| Obama ducking sniper fire?
Posted: 5/28/2008 2:52:05 PM |
Bearing in mind that Obama's mother was an only child.....who was this uncle anyway ?
Helps if you read the entire thread. But for your benefit
Senator Obama's family is proud of the service of his grandfather and uncles in World War II — especially the fact that his great-uncle was a part of liberating one of the concentration camps at Buchenwald," campaign spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement. "Yesterday he mistakenly referred to Auschwitz instead of Buchenwald in telling of his personal experience of a soldier in his family who served heroically."
Aides said Tuesday that his grandmother's brother, Charlie Payne, helped liberate a Buchenwald sub-camp in April 1945 as part of the 89th Infantry Division.
"On April 4, 1945, the 89th overran Ohrdruf, a subcamp of the Buchenwald concentration camp. Ohrdruf was the first Nazi concentration camp liberated by U.S. troops in Germany," according to the museum. "A week later, on April 12, Generals Dwight D. Eisenhower, George S. Patton, and Omar Bradley visited Ohrdruf to see, firsthand, evidence of Nazi atrocities against concentration camp prisoners."
Getting a fact wrong in a story is certainly not the same thing as making an entire story up for your own personal glory.
But of course the Hillary crowd are going to try to make it look like that. | |
|
| Obama ducking sniper fire?
Posted: 5/28/2008 3:12:19 PM | | yeah, here's a page out of the used car salesman's book, the democratic camp uses it often. we will see lots of lies and flippy flopping from this guy. any thing to win, yes, lefties? | |
|
| Obama ducking sniper fire?
Posted: 5/28/2008 3:23:16 PM | Yeah, if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black!
Fiscal conservative.
Compassionate conservative.
Lower taxes (But enormous debt) | |
|
| Obama ducking sniper fire?
Posted: 5/28/2008 5:12:40 PM | .
Senator Obama's family is proud of the service of his grandfather and uncles in World War II — especially the fact that his great-uncle was a part of liberating one of the concentration camps at Buchenwald," campaign spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement. "Yesterday he mistakenly referred to Auschwitz instead of Buchenwald in telling of his personal experience of a soldier in his family who served heroically."
Aides said Tuesday that his grandmother's brother, Charlie Payne, helped liberate a Buchenwald sub-camp in April 1945 as part of the 89th Infantry Division.
It appears he served in the Navy?
Charles W. Payne, born 1924, enlisted 10Nov42, Navy, 6293977 Registered, order #12019, Kansas City, Wyandotte Co., Board #4
http://www.kshs.org/genealogists/military/wwiiveteransresults.php?page=1036&branch=A
http://www.kshs.org/genealogists/military/wwiiveteransresults.php?page=421&branch=N
Why was the text edited on the Web site? | |
|
| Obama ducking sniper fire?
Posted: 5/28/2008 5:21:24 PM | Actually, I suspect John McCain has set the all-time historical record for flip-flopping!
Other than supporting the Iraq War, and his vision of what he unwisely considers to be a U.S. surrender there, it's hard to come up with something he hasn't changed his mind about. Usually in an effort to align himself more closely with Bush.
-Suth'nBoy
| |
|
| Obama ducking sniper fire?
Posted: 5/28/2008 5:38:54 PM | | is this the mc cain thread? most of that is crap about mc cain, he sticks to his guns. and how does criticizing him help obama? obama's a pig you can put lipstick on but he's still a pig. | |
|
| |
| Obama ducking sniper fire?
Posted: 5/28/2008 5:45:28 PM |
It appears he served in the Navy?
No, it appears he served in the 89th.
Here's the WWII service list for the 89th infantry division.
http://89infdivww2.org//home/list_p.htm
Here's a few names, the one in bold is Obama's great uncle Charlie.
Payetta R. L. Pfc 354th D Payment R. H. Pfc SpecTrps 405thQM Payne C. T. Pfc 355thInf K Payne L. Pfc 355thInf B Payne M.J. Pfc 563rdFABn Bat A Payne R. C. Pfc 314EngCbBn C Payne J. L. Pfc 353rdInf I Payne L. E. Pfc 353rdInf A Payne W. C. Pfc 354th A Payson B. Pfc Divarty HQ | |
|
| Obama ducking sniper fire?
Posted: 5/28/2008 5:53:34 PM | is this the mc cain thread? most of that is crap about mc cain, he sticks to his guns.
No, it's not a McCain thread. But you brought up flip-flopping in post #52. And Mr. McCain holds all the records for that. He's flipped on just about everything he ever "more-or-less" stood for, except the Iraq War. Especially if he finds out Bush has some other opinion about it. Then, he's quiick to adjust his own position.
