| If Clinton Doesn't Get the Nomination...
Posted: 5/30/2008 2:17:59 PM | | If Obama is the nominee, I will not vote for him. It is the first time in 29 years that I won't vote for the Democratic nominee. It was bad enough that the election was stolen by Republicans in 2000, and again through vote tampering in Ohio in 2004. I certainly cannot support my party when they have participated in a campaign to disenfranchise voters in Michigan and Florida. I will write in Hillary. | |
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| If Clinton Doesn't Get the Nomination...
Posted: 5/30/2008 2:28:17 PM | She could pick Lieberman as her VP
You almost made me lose my lunch with that little jewel!! 
Besides that's McCain's running mate.. And that's a much better fit..
Good thoughts Green Sangha! I largely share your viewpoint, even though I may still vote for Obama over McCain if that's all we have left. Albeit reluctantly, and with raised eyebrow..
-Suth'nBoy 
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Posted: 5/30/2008 2:30:46 PM | Great idea. She could pick Lieberman as her VP and win by a landslide and then we would all come together and live in peaceful harmony in a big field of daisies. Now stop Bogarting that joint and pass it around, man.
The peaceful harmony comes after they nuke Iran.
Seriously folks, how many of you think that Hitlery, Osama, or McSame really stand for change? They are Washington insiders to the core and only delusional people think otherwise. | |
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| If Clinton Doesn't Get the Nomination...
Posted: 5/30/2008 2:32:24 PM |
I certainly cannot support my party when they have participated in a campaign to disenfranchise voters in Michigan and Florida. I will write in Hillary.
Hahahaha, are you serious? Hillary signed that exact same pledge to "disenfranchise" the voters. She's as responsible for that as any of the other candidates.
Now you're going to write her in?
Your logic is astounding. | |
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Posted: 5/30/2008 2:53:37 PM | Clinton would never pick Ron Paul for a VP if she gets the nomination. Besides the fact that his views and sincirity are not a good mesh for her, he also has a backbone.
Clinton will pick a 'Dan Quayle" type of candidate. Someone to just run out for the camera every so often, but otherwise will be told "go sit in the corner and STFU until I tell you to talk." She would NEVER pick a strong personality that would take away any of her spotlight. | |
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Posted: 5/30/2008 3:25:16 PM | If Clinton doesn't get the nomination, she should spare us and go away. I have had my fill of her. But sadly she won't let that happen. She has to be in the spotlight and she must get her power. Whatever is best for Hillary is her way and I am quite tired of it and her.
Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out...PLEASE! | |
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Posted: 5/30/2008 3:32:23 PM | I like your idea Suth'n Boy of us all being independent Populists, which is what I consider myself. The only candidates I saw in the primaries that might have been Populists were Edwards and Huckabee. I would have voted for either one of them.
I think if we could hold the primaries all over again Hillary would fare much better this time, as there was yet another (ahem) sermon at Obama's church that made the election look more like Roscoes House of Chicken and Waffles than a Presidential campaign. | |
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Posted: 5/30/2008 4:07:54 PM | That was quite a sermon too RDtoo. Arguably even more out-and-out loony that is Wright himself!! I just saw it again a moment ago. The man is literally imbalanced!! And this guy is a Chicago Priest too. Scary! Also a 20-year close friend of Obama however. I'm not sure Barack makes the most viable choices in spiritual leadership. 
I agree about if the primaries were run now. I suspect she'd run away with it. Which is why I suggest Clinton would fare well as an Independent. It would be like starting all over again in many ways. And in the General right now, it's pretty clear to me she'd win by quite a margin. Obama is not nearly as strong as he once was, due to all the recent skeletons coming out of the closet.
-Suth'nBoy
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| If Clinton Doesn't Get the Nomination...
Posted: 5/30/2008 4:34:36 PM |
I certainly cannot support my party when they have participated in a campaign to disenfranchise voters in Michigan and Florida. I will write in Hillary.
So if Hillary had become the Democratic nominee, you would write in Obama? | |
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| If Clinton Doesn't Get the Nomination...
Posted: 5/30/2008 4:42:32 PM |
If Clinton doesn't get the nomination ... I will not be voting for Obama ... and I know a lot of others who feel the same way.
If she doesn't get the nomination ... we can pretty much just count on 4 more years of the same and hope that she'll still be up for running for President in 2012. | |
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| If Clinton Doesn't Get the Nomination...
Posted: 5/30/2008 4:44:53 PM |
Obama is not nearly as strong as he once was, due to all the recent skeletons coming out of the closet.
