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 almondcookie

Joined: 6/28/2006
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Posted: 7/9/2008 8:27:09 PM
I'd have to say bitter in general, given her posting history. I've been here for a couple of years and this is the only topic she ever posts on, and it's the same litany every time. (And before you go running to report me to the mods again, it's an observation, not an attack.)


This is a bare faced lie, I have posted about a NUMBER of topics including:

- Japan
- sushi
- Reggae music
- The cash flow game
- horse riding
- solo travel
- chess
- international dating
- cruises
- sex before marriage
- widows wearing wedding rings
- the British TV show about finding a mate
- cooking
- instant chemisty

and MANY other topics. Wonkabar you have an axe to grind take it elsewhere and leave me out of it.
 Feedback1

Joined: 3/8/2008
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Posted: 7/10/2008 8:18:10 AM
Well it took while but I finally saw another couple....Black male/Asian female in the downtown Toronto Chinatown area (Spadina area if you know the area) They were buying stuff from a fruit/veggie market.......I tend to people watch so while I waited for the streetcar.....I observed them for a bit.....I saw little reaction from the Chinese people around them.....except one older couple kept looking at them with a unimpressed look.......then again thats not proof of anything they could be just old and crusty
 WonkaBar

Joined: 2/3/2006
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Posted: 7/10/2008 10:07:49 AM

This is a bare faced lie, I have posted about a NUMBER of topics including:


I'm not going to get into a fight with you (again), but anyone who clicks on the History link under your name can see your posting history. I clicked five posts at random just to see if I was wrong, and every single one of them was about either how everyone ignores black women or something else about race, usually blasting non-white men for hypocritical preferences. If it's not the only topic you post on, it's certainly one of your favorites - which I honestly don't understand because you've said in the past you have no problems getting dates so it begs the question of why you care so much about other people's shortcomings. I knew you'd be in this thread the moment I read the OP, and exactly what you'd say.

Again - an observation. Nothing more. I'm not the first guy in this thread to notice. You may want to ask yourself why that is.


Wonkabar you have an axe to grind take it elsewhere and leave me out of it.


I guess you skipped the rest of my post where I went on to agree with a lot of the points you made. It was horrible of me to do that and I apologize for it.

Okay, back on topic.


I have to agree with your post about pang when I was at 3-5% body fat I dated more China men now it is more White and Black. Why was it that White and Black guys did not ask me out when I was thin? I'm sure it is the same reason that China men do not now.


Well... stereotypically, black men (and a lot of white men) say they like a girl with 'meat'. How much meat is too much is a relative thing I suppose, but given the propensity of Westerners towards obesity these days it doesn't surprise me if perceptions are shifting more towards 'bigger is beautifuler'.
 VVendy

Joined: 6/7/2008
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Posted: 7/11/2008 4:16:08 AM
I'm happier as is. As a thin girl a lot of people were not 1/2 as nice to me as they are now. I do not feel like a object. I do not have to be perfect Everything is so much more relaxed. I miss them but I did not wantto commit to any of them so I think that it is for the best they are not in my life.
 Friendlione

Joined: 6/23/2006
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Posted: 7/11/2008 7:30:22 AM
I read a paper published in 2003 that spoke about this very phenomenon. I shall list the main points to save space. According to the sociological study which sampled Black, White, and Asian men and women:

1. In America, Black men are perceived to be slightly MORE masculine than White and Asian men.
2. Black women are perceived to be slightly LESS feminine than White females and especially Asian females.
3. Black and Asian cultures are less like each other than either one of them are like White cultures.

W=White, B=Black, A=Asian, M=male, F=female

People do not consciously acknowledge these points, but they have been socialized to believe them here in America. Point number 3 explains why you see fewer B/A couples compared to B/W or W/A couples. Point 2 explains why there are higher numbers of WM/AF couples than WM/BF couples. Point 1 explains why there are more BM/AF couples than AM/BF couples (highly masculine man tend to couple with highly feminine women even if these traits are only perceived).

What is a statistic? A statistic is a characteric of a sample that is used to infer information about the larger population that the sample is supposed to represent. You could never possibly interview 100% of all W, B, and A's within the nation so this is how social research is conducted: using statistics from samples. It is not an absolute rule. I feel I have to say this because ever time I post, there's always one person saying "Well, people are individuals too. I know this one Asian woman that does this or that and blah blah blah." Yes, there are always exceptions. Black republicans for example lol.
 nicktomlinrhys

Joined: 5/15/2006
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Posted: 7/14/2008 7:40:06 AM

1. In America, Black men are perceived to be slightly MORE masculine than White and Asian men.
2. Black women are perceived to be slightly LESS feminine than White females and especially Asian females.
3. Black and Asian cultures are less like each other than either one of them are like White cultures.


