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Posted: 6/9/2008 7:02:20 AM | I think the whole point is that Obama would like to change things to work better 'his way' because that's how he understands things. And that's how he thinks. But he won't be able to do that to any appreciable degree. A President doesn't have unlimited power, regardless of what Mr Bush and Mr Cheney have been trying to demonstrate for the last 8 years..
For Obama, this will be a problem. It's not about how wonderful and charming he is, or is not. It's about understanding what is necessary to get things done in the Federal System, within the prevailing structure. As I've said elsewhere, he won't have the influence or power to completely redesign how government works. No one person does. So while Washington will have to adjust to him, to a degree, he also will have quite a bit of adjusting to do. Some of which he probably won't be very fond of.
Keep in mind, he's not running for King. He's running for President. Running the Fed is a collective effort of many many people.
-Suth'nBoy
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Posted: 6/9/2008 4:33:28 PM | jack d'ripper:
"I like the media survey media that coverage was balanced......"
LOL, yeah that was classic wasn't it? Months ago CNN did a poll wherein 70% (?!!?) of viewers said that media coverage was biased. So Andy Cooper called in the media pundits who, one by one, pontificated that, on balance, no - in fact, the media coverage was quite balanced. So - there you go. Case closed.
Even last night, David Gergen asked if anyone thought that biased media coverage had affected Clinton's campaign - all three pundits nodded their dissent except for Fay Wattleton, who said basically "absolutely it was biased and if any of those guys had made those comments with a rascist slant they would have been fired, no question." The rest of the panel just sat there dumb-struck, like this was the first time they were hearing it! How out of touch is that! Wattington added "I think the American people are pretty convinced it was biased." Guess it's just the media who don't see it. No wonder people don't look to mainstream media for the true point of view on anything anymore. | |
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Posted: 6/9/2008 4:40:25 PM |
all three pundits nodded their dissent except for Fay Wattleton, who said basically "absolutely it was biased and if any of those guys had made those comments with a rascist slant they would have been fired, no question." The rest of the panel just sat there dumb-struck, like this was the first time they were hearing it! How out of touch is that! Wattington added "I think the American people are pretty convinced it was biased." Guess it's just the media who don't see it. No wonder people don't look to mainstream media for the true point of view on anything anymore.
I am not a Clinton fan as I've stated....butttt, I can honestly say that her Presidential Dem. campaign is really bringing the biases to light... full Bright Lights! Not only with the biased Media... (who use to work to her hubby's favor...but, now Hillary is getting a dose of their medicine on the other side).... anyway,... not only the Media..but, this freakin' Double Standard with Race. Wattleton was right... had the same type comments been said with a race slant... the Reporters would have been fired..on the spot.
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Posted: 6/9/2008 5:04:18 PM | Perhaps Hillary could learn to be a bit more media savvy.
Maybe if she accepted the VP role, she could study a bit under Obama. Get her political training wheels, so to speak. | |
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Posted: 6/9/2008 5:10:27 PM | I Cracked up when all these people say they demand the "Fairness Doctrine" back .........LMAO
I turned all these "PROGRESSIVES" off.......
What a bunch of wimps....... Afraid of LIBERAL!!!!!!
James A. Michiner wrote a Op about what liberal means.
When I hear Progressive I want to throw up.........It's Chick crap....
I am not a Progressive and I support the Fat A$$ in the pant suit, and her sleeze Racist Husband....
Perhaps Hillary could learn to be a bit more media savvy.
Maybe if she accepted the VP role, she could study a bit under Obama. Get her political training wheels, so to speak.
Sure...... | |
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Posted: 6/9/2008 5:18:31 PM | Clank....Clank................. Cabring......... (as the training wheels come loose and roll down the street)
Soooo, that was the sound I heard as Obama jumped off of the Wright bike.
I don't think H. Clinton would have stopped long enough to bother with kicking those wheels aside.
EDIT:
Hybrid .....
Wright/Father Michael Pfleger...
Training wheels....
Dang! Good one! Wish I had thought of that! | |
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Posted: 6/9/2008 5:20:57 PM |
I don't think H. Clinton would have stopped long enough to kick those wheels aside.
No, if it was someone dragging her down, you'd hear ka-thump ka-thump ka-thump as she ran over the guy. | |
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Posted: 6/9/2008 5:30:32 PM |
No, if it was someone dragging her down, you'd hear ka-thump ka-thump ka-thump as she ran over the guy.
yes Simmah, how long do you give it before something happens to Bill? | |
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Posted: 6/9/2008 5:58:38 PM | | LOL No kidding, he pretty much did her absolutley no good during all that. I think she'll push him on Obama and flee. Obama can use him for his bubba appeal, but after that, who knows what'll happen to Bill, God rest his formerly admirable soul. | |
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Posted: 6/9/2008 8:28:08 PM |
LOL No kidding, he pretty much did her absolutley no good during all that. I think she'll push him on Obama and flee. Obama can use him for his bubba appeal, but after that, who knows what'll happen to Bill, God rest his formerly admirable soul.
