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Posted: 7/3/2008 12:50:08 PM | [macromorgan 6/10/08] You've been had mate,better go back to your physics books and read them properly . True there is always some wasted energy. But we are making a high energy gas with a tiny amount of electricity. The power in the gas is what is used to add much extra combustion power to the engine with the gasoline deisel etc! | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 1:00:39 PM | [aqamemnonn 6/10/08] Go back to start! We are not using any "frequency" generator or picking up energy from nowhere. It's simple elctrolosis to make a high powered gas. Been around since 1800's. I think you read or watch too much science fiction.
Where do people get these really weird ideas?????????????/ | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 1:22:34 PM | [Jiperly 6/10/08] 1 Stanley Meyer is not the inventor of this process. 2The car does not run solely on water.3 The car does not run perpetually without fuel. 4 Don't you know the Wikipedia site is sensored by government 5 These systems are available around the world and have been for a while. 6 The origional discovery was made in the late 1800's, sorry, no Nobel prizes for other peoples discoveries. I'm not allowed to advertise on this site, but would be happy to discuss it further by private e mail. | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 2:07:25 PM | | Some people on this forum are OK , so I say thankyou to those who actually know what they're talking about , I believe they know who they are. I have pulled up some on their mistakes ,some on their naivety,others on their foolishness, I prefer not to use harsher words than these. I believe I have given enough information to silence the skeptics. But those who are just so full of crap, I'm not even going to respond to or debate absolute rubbish with them. | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 3:30:16 PM | Well I haven’t bothered opening up this thread for obvious reasons, but now that I have...
So now the wisdom of Solomon tells us that we have been spelling electrolysis the wrong way all this time...
The first rule of trying to sell crap is to actually know your crap, again, your words.
Electrolysis is not as simple a thing to do as you are leading on, (Check Faradays 1st and 2nd laws of electrolysis) only a fraction of the worlds production of hydrogen is produced by electrolysis. Most hydrogen production is done by gaseous diffusion from natural gas. This is because in order to produce enough hydrogen to do you any good you would have to have an alternator or a generator larger than the cars engine is capable of handling. Electrolysis is very inefficient, just ask anyone working at a chemical production plant.
Secondly, if you were to produce enough hydrogen to power the car, controlling it would be a huge problem, get to much and you would literally blow your engine to pieces with a standard carburetor or fuel injections system, and probably you along with it. Its rather potent stuff.
Thirdly, if you really feel the need to try it the kits are available for a small fee. They have been purchased by a number of garages with the sponsorship of news agencies and tried out, as well as being done by a rather popular show called Mythbusters and they do not work. They don’t produce enough hydrogen to do any good, not enough voltage and the anodes and cathodes sold in these kits are of poor quality.
So, like the magnets that were sold to stick on your fuel line or the air diffuser you had to mount to your air cleaner, this one is going in the trash along with the rest of them. Besides Solomon, by selling this stuff you have just put yourself in the same category as any other company trying to sell stuff, you are now The Man, and The Man is only in it for himself....
Oh, and by the way, navel type nuclear reactors don’t produce electricity, they produce heat which drive generators with the use of steam. | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 3:46:54 PM | yes you have not heard of it from anyone because who would admit it. That would be foolish
Why? People admit to damn near everything now days. The only thing foolish about it would be if you expected some one to believe it! Why didn't the railroad buy out the car industry years back? Or the coal suppliers that oil companies years back? | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 7:29:14 PM |
Sorry mate, these units are being produced constantly around the world while you failed your physics and chemistry exam.
Actually, I did quite well in those exams. All I ask for is one working model. Just one out of all those units being produced constantly all over the world.
Methinks solomon999 either isn't as wise as his namesake or is hoping the rest of us aren't. Anybody wanna buy some swampland?  | |
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Posted: 7/4/2008 12:52:57 AM |
It's a total FRAUD until someone can actually MAKE one that WORKS and SHOWS IT OFF to PROVE IT!!
Anyone who gives cash money to these fools deserves to loose it.
This should be the absolute minimum requirement for anyone claiming such revolutionary success. Buy the damn kit, put one together, and make it work. Then ***show*** (not tell or email) someone... ANYone.
I'll be the very first to applaud you and publicly admit my error. In front of the Press, if that's what you want. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2008 9:16:22 AM | Hi sax11 mate. At least one more intelligent person on this forum who knows what they're talking about!!!
Arrogants as opposed to facts and a reluctants to intelligently discuss your ideas = a much higher probability of a quack/fraud! Yea I know you know more than any one else, otherwise we'd be able the comprehend your genius, | |
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Posted: 7/4/2008 9:40:18 AM | [zerospazz 7/4/08] A fitting title. Must take a genius to pick up a typo. But I don't mind,I had only 4 hrs sleep in the last 48 due to work, so I may make plenty more typo's in the future !