Yes..statistics tell a story but sometimes false perceptions are reinforced by PC even without statistics to back it up and thats the case on point 1 .

The mating stats can be arrived at AFTER media perceptions have been generated and reinforced over a period of time . The same dating stats were not applicable 50 years ago even in America .The media is the instrument for promoting the positive image for a black man .It is alway a black person if a mixed race couple is shown on TV and usually its a black male and other female.That has a culimative affect on society .

I assume that the black male is considered more masculine on the grounds of what.............? Sports.....singing ? Music didn't grind to a halt before or after.Its a case of media promotion .Sports of a certain type are dominated by black athletes but other sports are dominated by other races............yet the media doesn't feel the need to promote them to the same degree despite the fact that the black male is unsuccessful , statistically in the areas of education , family life and big business to name 3 .

So how come success in big business,education and family life which other races excel at is not considered masculine ? Thats where media promotes a PC at total odds with reality.

I worked in the UK statistical dept upto 18 months ago and altho we never deduced for or against anybody in terms of masculine etc........on seeing the stats in home ownership,employment, family,education and business to name a few again....................the stats do NOT back up -POINT 1 - .If anything................the stats point the opposite way hence proving that media PC is manipulating public perceptions .

-POINT 3- is a totally correct perception.Polar opposites cultures .
I won't comment on POINT 2 !
 almondcookie

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Posted: 7/14/2008 10:46:56 AM
By the way re: msg 105 , the supposed research study is by Steve Sailor ...junk science. He eventually had to admit that he lied and made up the data in his supposed studies and articles. Unfortunately, his misinformation made it to many websites and into many articles before he admitted it. A lot of people still quote Sailor without realizing that he eventually admitted his lies. It will be easy to verify this if you do a web search.
 Obsidian71

Joined: 6/9/2008
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Posted: 7/14/2008 5:58:01 PM

I assume that the black male is considered more masculine on the grounds of what.............? Sports.....singing ? Music didn't grind to a halt before or after.Its a case of media promotion .Sports of a certain type are dominated by black athletes but other sports are dominated by other races............yet the media doesn't feel the need to promote them to the same degree despite the fact that the black male is unsuccessful , statistically in the areas of education , family life and big business to name 3 .


It's precisely the areas of Education, Family Life and Big Business that reward button up men with relatively no charisma. So in essence you are right. The black male's plight here is due to more desire to be counter-culture and have "swagger" so I would agree that at least from ethos black males will typically come off with a bit more machismo than the typical white male. Depending on the context this can be either good bad or indifferent.

On point 2- Well when you have "some" radio hosts calling female basketball teams "nappy headed hos" I guess you could say there is
some credence to the statement that black women are perceived to have less femininity.

Culturally Asians and Blacks are a bit of an odd pairing. If we go by stereotypes blacks are boisterous where Asians are quiet, blacks are athletic while Asians are not, blacks don't focus on education while Asians do. It would seem that Black/Asian couples would be coming from opposite ends of the spectrum. Who knows.

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 Friendlione

Joined: 6/23/2006
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Posted: 7/14/2008 7:52:19 PM

On point 2- Well when you have "some" radio hosts calling female basketball teams "nappy headed hos" I guess you could say there is
some credence to the statement that black women are perceived to have less femininity.


That's just the tip of the iceberg. Just think about the past roles that Black women have played on TV. Black females on TV are often portrayed as being very loud, ostentatious, and recalcitrant. Just look at almost any movie with Queen Latifa, Monique, Vivian Fox, or even Jada Smith. Sure things are changing slowly, but this trend is still present. Most importantly, even when a Black woman is the object to be desired in a movie, an Asian man almost never desires her. I can name a few films involving BF/WM love but I can’t think of a single one involving AM/BF love or even lust for that matter.

I agree with NickTom: TV, film, and the media really socialize us to believe these perceptions whether they are accurate or not. Those three points that I listed may in fact have been published based on poor methodology. However, I believe those perceptions to be accurate nonetheless, especially point number 3.

P.S. I do not believe that Imus's words were appropriate, but those girls weren't exactly lookers. Sorry, but they were pretty rough looking. I think you're point though was that if they had been White or Asian, he might not have said what he did.
 sportiie

Joined: 10/19/2006
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Posted: 7/14/2008 10:00:21 PM
Your statistics say that black women are not feminine! I don't know who you are comparing black "LADIES" with but maybe regection was something you coulden't accept, but this is no reason to get upset. Queen Latifa and revlon seem to see a different view than you. You should get out more and travel the world. stop listening to others/Media.
 Friendlione

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Posted: 7/15/2008 2:39:33 AM
Your statistics say that black women are not feminine! I don't know who you are comparing black "LADIES" with but maybe regection was something you coulden't accept, but this is no reason to get upset. Queen Latifa and revlon seem to see a different view than you. You should get out more and travel the world. stop listening to others/Media.


lol there's always at least one person that misinterprets.

