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Posted: 6/4/2008 4:35:17 PM |
Any American that can not see that the whole election process was rigged towards Obama including the superdelegates and especially the Media deserves to have a radical Liberal President with questionable views about non African Americans....
Rigged? Really? Mind telling us how it was rigged to get millions of average Americans to donate their time and money in support of him, voting for him, and giving staunch support in hopes of a brighter future? Are you saying millions and millions of Americans, educated and not, are stupid, brain washed, that we can't see the good he has tried to do since being in the positions he's held?
Your continued racist drivel is pathetic. You need to find a new drum to bang on. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 4:36:09 PM | We will see if Obama is the leader and person everyone thinks he is.
At every chance Obama has said nice things about HRC even though none of them were deserved. If he's not the most gracious candidate in 50 years I don't know who is. On the other hand, she's acted like a petulant teenager the whole campaign. Hardly leadership material.
And just now we hear she's going to drop out on Friday. Better late than never.
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Posted: 6/4/2008 4:38:28 PM | There is no way Obama will nominate Clinton as his VP,he will not be upstaged by his VP or her husband.
I know I wouldn't want Bill roaming the halls at the White House hitting on my interns,not to mention him making speeches that contradict my agenda.
BTW:her speech last night was the most obnoxious and arrogant concession speech I have ever heard,she should have been magnanimous and bowed out gracefully. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 4:38:51 PM | Awhile back, I read an article detailing how a large chunk of Clinton and Obama supporters realize the similarities in their candidates' platforms and are not dogmatic about which candidate gets the nomination. Evidently that reporter knows nothing of the POF politics forum.
I have never seen such bitterness between supporters of same party candidates as I have here. Those who claim to vote for McCain as a result of Obama's victory strike me as the equivalent of a small child who packs up his toys and goes home because he didn't get his way.
I guess the best place to find out about people is by actually talking to them and reading posts they create. There is no politician or news anchor to spin this stuff. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 4:43:55 PM | | Well violetskye, the media was a little biased against Clinton to begin with. Obama was somewhat of an unknown at the beginning of the primary. If the DNC were to run the primary over again, I'm not sure that Obama beats Hillary now. Once people began to see past his speeches to the candidate behind it, he lost momentum. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 4:44:09 PM | I'd say the Democratic party is in a real pickle right now.
Plus, CNN during Lou Dobbs segment is running reports with video on the Obama Oct. 7 interview where he (Obama) said he 'would not wear a flag pin'. quote, unquote. Then, they show him wearing flag pins in these most recent days... plus a dual American flag pin and Israel flag pin together today.
Lou Dobbs byline is 'Mr. Independent'. I haven't watched CNN hardly at all in awhile till now. He is tying Bush and Clinton together in their policies and Obama as a flip flopper... McCain..he's leaving pretty much alone... is this normal for Dobbs? I'm curious as I am not astute to his normal reporting. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 4:53:27 PM |
Lou Dobbs byline is 'Mr. Independent'. I haven't watched CNN hardly at all in awhile till now. He is tying Bush and Clinton together in their policies and Obama as a flip flopper... McCain..he's leaving pretty much alone... is this normal for Dobbs
One thing I've learned with the press....give it 15 minutes, the story will change. Talk about flip floppers. lol | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 5:06:10 PM |
Well violetskye, the media was a little biased against Clinton to begin with. Obama was somewhat of an unknown at the beginning of the primary. If the DNC were to run the primary over again, I'm not sure that Obama beats Hillary now. Once people began to see past his speeches to the candidate behind it, he lost momentum.
My vote for Barack wasn't due to media bias but because I watched how the Clintons have operated over the years, watched how McCain did his job as well. Not every person is squeaky clean in this running process, but I'd be willing to bet money Barack is the cleanest.
Everyone keeps blathering about how he hasn't done anything. He sure as heck has done more then Clinton has in the time she has been in office, and he's fairly new at this!
I'm tired of people bemoaning that he will lean toward taking care of people who are minority because he's black *gasp* and has an agenda. I'm also tired of people stating he's going to run our asses in the ground and ruin the country. Can we take a deep, hard look at what Hillary AND her husband have done and their dealings behind the scenes? McCain?
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Posted: 6/4/2008 11:23:41 PM |
Is it just me, or do you detect a certain amount of Hillary bashing from the Obama-maniacs? In the one breath, calling her all kinds of hateful names - deceitful, shrill-ary etc, and then in the same breath, asking her to help bring all those votes over to their candidate? Am I the only one who sees the irony in all that?
Must be just you (and a few other hardcore Hillbots). No-one's actually asking for her help at this point. She's done. Yesterday's news.
Now she's grovelling for the veep spot. Good luck with that Hillary. The Democratic party will do fine without you and Bill. Don't let the door hit your azz on the way out. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 11:36:46 PM | I do NOT like the Clintons.. at all... but, I will pass this tidbit on..
The 'News' is now saying that, in their opinion, with as close as the Dem. Nom. race turned out..that if the 'Obama's close association with Wright' deal had been out in the open at the start of it all... Clinton would have won the Delegates due to Public pressure/votes.. hands down.
