thing really should be renamed 'Education' or something . . or just deleted as irrelevant.
But the 'Do you have a car' option is nearly as silly but I'd want it to list the number of cars. That's important, right?
Of course it's now impossible for me to be taken seriously (no news there, then  ) given that like Jethro from The Beverly Hillbillies, I dun graduated from the tenth grade.
I wouldn't mind doing one of Kobalts Engineering Graphics and Design lectures though. | |
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Posted: 5/28/2008 11:28:47 PM | | I am so called *book smarts* (with all my after high school education) and Love a tradey. | |
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Posted: 5/29/2008 3:26:51 AM | Personally I think this whole thread is not real smart!
But as a general rule, I find the people who think they are smart are the ones who actually arent. I think life experiences are what make people switched on and interesting not a load of letters after their name.
But what the hell would I know cos im not the sharpest tool in the shed!!
Hilly RN.......(stands for rooly noice!) | |
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Posted: 5/29/2008 3:56:07 AM | Mmmm this thread has been definately thought provoking but for the record I just wanted to share this.
Ive attended like a billion funerals (obviously) and heard endless eulogies about the deceased...some have been honest, funny, poignant, incredibley sad, gutwrenching , memorable, uplifting and sometimes brutal..however I can honestly say that no eulogy has ever dwelt on how "smart" the deceased was, nor how "intelligent", or how "educated" they were unless they were like a Nobel Prize winning Scientist !!!... what the eulogies did focus on was what they had achieved as a person, as a parent, a sibling, a son or daughter, as a friend and also as a member of society.
The eulogy usually focuses on the decease's dreams and ambitions, what they had accomplished as a human being...education, profession, trade etc is mentioned but normally as a passing reference...but usually the eulogies contain uplifting and inspirational stories about the deceased, funny ancedotes and factual information about their lives....not dissecting them by their intellect or how many degrees they did or didn't have... etc....
Protagoras (Greek Philosopher) said...that man is the measure of ALL things.........and on your death bed you are not judged on what you are but who you are....and the bottom line this is all that really matters...who you are to others....and what kind of person you are.....its how your remembered and what lessons you have taught to others that matters....whether you walked your talk.
And perhaps thats what we should all focus on......just being "good" people... doing the best we can with what we have...trying to give each day and being gracious in receiving....we need all types in this world to make it functional and interesting....yep even Paris Hilton apparently has a place here...and perhaps POF although Im sure the intentions were good, should rethink that particular drop box....
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Posted: 5/29/2008 4:09:11 AM | Good point..Pookie..i've never seen a head stone or wall plaque with letters in front of the deceaseds name.
On a lighter note..Yogi must've had a masters degree in something......he always claimed to be smarter than the average bear, just a thought, but i'm only a tradie.
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Posted: 5/29/2008 4:16:11 AM | I think there is a danger in trying to use education as just another way of trying to inflate our social status. A good education and the skills you learn can be put to better uses than just using it to 'shove it' in other people's noses. A good medical or legal education for example, equips you with some very powerful tools you can use to build a better community and world and also make people's lives better, and I think that is more important than worrying about your social status.
I find snobbery in any form pretty annoying and repulsive. | |
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Posted: 5/29/2008 4:26:35 AM | I've seen some bloody hopless tradies.....in numerous fields, as for people with letters in front of their name......i'm sure most of you are aware of Dr Jayant Patel's work, aka Dr Death.
Not everyone with a piece of paper is proficent in their so called chosen field. | |
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Posted: 5/29/2008 6:16:58 AM | Any bastarrd is a bastarrd whether educated or not educated, at the end of the day a bastarrd is a bastarrd.
BUT the only difference between an educated bastarrd and uneducated bastarrd is the educated one has a certified paper to pass him/her through shallow eyes of society.
I will gladly go and talk to a person who lives on the street and learn a thing or two from them...I am sure some of the things I will learn I would never have the opportunity to learn at most universities. ...as long as there is no commitment of any kind and I can walk away free from getting to know people, I am happy to learn from anyone and all. | |
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Posted: 5/29/2008 9:34:49 AM | Off Topic Posting removed. Address the topic and not other posters.
