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 Insolent1

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What do you think of Former Press Secretary McClellan's book?
Posted: 5/29/2008 5:15:44 AM
Who cares?...really I mean there is so much Bush bashing its getting boring....yes many hate Bush. Many hate his policies. Many hate everything he does, says, did and said.Now lets move on to this election...
 Suthn_Boy

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What do you think of Former Press Secretary McClellan's book?
Posted: 5/29/2008 5:38:37 AM
OhMyGawsh!!

You mean I've actually got to tune in and watch KO this evening!?!? And watch him go through saying that Billo O'Reilly is the "Worst Person in the World!" again? Of course Clinton is bound to be #2 or #3.. Sheesh! Then he'll be throwing all that paper around.

But he's such a, a, well a you know, the "M" word..? Anyway.. I wish I could find another way to hear about this book.

-Suth'nBoy

 Crash1967

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What do you think of Former Press Secretary McClellan's book?
Posted: 5/29/2008 7:31:33 AM

That book will be at the discount section within the first week.


...you wish...its already number 1 on Amazon and hasn't been released nationally yet but has already been released in DC.

....and for those saying its not a big deal i'm sure voted for these criminals not once but twice and as the old saying goes ..... 'Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again' — George W. Bush.

... it is mind boggling that a book that details treasonous acts which resulted in the deaths of 100,000 + innocent people can possibly be blown off.....
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 5/29/2008 7:50:42 AM
Hey, it dovetails rather nicely with things we already know.



"I think in this case international law stood in the way of doing the right thing.

".....international law ... would have required us to leave Saddam Hussein alone"

Richard Perle

Speech
Institute of Contemporary Arts
London
November 18 2003


We have one of the war's biggest fan boys , that neo con of note Pearle, stating quite openly that the war was illegal - no grey area at all.
 Crash1967

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Posted: 5/29/2008 7:54:02 AM
.... the only thing that concerns me is that this is such a smoking gun expose' that many of the Democrats who supported the Republicans are not going to push the issue because their butts are on the line too....which is why Pelosi keeps knocking the table over...

.... where are the Repubs here? you guys are supposed to be attacking the messenger, didn't you get the talking points yet?
 Crash1967

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Posted: 5/29/2008 8:06:43 AM
http://www.wexler.house.gov/apps/list/press/fl19_wexler/050808_mcclellanpressrelease.shtml


Wexler: McClellan Must Testify Under Oath Before House Judiciary Committee
Former White House Aide's Revelations Make Out Case for Obstruction of Justice by Rove and Libby in Valerie Plame Case

(Washington, DC) Today Congressman Robert Wexler (D-FL) called for former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan to appear before the House Judiciary Committee to testify under oath regarding the devastating revelations made in his new book on the Bush Administration’s deliberate efforts to mislead the American people into the Iraq War.

“The admissions made by Scott McClellan in his new book are earth-shattering and allege facts to establish that Karl Rove and Scooter Libby – and possibly Vice President Cheney - conspired to obstruct justice by lying about their role in the Plame Wilson matter and that the Bush Administration deliberately lied to the American people in order to take us to war in Iraq. Scott McClellan must now appear before the House Judiciary Committee under oath to tell Congress and the American people how President Bush, Vice President****Cheney, Karl Rove, Scooter Libby, and White House officials deliberately orchestrated a massive propaganda campaign to sell the war in Iraq to the American people.”

“The allegations by this former top White House aide – that Rove and Libby deliberately coordinated their stories in order to obstruct justice in the Plame case, that the President deliberately disregarded contradictory evidence related to Iraq, should outrage every American and Congress must respond by initiating immediate aggressive oversight starting with an appearance by McClellan before the House Judiciary Committee. Any continued obstruction by this Administration to prevent White House officials from appearing before Congress cannot be tolerated by this Congress in the face of these shocking revelations.”

Congressman Wexler has led a nationwide campaign in favor of holding impeachment hearings for Vice-President****Cheney. Congressman Wexler is Chairman of the Europe Subcommittee and a senior member of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs and the House Judiciary Committee.
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 5/29/2008 8:53:48 AM

McClellan also discussed how, he said, Bush decided to go to war against Iraq soon after the 2001 terrorist attacks on the U.S. The president ordered aides to make arrangements for it, McClellan told "Today."

