| Models in skin mags: what do you think of them?
Posted: 6/2/2008 10:33:30 AM | | Friend of mine dated Alyssa Chase. One of the coolest people to hang around I know. I didn't know who she was. I thought she was pretty attractive, but what struck me the most was how laid back and fun she was. She's probably not the norm though. | |
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| Models in skin mags: what do you think of them?
Posted: 6/2/2008 10:41:28 AM | They're people doing a job. That's about it really.
Would I date someone who's done that?
Yes, I have before, and I would have no problems doing so again.
Now, there is a condition however. Because, I'm only human after all. ;)
Basically, if they want to keep working in the industry, I can accept that, as long as all they're doing is posing.
I know it's "just a job"... but to me, making love to someone, is something sacred to a relationship. And while I don't care what they've done in the past... while they're with me, I wouldn't want them sleeping with anyone else. I know it wouldn't be anything serious to them, the men they might be with are just part of the job... but still... it's part of the ethics of the thing.
And the ladies who I've been invovled with from that industry respected that.
One only did modelling, and that wasn't a problem.
Another willing stopped doing sexual porn, and just did poses and spreads while we were together. Even though that was a huge paycut for her. But she respected me enough, and loved me enough to do so. And I loved her all the more for it.
Would I think such women are untrustworthy? Of course not.
Not unless they prove themselves to be so.
I know some men would object to their woman being in porn. They wouldn't be able to accept the idea of other men "enjoying" their woman in such a way.
But, as said, it's just a job. The woman looks stunning, has a great body... and is taking full advantage of that.
The job she does doesn't change who she is.
If she's faithful and respectful... then that's what matters to me.
In fact, I recently got the chance to meet a model who has been doing nudes for about 10 years. A wonderful Asian woman. And I've been "enjoying" her work for years myself... and now that I've gotten to know her personally... I'm all the more enraptured by her. Because she truly is a remarkable woman, inside and out. | |
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| Models in skin mags: what do you think of them?
Posted: 6/2/2008 10:42:43 AM | I try not to think about who the person is when I watch porn. If I do, then I start thinking about what kind of woman would you have to be to subject yourself to such abusive objectification. it's a generalization I know, but I can't help but feel a lot of those models have low-self esteem, or not all there and like to be used/manipulated.
Sometimes I follow that train of thought and it kills the mood completely for me. It's part of the reason why I stick to erotic short stories. I know, I'm a weirdo, but I actually like sexy stories than watching some bimbo with a trashy pelvic tattoo and a clitoral piercing getting pounded | |
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| Models in skin mags: what do you think of them?
Posted: 6/2/2008 10:53:40 AM | Adam Taylor mentioned ethics. Okay, let's go with that.
So let's say she won't stop stripping, or getting in on with strangers. It's her job to do that, and it would bother some guys a lot, right? Why? .. it's not wrong to watch, right?
Let's say 'Sheena Shalimar' does all those unethical things to make her money. She won't quit even though it bothers the guy who would like to be with her. So he decides it's not worth it, and says adios.
Now, let's cut to the scene of this same guy buying a skin mag, or renting an XXX vid, featuring the kind of stuff Sheena refuses to stop doing.
Does he enjoy seeing this stuff? Yet he didn't think it was 'right' for someone to do that, because it's unethical.
.. is it ethical of him to enjoy seeing it, if it's unethical of her to DO it?? | |
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| Models in skin mags: what do you think of them?
Posted: 6/2/2008 11:03:42 AM | If anyone starts talking Ethics, they better have their shit together!
They better have a pretty darn good knowledge of themselves and
see where such ideas and belief systems are REALLY coming from!
As far as the models. They're beautiful! Beauty is a very viable currency
in our society! Like it or not! | |
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| Models in skin mags: what do you think of them?
Posted: 6/2/2008 11:13:06 AM | Yes, the ethics of the situation can vary greatly depending on the viewpoint.
Watching is fine... because they're with someone else. I have no problems watching two people going at it. That's fine with me.