The question/discussion that this thread pertains to is
How relevant is education level? .. And do people actually factor that in when they are considering meeting someone on line?
If your comment is not related to those questions then do not make it
Thanks to those who remained on topic.
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Posted: 5/29/2008 9:42:43 AM | Some of the "smartest" people I've ever known have had little or no conventional educational, the one who sticks out most in my mind was abandoned as a baby, fostered, abused, ended up in boys' homes etc so had basically no real schooling but was the smartest person I've ever met. At the end of the day who cares? I'm not looking for someone to check my spelling, I have enough education and read enough books, just as long as they can hold their own in an intelligent conversation
ronda 
p.s. this is my first experience with "under review" or whatever, whats that about?
It simply means the thread is being reviewed by a moderator, due to posting violations, it is locked to give the moderator time to clean the thread and deal with the violations ~*~Puddles~*~ | |
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Posted: 5/29/2008 5:25:41 PM | In my work I have the opportunity to talk with people from all walks of life, some are scholastically brilliant...others less so. But i have found that most people at some time in our lives become susceptible to emotional crisis, hopefully for most it is short lived and as our circumstances change we regather strength, pick ourselves up and dust ourselves down and make the best of what we can. The thing that causes me most sadness is the lack of personal insight and denial and from my observations socioeconomic background nor education play important roles in this department. Emotional harmony for me is the only true criteria in measuring a persons wealth as a human being.
Education and qualifications do have an important role to play in regards to having proof of ones preferred discipline, but wisdom without humanity is akin to power without respect.
I'm sure a few of you have read some of my posts before and I would be the first to admit that i carry a sense of unease about my ability to communicate through this sort of medium, but i still like to believe that most of us here believe it's who we are not what we posses that truly matters. | |
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Posted: 5/29/2008 8:59:38 PM | Intelligence is the key to everything that we hold dear as human beings. Life is all about survival after all and if natural selection doesn't get you, then the dog eat dog world out there will. Oh hang on, it's the same thing.
Education is relevant to what a person is and does. It's relevant to that person. What an Electrical engineer and a Bachelor of Criminal Justice have in common is probably their taste in coffee and the fact that they invested time and money in furthering their education. Ultimately, for most people, it's about job security. For others academia is a way of life, they love learning and the feeling of accomplishment and satisfaction it gives them. A goal that they set and achieve and I assume find most empowering. So you may have a person with a PhD who is still studying, though the fact that they possibly have a HECS debt equal to the national debt of Botswana, probably isn't something that will become immediately apparent til after marriage. Still, at least you'll have the smarts to do something about it.
I'm a little disappointed that the administrators decided it's member population was actually interested in searching those terms, but Canada is the most educated country on earth, albeit with a much higher crime and unemployment rate than just about any other western country including Britain, but that could be another thread.
PS: How relevant does a post have to be to not get deleted? | |
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Posted: 5/30/2008 12:02:37 AM | Liveandlovewell - you said that educated people were:
pompous, arrogant, boorish, boring, humourless, joyless, totally taking themselves way too seriously and having an extreme inability for mirth, merriment or general lightheartedness.
I am 'educated' but I assure you that I am not any of those things. Also, everyone I work with is either an accountant or a lawyer (or both) and some of them are right clowns. I find your comments judgemental and insulting - was that your intent?.
You also then went on to say:
[ I believe more that EDUCATED = lucky, privileged and possessing a very good memory for facts, dates and figures.]
That may have been the case a hundred years ago when only the wealthy or connected could go to university. These days it no longer holds true. In my case I went to uni as a mature age student at 34 with a six and three year old. I agree I was lucky to have the opportunity (just as I am sure you could if you wished) but I can assure you that I was NOT priviledged as I incurred a substantial HECS debt which I had to pay off. Also, I don't think my memory is particularly good (in fact, it's downright awful!) but I'm sure working damn hard and arising each morning at 4am to study before the kids awoke had something to do with it.
Why did I go to uni at such a mature age? I saw that all the good jobs I wanted required a degree. The injustice of it! Then I figured I could rant at the system all I wanted and nothing would change. So I decided if I couldn't beat 'em then I'd join 'em. So I did and I have never looked back.