That much is true. I agree that as they pile up it does make the Democrat's position more tenuous.
Still I think it's sad that it's considered that older skeletons are better. We get so used to a person's moral bankruptcy over time that we're willing to accept it as opposed to recently learning that someone else may almost be as bad. | |
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| If Clinton Doesn't Get the Nomination...
Posted: 5/30/2008 4:48:29 PM | If Clinton doesn't get the nomination ...
I will not be voting for Obama ... and I know a lot of others who feel the same way.
If she doesn't get the nomination ... we can pretty much just count on 4 more years of the same and hope that she'll still be up for running for President in 2012.
People like you make me ashamed of having been a democrat. What you're saying makes you sound like a crybaby who's taking their marbles and going home and nothing more. It's obvious you care more about your (losing) choice rather than your party the country or any principles. It sounds like the "Lieberman syndrome" is spreading. Get wise. Either you support Obama or you get Bush III. Is that what you really want? Would you take responsibility for four more miserable years of the same shit just because your horse lost the race? Then you're no democrat. If you think she lost because she's a woman and all her enemies are sexist misogynists? That's pure rubbish. Almost every thinking person seems to realize that. | |
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Posted: 5/30/2008 4:49:41 PM | I see RDtoo has been put in the witness protection program. They coulda done a better job in changing your name.
Okeydoke... R2-D2 ... Time to get yer arss back to CP3O and the rest of the gang. We're working on the ship to get outta here and back on track to the right star system. Hurry..hurry... time's awastin'.
Me thinks it's a moot point now...Obama will be the Dem. Nom. and he and McCain will be 'going atit' soon!  Even though this has been 'entertaining' to watch unfold (the Dem. nom. race).... can't wait for the real one.
Clinton will fight to the end... and keep figuring out how she can maneuver to be in charge of the Senate till 2012... where it all starts again. | |
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| If Clinton Doesn't Get the Nomination...
Posted: 5/30/2008 5:03:47 PM |
I certainly cannot support my party when they have participated in a campaign to disenfranchise voters in Michigan and Florida
It was more the fault of the legislators in those states trying to 'cut in line' to have a strong voice in the primary than it was the fault of the candidates.....when it all started.
Hillary signed a document that said she would not campaign in those states, would not have her name on the ballot, and would accept the fallout of the rules the DNC set down on those two states. She then changed her mind when it became apparent she was losing. So Hillary is the one you should be more worried about, really. | |
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Posted: 5/30/2008 5:04:03 PM | Cotter said:
If Clinton doesn't get the nomination ... I will not be voting for Obama ... and I know a lot of others who feel the same way. If she doesn't get the nomination ... we can pretty much just count on 4 more years of the same and hope that she'll still be up for running for President in 2012.
Well, not if she were to decide to run as an Independent. That's what's being suggested here. Frankly as such, she'd probably win by a considerable margin, in that case. Which would be two milestones at once. A woman, and an Independent.
Much of America seems to be deciding it really has significant reservations about this new guy from Chicago, and he may not be able to beat McCain after all.
But it's almost too late for that now, by way of the traditional election process. Because he's all but got the nomination. So why not step outside tradition?
-Suth'nBoy
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Posted: 5/30/2008 5:09:49 PM | | She doesn't have the money to run anymore...and I think people will by then be just about done with sending her their own hard earned funds. And I really don't think the independents will be rushing to get this done, either. | |
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| If Clinton Doesn't Get the Nomination...
Posted: 5/30/2008 5:16:34 PM | But look at the remaining alternatives if she doesn't
I've had a good look at the remaining alternatives, and I can only say:
Obama '08!!!
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Posted: 5/30/2008 5:38:34 PM | Yeah, she's already blown about 120 million dollars losing a contest that she was leading by a huge margin. I guess she's the perfect example of someone who started at the top and worked her way down.
As for funding, seeing that her campaign is already 20 million in debt, and will be about another 10 mil or so by the time she gets the boot, I guess Suth'n boy's going to have to step up to the plate and lend her the 100 million or so that she'd have to spend on a very frugal run as an independant, as well as pay off the existing 30 million she owes. Someone's going to have to, seeing as she can't raise funds on her own any more.
Maybe Southernlass can split the tab, about 65 million apiece.
Here's an article that I dug up from 2 years ago when Hillary had an 80% approval rating among democrats. I highly doubt that anybody has ever fallen so far so fast in the history of the party.