Because, in the end, it has little to do with me. It's my enjoying something sexual someone else is doing.
But I wouldn't want to see MY lady with another man. It just wouldn't be right to me. No more than I assume you would want to see your man with another woman.
And yes, as far as I'm concerned, it is about ethics.
If you're with someone, then you should be with them alone. Simple as that.
If I see porn of two people having sex... then that's just fine... I don't know anything about those involved, and really, I don't care to. As someone else said, I'm not going to sit there thinking about them, because, that's changing it from simple sexual arousal, to considerations of personality, feelings, etc... porn is detached and unemotional.
Or at least, it should be.
Now, if the people invovled had someone in their life, and they're still sleeping with other people... I might not approve... but that's not my problem. They can deal with their relationships however they choose.
For MY relationship though, I wouldn't be comfortable with such happening.
I wouldn't sleep around on my lady, and I expect the same respect. Simple as that.
Does he enjoy seeing this stuff? Yet he didn't think it was 'right' for someone to do that, because it's unethical.
As I said... it's not that I thought that such things were unenthical. Just that they weren't ethical to me as far as someone in relationship doing them.
If a woman won't give up having sex with others for money, then that's her choice. I will respect it, it simply means that there's no chance of a relationship there. | |
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| Models in skin mags: what do you think of them?
Posted: 6/2/2008 11:54:37 AM | To answer the OPs question, when I look at a photograph of ANY attractive female, be it nude or clothed, I simply think to myself: "Damn, that fine looking lady is really done up nice". I don't infer anything about her "morals" for posing nude, plenty of great female actresses have done so over the years, and the female form can be a beautiful thing. If a woman can get paid for it steadily, that's her prerogative in this free market economy. Were I ever lucky enough to meet one of these cover models, I would be elated, but treat them as normal pretty ladies that I'd try to pick up just as though I didn't know who they were (and it's not like I really know anything about them anyway even if I did recognize their face from a mag)... 
As for the secondary topic being discussed, i.e. the inevitable female rant against the shallow marketing industry:
I don't assume the woman looks like that in her day to day life, I know darn well there's a team of make-up artists, hairstylists and and lighting crew in place to catch her on film at her "best", and I sue the term loosely since what we see is an EXTRAPOLATION according to the artist's vision.
Only the Joe-average retard that is killing the North American gene pool would assume these woman look like that in normal life. 
MissBlueEyes griped:
My 2 cents from a female perspect (I just had to, lol)......they are not real women. They are surgically enhanced and altered, the pics are airbrushed and cause men to have unrealistic expectations of their wives and girlfriends.
(1) Not every model is surgically enhanced, though a startling number of American women have gotten boob jobs, which is just a shame in my opinion... 
(2) Not every picture is airbrushed, and even before airbrushing existed, there was always good old-fashioned cover-ups like FOUNDATION/CONCEALER for minor blemishes... How convenient of you to argue against one form of deception when the bulk of women use the latter tactic anyway...? 
(3) Then there are the air-brushing conspiracy-theorists for every photo/movie made. FYI, airbrushing a cover model to look thinner against a white backdrop and then transposing her onto a fake background is one thing, but that's a cheesy effect that can be easily spotted since her lighting/shadow will be incongruous with the rest of the shot.
Secondly I don't know what porn you check out, but their average budget for a production is like $10,000-$50,000 hence why they churn out so many God-awful movies... Do you really think they have the high-priced budget to airbrush / digitally-alter every frame of film in their videos? Give me a break... 
MissBlueEyes further griped:
[...]Men compare models in skin mags to their own wives and girfriends thus putting pressure on them to look like the skin mag bimbos. This chickie will always be herself. Period. I figure if a guy doesn't like it he needs to hit the road
Kudos to you for staying true to yourself  , I wish more ladies had your common sense. Any man that treats his lady like crap and doesn't look like Brad Pitt himself doesn't deserve the lady he's complaining about... 