Personally I don't know...but, it's a possibility.
EDIT:
Response for uninterested
CNN, MSNBC, and.... yep,... FOX | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 1:13:18 AM | U Tube captured a perfect example of a sore loser in Harriet Christian
The video is only a minute long but worth every second displaying a bitter loser.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KACQuZVAE3s
She’ll get over it. Just like the rest of you. You'll vote for Obama
Obama and his staff is going to save the country from yourselves. | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 5:40:24 AM | She’ll get over it. Just like the rest of you. You'll vote for Obama
LOL. I "got over it" months ago when I realized that Hillary wasn't going to get the nomination. I'm still not voting for Obama, and I won't be changing my mind.
The majority of voters are not emotionally invested in the election. Rather they look at the issues and the qualifications of the candidate. The voters who are turned off to Obama don't like his ties to the militant black community (not sure what else to call folks like Rev. Wright, et al., since it is so much more than plain old racism). They also don't like his ties to known criminals, his inexperience and an overall oiliness that puts "Slick Willie" to shame.
Obama and his staff is going to save the country from yourselves.
 Obama can't even save himself. For a politician, he's made some really bad choices in his personal life -- and this is the guy who's going to save our country? Puleeeze! | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 5:48:51 AM | Clinton is quitting.
Clinton is quitting.
Clinton is quitting.
Hubris + poor planning = Defeat.
Going from the front runner to an "also ran"....using every political dirty trick she could think of....and constantly implying that she would force her party to support her will and not the people's all combined to cause her to fail secure the nomination.
Let's hope for her political future that the American trait of forgetting what's happened the day before, kicks in soon. | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 5:52:00 AM | Better get used to it , fly. 
General Election: McCain vs. Obama
Poll Date Sample Obama (D) McCain (R) Spread
RCP Average 05/21 - 06/03 -- 46.7 44.5 Obama +2.2
CBS News 05/30 - 06/03 930 RV 48 42 Obama +6.0
Gallup Tracking 05/29 - 06/03 4412 RV 45 46 McCain +1.0
Rasmussen Tracking 05/31 - 06/03
1600 LV 47 45 Obama +2.0
USA Today/Gallup 05/30 - 06/01
803 RV 47 44 Obama +3.0
Pew Research 05/21 - 05/25 1242 RV 47 44 Obama +3.0
Newsweek 05/21 - 05/22 1205 RV 46 46 Tie
Tuesday, June 3, 2008 at 8:27 pm
Tuesday Obama Polls
There were five new state head-to-head polls today—all of them from SurveyUSA and all of them including match-ups between Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. John McCain along with some VP possibilities.
* SurveyUSA poll in Massachusetts
* SurveyUSA poll in New York
* SurveyUSA poll in Missouri
* SurveyUSA poll in Alabama
* SurveyUSA poll in Kentucky
In Massachusetts Obama leads Sen. John McCain 46% to 41%. The poll was taken from th 16–18 of May. A more recent Rasmussen poll (29 May) has Obama leading at 51% to 38%.
This poll also paired up four McCain vice-presidential possibilities (Huckabee, Romney, Pawlenty and Lieberman) against four Obama vice-presidential possibilities (Edwards, Sebelius, Rendell and Hagel). I computed the average percent match-up spread (taken over all four match-ups) for the eight VP possibilities:
* McCain/Huckabee -4.00%
* McCain/Romney -7.00%
* McCain/Pawlenty -8.50%
* McCain/Lieberman -7.00%
* Obama/Edwards +14.25%
* Obama/Sebelius +5.00%
* Obama/Rendell +4.50%
* Obama/Hagel +2.75%
The pattern here is much like that in other states: Huckabee is the strongest and Pawlenty the weakest of the GOP possibilities examined. Edwards does much better than any of the other Democratic possibilities.
In New York state, Obama has a +10% lead over McCain (48% to 38%). This poll is old–it was taken from 16 May to 18 May. A more recent Rasmussen poll (May 29th) gives Obama a better advantage, 52% to 33%. Another mid-May poll gave Obama a 49% to 38% advantage.
http://hominidviews.com/?p=1583
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Posted: 6/5/2008 6:36:52 AM | Just wait. The other shoe is going to drop. There's always a bounce after a candidate wins the primary process.
You'd better hope that Obama doesn't become President. If he does, there will be rioting in the streets.
PS Edwards has already said he doesn't want to be VP.
PPS: Here's a little tidbit sure to brighten up Obama's day:
Former Obama ally Antoin 'Tony' Rezko found guilty
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-rezko5-2008jun05,0,864831.story
The conviction could have broad repercussions for the Democratic governor, who made Rezko a central player in his Cabinet. It could also prove a political liability for Sen. Barack Obama, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, who once counted Rezko as a friend and fundraiser.
You should also check out the side bar "The Obama/Rezko connection".
Obama really does make bad choices in "former associates", doesn't he? | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 7:05:25 AM | It is stunning to me how many people still would vote based on color.