"I think very early on, a few months after September 11, he made a decision that we're going to confront Saddam Hussein, and if Hussein doesn't come fully clean, then we're going to go to war. There was really no flexibility in his approach," McClellan said. "Then it was put on the advisers: How do we go about implementing this? How do we go about doing this?"

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/29/mcclellan.book/index.html


Strangely enough, that's exactly what the Downing Street Memo's said years ago.



SECRET AND STRICTLY PERSONAL - UK EYES ONLY

DAVID MANNING
From: Matthew Rycroft
Date: 23 July 2002
S 195 /02

cc: Defence Secretary, Foreign Secretary, Attorney-General, Sir Richard Wilson, John Scarlett, Francis Richards, CDS, C, Jonathan Powell, Sally Morgan, Alastair Campbell

IRAQ: PRIME MINISTER'S MEETING, 23 JULY

C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action.

The Defence Secretary said that the US had already begun "spikes of activity" to put pressure on the regime. No decisions had been taken, but he thought the most likely timing in US minds for military action to begin was January, with the timeline beginning 30 days before the US Congressional elections.

It seemed clear that Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided. But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbours, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran. We should work up a plan for an ultimatum to Saddam to allow back in the UN weapons inspectors. This would also help with the legal justification for the use of force.

The Attorney-General said that the desire for regime change was not a legal base for military action. There were three possible legal bases: self-defence, humanitarian intervention, or UNSC authorisation. The first and second could not be the base in this case. Relying on UNSCR 1205 of three years ago would be difficult. The situation might of course change.

MATTHEW RYCROFT

http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/memos.html
 lonelyrican

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Posted: 5/29/2008 9:09:10 AM



If someone on the DU posts even the tiniest thing that Bush has done right, they'll get banned.
Mr. Glock,

I agree with you 100% a post just got delete b/c, a person spoke his mind........You are allow to speak about Obama, Hillary and said anything positive is ok you wont get delete but don't mention anything good about Bush and you get banned and your post will be delete....What kind of childish game is this we are in a free country we are allow to speak our mind is called freedom of speech oh excuse me is called liberal freedom of speech...

 Crash1967

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Posted: 5/29/2008 9:15:41 AM
.... I challenge any detractors to show a single lie in this book..... not even Newt, O'Rieley, or his ex boss are saying these are lies.....

..... ya'll are spinning so hard it's time to pull out the emesis basin....
 trapper jon md

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Posted: 5/29/2008 9:23:41 AM
well simma, how many people do you enjoy hiring that knock their former bosses? you know intuitively its just a matter of time b4 they are knocking you, too. and the timing of this is good, just in time to divert us from obama's BS statement on his "relatives" liberating camps. keith o is on a drive to kill the republicans, no pretense at fairness, so what are you expecting? your boy obama, unqualified as he is, is gonna be the beneficiary of the biggest media blitz in history, one that will make even goebbels proud.
 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 5/29/2008 9:36:04 AM
ohhhhhh trapper, I'm shaking. Trembling even. Hell, do you think that frightens Obama supporters? I say and he says bring it on baby!

I would bet my right arm that even if Obama had the power to push people around in Washington anywhere close to what Dubya's done he would not purposely break any laws. He'd not purposely decieve the entire nation for a cause that would put the Americans who elected him in harms way, 4000+ American lives have been lost now. Over 4000 kids and moms and dads....for what. FOR WHAT FFS???

Bush lied and lied again, and played YOU for a fool. That doesn't p!ss you off even a tiny bit?
 Stella Blue

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Posted: 5/29/2008 9:41:11 AM

Scott McClellan had an obligation, a responsibility to voice concerns on policy issues. McClellan never did that on any of the issues. For him to do this now is self-serving, disingenuous, and unprofessional.


This really is hysterical! It has been well known that this administration did not allow dissention. Either you go along with their plan or you are out.
Why did he have to do it now? Whhaaaa! Why couldnt he have held off until after the election like the NY Times did with the story on the illegal wire tapping?


This is exactly the kind of stuff that you read on the blogs, and I've gone and checked out the Democratic blogs today. They're not particularly worked up about it because this is not new stuff. They've known this since 2000. They don't care about this.


Of course this is not new stuff. It is the kinda stuff that is being reported on the liberal blogs because it is the truth!
I am sure it was Rove who decided what the reaction was going to be. "OK we have to sell it to them like he was disgruntled and he is lying becuase we didnt support his Mommy. Ya know, let's make him look crazy and like a Momma's boy. The neo con sludge will buy it. They will buy anything we say."

