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 Barbe1963

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Posted: 5/27/2008 7:33:18 PM

Obama's been targeted with assassination threats, and Clinton referenced a political race ended by a bullet late in the primary cycle. Not really a smart thing to say, with those preexisting facts in place
Get the difference ?.

No actually I don't. I read what she said, and I didn't feel for a minute that she was suggesting that Obama might be assasinated. She was saying, "hey, anything could happen, why should I pull out until the fat lady sings" A desperate speech from a desperate woman trying to keep her ship afloat if you ask me, not a suggestion that Obama is going to be targeted by killers.

And Simmah, I have to disagree with you also. Wrong information is wrong information, and not only was he wrong about the camp, he was wrong about the relative. Come on, don't you think that something as important as a speech on Memorial Day you'd take the time to get it right?

Please understand, I'm not trying to figure out who is the wrongest. I think they've both been sticking their feet in their mouths, and I'm wondering where their speech writers are, but I am more amazed at the reaction of you posters. I'm sorry but I find it hypocritical that you jump on one for her misspeak, but excuse the other.
 Barbe1963

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Posted: 5/27/2008 7:34:29 PM

Obama's been targeted with assassination threats, and Clinton referenced a political race ended by a bullet late in the primary cycle. Not really a smart thing to say, with those preexisting facts in place
Get the difference ?.

No actually I don't. I read what she said, and I didn't feel for a minute that she was suggesting that Obama might be assasinated. She was saying, "hey, anything could happen, why should I pull out until the fat lady sings" A desperate speech from a desperate woman trying to keep her ship afloat if you ask me, not a suggestion that Obama is going to be targeted by killers.

And Simmah, I have to disagree with you also. Wrong information is wrong information, and not only was he wrong about the camp, he was wrong about the relative. Come on, don't you think that something as important as a speech on Memorial Day you'd take the time to get it right?

Please understand, I'm not trying to figure out who is the wrongest. I think they've both been sticking their feet in their mouths, and I'm wondering where their speech writers are, but I am more amazed at the reaction of you posters. I'm sorry but I find it hypocritical that you jump on one for her misspeak, but excuse the other. And IMHO, that is what is offensive.
 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 5/27/2008 7:39:26 PM
I have only been so loud about Hillary's misspeak because I heard it was three times. At first when I heard it, I was just as ready to dismiss it as the next guy. I do think they are very tired and really..imagine the speaking they do. That's all they do, talk all day long. They can't be perfect. Lord knows I say some stupid things at work and I don't talk a fraction of the volumes of talking they do. But the three times saying the RFK thing, and the Bosnia thing three times (two of them after she got called out on it), I just think it's creepy. I'm not trying to dismiss what he said, I don't know enough about the Holocaust to say who might or might not be offended by this statement. But I think in the grand scheme, it was not too terribly bad.
 Barbe1963

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Posted: 5/27/2008 7:54:26 PM
Yes, that is exactly what I am doing, imagining the speaking they are both doing. I'm just amazed at the onesideness of the understanding by much of this forum. I think they both deserve a couple "Get out of jail, and forgive my big fat mouth cards" At least until the real race is on!
 Insolent1

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Posted: 5/27/2008 9:40:02 PM
You lefties are making me dizzy with all your spinning...its funny how first your side accuses the other side of lying about what Obama says then when you get irrefutable proof of what he says then you make excuses for him,like he said concentration camps etc...hard to spin something when confronted with your guy on video, huh? no excuse Obama intentionally misled the people to whom he was speaking not a "misspeak" but a purposeful lie.....
 exodusi1

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Posted: 5/27/2008 9:43:21 PM
That's because we know that all of the lies or slips over a year for the two of them combined, wouldn't equal a typical hour in the current administration!
 VioletSkye

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Posted: 5/27/2008 9:49:59 PM
I have a question for everyone...

Do you think there could be a thread where we have a discussion about politics without all the damned name calling? Is it even possible? How hard can it be?
 PurpleCrayon~

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Posted: 5/27/2008 10:06:24 PM
Okeydokey.... I admit it....Finally.

I am totally lost

on which Democratic Presidential Candidate hopeful has 'misspoke' the most. At this rate, McCain can talk for 100 years and not reach the volume.