Women are not objects, but some choose to willingly work in a profession where there body IS the marketed product. As such some objectification is inevitable from a BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE. If you are a model and suddenly gain 40lbs, then yes you will lose certain contracts, but if you are dynamic and well connected you can simply win others (plus-size modeling). Same thing goes for aging, you see plenty of famous actresses that go from modeling swim wear, to evening wear, to casual wear and make-up, etc. They can remain in the public eye, but just as their body evolves, so does their modeling career. That is the natural course of things, at least in my humble opinion...  | |
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| Models in skin mags: what do you think of them?
Posted: 6/2/2008 11:59:52 AM | Sorry I need to insert two quick grammatical corrections, but if I edit the post above, the quotation boxes will disappear (POF glitch).
I meant to say: "[...]to catch her on film at her "best", and I USE the term loosely[...]"
also: "Women are not objects, but some choose to willingly work in a profession where THEIR body IS the marketed product.[...]"
There, now my grammar OCD is satisfied...  Carry On! | |
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| Models in skin mags: what do you think of them?
Posted: 6/2/2008 12:20:44 PM |
Note: I'm not saying this to bash men, honest I'm not. I just don't get why guys will shell out money and think it's no big deal to support the careers of women for whom they have no moral regard ~ and, in fact, they would shun if they ever MET the models.
By the same token , a guy can look at pictures of Muscle cars, race cars etc...
It has no bearing on whether he ever wants to own or drive a car that's not his type...
We just look at the articles... | |
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| Models in skin mags: what do you think of them?
Posted: 6/2/2008 12:35:00 PM |
I came up with the question when I watched a show where a man actually met the woman he'd lusted for in his magazine. He did not want anything to do with her. Why? Did he think she was cheap and unworthy of his respect?
.. or was it that, since there she was in person, he was confronted by his own interest in the material where she posed, turning him on? She couldn't turn him on as an actual human being?
What kind of show was this? It sounds like some ridiculous, B-rate movie one finds on Lifetime: Television for Women. | |
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| Models in skin mags: what do you think of them?
Posted: 6/2/2008 1:39:53 PM | The short of it is that I wouldn't mind being friends with a woman who is in that line of work, but I would not want be interested in her sexually or otherwise.
One of my friends in the area is actually a stripper. I don't plan on ever going to her club as that would just be awkward. I also know her boyfriend, and I'm not really sure how he handles it. | |
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| Models in skin mags: what do you think of them?
Posted: 6/2/2008 1:50:09 PM | i'm sure we have all seen the show on E where six pasty silicone playboy centerfolds follow hugh hefner around like little lost puppy dogs (or maybe kitty cats -meeeeeeeeow) -i don't think there are very many guys who would turn down an invite to the hefner mansion for a pajama party. however when it's all said and done, i think the girl who really gets him is the girl next door type. -a grown version of the first one in a ponytail who threw rocks at him or stole a kiss when he wasn't lookin  | |
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| Models in skin mags: what do you think of them?
Posted: 6/2/2008 2:27:41 PM | I remember seeing Heff being interviewed some time ago,
maybe on Larry King. He was with three women, I believe.
It was the a most pathetic situation, if you ask me. He looked
like a living corpse, and the women kept looking to him for his
approval on what they were allowed to say! | |
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| Models in skin mags: what do you think of them?
Posted: 6/2/2008 4:15:12 PM | My guess is, most guys don't give a shit about the pornstar's favorite color or sign. It's just eye candy they fap too. I guess you could say, their opinion is often, "Damn she's hot". "Hmm, she's ok", or "Ew", then fastforward or turn page.
In short.. They're probably more focused on her hooters etc. than trying to tap in and ponder her soul. | |
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| Models in skin mags: what do you think of them?
Posted: 6/2/2008 5:07:44 PM | | "I'm not saying this to bash men " Oh yes you are. I for one am tired of angry women bashing men here. What you're asking is why would a man read a skin mag/Porn? Put on your thinking cap, look at the obvious and connect the dots and otherwise don't pose your male bashing questions in the form of rhetorical, albeit arguably legitimate questions | |
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| Models in skin mags: what do you think of them?
