| If Clinton Doesn't Get the Nomination...
Posted: 5/29/2008 10:39:53 AM | Here's a straight up question for those conservative folks: How will McCain maintain FISCAL conservatism while paying for a costly foreign war during a serious recession without resorting to increased taxation or further deficeit spending? Both of which, I think we can agree, are NOT fiscally conservative.
Not a whole lot of social programs left to cut....& SS/Medicare reform to any great extent would seriously piss off his elder constituents. Not to mention that same demographic you mention that has been paying into the system for years, only to see it dismantled w/ no return on their investment. | |
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| If Clinton Doesn't Get the Nomination...
Posted: 5/29/2008 12:16:14 PM | If Clinton doesn't get the nomination, I believe, imho, that many of those votes will go to McCain.
Now... I did some research and am using a link that several of our Canadian friends utilize for reference. I wanted to understand why Citizens of other Nations are so interested in our Presidential races...
It seems in Canada that their Prime Minister is appointed? And, that many seats in the Senate are appointed? Also, that the Conservatives Senate want a general election...but, the Liberals do not?
Anyway, no wonder such high interest in a Nation like the USA where, be it electoral or popular vote.... we elect our President and all of Congress. So, even though we disagree,... we have the right to vote.
Here's the link and maybe a Canadian can give us more details so we can understand their government as well as ours is covered here. Thanks in advance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Canada | |
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| If Clinton Doesn't Get the Nomination...
Posted: 5/29/2008 1:04:52 PM | If she would like to turn the political stage into a three ring circus where she could be the biggest clown, she can certainly do that. And once McCain wins she can then go around blaming the Obama supporters.
This is only a delusional idea of some people who can't bring themselves to accept the fact that the nominee of the Democratic Party, fair and square, will be Obama.
For the country's sake, all people who care for the future of their children and grandchildren ought to rally behind Obama in order to restore the American dream. | |
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Posted: 5/29/2008 1:16:14 PM | Yeah, beacause Clinton lies, and Obama is just ignorant of the facts:
O-Bomb-a-gaffes
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2007/03/sweet_column_item_obamas_gaffe.html
• Marking the anniversary of the March 1965 "Bloody Sunday" in Selma, Ala., Obama, speaking at a church, said his parents got together "because of what happened in Selma." Obama was born in 1961.
• Obama told Larry King on CNN -- asked about that anti-Hillary Rodham Clinton YouTube ad, a doctored version of a spot created for Apple computers -- "We don't have the technical capacity to create something like that."
Obama did not know what he was talking about. Any professional media consultant can manipulate images on video. Turns out the creator -- unmasked last week as a political operative who worked for a firm overseeing the technical side of Obama's Web site -- made it at home on a Mac.
• Obama, asked if homosexuality was immoral, in the wake of comments by Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Gen. Peter Pace, sidestepped the question. After pressure from gay groups, Obama issued a statement stating he did not agree with Pace "that homosexuality is immoral."
Cynicism is like terrorism?
• One of Obama's stump lines is that the biggest obstacle he fights is not any of his rivals, it is cynicism. He used a variation of it during a reception he hosted at a conference here sponsored by AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. Displaying a tin ear, Obama said that one of the enemies is not "just terrorists" or "just Hezbollah" or "just Hamas" -- "it's also cynicism."
• The Tribune dug this up: Obama, in his memoir, Dreams of My Father, writes of a story in Life magazine that influenced him -- about a black man trying to bleach his skin white. No such article could be found in Life or Ebony.
Insider or outsider?
• Another Obama stump line -- he said it again Tuesday morning to the Communications Workers of America here -- is that "I've been long enough in Washington to know that Washington needs to change." He is running against Washington yet his campaign is populated with political professionals who are Washington insiders.
• Obama's embrace of some rhetoric used by rival John Edwards is getting attention. Edwards, in a 2003 speech made for his first presidential run said, "I've spent enough time in Washington to know how much we need to change Washington." | |
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Posted: 5/29/2008 1:21:49 PM | Well, I'm just one Canadian so I won't speak for everyone in my country, but I think because America considers itself the leader of the free world, not without some justification, there is going to be a lot of interest from a lot of countries about what happens there. The countries closest to the U.S. have a significant vested interest. Besides, it's way more interesting this year than any primary I've ever seen (and way more interesting than what's happening here!)