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Posted: 5/30/2008 3:08:39 AM | Call me a pompous snob, but I do think some level of intelligence is important.
Education level is not necessarily a measure of intelligence as in many cases it's a measure of opportunity and/or lifestyle choice. Many of the smartest kids I grew up with are very successful tradespeople, business owners etc. Of course some of them went on to tertiary education and were successful there as well.
We all filter others according to what we find acceptable, and it reflects in the people we choose to hang out with. Smartness, sense of humour, personality, physical attributes, success, earthiness, values, religion, sporting interests, common passtimes... lots of things weigh in when look for compatibility in people out there...
For me it's important that someone can be witty and have skin thick enough to not get easily offended. Argumentive types are often very intelligent but are too much hard work to be around.
Yeah, I'm attracted to ladies who are switched on, alert and alive, and cruisy at the same time... I'm not attracted to negative, dull, lifeless lounge lizards.
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Posted: 5/30/2008 6:21:12 AM | "Ultimately, for most people, it's about job security. For others academia is a way of life, they love learning and the feeling of accomplishment and satisfaction it gives them. A goal that they set and achieve and I assume find most empowering. So you may have a person with a PhD who is still studying, though the fact that they possibly have a HECS debt equal to the national debt of Botswana, probably isn't something that will become immediately apparent til after marriage."
I think these comments reflect a lot of my own reasons for studying. I decided to study law for several reasons; I didn't seem to be progressing much in my work, I wanted better pay and greater job security, and I have always enjoyed reading and studying. I also wanted to make more of a difference in terms of social justice in the community. The HECS liability for a law degree is quite substantial, but that has to balanced with the opportunities and doors that are opened with a degree in the profession. While I am still in the early stages of my studies, it is very rewarding as well as challenging.
I don't think there is anything wrong in being proud of your own legitimate achievements, provided they are won by hard work. An education or trade skill should be no different. But, there is a difference between just self-love of one's worth, virtues and accomplishments, and inflated and unjustified snobbery based on class. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2008 6:45:17 AM | Smart is #1 with me!
Smart comes from many places. Education isn't everything!
Reading, travel & life! That's a real education for me!
Humour is not something that you can teach anyone. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2008 7:51:21 AM | Then there's always Smarts vs Experience.
Last year I passed in High School was year 8 (drinking just seemed like more fun...) I went to a bit of year 9 and a little less of year 10. I remember being told by my teachers I would never amount to anything.
I got into Childcare and about 10 years later was pushed (shoved kicking and screaming) into doing my Diploma. 3 1/2 weeks later I had a Qualification.
10 years of experience gave me just about everything I needed to get that Diploma done in record time (well, I don't know if it was a record, never checked).
Now I am working with chics who actually did the whole 4 years of the Diploma and don't know a damm thing.
How important are smarts?? Personally I have a little trouble dating someone who is content to live at home forever and work a job that means they never have to work hard but can hang out with their mates all day and have fun. I work in one of the lowest paid proffessions in Australia so the thought of living with someone who earns less than me scares me. I worry about having a baby and living on a low wage because the guy wants to have a cruisy job.
Smarts isn't so much an issue for me but stability is. I tend to stick to Tradies, Military that kind of thing. I know it sounds awful but I want someone who is going to be able to work or find work easily.
Ambition and drive are just turn ons for me. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2008 9:53:03 AM | The funny thing with education, is that we only ever know what we know....
So, those that don't have it (or have studied in a different field)... can sometimes think that's all there is to know, because they really are none the wiser.
Expanding our perspective is good. A willingness to expand our perspective is even better.
Judging potential partners on an academic attainment (or even their job stability ^^ for that matter), just suggests to me that the judge is uneducated in matters of the heart. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2008 5:07:05 PM | Being educated does not mean your are smarter than the average person, because the avarage person can do a degree, it takes persistence and hard work, if you can do hat you can earn a degree.
Yes I do look at education, ts just one of ther factors, not having a higher education does not stop me from contacting or dating someone if there are other things in their profile that attract me.
Seems to be a bit of an attitude in some of these threads that suggest personal issues are coming out.
I have one degree currently working on my second and proud of it, and I am doing it because the second one will help me reach my goals....to those who knock people who aspire to higher education either you need to grow up or get a life....perhaps both.