Everyone can not be disgruntled. There comes a time when these people actually have to answer to their souls.
His saying Clark was disgruntled or whatever was just a talking point he was fed, just like this is. At least they are consistent.

Who is it gonna take to come out and tell you these people are corrupt for that itsy bitsy percentage of people who are still buying the PNAC line to convince you? Condi? Collin Powell? Scooter Libby?

You would just call them turn coats and say they were disgruntled. You people really are amazing!
 Crash1967

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Posted: 5/29/2008 9:46:16 AM
.... thank you so much trapper for sticking to the talking points of "shoot the messenger" just as I predicted above.... now show us the lies in what he's saying?

.... the easiest of all critters to trap?.... another trapper..... I'll come back and play later.... i've got hides to tan....
 flyguy51

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Posted: 5/29/2008 9:54:53 AM
There's nothing new in his book, it's just liberal talking points.

Ya know, for all the dismissal of talking points as "liberal," has anyone actually successfully refuted them? Also, if you think about it, and I know some of you don't, why is being for or against the Iraq invasion a conservative vs liberal platform? Ron Paul would profoundly disagree...

But look who I'm talking to: Rush Limbaugh and his loyal minions (and plagiarists) evidently. I'll let you in on a little secret: when he says that he reads the news so you don't have to, he's being facetious!
 Crash1967

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Posted: 5/29/2008 11:07:32 AM
....liberal press indeed....


By Mike Celizic
TODAYShow.com contributor
updated 8:14 a.m. MT, Wed., May. 28, 2008



Disagreement over how well the media performed in the run-up to the Iraq war emerged between the three network news anchors Wednesday — but what Brian Williams, Katie Couric and Charles Gibson did agree on is that the Bush Administration put pressure on the media during that time.

The three were together on TODAY to promote a collaborative “Stand Up to Cancer” simulcast that NBC, CBS and ABC will simulcast on Sept. 5. But TODAY co-host Matt Lauer used the opportunity to ask them about charges in former White House press secretary Scott McClellan’s new book that the media failed to ask the “right questions” in the lead-up to the war.

According to early reviews, McClellan’s memoir “What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washington's Culture of Deception” at times paints a scathing picture of the motivations and actions of the Bush White House. It says that President Bush “veered terribly off course” and “rushed” to an unnecessary war in Iraq, according to The Washington Post.

“He said we didn’t do our job and we didn’t ask the right questions,” said Lauer, who co-hosted TODAY with Couric during the buildup to the invasion and the first three years of the war.

“I’ll start by saying I think he’s fairly accurate,” said Couric, now anchor of the CBS Evening News. “Matt, I know when we were covering it — and granted, [in] the spirit of 9/11, people were unified and upset and angry and frustrated — I do think we were remiss in not asking some of the right questions.”

Gibson begs to differ
“I respectfully disagree with the gentlelady from the Columbia Broadcasting System,” said Gibson, the ABC anchor, with facetious grandiloquence. In a serious tone, he continued, “I think the questions were asked.” Gibson remembered skepticism expressed about then-Secretary of State Colin Powell’s speech to the United Nations that alleged that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction — allegations that proved to be wrong.

“I think the questions were asked,” Gibson repeated. “It was just a drumbeat of support from the administration. It is not our job to debate them. It is our job to ask the questions.”

Williams, the NBC Nightly News anchor, said that one problem the media faced was not being able to independently verify the administration’s allegations.

“In Katrina, the evidence was right next to us,” he said in reference to the devastation wreaked on the Gulf Coast and New Orleans by Hurricane Katrina in 2005. “Sadly, we saw fellow Americans — in some cases floating past facedown. We knew what had just happened. We weren’t allowed that kind of proximity with the weapons inspectors [in Iraq].”

Williams agreed that the White House put tremendous pressure on news organizations to hew to the scripted administration line. “I was in Kuwait for the buildup to the war, and, yes, we heard from the Pentagon, on my cell phone, the minute they heard us report something that they didn’t like. The tone of that time was quite extraordinary.”

