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Posted: 8/11/2008 7:43:49 PM | | As far as the Native American Blood, it is a good thing there was some early intercession. Polarized Topics are not allowed on the Forums. 28 pages later is not the time to enforce such a rule, and the Moderators have been very gracious in allowing such a firm rule to be bent for the needs of this community. | |
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Posted: 8/11/2008 8:02:03 PM | WeAre1
I spoke to a good friend of mine who, around 35 years ago left his "toney, upperclass" New England town outside of Boston and tracked down the Hopi Rez and stayed for a while and was trained by a medicine man, about all the controversy that we have received on this thread. While he was out there two other Hopis tried to kill him. I guess his grandmother who was a Druid was looking after him.
I said, "I didn't know that all these people hate me who I do not know". He said, "yes, that's why I keep my mouth shut and don't make myself public". I said, "you know you could be making probably $2000 a weekend doing sweat lodges, etc." Being my carpenter he said, "well, I'm in the wrong business".
Over all these years we've seen a lot of fools come and go in the metaphysical realms.
Mark, a/k/a Swift Deer lives the wild man life in the woods with his wife and they are not not "straight shooter, corporate type" like me. Both of us agree the world would be more in balance if they embraced the practices and philosophies of the North American native experience.
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Posted: 8/11/2008 8:11:18 PM | All of us on this forum are warriors. Spiritual warriors. I know that on the path I walk, the Red Path, I am a warrior. But, though this may sound big and tough, it is really not about fighting, It is about serving. If I must fight, I will. I will not shy away. But, that is not what I am about. You have all seen me "lose it" and it was most embarrassing to me. Those actions are not worthy of a warrior. I know this., Yet, sometimes, I still act as a child. To walk with humility and with confidence is the way of the Warrior.
This thread has gotten a mite touchy, but I think we can all see our way past that. I, for one, must speak my truth.
I have been on a few Vision Quests and all of them have taught me something. In the Native American tradition, you go out into the woods or on a mountain, taking with you a blanket to sit upon, and you fast and do without water and food for 1 to 4 days. You sit, and you pray. You do a Vision Quest for yourself; to seek a Vision for yourself and your life. You Sundance for The People; to pray for The People and for the winged ones and those that swim and those with 4 legs. And for Mother Earth.
One year on Vision Quest I was surrounded by three coyotes and there came a horrible lightning and thunderstorm., I was soaked. And scared. The coyotes scared me badly. But, the next morning when they came to check on me, they could not find any footprints. I don't know if they washed away or they were never there and these were spirit coyotes. That was a very special Vision Quest. I was afraid I was going to come out walking backward and being heyoka. LOL
Thank you all for sharing your quests. I find them very interesting and special.
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Posted: 8/11/2008 10:39:18 PM | Miss quote's If a person has formed a thought and has remembered it from somewhere and it has gone from Head>heart >to Hand by then whomever first said it has been miss quoted a million times.
So its easier to let it be. I'd spotted so many in the universal truth phase of this forum when multiple quotes were placed on the page claiming this person or that had originated it.
kind of like Was the person who quoted the saying even ever In the USA or ever spoken in Our form of English Language we use here .
I remember a young forum budding from discussing "Payment" for services rendered, in Healing and council from a native american
Young in that it had made a few pages of reply ,and situations we exemplified .
such as is Payment an insult to a Shaman. I never knew it was Payment and Shaman that were Native to our soil. Wam Pum Ha Ha.
I direct quoted" Little Crow" who came from the Lakotas. he said if you wish to donate to the indian send Blankets there will never be enough. and send food ,canned food is best. I was able to steer the posters to action and they came up with actual web sites and address to do that.
lets go there again lets be a prayer force, and a food collection distribution forum, with a spiritual basis it is posted in the catagory that we are on a Religous Topic
let that be the "Only Free Standing Native American church" who re_kindled in 2008 under the basic teacher "Little Crow" who came from AA and made it back home when he was done working here .