Its funny how much disrespect is shown for the Last successful Democratic President........
That really encourages all the Independents and Undecided to Vote Democratic.......
Obama wants to go back to the Reagan years.
Sen. Barack Obama opened the door when he said the following in an interview with the Reno Gazette-Journal:
I don't want to present myself as some sort of singular figure. I think part of what's different are the times...I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. I think they felt like with all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s and government had grown and grown but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating. I think people, he just tapped into what people were already feeling, which was we want clarity we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing.
"When you think about what Ronald Reagan did to the American people, to the middle class to the working people," former Sen. John Edwards shot back at an event in Henderson, Nevada. "He was openly -- openly-- intolerant of unions and the right to organize. He openly fought against the union and the organized labor movement in this country...He openly did extraordinary damage to the middle class and working people, created a tax structure that favored the very wealthiest Americans and caused the middle class and working people to struggle every single day. The destruction of the environment, you know, eliminating regulation of companies that were polluting and doing extraordinary damage to the environment."
Edwards added, "I can promise you this: this president will never use Ronald Reagan as an example for change."
Sounds like a ad for McCain?
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Posted: 6/9/2008 10:19:53 PM | Jack you are so right!
Nothing like telling somebody what an idiot they were for supporting the B*tch and then "oh, by the way, can I have your vote?" LOL!
Like I said on another thread it's not about Clinton asking her supporters to get behind Obama, it's about the Obama supporters taking their collective feet out of their mouths long enough to ask, nicely, for Clinton voters support. They just don't get it. I think it's going to cost them the election. November is too close to right this wrong in time. | |
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Posted: 6/10/2008 4:35:58 AM | Nobody should have to get down on their knees and beg for your vote. That's an insult to your thinking skills. If you can't see that both Hillary and Obama were trying to win and that's how the game is played then you're not seeing clearly. Hillary tried far more dirty tactics than Obama did throughout the whole thing. What I see is that you're upset that your gal lost. I can empathize. But if you value your vote....you will not be being true to yourself if you are truly democrat by nature and vote for someone who is so far on the other side of the coin.
As I said before, don't vote with your emotions. You'll be sorry for it later. | |
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Posted: 6/10/2008 5:38:01 AM | Obama supporters have so demonized and trashed Clinton that I wonder WHY would you possibly think, her going independent would help McCain? Clinton demonized herself, she didn't need any help. She couldnt win even half of the democratic vote (look at the popular vote counts...hell, even in michigan she lost 40% of the vote to "none of the above!") Everyone else has been demonizing Obama -- calling him muslim, etc. I find it ironic that a suthn boy is the OP -- do I smell a cross burning? What you all fail to realize is that Obama (and others) were groomed to run against HRC by the democratic party itself -- because in 2006 HRC was deemed unelectable by the general public.... | |
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Posted: 6/10/2008 7:20:21 AM | "Nobody should have to get down on their knees and beg for your vote."
Absolutely right Simmah.
And nobody who publicly and systematically slags and disrespects a candidate and their supporters should EXPECT to get that vote either. | |
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Posted: 6/10/2008 7:29:52 AM |
Hillary tried far more dirty tactics than Obama did throughout the whole thing. What I see is that you're upset that your gal lost. I can empathize.
Clinton supporters don't know how to deal with defeat? Many supported Alida Stevenson.
Obama is not Mr Clean Jeans.
Tavis Smiley, Or Clinton Bloggers on Huffington. Or Kios.
Why Did Obama do so well at Caucus?
And nobody who publicly and systematically slags and disrespects a candidate and their supporters should EXPECT to get that vote either
It is in your face.......even with Clinton support, not enough or what does she have in mind. | |
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Posted: 6/10/2008 7:46:34 AM | “If you can't see that both Hillary and Obama were trying to win and that's how the game is played then you're not seeing clearly. Hillary tried far more dirty tactics than Obama did throughout the whole thing.”
I think it is you who is not seeing clearly Simmah. You and the national media and all the other Obama supporters. You just don’t get it, do you? Clinton and Obama BOTH engaged in their share of dirty tactics and smearing. From where I sit, it was pretty equal, so I am not going to waste any time on this thread defending Clinton or attacking Obama. You are entitled to your opinion; I don’t share it.
I will say that in the absence of the national media asking the hard questions about Obama’s ability to lead and his ideas – the substance behind the “change” slogan if you will, Clinton had no choice but to do their job for them and she was royally vilified by Obama supporters and democrats at large for doing so. Party unity and all that. Dirty tactics. She’d do anything to win etc etc. As you say, that’s the game they were trying to win, but with the media stacked against you, tactics change to respond to that. I don’t think Obama supporters can see that clearly, perhaps time and distance will improve their perspective, and certainly when the press turns that poison on your boy there. I, for one, can’t wait to see how he handles that – being the kinder, gentler, change and hope candidate you know? I’ll be sympathetic when the collective bleating and cries of “unfair” and the inevitable race card is thrown onto that pyre. But only just a little. For the most part, I'll expect him to suck it up and take it on the chin.