First of all, I've probably traveled to more countries within the last 5 years of my life than you will travel in the entirty of yours, friend.

Also, I didn't say that Black women were not feminine. I was REPEATING the results of sociological study that asserts that Black women are PERCEIVED to be LESS feminine in mainstream America. Whether or not this perception is accurate is open to debate, but please do not shoot the messenger. I've dated plenty of Black females (Asian females as well). Many of them are feminine. Attack the authenticity of the study if you want, but don't attack me for reporting it.
 nicktomlinrhys

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Posted: 7/15/2008 3:13:26 AM


It's precisely the areas of Education, Family Life and Big Business that reward button up men with relatively no charisma.


lol.....you know I am right and you know too that it takes constant work of a masculine nature if you are a man to achieve those results .It take charisma to achieve --not false "swagger".Swagger is not masculine and its not charisma . Its only "masculine" because the media in its PC wisdom deems it so to promote .

So that perception is based not on truth or statistics........it based on a PC which is cornered by the black man.

Whats masculine about this stat ?


Teenagers: there has been a rise in the number of children living in single-parent families Almost half the black children in Britain are being raised by single parents, new Government figures reveal.

A quarter of all youngsters live in one-parent families – treble the proportion in 1972, according to the Office for National Statistics.

The biggest percentage of lone-parent households is among black ethnic groups. Forty-eight per cent of black Caribbean families have one parent, as do 36 per cent of black African households.


Single-parent families are less common among Indians (ten per cent), Bangladeshis (12 per cent), Pakistanis (13 per cent), Chinese (15 per cent) and whites (22 per cent).

Nine out of ten single-parent families are headed by mothers.

Children who grow up without their biological father are more likely to be unemployed, commit crime and leave education early, according to research by think tank Civitas.

They are also twice as likely to be homeless.

Lone-parent families are three times more likely to live in rented accommodation than couples with children and are also more likely to live in homes that fall below minimum standards.

Michael Scanlan, from the Family and Parenting Institute, said lone-parent families were 'disproportionately' likely to feel the effects of poverty compared with couples.


And I can quote you stats for every area of life and there is nothing masculine or charismatic about it.Its media hype and nothing else .
i don't know what kinda Asians you have there but there are many types of Asians .There big burlyIndo/Pakistanis working in my depts.The Arabs are big people too and they say that only those who can't make a living with their hands and brains need to go out and be physical. They can be physical but their first choice is education and business and they can do that against all the odds of language,culture and religion.

Another thing I don't understand this idea that the Asian man should pair off with the black woman ? If they don't want to......whats the problem ? Why doesn't the BM pair off with the BW ? Thats the most obvious question .
 almondcookie

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Posted: 7/15/2008 6:03:12 AM

Also, I didn't say that Black women were not feminine. I was REPEATING the results of sociological study that asserts that Black women are PERCEIVED to be LESS feminine in mainstream America. Whether or not this perception is accurate is open to debate, but please do not shoot the messenger. I've dated plenty of Black females (Asian females as well). Many of them are feminine. Attack the authenticity of the study if you want, but don't attack me for reporting it.


I already indicated that Stever Sailor's work was flawed and that he out and out lied and fabricated information and statistics. Why are we still discussing this? There are many websites that provide information about his lies. This is just one. You could have found this on your own. You can find the others easily.


Anyone who has done research on the internet on such topics as race, genetics, or interracial marriage may have directly or indirectly come across an infamous race researcher named Steve Sailer.


Who is Steve Sailer? He is one of a handful of extreme "scientific racists", affiliated with and often paid by extreme right-wing groups like VDare, American Renaissance, and others. He has written numerous pseudo-scientific articles on the internet that will fit his racist agenda that any race other than his own race, the White race, is inferior. He has a racist and condescending tone toward other races.

His falsified and racist writings have permeated the internet, creating many rumors and misunderstanding which have spread through many internet forums. Many unsuspecting people who have written articles on race or interracial marriages may have used Steve as a source while researching on the internet.



From 1994 to 1998, Steve wrote numerous inflammatory articles and excerpts on race and interracial marriages, primarily based on media stereotypes and his heinous group of extreme right-wing scientific racists (e.g. Phillipe Rushton, Sam Francis, the Pioneer Fund, Social Darwinists, etc...).