If little crow is alive he will come to share with us ,look for Little crows" little red book" I have one, I am going to look for too. and some blankets that need an address OK 1996
National American Indian Heritage Month - President Clinton declared November of each year to be National American Indian Heritage Month.
Executive Order, October 21 on Tribal Colleges and Universities - President Clinton authorized a White House Initiative on Tribal Colleges and Universities within the U.S. Department of Education to continue the support and development of tribal colleges into the 21st Century.
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Shannon County, South Dakota, home of the Oglala Lakota on Pine Ridge Reservation is identified as the poorest place in the country. | |
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Posted: 8/11/2008 11:41:20 PM | In our culture "Enough is Plenty"
There are reasons for that and some wisdom behind it that took me a long time to see.
Its not a religious vow of poverty. But simply 'enough is plenty'.
Does anyone here have any thoughts on it?
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Posted: 8/12/2008 1:48:31 AM | I have thoughts on a variety of things I've read and where to begin? Ticky Tacky little boxes? Boxes within boxes? Judging the judges? Scolding the ones in front of the ones too fearful to come out for fear of criticism? But alas, we all are human and we all are warriors if pushed to be so. And we all are peaceful if love is allowed to flourish. Who is above reproach? None of us and we all have had our share of criticism so I am just happy to see that we can grow as a community and fight honorably like true siblings and then make nice....... Here's what stuck out that I would like to share. Nature shared something with me today. A typical South Florida thunderstorm........ But as I watched the clouds commune with the Earth through these energized bolts of lightning I saw Mother Earth when she was evolving.... In my vision, it was this electricity that gave rise to the transformation of inanimate matter to conscious beings. The Salt water, the electricity, the minerals all danced and life was born. Then I saw the human brain and it's synapses. Clouds, lightning and matter interacting to form thoughts and I realized that this storm (as with every other) was Mother Earth thinking.... It was a beautiful experience she and I shared.......... Then as for poetry.... I had published one this year on-line with poetry.com and it went like this.
The Gods Of War
I awoke this morning before the dawn, a vision told me that something was wrong.
I found unrest within my soul, where passions brew and take their toll.
I turned the pages of the daily news, and patterns appeared like finding clues.
Countries colliding because of "faith", politicians sending souls into hells front gate.
Blind faith led by lords of lands, scriptural words their sword in hand.
Does no one see the lessons here? The truth behind the words they smear?
Holy books contain tremendous wisdom inside but predjudice triumphs due to greed and pride. Pawns our sons and daugters become, because my god is better than your bogus one. The greatest of mysteries that leaves us in awe is reflected in a child and their love for us all. Perhaps a baby would be a better place to look, if you want to find God in a perfect book.
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Several other things I wanted to comment on but this is already getting lengthy so I'll just say that I think "enough is plenty" is a wise statement. Everyone can have enough if the powers that be weren't obsessed with excesses. And most (not all) of the richest people I know are the least happy and at peace. They smile and show off their jewels and fancy cars but they are only wearing masks to cover their own inner emptiness in my opinion. The poorest seem to more often see the simple beauty in things unless drug addiction is the source or consequence of their poverty. They have less to lose and take nothing for granted. Less developed egos? More open to awareness? Oh, and as for the "we are one" thingy... I keep it in perspective with this analogy. We as humans live in the world of form. In form we appear different but in our invisible essence we are the same. Much like the sun is form, but the light it radiates is the shared essence or Great Spirit within us all. We really differ only in how much of that light we can assimilate into our waking lives. | |
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Posted: 8/12/2008 4:49:32 AM |
Shannon County, South Dakota, home of the Oglala Lakota on Pine Ridge Reservation is identified as the poorest place in the country.
Something that really bugs me is why aren't the wealthy Indian nations--around her there are two, Fox Woods & Moeghan Sun with the casinos--contributing to their distant relatives? I wish someone would do a news report about this.