Violetskye,... I'm with you on having discussions without name calling. We might disagree on our views...but, geez people... do it without all the mudslingin'
 K1ngmaker

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Posted: 5/27/2008 10:40:43 PM

You lefties are making me dizzy with all your spinning...its funny how first your side accuses the other side of lying about what Obama says then when you get irrefutable proof of what he says then you make excuses for him,like he said concentration camps etc...hard to spin something when confronted with your guy on video, huh? no excuse Obama intentionally misled the people to whom he was speaking not a "misspeak" but a purposeful lie.....



Knowing that AQ in Iraq doesn't have Iranians training them inside Iran. I hope someone points that out to President McCain before he orders an airstrike on one of those mythical Shia AQ Iranian bases.


your heard it here folks! it's ok if you're a republican
 sarabara24

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Posted: 5/27/2008 11:54:42 PM
on which Democratic Presidential Candidate hopeful has 'misspoke' the most. At this rate, McCain can talk for 100 years and not reach the volume.

i beg to differ!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6GBdyws5YU

but like kingmaker said, "it's ok if your republican!"
 K1ngmaker

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Posted: 5/27/2008 11:56:15 PM
on which Democratic Presidential Candidate hopeful has 'misspoke' the most. At this rate, McCain can talk for 100 years and not reach the volume.


http://blogs.chron.com/beltwayconfidential/2008/04/post_108.html


McCain: There are numerous threats to security in Iraq and the future of Iraq. Do you still view Al Qaeda in Iraq as a major threat?

Petraeus: It is still a major threat, though it is certainly not as major a threat as it was say 15 months ago.

McCain: Certainly not an obscure sect of the Shiites overall?

Petraeus: No, no sir.

McCain: Or Sunnis or anybody else then? Al Qaeda continues to try to assert themselves in Mosul, is that correct?

Al-Qaeda in Iraq is Sunni.



Say it with me people! It's ok if you're a Republican!
 Suthn_Boy

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Posted: 5/28/2008 1:25:31 AM
Is saying the same thing three times accurate? And can that be verified?

Reason I ask is, I've never heard that implied anywhere but here. And MSNBC or The NY Times would be sure to jump on any inkling of something like that, and make it a major story.

I think it's silly to claim we can read her mind, and that we know what she may have been thinking, rather than what she actually said. But I have yet to note from any other source, that this statement was made by her more than once.

I'm not suggesting that wasn't the case. But if so, I'm not aware of it. And I'd like to see it in print somewhere of reasonable repute.

-Suth'nBoy

 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 5/28/2008 3:14:39 AM
Suthn Boy, RonPaulGal posted the Keith Olberman rant in the other thread that shows where and when she said it. Go ahead and say what you want about Keith, but it's all verifiable. She said it first to Time magazine in March. She then said it twice in the same day, the last time she said it. The last time was at a campaign rally, or after one to the press...I can't remember which right now. I'd check and provide the links myself for you but I gotta go to work!
 Insolent1

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Posted: 5/28/2008 4:52:51 AM
Right, if you say something three times its Magic..."didn't Dorothy have to say theres no place like home" 3 times while clicking her heels together 3 times to invoke the Magic.....how many times you say something is irrelevant, if she said it 1000 times it still doesn't mean what you are trying to make it mean.....like I have said how many times has Obama and his camp tried to use JFK to help Obamas campaign...He was assassinated as well and I think his assassination is a little more well known by the average American....oh yeah, back on topic...Obama lied simple as that...you could tell when he was saying it that he was lying, did you watch the video?
 K1ngmaker

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Posted: 5/28/2008 5:19:56 AM

Right, if you say something three times its Magic..."didn't Dorothy have to say theres no place like home" 3 times while clicking her heels together 3 times to invoke the Magic.....how many times you say something is irrelevant, if she said it 1000 times it still doesn't mean what you are trying to make it mean.....like I have said how many times has Obama and his camp tried to use JFK to help Obamas campaign...He was assassinated as well and I think his assassination is a little more well known by the average American....


Longest meaningless run on sentence ever.


oh yeah, back on topic...Obama lied simple as that...you could tell when he was saying it that he was lying, did you watch the video?


Oh let me guess when a Republican bungles it's a slip of the toungue and A-OK (even when he is corrected by a Democratic party member right in front of the cameras) but when a Democratic party member does he's a liar.