This includes:
------------------
o Illegal Immigration
o Torture of troops in combat
o Veteran's Benefits (or better said, lack of)
o Repealling Tax Cuts for the very rich
o The Patriot Act
o Domestic Spying
o Accountability of big government
On and on.. Some of his flip-flops don't come to mind right now. But the list is long.
-Suth'nBoy
| |
|
| Obama ducking sniper fire?
Posted: 5/28/2008 5:57:55 PM | Bush says IHOP,
McSame grabs his Pogo stick!
Obama has been against the war from the start, that's a pretty solid stance, in my opinion! | |
|
| Obama ducking sniper fire?
Posted: 5/28/2008 5:58:14 PM | | No, suthn, it certainly can be verified, check out the March Time interview. I know you won't. I'm not doing it tonight, but I have 100% complete faith that it's there, totally verifiable for you. | |
|
| Obama ducking sniper fire?
Posted: 5/28/2008 6:03:04 PM | And where is this interview Simm? Do you have a link to the transcript?
-Suth'nBoy
| |
|
| Obama ducking sniper fire?
Posted: 5/28/2008 6:07:38 PM | http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/05/hillarys_bizarre_rfk_comment.html
That was real hard, Suthn. Took me all of about 10 seconds to find. Happy reading. | |
|
| Obama ducking sniper fire?
Posted: 5/28/2008 6:13:14 PM |
.
The names don't match. What is the uncles real name?
http://genealogy.about.com/od/aframertrees/p/obama_two.htm
Fourth Generation (Great Grandparents):
8. Obama was born in Kendu Bay, Kenya
9. Nyaoke
Obama had four wives, one of whom was Nyaoke. She fathered many children, of whom Onyango was the fifth son.
Sponsored Links
The Real Barack ObamaThe truth behind the canditate - "Barack Obama Exposed" - Free!www.HumanEvents.com
Trace your surnameDiscover your ancestry, find long lost relatives, family tree search.www.GeneBase.com
GenealogyBillions of names across 15 decades Trace your family history here.Ancestry.com
12. Ralph Waldo Emerson DUNHAM was born 24 December 1894 in Argonia, Sumner County, Kansas and died 4 October 1970 in Wichita, Sedgwick, Kansas.
13. Ruth Lucille ARMOUR was born in 1900 in Illinois and died (by suicide) on 25 November 1926 in Wichita, Sedgwick County, Kansas.
Ralph DUNHAM and Ruth ARMOUR were married on 3 October 1915 in Wichita, Sedgwick County, Kansas and had the following children:
i. Ralph Emerson DUNHAM, Jr., born 29 August 1916 (spouse Elizabeth Smith)
6. ii. Stanley Armour DUNHAM
The family is found living with Ruth's parents in the 1920 federal census of Sedgwick County, Kansas. In 1930, Ralph Jr. and Stanley are with their maternal grandparents in Butler County, Kansas, while their father, Ralph Sr. was enumerated with his parents in Sedgwick County, Kansas.
14. Rolla Charles PAYNE was born 23 August 1892 in Olathe, Johnson County, Kansas and died in Kansas in October 1968.
15. Leona MCCURRY was born about May 1897 in Kansas.
Rolla Charles PAYNE and Leona MCCURRY married in Kansas about 1922 and had the following children:
1. i. Madelyn PAYNE
ii. Charles W. PAYNE born about 1924.
iii. Arlene PAYNE born about 1926.
Payne C. T. Pfc 355thInf is not the Uncles name listed in the genealogy
Charles W. Payne, born 1924, enlisted 10Nov42, Navy, 6293977 Registered, order #12019, Kansas City, Wyandotte Co., Board #4 | |
|
| Obama ducking sniper fire?
Posted: 5/28/2008 6:16:51 PM | | Well hmmm...since it also says this: "She fathered many children, of whom Onyango was the fifth son"....I'm not so sure these people know what they're talking about. | |
|
| Obama ducking sniper fire?
Posted: 5/28/2008 6:22:58 PM | They never do, that's why it is SOOOOOOOO easy for the NeoKKKons to pull the woll over their eyes! | |
|
| Obama ducking sniper fire?
Posted: 5/28/2008 6:26:23 PM |
is this the mc cain thread? most of that is crap about mc cain, he sticks to his guns. and how does criticizing him help obama? obama's a pig you can put lipstick on but he's still a pig.
LOL really??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRvJoLeHOP8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzcPpZEs4t0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_ZxLMLKw6Y
You can't say it's not true; it's coming straight from his mouth. | |
|
| |
| Obama ducking sniper fire?
Posted: 5/28/2008 6:57:54 PM | Thanks for taking the time to support your point of view Simm. However that's a link to a blog, and the blogger who stated that opinion, found a lot of disagreement in the many comments following their post. Blogger viewpoints aren't really evidence. They are merely someone's opinion. Much like what we see here.