Having a degree doesnt show smarts but does indicate the ability to stick at something that takes committement and sacrifice, excellent qualities for stable longterm relationships | |
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Posted: 5/31/2008 5:30:26 PM | op. biobabe...How relevant is education level? .. And do people actually factor that in when they are considering meeting someone on line?
Yes they do. Clearly it is a factor or it wouldnt be up there on our profiles as a choice to share with others. Should it be? 64ooo dollar question. I know extremely smart people who are incredible dumb. People who are gifted academically may not be gifted mechanically . In higher education a philosphy student may well not be unable to build /design /engineer a toothpick. Or a Computer geek maynot be able to comprehend the dynamics of enertia /physics.
Its all in the theory of relativitiy..( haha get it!! )
In the Qld MENSA association.. while many actually do have degrees, doctorates, and the like it is the plumber, pastry chef who with their blue collar outlook who are as smart and smarter than than these in some cases.
I have seen on mens profiles they would like a proffessional or career driven woman. This indicates to me these women would possibly have degrees etc. So it does matter to them . They may see that as a commitment to a higher level of achievement and dedication or even simply a pay packet.
It does not matter to me if you went to uni, high school etc. It matters to me if your people smart. It also matters to me that your employable. On any level. Who here would employ Allan Bond, or Ted Bundy. Clearly smart men but not employable!
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I have a friend who has a dual degree and doctorate etc but just this weekend at a 21st we attended he didnt stuck out like a sore thumb but he couldnt chat and mingle interact with the normal social graces. He is not a interlectual snob, he just has not people smarts. He has not got aspergers or any of the other socially popular explanations for behaviour. Hes just plain dumb when it comes to people and he knows it and laughs about it with us. Would I date someone like him ... no. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2008 5:39:05 PM | I dont believe the persons education level really reflects the person in a dating scenario so much...As a lot of you have already quoted...a person can be educated to the hilt yet cannot hold a simple conversation or crack a joke....Personally I dont mind what ever kind of job someone has to date them like I have noticed in the forums some of the ladies do...If we all had employent expectations of people we dated then single mums(who are not working cos of leooking after kids) would never get a look in...
Besides on a date i am not really interested in discussing the big bang theory or get a lecture in astro physics ...on the other hand i dont want the person to be as dumb as a plank either...lol...Once again it comes down to the way people click not so much what educational papers they have tucked away in therir cupboard...
cheerz all be safe and be well | |
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Posted: 5/31/2008 5:51:02 PM | I dont think most women would mind what kind of job a man does as long as he has one. Being unemployed is totally unacceptable in my eyes, just shows someone who is a lazy bludger. But the chicks who will only chat to certain professions or people with certain education levels are probably the b1tches you want to keep away from anyway.
I have a theory that the ones who demand a highly educated man are actually the ones who are themselves deficient (be it education wise or social wise).
Personally I want to chat with people who can hold an interesting conversation about something other then their degrees. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2008 7:30:07 PM | Besides on a date i am not really interested in discussing the big bang theory
haha monaro.. am I spose to let that go un noticed...lol
Some women like to date men who on a date are interested in a big bang theory or even the practical side of it! Now I know your far to smart to reply to that lol
Judging potential partners on an academic attainment (or even their job stability ^^ for that matter), just suggests to me that the judge is uneducated in matters of the heart.
Very Insightful understudy. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2008 8:38:31 PM | well vegemite pls define your interpretation of the big bang theory or also the practical side of it and wether that will impact on the smarts level of your date...would that also entail varying conversation during the date of black holes and othe anomolies
cheerz all be safe and be well | |
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Posted: 5/31/2008 9:00:05 PM | monaro my little astronaut..
You know my theory on the big bang! The bigger the better and loud..ooo nice and loud, now I dont have the choice of black holes you do but...there are a couple I can think of.
^^^^^how is that relevant to this thread .....
Well as an educated guess smarts on a date is important ... many people are witty and smart.. but many also use it to berate and belittle or lord their ability.. . that is not smart or particually well educated in the art of converstation and relationship skills.. but a good banter is alot more soothing to the soul than the theory of inertia..
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