It's ok if you're a republican!
 Insolent1

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Posted: 5/28/2008 5:25:14 AM
I agree...lol I am not a Republican, nice try though....No I am just tired of seeing any candidate receiving special treatment in the media. Obama seems to say a lot of things then after they elicit a negative response he changes his story or says he was taken out of context or that he misspoke. I guess we should expect that by a guy who voted present instead of committing to a vote that might lose him some support.Your profile name is interesting it is much the same way I view the media in this campaign, they are playing the part of Kingmaker....
 K1ngmaker

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Posted: 5/28/2008 6:40:33 AM

I agree...lol I am not a Republican, nice try though....


Feel free to point out all the posts which you've been critical of McCain and the Republican party.

I'm not discussing individuals, I'm discussing the way the candidates are treated. Once again, McCain miss speaks, you ignore it, Obama misspeaks you claim to have psychic powers so you can know his motivation.


]No I am just tired of seeing any candidate receiving special treatment in the media.


Me too.


Obama seems to say a lot of things then after they elicit a negative response he changes his story or says he was taken out of context or that he misspoke.


Uh huh, like McCain with hagee, or his inaccurate statements in regards to the constitution, or his incredible inability to keep track of who the enemies of the United States are. Or the 100 years in Iraq (out of context!)


I guess we should expect that by a guy who voted present instead of committing to a vote that might lose him some support.


or a guy who voted against a torture bill after repeatedly stating he was against torture!


Your profile name is interesting it is much the same way I view the media in this campaign, they are playing the part of Kingmaker....


LOL speaking of getting personal.
 Insolent1

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Posted: 5/28/2008 8:13:19 AM
The statement about your profile name was not meant to be personal, I just thought it was apropos considering you are an Obama supporter and I believe the media has decided to anoint him King..
I am a Hillary supporter but will vote for McCain if she doesn't get the nomination.
 nicktomlinrhys

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Posted: 5/28/2008 11:30:32 AM

The commander of the Soviet troops who liberated Auschwitz today said that the world should never forget what his men found there.
As world leaders joined survivors at the Nazi death camp to remember the millions of people killed in the Holocaust, Anatoly Shapiro recalled the day, 60 years ago, when he entered Auschwitz.

"I saw the faces of the people we liberated - they went through hell," he said via a video link from the US, where he now lives. "I want to say to all people around the world - this should not happen again."

Built by Nazi Germany in occupied southern Poland, Auschwitz had initially been a labour camp for Polish prisoners, but became a death factory for European Jews.

The ceremony started with the sound of an approaching train on the tracks that brought more than 1 million people to their deaths. It took place by the sidings where Nazi doctors decided which of the new arrivals were fit to be worked to death and which were to be taken to the gas chambers.

"For a former inmate of Auschwitz, it is an unimaginable and overwhelming emotion to be able to speak in this cemetery without graves, the largest one in the history of Europe," said survivor Wladyslaw Bartoszewski, who later became Poland's foreign minister.

Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, said the sight of rail tracks and the gas chambers would always lead people to ask how the Holocaust could happen.

"Auschwitz calls out not only to our memory but to our mind," he said. "We see what future the fascist Reich had planned for a civilised Europe."

Moshe Katsav, the Israeli president, said Auschwitz was the "largest burial ground of the Jewish people". He warned of the re-emergence of anti-semitism in Europe and said it was up to the present generation of leaders to make sure the lessons of Auschwitz were not forgotten.

The ceremony ended with the playing of a Jewish horn - the shofar - and the Kaddish, the Jewish prayer for the dead.

Mr Putin, Mr Katsav, the US vice president,****Cheney, and the foreign secretary, Jack Straw, later joined Aleksander Kwasniewski, thePolish president, and scores of Red Army veterans and survivors to light candles at the camp's main extermination centre, Birkenau.

Six million Jews died in the Nazi camps, along with millions of others, including Roma gypsies, Soviet prisoners of war, political opponents of the Nazis, homosexuals, beggars, alcoholics and mentally ill and disabled people.

In Auschwitz-Birkenau - the most notorious of the complexes - 1.5 million people died in the gas chambers or of disease, starvation, abuse and exhaustion.

Soviet troops reached the camp on January 27 1945, and found 7,000 survivors, many of them barely alive. The retreating Nazis had driven most of the prisoners who still had strength to walk out into the snow on a "death march" toward camps further west.

"The snow was falling like today, we were dressed in stripes and some of us had bare feet," 84-year-old Polish survivor Kazimierz Orlowski said. "These were horrible times."

International memorials

Twenty-nine world leaders were in attendance. The Ukrainian president, Viktor Yushchenko, recalled his father's ordeal in the death camp as he spoke in nearby Krakow before the ceremony began.