It's also not clear how big the anti-Hillary Democratic group is. Eighty percent of Democrats approve of her, according to one poll, a shocking number given how bleakly they view other party leaders. The 20 percent is going to have to find a challenger they can all agree on. Right now, "Democratic activists are looking for someone out in the wilderness," as Donna Brazile puts it—a perfect candidate not allied to Washington who has authenticity and a backbone. None of the known Hillary alternatives seems to have the purity necessary for this exacting constituency (I'm not counting Gore). Even if such a candidate could be found, they're not only going to have to present an attractive alternative vision to Hillary, but they're going to have to attack her. Their constituency applauds such acts of truth-telling, and Hillary's momentum will probably demand it. Democratic primary candidates were for a long time too afraid to attack Howard Dean in 2004. Will one of them in 2008 be willing to attack Hillary and risk alienating women voters?
http://www.slate.com/id/2141639/
One more week, and you can all stop your
It'll be over. | |
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| If Clinton Doesn't Get the Nomination...
Posted: 5/30/2008 5:47:46 PM | If Clinton Doesn't Get the Nomination...I think she's going to really regret not running in 2004. Against Kerry, she would have been a shoe in.
Worst case scenario, for her, is that Obama wins it and does a good enough job to get re-elected. That means she's 68 when her next roll of the dice comes.
What's worse ? She should be thinking that if McCain gets in, that would be even worse for the country. I doubt that's crossed her mind as many times as the first concept has. | |
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Posted: 5/30/2008 6:08:58 PM | | I agree with those that say she should just hold out until 2012. If she continues to sabotage Obama’s campaign, McCain will win the national election and if he falls on his face or dies depending on how you think a McCain term will go. He will be ripe for the picking for her in the next election. | |
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| If Clinton Doesn't Get the Nomination...
Posted: 5/30/2008 6:19:28 PM |
If you think she lost because she's a woman and all her enemies are sexist misogynists? That's pure rubbish. Almost every thinking person seems to realize that. LMAO ... soooo what I wrote ...
If Clinton doesn't get the nomination ...
I will not be voting for Obama ... and I know a lot of others who feel the same way. ... translates into me thinking that she's losing because she's a woman and all of her enemies are sexist misogynists? That's hilarious!!! Where do you people come up with this SH!T???
What you're saying makes you sound like a crybaby who's taking their marbles and going home and nothing more. It's obvious you care more about your (losing) choice rather than your party the country or any principles. Actually, it's because I have principles that I believe in ... that I will not be voting for Obama.
Basically, what you are saying is that no matter how we feel, no matter what we think of the candidate, no matter what that candidate represents to us ... we should just vote for that person ... NO QUESTIONS ASKED?
No matter that the person in question does not represent anything that I stand for ... just vote for that person because others have decided (based on what they believe to be appropriate) that person is the person to vote for?
That was a joke ...RIGHT?
Same principle probably applies when voting for the school board (in our local community a few years back). No matter that I had inside information that the candidate had a criminal record that really did not mix well with "children". (I had inside information that I was not free to share with others, but no matter what, I knew I was not going to vote for that person.)
Should I have just gone along with others and thrown my principles out the window?
OR
Should I vote my principles and "take my marbles home and nothing more"?
I have already made my point of view clear. This is about "race" ... not a presidential race. I want nothing to do with a "Race" race. Even if Obama wins the "RACE" race ... I do not foresee anything will be different than it has been for the past 8 years. He doesn't impress me as capable of changing a damn thing from what we now have.
On the other hand ... if he does win, I do know how my personal life will be impacted, but this is not the thread to go into that. | |
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| If Clinton Doesn't Get the Nomination...
Posted: 5/30/2008 7:17:03 PM |
Basically, what you are saying is that no matter how we feel, no matter what we think of the candidate, no matter what that candidate represents to us ... we should just vote for that person ... NO QUESTIONS ASKED?
Should I vote my principles and "take my marbles home and nothing more"?
No.
You can sit back, and watch McCain get elected.
Watch the economy stagger and fall, a possible war with Iran start, and also get (for no extra charge) the chance to see Roe vs Wade overturned.
Again, read up on McCain, and what his platforms involve - and who's behind him.
This is something every Democrat better realize, and realize quick. If they don't, they will have signed off on a McCain presidency.
Not taking an action isn't absolving yourself of responsibility - it's complicity by lack of a realization of what that non-involvement means in November. | |
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| If Clinton Doesn't Get the Nomination...
Posted: 5/30/2008 8:34:16 PM | Why would McCain get elected?
This entire strategy is designed to keep McCain FROM getting elected! Along with saving the country of course. (also a minor consideration).
-Suth'nBoy
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