Preservation of the cultures, languages, etc. to me is of utmost importance. As we know, many are extinct. | |
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Posted: 8/12/2008 5:16:00 AM | ^^I was speaking with my parents about this thread during the nine hour drive this past weekend (traffic added considerably to the journey) and their instant thought was similar to yours, enigma - are the casinos being discussed here in terms of how far removed from the spirituality some native americans seem to have gone? They also shared with me a few years ago they made a point while travelling cross country of visiting a reservation and were shown many of the customary dances, customs, people...where they got the Native American Commandments I posted here many moons ago now. They expressed they know one woman very active in their religion here has been actively helping by providing material things and spending time for many years on a reservation, for she also feels an affinity with Native American Spirituality and Native Americans.
Why aren't those native americans who are rich helping the poor? I imagine they might think as so many white rich do towards the white poor...why should they? But I sort of hope it might be different.
I have gotten back from work now and requested the questionable post I quoted exactly from yesterday be deleted. It is just a matter of time before it will be sent into the pof post abyss. I am grateful I was told the truth...one group's truth, for after all we have discussed here, that is a prime issue I have woken up to.....being more sensitive to the sacredness....for all.
I realize there is sadness in me this morning. Yes, we are all learning, but I am a bit heartbroken for it feels to me like the thread has lost its heart now and is mostly coming from mind.
Edit: to whitefether's question below of what does the government fear of the red man? I imagine it is the same fear as all those with spiritual truth have always attracted.....persecution based on the fear that they have power that is greater than those 'who are in power'. It is nothing new that those with spiritual awareness are hidden, driven from their places of power, and either murdered or treated in the worse way.....this I believe really is the essence and the real heart of the problem....we have spiritual desecration...and then we have human rights desecration going on. And I guess for me, it is time I asked for me, how can I help? How can I help more? | |
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Posted: 8/12/2008 5:17:10 AM | I don't think we know that the casinos do"not" send money to the rez. But, the problem is greater than a few casinos can fix. What is the saying? Give a man a fish and he will eat dinner; teach a man to fish and he will eat forever. I think the poverty and despair are incredible on some of the reservations. They have lost hope. Let them mine their minerals. Give them a chance to rise above their surroundings. Still, we hold the Redman down. The government does. What is it they fear?
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Posted: 8/12/2008 6:33:06 AM | A note about the Suspected and Known Frauds bulletins. Be sure that you understand "why" these people are on this list. And, also, be sure to note the word "Suspected" versus "known".
Many of the people listed on that bulletins are listed because they accept money for speaking engagements, writing books, etc. This, just to me, does not constitute a fraud. It is someone who must make some money to live and to continue teaching, That is my opinion,. Then there are the plastic shamans and frauds who are really just out to make a buck by selling the Native American culture down the drain. I don't know that I think these people's intention are bad. Surely some, but I doubt that all come with bad intentions. But, extreme poverty has a way of finding a way out of starvation. And the teacher will Find a way to teach.
A magical Fool's Crow story that I know to be true. I have told it before, but wish to share it again, as it shows this man's great power. There was a gathering and, of a sudden, they decided they wanted a sweat lodge. There was no fire going and no stones being heated. Fool's Crow said not to worry. When all arrived at the lodge and were seated, Fools Crow asked that the stone carrier bring him one cold stone. He sat this stone down in front of him and blew on it. The stone glowed red hot. They were able to have a four door Hot lodge with this one stone that did not cool down when the water was poured on it. A miracle of a kind. He was a great Medicine Man and performed much magic. An elder who was present at that lodge told me this story. I could feel the truth of it.
So, please be careful who you discount because a certain base has a bone to pick with someone, Some are frauds, but some are not!
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Posted: 8/12/2008 6:52:43 AM | Well i know Casinos send money to all ppl from the tribe. They are sent around 4000 - 5000 a month depending which Casino. now not only that but you get for the childern you have as well. SO more you have the more money you get. As well as money you get during Xmas. Not only money do the natives get but they also get housing. So if you are part of a rez that has a Casino on it then you should already know this.