IN the US, with as many people of color and ethnicity, we still have this enormous bigotry amongst the masses, and it's been said to me multiple times how an assasination attempt would be imminent. Which just goes to show how desperate and futile the zrrepublican party people are. *Hate* has found new direction in that party.
The majority of voters are not emotionally invested in the election. Rather they look at the issues and the qualifications of the candidate.
Just yesterday, CNN reported that numerous talk shows on the election were taking calls from 1000's of people who were in tears, tears of joy, that they finally had hope for desperately needed change, due to Obama winning the ticket. So, people are, in fact, emotionally charged and invested in this election. Much like MLK and JFK, he has brought new hope to a Country so divided as to have become dysfunctional.
If Hillary could have avoided so much of the mudslinging, she might now have a good chance for VP, but... it'll be an uphill battle to regain any such offer after her bitter and twisted approach at vying for the first seat. | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 7:10:12 AM | The conviction could have broad repercussions for the Democratic governor, who made Rezko a central player in his Cabinet. It could also prove a political liability for Sen. Barack Obama, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, who once counted Rezko as a friend and fundraiser.
Good try Flyonthewall!
Obama has already publicly said that is not the Rezko he knows. He found Rezko to be an honest man.
I believe Obama and so should you and everyone else
The same people who say Obama is guilty by association are probably the same evil people who say Hillary has invited Obama out to go hunting with her and Cheney. | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 7:19:40 AM |
IN the US, with as many people of color and ethnicity, we still have this enormous bigotry amongst the masses, and it's been said to me multiple times how an assasination attempt would be imminent.
That's probably true, sick, but true. However, my reasons for not wanting Obama as President have nothing to do with his race. The RIGHT black (woman, Chinese, Hispanic, etc) President would be fine with me.
So, people are, in fact, emotionally charged and invested in this election.
Maybe Obama supporters. The rest of us see right through him.
If Hillary could have avoided so much of the mudslinging, she might now have a good chance for VP
The LAST thing I want to see is Hillary as VP. First of all, I don't want to see her tarnishing her future by associating with this guy, and second, he might actually win if she ran with him. So for both of those reasons I don't want to see a joint ticket.
Obama has already publicly said that is not the Rezko he knows. He found Rezko to be an honest man.
Is this the corollary to "I did not have sex with that woman"?
It seems Obama has the worst judgement in the entire world if he can't pick a friend who doesn't get indicted or wind up on YouTube spouting hate. Kinda makes you wonder.
And when you add that to no damned experience for the job, that clinches the deal. | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 8:12:13 AM |
Maybe Obama supporters. The rest of us see right through him
See through what? He's the only candidate who is capable of answering a direct question.
And to correct you, the Democrats are charged and have shown up enmass to vote. They are emotional about the foreseen change destined to come to fruition.
It really never has been an issue of which party will get elected into office, just a matter of which democrat it is going to be.
A full 1/3 of Clinton voters will turn to McCain if Obama gets the ticket, and I'm sure you're one of them, the staunch feminist who sees women as the salvation of womankind. LOL
If Obama makes the worst decisions, why, then is he now the frontrunner in our Countries most historic presidential race?
Kinda like saying MLK or JFK were idiots; time has certainly shown neither of them to be. | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 9:30:33 AM |
You'd better hope that Obama doesn't become President. If he does, there will be rioting in the streets.
Well at least it'll be a fair fight...he's gonna take your guns away, remember? lol
I'm so looking forward to the next few months!!!! | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 9:53:38 AM |
Obama really does make bad choices in "former associates", doesn't he?
Like Phil Gramm , AFTER going through the Keating Five experience ? 
They wrote Obama off against Hillary, then threw everything but the kitchen sink at him....and he's still gaining ground after defeating a Democratic powerhouse.
Only 151 days left to go, time's running out fly...... | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 9:54:27 AM |
If he does, there will be rioting in the streets. That would have been my prediction if McCain stea--I mean, wins the election. Maybe that's why Hagel is being considered as a running mate: he was part-owner of the Diebold company that produced questionably-reliable and unauditable machines.
For the most part I enjoy re-reading the littany of talking points that have been largely blown out of the water. Keep it up. If y'all don't develop any new strategies and tactics McCain is sure to be swallowed whole by the juggernaut rollin' in after the GOP and their useful Democratic idiots have been minding the ranch for nearly a decade. | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 10:39:38 AM |
That would have been my prediction if McCain stea--I mean, wins the election. Maybe that's why Hagel is being considered as a running mate: he was part-owner of the Diebold company that produced questionably-reliable and unauditable machines.
Isn't it funny that Hagel has appeal to the Independents and Democrats...........
I guess you might say he can deliver the Swing states....... | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 10:58:54 AM |
See through what? He's the only candidate who is capable of answering a direct question.
The above quote is from an Obama Supporter.
A very important direct question was put to him on Iran. In May Obama says Iran is not a real threat. No worries.
Then, yesterday Obama says Iran is a grave ... a real... threat and he (Obama) will eliminate that threat.
Now, my question is... do we worry that Iran radicals are listening to that flip flop and which do they believe. If they believe Obama will eliminate them.. will they do something to us first if he is elected President? | |
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