Posted: 6/2/2008 5:59:55 PM | Because if I met that girl I would know what she has done and not want to go that route. There are plenty of great girls out there (so I'm told anyway) so why even waste my time?
And I haev never shelled a dime on the stuff! :) | |
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| Models in skin mags: what do you think of them?
Posted: 6/3/2008 1:10:49 AM | some of us have a thing for hookers, strippers, and skin models as you called them, and date them. A kid I grew up with is married to an ex stripper now. Others would not be able to take them seriously, and the very conservative of us would want nothing to do with them.
The thing about doing this kind of work is that guys are going to have assumptions. I wouldn't know what to expect from a nude model, they're pretty low on the whore o meter, it's just a picture. Then stripper, then high priced hooker, then porn star, then street walker. At the very bottom of the totum pole are homeless crack addicts. I also tend to believe that most strippers are only different from hookers in that they negotiate much harder, and it's really a matter of price for a decent looking clean cut guy. You live in a house in college that rents strippers for occassions, attend a few bachelor parties with guys that like strippers, and that's pretty much what you'll witness. On one occassion the strippers got really crunked and went around the room grabbing everyone's unit and trying to sell "party favors." | |
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| Models in skin mags: what do you think of them?
Posted: 6/3/2008 2:37:49 AM |
My 2 cents from a female perspect (I just had to, lol)......they are not real women. They are surgically enhanced and altered, the pics are airbrushed and cause men to have unrealistic expectations of their wives and girlfriends. Men compare models in skin mags to their own wives and girfriends thus putting pressure on them to look like the skin mag bimbos. This chickie will always be herself. Period. I figure if a guy doesn't like it he needs to hit the road
I just had to respond to this before I finished reading the rest of the thread...
I don't know where you concocted this piece of nonsense, but if you actually had the first inkling of a clue into the male mind, you would know, without a shadow of a doubt, that the statement that you wrote is completely and utterly false.
Being a guy, I have not met one other guy in my lifetime that has looked at porn (and off the top of my head, i don't remember any guy i've known that DIDN'T look at porn) and actually had it effect the "expectations" they had from the women around them. Men will always be fascinated with pornography and the female body, flawless or not, but we never have, and never will, take a look at a magazine, and expect every woman to live up to that standard of physical flawlessness. We are not that cruel, and we are not that stupid.
If you want to take a moment to blame anybody, concerning your low self esteem and sh1tty self-image, blame your mother, blame your sisters, blame your female friends. WOMEN are the reason that women feel inferior, NOT men. | |
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| Models in skin mags: what do you think of them?
Posted: 6/3/2008 3:23:37 AM | | What gets me is how so many women claim that a beautiful woman in a magazine is not "real"...they are real.I have seen them up close and they are very real...the opposite of them is also all too real. | |
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| Models in skin mags: what do you think of them?
Posted: 6/3/2008 5:59:10 AM |
What gets me is how so many women claim that a beautiful woman in a magazine is not "real"...they are real.I have seen them up close and they are very real...the opposite of them is also all too real.
I agree totally with this post. The women in mags are "done up" with make up and photo editor. But guess what so are the guys in those mags too. Let me give you an example. My family has been around and we are fortunate enough to meet up with some famous people. My sister met a famous rock band from the 80's in the 80's (not now). Well on "tv" and the rock mags the lead singer was "dreamy" and "hot" she meet him in person and he was the ugliest guy she ever meet and I'm not taking about attitude but looks. She said that she about died when she saw him. She couldn't believe that they could pull that off. That was then in the 80's before computers were mainstream like they are today. And the technology was far what it is today. So might I ask what is the difference?
Best of luck to everyone
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| Models in skin mags: what do you think of them?
Posted: 6/3/2008 9:15:18 AM | | Not getting your thoughts; men like models because they are good looking and sexy. Not getting your deep thoughts because its not deep. They look at porn because it arouses them and the women turn them on. | |
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