Once of his most (in)famous works for the National Review which boosted his publicity was the 1997 article on interracial marriages, "Is Love Colorblind". In the article, he believes Asian males and Black females are so inherently inferior and unattractive by birthright, they will be at a significant disadvantage in finding relationships and will be breeded out of society. This overexaggerated article was known to create gender divides among the races. Knowing the stir initially created by this article, he wrote another article in 2003 where he flat out lied about the 2000 Census stats on interracial marriages to repeat the havoc initially created so he can profit.


http://www.onepeoplesproject.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=131&Itemid=29

Now let's get back on topic and discuss facts not fiction.
 bie200000

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Posted: 7/15/2008 7:39:01 AM
Most Asian women who do date interacially, 99% of the time it's with white men. For a lot Asian women going for a white man would be bad enough but getting with a black man would be a crime worthy of death, that black man could be Barack Obama, it would not matter...no black man would be good enough.
 Friendlione

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Posted: 7/15/2008 9:40:25 AM
I visited Steve Sailor's website. This guy is NOT racist. He's simply explaining things as he sees it. No where on the site does he even claim that his work is based on scientific analysis. He might as well be posting on this site like the rest of us. He's not a sociologist or a statitician, but his observations do an EXCELLENT job of explaining the patterns that we observe. I admit, it doesn't mean that there are no alternative explanations, but the 3 points that I listed earlier are consistent with what we see.

I do believe that Black women are PERCEIVED (I cannot emphasize this word enough) to be less feminine than Asian women. NO, it doesn't mean that they really are LESS feminine. It means that I believe that the PERCEPTION exists however inaccurate that perception might be. It is this PERCEPTION, flawed or not, that explains the patterns that we see in Asian male/Black female dating in my opinion. We might not LIKE the way Black women are perceived, but our disdain for this perception is not going to change it, unfortunately.
 Friendlione

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Posted: 7/15/2008 10:32:41 AM

For a lot Asian women going for a white man would be bad enough but getting with a black man would be a crime worthy of death, that black man could be Barack Obama, it would not matter...no black man would be good enough.


Unfortunately there is a lot of truth to this statement as well. The first time I went out with an Asian woman, she was a few years older (I was 21), and actually asked ME out. I had little interest in her even though she was quite attractive. I just never thought she would've been interested in me. Turns out that she was a wonderful woman. I don't even recall her once bringing up my "race" as an issue. Because my first experience was so great, I thought that most Asian women would be open to dating me without prejudice...WRONG.
 canadian-boii

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Posted: 7/15/2008 2:41:21 PM
Hey dude your only 5'7" your not quite masculine yourself as viewing your profile. I have dated women taller than you who were very feminine and were real lookers. This a quote from canadian-boii statistics.
 bunni87

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Posted: 7/18/2008 5:44:13 PM
I didn't look at the other responses, but all I know is that it happens plenty. AF/BM, BF/AM alike. Just because one might not see it all the time personally does not mean that it's that rare.
 celts123

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Posted: 7/18/2008 5:55:57 PM

I know is that it happens plenty. AF/BM, BF/AM alike. Just because one might not see it all the time personally does not mean that it's that rare.


It might happen fairly often where you live. However that doesn't mean it is common in other places.
 bunni87

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Posted: 7/18/2008 6:02:08 PM
The word "common" was never used.

I'm only asserting that it's not something that is HEAVILY unusual, at least not as much as it might have used to be. People are not as limited as in the past. Aside from my own experiences, I've known quite a few Asian/black couples at random in different locations (mostly all in the US). It's not something that I can count on my fingers. Both male and female, I should add. I should also add that all were younger than 30, so it may be generational.
 AndreGrant

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Posted: 7/18/2008 6:08:26 PM
iv'e seen it alot....but, it really depends on what kind of a guy you are. Asians are really serious about culture and manners. (aside from those ones that think their gangster, which typically are the younger ones) but, if you carry yourself in a professional manner, and have a decent sense respect, then not only will asian women look past the stereotype, but other cultures as well.
 Tequila_Slim

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Posted: 7/18/2008 6:08:46 PM

I should also add that all were younger than 30, so it may be generational.


Yep, I think you're right it's generational. This afternoon, I'm sitting in my car outside the Chinese Take Out waiting for them to finish cooking my beef fried rice order and lo and behold I see not just one AM/BF couple - But two! Hallelujah! They look to be in their twenties....Funny thing though, the sistahs were bigger than the asian guys.
 xsploosh

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Posted: 7/18/2008 7:17:33 PM
Teguila Slim: The forum is about Asian/Black dating, The question has been answered yes it's out there. Why does size matter.
 -Careless

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Posted: 7/19/2008 1:46:22 AM
I dated two asian girls and I gotta Asian girls know how to treat men. They just make a guy feel special! Their Expensive though, at least in my experience.
 Tequila_Slim

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Posted: 7/19/2008 4:36:01 PM

Tequila Slim: The forum is about Asian/Black dating, The question has been answered yes it's out there. Why does size matter.


Yeah, I already know that....What's your point? Size is what it is, I'm just saying the asian guys were at least two inches shorter than the chicks they're dating - Just my observation.
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