“What I see is that you're upset that your gal lost. “
Yes, but you’re wrong. I’m upset because of the WAY she lost, and I’m upset that a grossly inferior candidate was vaulted to a position he has done nothing to deserve except be charming and glib. Even the media are (belatedly) starting to ask just what he means by ‘change’ and what, specifically, is he going to do about this and that. Are you comforted by his answers? I’m not. And neither are a lot of other voters.
The whole Obama strategy here, as I see it, is “vote for Obama because you don’t want McBush.” Well, McCain is not Bush no matter how often the slogan is slammed down our throats. Voters are listening to what the candidates have to say. Clinton supporters are not obliged to hand their vote over to Obama, he has to EARN it. His responses to the tough questions are not winning him any points. And his rabid supporters continual slagging of the ‘missed it by a nose’ loser, and her 18 million voters, is hardly going to win them over either.
No one is asking you to ‘get on your knees and beg for votes” here, but you are expected to win the right to those votes through intelligent discourse on difficult subjects. So far, I’m not seeing that strategy employed. | |
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Posted: 6/10/2008 2:26:42 PM | And nobody who publicly and systematically slags and disrespects a candidate and their supporters should EXPECT to get that vote either.
It's not clear to me here who you're talking about. Are you talking about Obama, who you're not giving any examples of your thought process on, or are you talking about Clinton, who told millions of people that John McCain would be a better president than Barack Obama? Are you talking about Hillary, who made fun of Obama and his supporters when she said "and the skies will open....."? Are you talking about Hillary when she said the "hard working people...hard working white people"?
hmm. Funny, I thought you liked her. | |
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Posted: 6/10/2008 2:42:13 PM |
Like I said on another thread it's not about Clinton asking her supporters to get behind Obama, it's about the Obama supporters taking their collective feet out of their mouths long enough to ask, nicely, for Clinton voters support.
And nobody who publicly and systematically slags and disrespects a candidate and their supporters should EXPECT to get that vote either.
If there's one thing I find amusing, it's mudslingers who hail their superior votes.
If anything, it was Obama who refrained from mudslinging, the likes of which 'Hill' Clinton and her support base will be reknowned and remembered for.
I dare say, I would support "the Hill', were she to garner enough support to win the ticket, but she didn't. That's the irony with a vast number of 'Hill" supporters. They;'d rather throw a wrench in the political spokes of change than to elect her parties opponent.
Kinda reminds me of the spoiled little kid who took their ball home because he/she didn't like that they also had to allow someone else a chance to kick.
There's gonna be an emormous amount of disgruntled, need I say, disenfranchised Democrats AND Republicans this election year.
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Posted: 6/10/2008 2:58:53 PM |
Kinda reminds me of the spoiled little kid who took their ball home because he/she didn't like that they also had to allow someone else a chance to kick.
Reminds me of the kids on the playground who, in the midst of an argument, throws out 'names'... 'Hill'...'Shillery'...'Hitlery'.... 'McSame'.... 'Neokkk', etc. etc.
Note: Which Nominee's Camp is doing this???
3 Guesses... First 2 don't count.
If the shoe fits, don't kick it off... You might need it again someday to hurl at someone. | |
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Posted: 6/10/2008 3:08:47 PM |
Well then you guys should be wishing she was the one going after Osama bin Laden LOL
She couldn't do any worse than Bush has. A CIA operative on the ground in Tora Bora calling for Army Rangers to attack a confirmed location of bin Laden, Bush decided to send in the Northern Alliance. Bush said no to airstrikes and yes to donkey power. Just goes to show what kind od jackass your hero really is.
War President
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Posted: 6/10/2008 4:20:37 PM |
Reminds me of the kids on the playground who, in the midst of an argument, throws out 'names'... 'Hill'...'Shillery'...'Hitlery'.... 'McSame'.... 'Neokkk', etc. etc.
Note: Which Nominee's Camp is doing this???
3 Guesses... First 2 don't count.
Who needs 3 guesses? The answer is easy: all the camps. Why did you leave out "Nobama", "Osama", "Barack HUSSEIN Obama", and the other anti-Obama names? | |
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Posted: 6/10/2008 4:26:32 PM |
Who needs 3 guesses? The answer is easy: all the camps. Why did you leave out "Nobama", "Osama", "Barack HUSSEIN Obama", and the other anti-Obama names?
I haven't seen the reference to 'Nobama'... as for Osama.. The Dems. own Camp said that, by mistake I guess, on TV... and is Hussein not Obama's middle name? Surely that can't be counted as a 'jab'.
Guess I was referencing what I see written over and over and over on the Forum here. But, I musta overlooked the 'Nobama' one. My bad. | |
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