| 30 mph at 05.30 - what's that all about?
Posted: 5/27/2008 3:47:14 PM | Yes. Lets change the law so that people can just do what they personally think is appropriate at any given time.
I imagine that would make a few Sun reading lynch mobs happy if that logic was extended to to other areas as well. | |
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| 30 mph at 05.30 - what's that all about?
Posted: 5/27/2008 7:32:23 PM | speed limits are there for a reason but have to say some speed limits are too low in places ie long straight duel carrageways with a 30/40 mph limit hmm get real!
also someone mentioned accidets with pedestrians now what gets my back up here is papers/statistics grrrr
child gets hit by car
person gets hit by car
wheres the child/person steps out infront and causes accident repors/statistics? | |
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| 30 mph at 05.30 - what's that all about?
Posted: 5/28/2008 7:11:57 AM | ^^^^ agree 100%
most speed limits make sense but some are just wrong for the type of road and need to be reviewed.
Stopping distances are a joke....
so much depends on type of car or motorbike, weather conditions, type of road, I could go on
I think that crossing the road as a pedestrian should be illegal unless at a proper crossing, that would seriously reduce the number of accidents.
I know stats can be fudged to whatever angle you want them to promote, but speed is often only a secondary factor in most accidents. Driver awareness/ability is normally the first factor. | |
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| 30 mph at 05.30 - what's that all about?
Posted: 5/30/2008 2:36:45 AM | in responce to iceglide nice idea but can you see the carnage as somebody tries to overtake some dipstick who is sat in the middle lane doing 55mph and gets shunted by a vehicle doing 140+mph ..... its all down to common sense and how these days it does seem to be running out (shock horror world shortage on common sense ) | |
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| 30 mph at 05.30 - what's that all about?
Posted: 5/30/2008 4:03:54 AM | | agree with msg 4. ,,round my area,honestly its like a freakin race track,absouluty craopola cars with massive exhausts,,beepin horns at eachother,racing up and down.,they should be banned............*has his moan for today.* | |
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| 30 mph at 05.30 - what's that all about?
Posted: 5/30/2008 6:41:21 AM | I'm kind of with the OP; I get to attend my speed awareness thing next week after doing 37 in a 30 at 23:35 - my own stupid fault though sat nav thing beeped and I was too dumb to slow down. Won't be driving through Bath again at the time of the night in a hurry 
Really, though the limit is there for a reason and though there are unlikely to be any children or elderly people throwing themselves into the road at that time of the night there may well be people who've had a drink or two and they have a better chance of survival at 30 than 40 too so I think it's sound.
Off topic but along the same lines - I did laugh last night driving home from work, I was my usual mellow self doing 60 on the country roads (legal for once) and a Citroen C2 overtook me just before a bend must have been doing 80 if he was doing anything, he got past me safe enough though but a mile or so down the road I passed him with a wheel all buckled, he must have clipped a kerb or something on another bend - evil? Moi?  | |
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| 30 mph at 05.30 - what's that all about?
Posted: 5/30/2008 7:11:46 AM | I have no sympathy for people who speed etc. You find it is only the people who get caught by the cameras that complain....well you know if you wanna break the law then pay the price is my motto.
As for raising the speed limits at night, what a STUPID idea, that gives kids who often are up at 3am-5am drinking and doing whatever they like an excuse to go out there and tear down a country road at a speed. which is just great if you happen to be walking around at that time of the night (say finishing work for instance) and get hit by a car doing 40mph in a 30mph zone...yep thats pretty much gonna ruin your day...
The limits are there for a reason, and that reason is to protect lifes, like some other posters have said, you may think you are being responsible, but there are others out there who wouldn't be, maybe you would change your tune if you got hit by one of those....
stupid stupid post. | |
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| 30 mph at 05.30 - what's that all about?
Posted: 5/30/2008 8:44:29 AM | So no one delivers papers round by you then? Or milk???
There are plenty of people out and about before 6 am around here, including our paper boy who delivers at approx 6 am ..
Speed restrictions are there for a good reason ..
Ok so it irritates you but I'm sure you'd rather be irritated than sickened by the flashbacks of the sensation of your rear wheels going over the body of the child you nearly missed ..... | |
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| 30 mph at 05.30 - what's that all about?
Posted: 5/30/2008 8:57:42 AM | | Well folks there are 2 people in hospital here in Dublin after a 5 car collision at 2.30am the other morning!! We all think we are the only ones on the roads at that hour but afraid not! Deliveries, night shifts, people going to and from the airport - all at different times day and night. | |
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| 30 mph at 05.30 - what's that all about?
Posted: 5/30/2008 11:30:58 AM | Ok so it irritates you but I'm sure you'd rather be irritated than sickened by the flashbacks of the sensation of your rear wheels going over the body of the child you nearly missed
Wondered how long it would take someone to pull out the "Won't somebody please think of the children?" card.
The moment kids are used as a shield in debate, is the moment that debate becomes an idiotic waste of space being perpetuated by people with no rational opinion.
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| 30 mph at 05.30 - what's that all about?
Posted: 5/30/2008 12:28:21 PM | Ok so it irritates you but I'm sure you'd rather be irritated than sickened by the flashbacks of the sensation of your rear wheels going over the body of the 40 year old you nearly missed .....
Better?
Makes no odds what time of day it is .. Speed limits are there for a reason and a damned good one IMO ..... | |
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| 30 mph at 05.30 - what's that all about?
Posted: 5/30/2008 12:39:20 PM | two races back, the current World Rally Champion, Sebastian Loeb had a head on crash with his team mate on a public road at speeds of less than 30mph.
Both thought they were the only car on that stretch of road and in a strange twist of fate both were distracted as they came round a bend, one talking to his passenger, one glancing down at the footwell.