Not only Casinos if you are on a rez where Oil is being drilled or whatever then you get around 150,000 when you turn 18 or 19.
Not sure how this effects the ppl but i do know alot of my friends who get this money dont have to work anymore. | |
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Posted: 8/12/2008 6:57:32 AM | ^^Ahh, thank you so much for clarifying that for us...and adding much more info too. And welcome!
And thank you , sherry, for the reminders of what constitutes fraud.....and I do agree, it does not sound like nearly as much help as what is really needed for the tribes to make a real difference for the older, or elders who have lived with the poverty for so long.
On another note, perhaps dated now, but still a valid reminder, I hope - I wrote something yesterday I never posted, maybe because there was so much I felt had been criticised here by the one who came with strong voice and spirit... but there also seems to be have been a few misconceptions thrown in also - one was this reference to this belief that was written that does not match what I was aware has happened here. The line I am referring to is,"I believe the moderators already had to come in and clean up a mess once because of it." This is technically not true. The four times moderators have stepped in here were only when three of the posters (myself included as one of them) requested they step in and help keep the thread alive. So this also, for me, sort of makes this thread unique - where else has anyone purposefully requested moderators moderate? And so, somehow it feels like a blanket of protection has been put here that might be wearing thin now, but it is not because we have created a mess here at all. Twice was to point out one who was breaking several forum rules was flaming the thread in the early days, once was to request by the poster themselves to remove two posts, and the last was again a request by the poster themselves to remove the posts that unkowningly at the time they were posted, disrespected the sanctity and sacredness of Native American Spirituality....so totally on topic posts, but just with more awareness, realization came they might have seemed disrespectful to the Native Americans themselves.
Yes, we have been honest with each other here as much as possible, but also been very careful to be as respectful as possible too....and to take responsibility when we have not been.....or so I believe.
To now feel nearly 30 pages later that we have to be so careful that something we say might get a beating (verbal) seems to sort of backtrack and not be in the light of trust that was being achieved here that all have freedom to express their thoughts, feelings, opinions....as long as it is done respectfully.....I think that has been a prime lesson here and I have been very grateful to be part of the path this thread has taken...even the stuff that felt uncomfortable.
I ask that we all try again and honor each other's beliefs, views, ideas, and keep our hearts and minds open so all feel welcome here. (T'ai Chi taught me 'strength through softness...it is a good lesson sometimes. And sometimes swords are drawn too - but with honor and respect...not to behead anyone these days....we have evolved since then.....imo.)
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Posted: 8/12/2008 7:08:11 AM | Whatever they are giving, it will not be enough to pull these people from bone-crushing poverty. We need to give them the tools to be self=supporting. And giving the young ones a pittance of what the oil is worth is not fair. This is Their Oil, Their Land, and Their Minerals.
I am not disputing you in any way. Just that, it will take an all over recognition of the prejudice that has occurred to have caused this poverty, to be able to start to relieve it. IMO
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Posted: 8/12/2008 8:54:21 AM | In my experience, I have come across two "opposing" traditional pathways. I cannot in one posting, clearly define their detailed philosophies, but I will "attempt" to give a synopsis of them, as I see from my own eyes: one side, wishes to return to the past; take back the land that was "truly swindled" from them; want no direction from passive Elders; want little interaction and/or involvement (in their own dealings) from those who are non-bloods; and believe that any teaching/sharing of the Sacred teachings, spiritual ceremonies, customs, traditions, etc.... are all wrong & goes against their own agenda. This side I would term, the more violent side, as I personally know of some acts of aggression. The other "traditional side" want: also wishes to return to past beliefs, customs and values, but without any violence; also wishes past treaties to be honored, but through peaceful negotiations and unarmed resistance; will share certain aspects of their spiritual side with those of "true heart & intention"; and usually live a much more humble lifestyle.