Our Prime Minister is elected. The senate is appointed. If a Liberal government is in power for an extended period of time, the number of appointments to the Senate tend to sway in favour of Liberals, and vice versa. The conservatives are in power - one of their campaign platforms was senate reform - to have an elected senate, but in the meantime they're stacking every vacancy with a conservative appointee.
Right now the polls favour the conservatives, who have 18 months left to govern before they HAVE to call a general election. Liberals would rather wait and see if they can't turn that around, but with the hapless leader they have elected, and the political fall out from the last liberal government, that's an uphill slog. Conservatives can call the election at any time but they must call it when their term ends in 18 months. | |
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Posted: 5/29/2008 2:53:49 PM | Thanks easyoneverything! Appreciated!
It's nice to know the workings of other Countries. I love learning. Should have asked sooner.
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| If Clinton Doesn't Get the Nomination...
Posted: 5/29/2008 4:35:37 PM | Jedi Girl,
Easyoneverything's explanation of Canadian poiltics was a little off.
As you know, the Queen is our head of state (as she is with the majority of commonwealth nations).
Every 5 years Her Majesty must choose a new prime minister for the Dominion, and this is done at Buckingham palace. The leaders of the main political parties must gather there for a tea and crumpet party. This is done every fifth year on the third Saturday after the Stanley Cup has been awarded (it's Sunday if a Canadian team wins - gives the nation an extra day to recover from the hangover so we can watch the process on the telly)
Each party leader must choose one of Her Majesty's Welsh corgis to represent his or her political party and dress the dog in the appropriate colours: Red for the Liberal Party, blue for the Conservatives, orange for the New Democrats, and a murky brown for the Marijuana Party. In past years other parties have been represented, but those are the main ones - the big four as we like to call them up here. (One year the Queen was scandalized when members of the Social Credit party neglected to bring an appropriate outfit for the dog and tried to jerryrig something out of a fuscia coloured tablecloth from the tea party. The Liberals protested, saying the colour resembled their own too much, and the leader of the SoCreds, Sir Morton Tupperware was escorted off the property amidst blustery protests.)
Anyway, the dogs are lined up and have to chase a mechanical rabbit thrice around the Royal Mews. Palace guards are lined along the path the dogs must run to ensure that they stray from the path. Should a dog stop before finishing the race, the guards are instructed to start singing "Rule Brittania" in falsetto to lend the dog inspiration and get him on his way. Should a dog stop for a second time, he is out of the race and the party he represents is disqualified from gaining representation in the lower house. (Historically this is what always happens to the Marijuana party, as they tend to be poor judges of a dog's character and inevitably choose the weakest one).
The party with the winning dog gets the most seats in the house, members of that parties delegation must serenade the Queen in turn. The Queen will pick the member who she believes to have the most forthright character based on his singing ability to be the next prime minister.
The second and third place finishers will be granted the corresponding number of seats in the house based on where they were on the course when the winning dog crossed the line. For each nasbit (a measurement equaling the distance from the tip of King Henry VIII's nose to his outstreched fingertip - next election we will be switching to metric though, as there is some dispute about the accuracy of this measurement now) that the representative Royal dog is behind the winning dog, the party in question loses one seat from a starting number of 101 (a number representative of the number of mentally unstable children that King Henry VIII was reputed to have fathered and hidden in the basement of Alnwick castle in northern England).
And thats how we in Canada elect our governments.
It's a lot simpler and easier to figure out than the American election process that I'm currently witnessing. | |
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Posted: 5/29/2008 7:00:43 PM | of course, how silly of me to forget the corgi's and the queen and the stanley cup! I stand corrected, thank you unintersted. ;-)
Suthn Boy, not so old fashioned that it isn't still the best way. It's really nice to see a man approach these issues with that perspective. | |
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| If Clinton Doesn't Get the Nomination...
Posted: 5/29/2008 8:15:00 PM |
The Tribune dug this up: Obama, in his memoir, Dreams of My Father, writes of a story in Life magazine that influenced him -- about a black man trying to bleach his skin white. No such article could be found in Life or Ebony.