If one of the worlds best can prang his £1/2 mil car then what hope does your average person have! | |
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| 30 mph at 05.30 - what's that all about?
Posted: 5/30/2008 12:46:53 PM | | I dont suppose it matters wether its a child, drunk walking into the road, milkman, paper boy or tired or unattentive driver that causes the accident, fact is that at 30mph, these accidents are more survivable, speed limits are there for that reason, simple. | |
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| 30 mph at 05.30 - what's that all about?
Posted: 5/30/2008 1:02:01 PM | two races back, the current World Rally Champion, Sebastian Loeb had a head on crash with his team mate on a public road at speeds of less than 30mph.
Since they were both below the speed at which a speed (sorry, 'safety') camera would have been triggered does it perhaps not show that actually paying attention to the road might pay more dividends in terms of accident reduction than seeking to inflexibly punish people for straying a few mph over posted limits?
I have observed people paying more attention to their speedometers in order to avoid being caught by a camera than actually observing and reacting to prevailing road conditions....... | |
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| 30 mph at 05.30 - what's that all about?
Posted: 5/30/2008 1:16:11 PM | sorry but if you are any sort of driver you would know what speed you were doing more or less, the cameras as far as I am aware have a 5mph saftey limit, so if you are going over 35mph you will get caught, stop complaining about something that is there to prevent you from breaking the law.
The cameras work in my opinon and I personally think there should be a damn more of them around, that way people may actually become better drivers...
And anyway this post was not originally about speed cameras, it was about raising the speed limits on a 30mph road at night so try and stay on topic the poster above... | |
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| 30 mph at 05.30 - what's that all about?
Posted: 5/30/2008 1:17:42 PM |
two races back, the current World Rally Champion, Sebastian Loeb had a head on crash with his team mate on a public road at speeds of less than 30mph.
Does not that actually demonstrate that even the most experienced and expert drivers make mistakes?
Yes, it's annoying to have to stick to the speed limits when the roads are deserted but take it easy and walk away from an incident rather than find the answer to other forum questions like, is there life after death? | |
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| 30 mph at 05.30 - what's that all about?
Posted: 5/30/2008 3:17:36 PM | Ok so it irritates you but I'm sure you'd rather be irritated than sickened by the flashbacks of the sensation of your rear wheels going over the body of the child you nearly missed Wondered how long it would take someone to pull out the "Won't somebody please think of the children?" card. Ok so it irritates you but I'm sure you'd rather be irritated than sickened by the flashbacks of the sensation of your rear wheels going over the body of the 40 year old you nearly missed ..... Better?
Much, thanks. You've restored my faith
I dont suppose it matters wether its a child, drunk walking into the road, milkman, paper boy or...
^^^ what he said.
at 30mph, these accidents are more survivable, speed limits are there for that reason, simple.
But not that bit, as that's just tired old mindless rhetoric.
Accidents are caused by bad driving, and bad driving occurs at any speed.
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SanToki (Opposed to the use of children as emotional bartering tools)
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| 30 mph at 05.30 - what's that all about?
Posted: 5/30/2008 5:52:32 PM | ^^^^^^^
Brilliant idea - everybody knows what their capabilities are , don't they?
Why not just give every idiot a gun and say 'have a pop' at other drivers & pedestrians.
You had to be joking. | |
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| 30 mph at 05.30 - what's that all about?
Posted: 5/30/2008 6:39:37 PM | | Laws are applicable 24 hours a day. Not when you feel like applying them. Extenuating circumstances could be applied to every law, but at the end of the day, a law was broken...pay for it....move on. | |
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| 30 mph at 05.30 - what's that all about?
Posted: 5/31/2008 1:59:50 AM | Someone here said there's little difference between stopping distance at 30mph and 40mph.
30mph = 75ft
40mph = 120ft.
45ft difference. I'd say that's a major difference, possibly the difference between life and death for a small child.
Someone else said that the stopping distances vary from car to car and person to person, so they are invalid. That person misses the point. They are right that it varies from car to car, person to person, but unless they are suggesting we each have our own speed limit calculated by the car we are driving, our reaction time, and whether we happen to be alert or sluggish that day, the only sensible choice is to impose a speed limit based on worst case scenario, I.E. based on the average person's average reaction and the average car. | |
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| 30 mph at 05.30 - what's that all about?
Posted: 5/31/2008 2:12:56 AM | I dont think that its "tired old mindless rhetoric" to say that accidents that happen at slower speeds are more survivable, its physics, with a bit of common sense thrown in, and to say that bringing children into the mix makes it an "idiotic" argument, really shows how little you know about the subject, if you can drive around all day without thinking of the possibility of a child walking out from behind a parked vehicle then I'm afraid you should'nt be on the road, and to say that accidents are caused by bad driving is not true either, there are allsorts of different causes of accidents, as I'm sure you know.
While I can sympathise with the o.p. about speed limits on empty roads, I personally would rather have to stand on the brakes at 30, and have a good chance of avoiding a hazard than try it at 40 or 50 and live with the consequencies. | |
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| 30 mph at 05.30 - what's that all about?
Posted: 5/31/2008 3:13:15 AM | msg 49, hmmmm actually that's not a bad suggestion, I like the idea of different lanes for different scenarios.
My VR4 has amazing acceleration and handling but rubbish brakes, so that would be in the "fast but leave big gaps" lane.
The 220 has awesome stopping power but understears so that'd be in the "not quite so fast, but ok to tailgate" lane
And my Mondeo would be in the "never goes fast enough to run someone over" lane which it could share with caravans.
wow, the M42 is gonna be 50 lanes wide at this rate | |
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