Now...., is this all there is to understanding traditional people? Of course not. That would be like saying that there are only two sides of perspective to this forum.... and we "know" that is definitely not the case... Indigenous Peoples are just that: people. People with minds, hearts, spirits; wants, desires; ethics; morals, etc, that every other human being has. I'm sure there are many branches of the two "sides" I have just described, that have elements of one, both, or even other idealogy. I was just using the two sides example, as a means to try to give you a window into why some traditionalists can appear to completely disagree with one another. I can no better give you a detailed breakdown of "who is who", than I can in telling you "who is who" in this forum, as we all have mixed agreements & disagreements.
I will point out one thing, Weare1 & Enigma.... Thomas Mails is a white, Lutheran minister, who was greeted with open arms & respect, by the Great Grandfather Fools Crow, to share and to write down his "own words". Some traditional people think this was truly a great thing, while others violently oppose the whole concept. I think if you put two & two together, you will figure out "who is who". Now...., the passage that you shared here Weare1, was probably done with good intention, but to "just" share that passage without the context of how it is to be interpreted, may give "some" readers a misconception. I think a small reference with a link and/or details to the book itself, might have a better result. But...., it is always your own choice to do as you see fit; as the Spirit moves you. To make a stand of "For" , and then to completely delete the passage and take the stand "Against" ALL Thomas Mails writings though, would be disregarding any respect for Fools Crow's wishes, in my own opinion. He just was never a man to "boast" about his accomplishments, as far as I know. He would rather see others embrace his philosophy & spiritual beliefs, than to stand in awe of his own practices... That is how I feel, anyway....
Casinos..... A touchy subject, for me... Phoebus2k9 ---- Ahnee! Welcome to the forum! Your input is also welcome. I have seen some of what you describe here, myself.... and this is a good thing, in my eyes & heart. But, also, I have seen the division I have described in my first paragraph, with "some" Casinos being run by others, who spend, invest, abuse & corrupt these funds for their own agendas. We have got to understand here, people... That there is NO ONE SECT OF PEOPLE on this whole planet, who are ALL 100% GOOD. As many have previously acknowledged in this forum, there is good and bad in each of us, and the choice is an individual one, what side you are going to let rule you. Are you going to throw a rock at those you disagree with, or are you going to sit down with some great, fresh fish, bannack and some Sacred tobacco.... and try and have a peaceful discussion, to iron out your differences? The choice is always yours.... It has always been everyone's own choice, how they will respond to opposition.
I'll just let you know. I have put out phone calls and emails in the last two weeks, to many people across Canada, and also some in the United States. People from all different areas of Indigenous communities & position. I have invited them all to view this thread, and to "honestly" give me their opinion about it. (I have already shared a few feedbacks with certain people here, through private messages.) Some will have opposition I am sure, and others will openly embrace the concept of sharing peacefully, through written words here. Some of these people I know well, others I know only in passing, and yet others I do not know at all. Some are Chiefs & elected officials, some are holy/medicine people, and others are just everyday people. Some are full-bloods, others are part-bloods. Some are in Indigenous government, some are Indigenous broadcasting (Radio & TV) others are everyday workers. I have asked them to come here, and if they feel so, to post their own, true opinions for all to read. Some have chosen not to, and others will probably do this. Some may have already posted here? But..., I have got feedback/replies back from ten different people now (who do not want to post publicly), but have asked me to share: that they see no problem and/or disrespect in most of what has been posted; they applaud those who walk with "true intention & heart"; most do not understand why a forum with this title has so often gone into other avenues of spirituality & religion, though; and all have asked us to just remember that this is a very controversial sibject, and that there will always be others who oppose it being shared on a public forum. NO ONE... has told me they felt threatened and/or disrespected... yet, anyway.... I'm sure some will, just as I am sure some friends and aquaintances of mine who are deeply embedded in Christianity, will find opposition to some of the opinions here. You will never please everyone, at the same time. ...And I for one here, have stopped trying to.... I thank those who share openly & honestly, even if I don't agree with you all the time. But..., I don't think anyone here is omniscient, omnipotent and/or (definitely) omnibenevolent, so please don't be judge, jury & hang-man, for the rest of us.... GOOD DREAMS!!  | |