‘Insidious pressure’
Couric remembered similar pressure: “I remember doing an interview and the press secretary called our executive producer and said, ‘We didn’t like the tone of that interview.’ And we said, ‘Well, tough. We had to ask some of these questions.’ And they said, ‘If you keep it up, we’re gonna block access to you during the war.’ ” She said that NBC did not buckle under, but, she added, “There was insidious pressure that I do think actually affected some of the coverage by the media outlets.”

Lauer observed that hindsight is 20/20, but at the time, the nation was unified behind the administration. “I’m not sure we would have asked anything differently,” if given an opportunity to do it again, Gibson said.

“It’s tough to go back, to put ourselves in the mind-set. It was post-9/11 America,” said Williams.

“There was such a significant march to war, and people who questioned it very early on and as the war progressed were really considered unpatriotic,” added Couric. “I think that it did affect the level of aggressiveness that was exercised by the media, I really do.”
 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 5/29/2008 3:51:35 PM
Countdown to Countdown......8pm. Be there or be square!

In case some of you don't know what channel Keith Olbermann is on, he's on MSNBC.


 RedTory

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Posted: 5/29/2008 3:55:46 PM
McClellan is just part of the picture. The full truth will come out about the Bush administration eventually and it won't be pleasant.
 edisto

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Posted: 5/29/2008 5:45:32 PM

In case some of you don't know what channel Keith Olbermann is on, he's on MSNBC.

or otherwise known as the Obama channel

Olbermann could have god on and I wouldn't watch him !
 flyguy51

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Posted: 5/29/2008 5:47:33 PM
I actually heard Olbermann say that he was rooting for H. Clinton. But, I guess, unlike some, he knows how to move on.
 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 5/29/2008 6:14:53 PM
Too bad, edisto, you missed a good interview. I can't wait for this book, and I know you share the same views on GWB as I do.


 Quetzal

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McClellan is just part of the picture. The full truth will come out about the Bush administration eventually and it won't be pleasant.


I agree. I think most of his cronies just want to continue cashing their paychecks till next January. Then you're going to see an avalanche of these books. It's unfortunate that Mclellan didn't have the cojones to come out earlier. He could have saved some lives.
 itechman42

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Posted: 5/29/2008 10:50:04 PM
I think it would be most interesting to see the ways in which McClellan is personally discredited.
 Shawhan

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Posted: 5/30/2008 1:56:03 AM
No you see, you're not attempting to portray your statement as your own. As for non-liberal professionals, I hardly think Ruch Limbaugh (which his post was plagiarized from) would be considered a professional in this field.

^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yes you see, every word posted, does not portray your thoughts. No attempt has yet been made in refuting Rush Limbaugh, because you cannot. Accusing is of the devil. I went to the website you provided and Rush Limbaugh's statements are not the same as the poster's. In fact, Rush Limbaugh's statement, the whole very long monologue comes from many sources at the bottom.
However, all I see posted are the exact wording from Democrat bloggers. Memorizing the posts of other liberals does not make for a professional, in this case, a liberal professional on this forum. The envious opinions about Rush Limbaugh for example is exactly the same old remarks out of the mouths of liberal correspondents and leftist bloggers. Not original there. Not at all.
At least the poster took some of what Rush Limbaugh talked about, and that of others, and condensed it in a most informative post. All I read from your posts are similar to what George Soros says. Some from Ariana Huffington and of liberal bloggers.

(You have to love Karl Rove, ass kisser for fox news.Tell me why not a right wing blogger? Perhaps because McClellan failed to use a racial slur in his book?) Exact words of Ariana Huffington.




The guy that published Scott McClellan's book is a guy named Peter Osnos. He is a huge, far-left liberal. His publishing house is affiliated with The Nation magazine. His company has also published The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder. This man's name is Peter Osnos, and so far six books have been bankrolled by George Soros. So there is a George Soros connection to the Scott McClellan book. In addition, this guy, Peter Osnos, has ripped me."A reporter and editor at the Washington Post during the 1970s and 1980s before going into book publishing, Osnos pens a weekly column for the left of center The Century Foundation. In a March column he denounced Rush Limbaugh as 'bombastic, aggressive, and mean,' bemoaning how the late William F. Buckley Jr. left behind 'a right-wing culture that tends to be as coarse and leaden as his demeanor could be buoyant,' charging Buckley provided 'unfortunate cover to others who followed with a spirit that was distinctly and consistently malevolent.'" So that's the publisher. This is the guy who published McClellan's book. This is probably the guy who wrote McClellan's book.