Insider or outsider?
Again, more disinformation. It seems the article is on record, but in Time Magazine (Friday, Oct. 28, 1966 issue)
WHAT THE NEGRO HAS-AND HAS NOT-GAINED
There is a trend among Negro coeds and career girls to wear their hair "natural" instead of attempting to unkink it by "conking"—rinsing it with lye and binding it with handkerchiefs. Yet for every Negro who flaunts his identity, a hundred try to camouflage it. Advertisements in the Negro magazines still hymn Nadinola skin bleach: "Lightens and brightens skin."
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,899347-5,00.html
Nadinola skin bleach is STILL on the market.
Peiss's analysis precludes the possibility of African Americans with light skins passing for white by using skin-whitening creams, while claiming that eastern and southern European women with "dark skin tones" could do so, implicitly offers skin-whitening as 'legitimate' when practicd by 'white' women and as 'illegitimate' and futile for women of colour. This is also the paradigm of much of the published medical literature on the health risks associated with the use of skin-whitening creams with toxic chemical agents. Even though white women have been using both lead and mercury based skin-whitening creams in order to whiten their faces and bodies for centuries, when it comes to warning the public about the dangers associated with this deadly practice, it is often the terribly damaged faces of women of colour which are used for visual illustration.
For example, almost all the medical literature published by western medical and dermatology journals offer us women of colour as victims of the dubious desire for unattainable corporeal whiteness. This same unattainable desire is often reinforced with horrifying images of the damaged faces and bodies of women of color after using cheap skin-whitening creams containing toxic chemical agents such as ammoniated mercury, corticosteroids, and hydroquinone.
http://www.counterpunch.org/mire07282005.html
That article was written in 2005, and actually shows some of that disfiguring. Those types of skin lighteners would have certainly been part of magazine advertising in that era - as they even are today.
I've seen similar products here, in East-Indian markets. | |
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| If Clinton Doesn't Get the Nomination...
Posted: 5/30/2008 1:32:58 AM | Suth'n Boy said:
If Clinton doesn't get the nomination,
She should probably run Independent,
and run against both Obama AND McCain!
 Your thought has my vote, Suth. It's the most exciting idea I've heard yet and actually has real possibility. I think she would clean up in the general. I certainly prefer this alternative to voting McCain. Let's hope at the end of the day it's not too late for her to exercise this option if it becomes necessary. | |
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Posted: 5/30/2008 11:10:12 AM | Your thought has my vote, Suth. It's the most exciting idea I've heard yet and actually has real possibility. I think she would clean up in the general. I certainly prefer this alternative to voting McCain. Let's hope at the end of the day it's not too late for her to exercise this option if it becomes necessary.
Thanks Suth'nLass!  I too think it's a viable option, could very well solve the problem and get Clinton elected! I agree she would likely run the table in the General election, against both McCain AND Obama.  She's just a much better candidate, especially due to Obama's declining recent popularity, and the final recognition that he's not the next coming of the Messiah, after all.
I have written to the campaign suggesting this, but of course they get millions and millios of emails, so I'll do it some more as well.
Maybe if they heard from a lot of us suggesting this? That might help.. 
As for those who have said it would be death for her politically thereafter, we haven't seen that with Lieberman, who isn't anything to write home about to begin with, and this is the Presidential Campaign! Everything else pales by comparison.
Even if this didn't ultmately work out for her, I suspect she'd still be re-elected to the Senate in a heartbeat. But that's a minor consideration next to this one. .
-Suth'nBoy
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Posted: 5/30/2008 1:59:40 PM | I just wrote the campaign again via their web site about this.
Hopefully in the event of a loss in the upcoming week, they'll seriously consider her running as an Independent..
More of us should be Independent Populists anyway, shunning party dictations and partisanism in favor of substance, and for the good of the people and the middle classes!
Jump on in.. The water's fine... 
-Suth'nBoy 
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| If Clinton Doesn't Get the Nomination...
Posted: 5/30/2008 2:12:09 PM | Great idea. She could pick Lieberman as her VP and win by a landslide and then we would all come together and live in peaceful harmony in a big field of daisies. Now stop Bogarting that joint and pass it around, man.
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