"My father was a wounded soldier and he was in Auschwitz. He had a tattoo 11367 on his chest," he said.

"This is a sacred place for me and my family. This is the place where my father suffered."

He said on his last trip to Auschwitz he had gathered up soil which he presented to a meeting of Ukrainian Jews.

The German president, Horst Köhler, attended the memorial event, but was not scheduled to speak in a token acknowledgment of his country's role as perpetrator of the Holocaust.

In Britain, the Queen, Tony Blair and religious leaders joined more than 600 victims from the concentration camps and ghettos at Westminster Hall.

One of the survivors, 74-year-old Susan Pollack, said she had not been able to talk about her suffering at the hands of the Nazis for many years afterwards.

Budapest-born Mrs Pollack, then aged 14, had already been in Belsen for a year - having been transferred from Auschwitz - when Allied troops liberated the camp.

"My mother was gassed on arrival at Auschwitz. My father was taken away, and I still don't know what happened to him. I was imbued by shame. The process of dehumanisation had affected my life," she said.


The Soviets were the first troops into Auschwitz .
And they are usually European or Asiatic Russians.

Bearing in mind that Obama's mother was an only child.....who was this uncle anyway ?
 Suthn_Boy

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Posted: 5/28/2008 1:32:45 PM
So we're suggesting Clinton said it three times based only on Keith Olbermann's wild Rant?

Because there's been only one reference to any such commentary in the normal news. And that is the video they've all been showing, the same one over and over. They are not showing 3 separate videos. Only one! And in that single video she says nothing about expecting Obama to get assassinated. She only makes reference to some time-frames relating to previous primaries.

Yes, I would have great reservations about believing that. Olbermann is well-known to be OBSESSED with bringing Clinton down, any way possible. That's quite a far stretch from a normal news report. I'd much rather actually see evidence of multiple statements. Yet I've only seen one. And other reporters have only reported one.

So if we are going to make that claim as though it were fact, I would suggest verification is definitely in order..

-Suth'nBoy

 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 5/28/2008 1:36:51 PM
Hellooooooo...earth to Suthnnnnnnnnn......I said you could look up yourself the reference in the March Time interview. That's at least one reference....I'll look up the other one for you after our baseball game tonight since you seem to just want to bash what I'm saying and not do the footwork ya own self.
 Suthn_Boy

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Posted: 5/28/2008 2:09:41 PM
Oh wait!

You are suggesting that I should go dig up the necessary evidence to support your claim? Evidence that I would find highly questionable to begin with? (After all you did say it came from Olbermann's obsessive rant, right?). Just checking..

Usually if someone makes some unlikely claim like that, they are the ones who are required to provide evidence to support it. Remember Debating 101? You seldom ask the other side to provide verification for your position.

What I suggest is that we consider that she said that only once, as in all the news reports, unless proven otherwise. And what she said wasn't what she was attacked for anyway. She didn't apologize for doing anything wrong. She apologized for any misinterpretation anyone may have mistakenly drawn from it.

-Suth'nBoy

 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 5/28/2008 2:13:09 PM
Yes, and notice she did not apologize for any misinterpretation Obama may have gotten from it....just mentioned the Kennedys. And since you don't seem to care, and would not care even if I posted a hundred sources, ferget it.

Although, while debate 101 may tell you to prove what you're saying, I still look s h i t up if someone says it over and over and I don't believe it. That's because I like to see things with my own eyes. You will do that too as soon as you're ready to see things, my friend.
 Suthn_Boy

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Posted: 5/28/2008 2:39:19 PM
Can't be verified eh? Doesn't that trouble even you too, just a bit?
Keith Olbermann is not worth the faith you have in his outrageous, obsessive commentary. Undoubtedly, in time, you'll see that yourself. It took me a while to see through him too. He does seem reasonably credible, at first.

What I suggest is that we consider that she said that only once, as in all the news reports, unless proven otherwise. And what she said wasn't what she was attacked for anyway. She didn't apologize for doing anything wrong. She apologized for any misinterpretation anyone may have mistakenly drawn from it.

-Suth'nBoy

 sarabara24

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Posted: 5/28/2008 2:40:17 PM

Say it with me people! It's ok if you're a Republican!

hey King do you think we should change the name of the thread?

i agree, if you want to defend your position defend it, everyone else does. we should not have to do research to defend YOUR position.
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