There is a connection with George Soros and Peter Osnos and McClellan and his book, and Vincent Bugliosi, the longtime lawyer that used to be on every night talking about O.J. Simpson, he has written a book called The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder, 4,000-plus American soldiers in Iraq being murdered by George W. Bush, in a pointless, worthless unjust war, published by the same guy, by the same publishing house, George Soros. So Scott McClellan has a new bunch of friends, in addition to this. This I love. Bob Wexler, US Congress, from just south of us here, he's in Boca Raton, he called yesterday for Scott McClellan to appear before the House Judiciary Committee to testify under oath regarding the devastating revelations made in his new book. Here's what Wexler said in his released statement: "The admissions made by Scott McClellan in his new book are earth-shattering and allege facts to establish that Karl Rove and Scooter Libby -- and possibly Vice President Cheney -- conspired to obstruct justice by lying about their role in the Plame Wilson matter and that the Bush Administration deliberately lied to the American people in order to take us to war in Iraq. Scott McClellan must now appear before the House Judiciary Committee under oath to tell Congress and the American people how President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Karl Rove, Scooter Libby and White House officials deliberately orchestrated a massive propaganda campaign to sell the war in Iraq to the American people."

I hope this happens. All this is gonna do right now is just add to his book sales, but I hope this happens because he doesn't have any information! He wasn't in any of the meetings! He was a deputy for all those years. He had no input in policy. At times he even complains in the book about being kept out of the loop. He was not a big-time player. He doesn't have anything substantive to tell these people. He probably didn't write this garbage that's in his book. So let Wexler call him up there and let him tell Wexler and the House Judiciary Committee,

Can a liberal professional top and refute all of this? Nope! It's from the website that was advertised by you. All factural and accurate, all in today's news. As the post below, All factural and in yesterday's news. No plagiarism, just repeated thoughts of many.

(Scott McClellan had an obligation, a responsibility to voice concerns on policy issues. McClellan never did that on any of the issues. For him to do this now is self-serving, disingenuous, and unprofessional. This is exactly the kind of stuff that you read on the blogs, and I've gone and checked out the Democratic blogs today. They're not particularly worked up about it because this is not new stuff. They've known this since 2000. They don't care about this.

There's nothing new in his book, it's just liberal talking points. How does a guy in the Bush administration who was the spokesman and ends up getting fired, end up writing a book that could have been written by MoveOn.org bloggers? Here's a quote from McClellan back when he was the White House spokesman. Richard Clarke came out, he quit the administration. He wrote some tell all book about how the Bush administration and Condoleezza Rice dropped the ball and 9/11 was basically their fault. Turned out he was in the Clinton administration.
But Bush sort of deserved it because they held the guy over from the Clinton administration.
McClellan, as press secretary, was asked about this, and he said: "Why all of a sudden, if he had all these grave concerns (Richard Clarke) did he not raise these sooner? This is one and a half years after he left the administration, and now all of a sudden he's raising these grave concerns that he claims he had. And I think you have to look at some of the facts. One, he's bringing this up in the heat of a presidential campaign. He has written a book. He certainly wants to go out there and promote that book. Let's look at the politics of it.

McClellan, too, has now written a book. He couldn't wait until the administration of his president was over. He had to inject his book into this presidential campaign. And he and his grave concerns, where were they all the time he was out there fronting for the administration? The motivation that he has for this is certainly what people are questioning.

There's a theory going around about Scott McClellan, Scott McClellan's book is making big waves in the last election for Texas governor. The Republican Texas comptroller, Carole Keeton Strayhorn, who used the slogan "One Tough Grandma" based on her cost saving reputation as comptroller, ran as an independent Republican, against the incumbent Governor Rick Perry. Rick Perry was Bush's lieutenant governor and he became governor when Bush moved to Washington. Carole Keeton Strayhorn started her campaign with a flurry, faded fast and got trounced in the election, receiving virtually no support from the GOP. Scott McClellan is Carole Keeton Strayhorn's son. It's payback. The book is payback from the family, for McClellan's mom being ignored in her campaign for governor of the state of Texas.)