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Posted: 8/12/2008 8:55:53 AM | | I know that when I was in Arizona, the reservations that I passed made Harlem look like Beverly Hills and there was a casino two exits away. If the numbers are true 4-5,000 a month plus more for each kid and 150,000 at 18? Perhaps that reflects just the really successful casino tribes? Seminole$ and Mikasukee$ have it going on down here. My question is, money alone may only further distance these people from their ancient spititual wisdom, no? It's a sure fire way to pay back restitution but it seems another potential poison from the white man, disguised as medicine imo. Don't take this the wrong way, it's way better than nothing and I make a damn good living from it. But 18, gets 100,000 or $150,000.00 and "doesn't have to work" sounds like disaster waiting to happen. Is there a leadership council that teaches these young men and women how to be responsible with this windfall before setting them out with this cash flow? Does my concern make sense or sound combative? When I was 18, had someone handed me $150,000.00 I might be dead right now.... Those were some wild days, tempered only by my financial limts.... | |
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Posted: 8/12/2008 9:16:26 AM | pain-klr: I really appreciated what you had to say, and what you shared with us. And how you said it also.
phoebus2k9: I knew at least some of the casinos donated money to local town as well (not just to NA's) and tried to use their wealth to help where it was needed, regardless of any race, color or creed. Which I see as an amazing example to all of us, and I know it certainly was to me. But I didnt know about what you explained here.
Whitefether: I am enjoying reading your posts. Very much.
EDIT: pain-klr, its a very common thing here too. Having not been used to having money, they actually dont see that the money in itself is not the answer. Many just think they are set up for life....and it doesnt last long. Then its back to poverty.
People, if they dont step out of their own situations and for the their own reasons, will use the same constructed behavior that kept them there in the first place.
Whats the answer? I dont know. I just see it happening.
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Posted: 8/12/2008 9:25:31 AM | This is why I love the sentence...
Enough is plenty
Whitefeather... Thank you about talking of vision quest... I had no idea what that meant...
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Posted: 8/12/2008 9:31:53 AM | Thank you, Champrins!
Again, just for a moment, I would like to mention Vision Quests and Sweat Lodges. I speak of them because they are so wonderful, and I would wish that all of you could enjoy and benefit from them. BUT, if someone is wanting to charge you $500 or $2000 or whatever to watch over you during your Quest, they are taking you to the bank and NOT a traditional Elder. An Elder may hope that you make a small, and I repeat Small, donation to cover costs of feeding Supporters, wood, etc., but it will be a nominal amount and will not be a requirement. If you have nothing and sincerely want to quest, they will not turn you away. Now Sweat Lodges. Same thing. Some make their donation by bringing food for the potluck dinner. Others may donate a dollar of $5 or even $10, if money is in surplus to them. But, there is no Charge for a Sweat Lodge. Do not be deceived Tobacco is always a good thing to donate.
Like I said, I keep bringing up these things, as I would like for you to go out and seek a traditional Elder to help you to learn these things. They are wonderful for the Spirit and I wish I could share them with all of you.
Aho
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Posted: 8/12/2008 9:43:40 AM | annasthasia: I cant claim credit for it. Its just part of who we are and our culture. But glad if you could take something from it too.
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Posted: 8/12/2008 9:58:07 AM |
Now...., the passage that you shared here Weare1, was probably done with good intention, but to "just" share that passage without the context of how it is to be interpreted, may give "some" readers a misconception. I think a small reference with a link and/or details to the book itself, might have a better result. But...., it is always your own choice to do as you see fit; as the Spirit moves you. To make a stand of "For" , and then to completely delete the passage and take the stand "Against" ALL *******writings though, would be disregarding any respect for Fools Crow's wishes, in my own opinion.