I was looking for confirmation, such as a transcript for example, verifying that the same thing had been said multiple times by Clinton before, which you've stated in various posts. If precisely the same thing had been said several times before, it might lend some credence to the idea that there could have been some strategic, planned motivation behind it, rather than just general chit chat she was having about the history of primaries. However, it would seem that's all it was.
The regular news reports do not seem to speak of any duplication like that. And as yet I haven't seen any such evidence. That's not to suggest there isn't any out there somewhere though. Besides Keith Olbermann's rant, of course.
-Suth'nBoy
| |
|
| Obama ducking sniper fire?
Posted: 5/28/2008 7:22:31 PM | | The site is sponsored by Time, and quotes the article. You are perfectly welcome to find your own transcript if you think the blogger made those words up. I don't think Time would stand for that. | |
|
| Obama ducking sniper fire?
Posted: 5/28/2008 8:09:10 PM |
Thanks for taking the time to support your point of view Simm. However that's a link to a blog, and the blogger who stated that opinion, found a lot of disagreement in the many comments following their post. Blogger viewpoints aren't really evidence. They are merely someone's opinion. Much like what we see here
Ok, I'm gonna make this short, but this is exactly why Bush and this enitre administration had been able to lie to the American public for so long. Nothing seems to be credible anymore unless it supports your own point of view. This exchange between you and Simma is just one of numerous examples of how when someone makes a claim, backs it up with evidence... then the evidence gets attacked and discredited simply because it doesn't fit your point. This is a prime example of the breakdown in this country as we're being fed anything that makes us feel better or supports our arguments regardless of the facts. I'm not saying Hillary DID say this more than once, I'm simply stating that because this administration has been able to get away with duping the American public for so long that we Americans can no longer differentiate between what is the truth and what is complete and utter BS. We all need to take a long look in the mirror before we can erase what damage has been done to this country since these Neocons have been in power. | |
|
| Obama ducking sniper fire?
Posted: 5/28/2008 8:17:01 PM | Simmah there are some 300 posts in that blog topic. All different. All with very diverse opinions. That blogger was simply stating their personal opinion about the matter. And I don't recall them quoting anything as a verbatim quote from anywhere. Only their personal perception of the overall situation, as in, "What a monster Clinton is to say what she said". Much like Olbermann's take on it. Well, I don't buy that perception. And I don't buy most of what Olbermann says.
They had a link to another site which said nothing about anything like that. Nor did it provide anything in the way of verification. I even listened all the way through a very lengthy interview at that site. Nothing!
So no, I'm not going to look for additional evidence to support your claims. Supporting those is your responsibility as the claimant. Not those who disagree with you. With all due respect to you, I simply don't believe your interpretation is accurate. And until you verify otherwise, with actual data, we can only assume it didn't happen. That it is hearsay.
-Suth'nBoy
PS: Ninny4All, opinion blog posts are not "evidence" of anything. And I don't follow your logic that they are responsible for the many failures of the Bush administration.
| |
|
| Obama ducking sniper fire?
Posted: 5/29/2008 3:46:05 AM | Well Suthn, I truly did try to find the printed article to reference. Unfortunately my computer has issues with some sites, and the Time magazine site is one of them. (Sadly, so is Huffington Post-bums me out). It freezes up and takes 5 minutes to load a page. This is why I said you should look for yourself. I really don't want to spend half my night searching for something to support that I already believe is true, just to satisfy those who do not believe.
No matter. It's nearly over. Stick a fork in her....she's done. | |
|
| Obama ducking sniper fire?
Posted: 5/29/2008 4:41:01 AM | | Simmah this is typical of your side, such blatant misdirection. Who cares if Hillary said something 10 times...this thread is about Obama and his Obvious embellishment/Lie....whenever people address anything that Obama does or says your side brings up McCain, Hillary and Bush, why is it so difficult for you to argue Obamas position without resorting to such juvenile tactics? He lies misspeaks has suspect affiliations questionable friends , as do the other candidates. But just because others do doesn't mean that Obamas shouldn't be questioned,it is pitiful that Obama supporters lack the ability to discuss what their candidate does and says without having to disparage the other candidates and Bush. | |
|
| Obama ducking sniper fire?
Posted: 5/29/2008 7:35:31 AM | I do think it could matter if she said that more than once, because then it might imply a strategy tactic of some sort rather than just general, idle chit chat with the press. What tactic that might be is not entirely clear, because she didn't say what many try to imply she was thinking. Nor did she apologize for what she said, and rightfully so. She apologized only for some possibly misinterpreting the entire matter.
However I find no evidence of it being said more than once anyway. So I have to run with that, until proven otherwise. Not that it would especially matter either way. Because again, there was nothing wrong with what she said. It was simply blown way out of proportion by an unbelievably biased and irresponsible media.
-Suth'nBoy
| |
|
Home
login 