^^^^^^^^

It's what everybody is saying, including many in the MSM. Liberal anchors are questioning Scott. Diane Sawyer showed disdain towards Scott, as has Charles Gibson. Plagiarism does not apply in this forum, unless you are the original George Soros and someone is using your exact words. By all means whine about it. It's not a term paper/essay at a university for grade.
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Posted: 5/30/2008 3:12:15 AM
Yes you see, every word posted, does not portray your thoughts.


Considering I wrote the words, I'd say they portray my thoughts.



No attempt has yet been made in refuting Rush Limbaugh, because you cannot


Refutations require some statement of fact. Rush made a few character attacks on McClellan. I don't bother responding to Ad hominems.


went to the website you provided and Rush Limbaugh's statements are not the same as the poster's.



Story #3.

RUSH: Scott McClellan. I keep getting e-mails: "Rush, stop bashing McClellan. We don't have to hit McClellan. There's nothing new in his book, it's just liberal talking points." That's the whole point! How does a guy in the Bush administration who was the spokesman and ends up getting fired, end up writing a book that could have been written by MoveOn.org bloggers?



From post:


There's nothing new in his book, it's just liberal talking points. How does a guy in the Bush administration who was the spokesman and ends up getting fired, end up writing a book that could have been written by MoveOn.org bloggers?


I'm curious if you don't think the posts are the same (which they obviously are) why are you claiming that I haven't refuted Rush?



The guy that published Scott McClellan's book is a guy named Peter Osnos. He is a huge, far-left liberal.


http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/genetic-fallacy.html

Description of Genetic Fallacy
A Genetic Fallacy is a line of "reasoning" in which a perceived defect in the origin of a claim or thing is taken to be evidence that discredits the claim or thing itself. It is also a line of reasoning in which the origin of a claim or thing is taken to be evidence for the claim or thing. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:


1.The origin of a claim or thing is presented.
2.The claim is true(or false) or the thing is supported (or discredited).

It doesn't matter what the publishers affiliation is. It also doesn't matter if a person is a liberal or a conservative, what matters if the facts of the case. Namely that another Bush insider is stating that the war was based on propoganda.



There's nothing new in his book, it's just liberal talking points. How does a guy in the Bush administration who was the spokesman and ends up getting fired, end up writing a book that could have been written by MoveOn.org bloggers? Here's a quote from McClellan back when he was the White House spokesman. Richard Clarke came out, he quit the administration. He wrote some tell all book about how the Bush administration and Condoleezza Rice dropped the ball and 9/11 was basically their fault. Turned out he was in the Clinton administration.
But Bush sort of deserved it because they held the guy over from the Clinton administration.
McClellan, as press secretary, was asked about this, and he said: "Why all of a sudden, if he had all these grave concerns (Richard Clarke) did he not raise these sooner? This is one and a half years after he left the administration, and now all of a sudden he's raising these grave concerns that he claims he had. And I think you have to look at some of the facts. One, he's bringing this up in the heat of a presidential campaign. He has written a book. He certainly wants to go out there and promote that book. Let's look at the politics of it.


You're quoting Rush again. In fact, you're quoting the same thing you said you couldn't find before. See that bolded part? Thats the part you said didn't exist! You're not doing much for your credibility here.

So the facts remain, an insider has come out stating that the war was based on deception. Just like Clark they're now attacking the person rather than dealing with the realities of the accusation. Frankly I think McClellan is a bit of a jerk too. But being a Jerk and being wrong are not the same thing.
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What do you think of Former Press Secretary McClellan's book?
Posted: 5/30/2008 3:16:34 AM
The Dems better throw fuel on this fire. The reps would and that's why, in my opinion, they are better campaigners. Reps take war heroes and turn them into sissies while Dems allow public opinion to shape itself. Dems need to strike hard and while the iron is hot. Go for the throat on this one. Plame, Katrina, Iraq, Deriliction of duty...the whole nine.

This revelation that Bush had visions of grandeur as being the leading cause for his desire to "stabilize the middle east", via Iraq, isn't going to play well for Mc Same, as he is a one issue candidate. Bush had congress and the American people so scared of the "smoking gun may be a mushroom cloud", we sat by and allowed this war to happen in the name of "fighting terrorism". The book reveals that Wolfowitz made certain that WMD was on every American's mind when this war began. Bush was more starry-eyed about his legacy than he was about the 4000 plus soldiers he sent to die. Stabilizing the middle east isn't our job. The middle east needs to kill their own people in that endeavor.
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