I did write exactly what book it came from, the date it was published and also the exact place to find it - the first two pages of the book and I will also tell you there was no passage on how it is to be interpreted or I would have included it. Also, unlike what you think, I have really tried not to 'take stands' for or against anything except asking for respect and my trying to respect all that is said here. I can see for me and ask of others, taking the time to maybe read the posts more slowly is one way of respecting others. I do not mean any disrespect either by my words, I am simply stating where I am coming from and was coming from, since it is a bit different than your projections.
I have been in a real state of not knowing what to do about that post this morning, for, no matter what I do, it seems someone is going to find conflict with it. I posted it because I was trying to adhere to champrins wishes and the forum rules and stay on topic...so I thought, ok, let's find something that no one can dispute and I found myself reading that book, feeling I know it is about native american spirituality and thinking Fool's Crow was honored and respected by all.....only to find for the first time all this thread after many references you and I have both made to that author, now I find he is on the hit list and it really upset me that what I was trying to do, in fact, could upset a great many people after all, especially now that I am reminded you have invited so many potential 'officialdom' from all over to 'review' this thread.
My personal views are very hard to define here, as one urged me to do, so I could decide for myself what to do about this, and it's such a hard decision....for I can see both 'sides'....I will honor my heart now then, and hope for myself I will make the right decision. It felt most important, basically, that I try and honor the need for peace if possible in the community. But the community - the larger community I am talking about now - is divided and we seem to be in unity here, but that is only because the ones representing the other part are not voicing here right now.
I am torn, basically. It is not possible for me to find balance with this and it saddens me deeply. The conflict runs so deep I do not know how to resolve it in myself internally, now that I am much more aware, or not asleep, to the troubles.....I will go do what I need to rebalance again. It seems, our, or my safety net here seems to have been taken away....in some ways. I hope that is just my illusion. I have a feeling I am just feeling a tiny bit of the iceburg millions are suffering from ....that their safety net is gone and has been for a very long time, if they ever had one. | |
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Posted: 8/12/2008 10:07:22 AM |
Again, it seems, our, or my safety net here seems to have been taken away....in some ways. I hope that is just my illusion.
Weare1... I had to smile... This is my own sense of ha ha here...
My immediate thought was...
"Oh my, it never occured to me that some people would go so far out of their way to find some of us and intentionaly hurt us... Isn't the cruisades over?"
Then, my second thought... (Hope you guys have a sense of humour...)
Talking to self here...
"Hell if someone wants to come and find me... They deserve to do whatever they want to do... I live in the middle of nowhere in swamp country and I just hope they do me before I "cross over" because at least I can go out with a big O... !!!
Third thought... "Hope he can last a long time..."
As Mae West once said... "Honey it's not the men in your life that counts its the life in your men!!!"
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Posted: 8/12/2008 10:10:09 AM |
now that I am reminded you have invited so many potential 'officialdom' from all over to 'review' this thread.
I love it, WeAre1! Officialdom! I have already realized I might AIM in my front yard with a drum at any time. At least we have not said anything with Bad Intent, and I think that would be obvious to anyone that wants to read our thread.
Sherry | |
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| Native American Spirituality
Posted: 8/12/2008 10:18:18 AM | OK. Let me try and explain where I was coming from a little better.
WeAre1: You have been targeting me (thats ok because I can take it) and you are continually making reference to my name and bringing something negative into it, but when you want to allude to something good you are doing it was 'someone said' not my name.
Can you see the imbalance in that? Much the same way the other imbalance of your postings was pointed out. It kinda looks like 'agenda' to anyone but a blind horse.
And that doesnt reflect on me or anyone else..but on you. I'm not trying to mean, just trying to reflect something back here, so you can see it because you might not even know you are doing it.
Other times, you have gone out and tried to find texts from books that 'you think others will be happy to see' and coming from you, then give you the approval you are seeking.
But, I want to thank you for your last post, and sincerely, and from my heart. Because it was your heart speaking. One person, speaking 'how she feels'.
That sweetie IS your story
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