You mention HYDROGEN, as in the chemical H, I expect. Well for you and all the other self confessed experts here I did not mention that particular substance, so lecture on all you like about it, but you're still right off the track of what I am talking about.
Also, I'm not trying to sell crap, which is more than I can say about some of those here.
I find nothing wrong with people being sceptical about something, but what I do find a tad ridiculous as well as tedious, is people babbling on about something other than what I am talking about, and quoting scientific principles or so&so's laws or scientific laws when they do not understand how they are applied in this process that is being used.
I do not know what these other kits are you refer to that you have not stated, unless you're just here to utter things without the proper information for people to be able refer to them to be checked.
Yes I have seen some mythbusters' programs, I call them mythwankers, because they do some of the most ridiculously uncontrolled experiments I've ever seen.Not to mention the fact that I have found soooo so many flaws in there in their crap it's not funny. I recon a 16yo child could pick the stupid mistakes they make, let alone the irrefutably wrong conclusions they draw. I recon they should be called the mythstooges, but that would even be way too disrespecful to the Three Stooges.
The real kits that I and others are selling is not for me to gain any great personal fortune out of,I think you're confusing me with Bill Gates and others like him; maybe yourself even. You know the saying, "evil people think evil thoughts".
One question for all the "professors" here, (and I ask those who actually do know the answer, that are not those I'm refering to here, not to give them the answer please). What gas can we get from water to compliment the fuel we are already using in regular cars, trucks , etc engines today?? Now without rushing out to google, read or ask someone who already knows this; just please answer honestly. I don't care if you know or not, just give your answer honestly, and if you don't know please just say "I don't know. For an honest answer will come from an honest man/woman, but the dishonest answerer is only decieving him/herself, not me. So please answer HONESTLY.
PS. This technology creates no greenhouse gasses, and the perfectors of these systems are all about saving the planet like me. They are not in it for huge profits like oil companies, car makers and radical capitalists. Or these huge fuelsaving and money saving systems would be many times the price the are now .So sorry, I am not "The Man" you are refering to ! (evil thoughts again?)
And on one last note. When were you last invited into the secret millitary manufacturing plant, or seen the latest plans for the production of the latest nuclear powered seacraft in the US or anywhere else. And don't say "just look on the web or this book". I'm sure the US and everyone else just splash their secret millitary plans all over the place so we can all see them and every man and his dog can make one!!!
I wait for all replies to give final instructions for PROOF you can go and see for yourself !!!!!!! But will I get any apologies when I prove the facts?????????
Untill then I'll be busting my guts to help planet and people. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2008 9:52:53 AM | [quietcowboy 7/5/08] Sorry mate, I'm not trying to be arrogant, but I have learned some physics and some science. Less than some, more than others.
Sorry qc I'm certainly no genious either. And if you want to find out about the water business that sax11 mentions I suggest to talk to him or someone else who can inform you. I'm sorry I just have the time to go into it, but you can find out easy enough if you want to. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2008 10:38:13 AM | Ummm, hate to burst your bubble, sax11... but the planet is losing water at a known rate to gravitational stripping by the moon and solar wind/radiation on the upper atmosphere, as well as simple diffusion. It is also GAINING water at a relatively predictable rate from the influx of water-bearing space debris... now, a big, icy comet impacting the planet would upset that, make a mess, and generally bring a lot of water to the planet.
Also, water is being sequestered in the interior of the planet at subduction regions in the crust, and released from the interior by volcanic activity.
To say the water on the planet is constant and will never change is overly-simplistic, bordering on ignorant.
And as for solomon999, we're all waiting your great disclosure. Again, you want to sell something; so sell us. Show us a working device or vehicle. ANYthing. Otherwise, go pound sand as the fraud I strongly suspect you of being. (And I already said I'd publicly and loudly admit my error if you can provide any actual proof... I'll gladly add an apology to the mix. But, PUT UP OR SHUT UP.)  | |
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Posted: 7/4/2008 11:46:46 AM |
I do not know what these other kits are you refer to that you have not stated, unless you're just here to utter things without the proper information for people to be able refer to them to be checked.
Good grief Charlie Brown, I'm the one thats not posting information? What the hell are you talking about? The link is in the first post of this thread, you want some more?
Google: HHO, I got 3.2 million hits, anyone can do it...
You want some more? These facts seem straight enough, not to bad for Wikipedia, which I don't like, but in this case it's accurate...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HHO_gas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car
Now wheres your proof? Send it here, they will be glad to run a story on it, (again)...
http://www.cnn.com/
http://www.foxnews.com/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/
As for the rest of your rhetoric...."Yawn!!"
Your worse than the people who said the moon missions are a hoax, at least they aren't trying to rip people off... | |
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Posted: 7/4/2008 12:04:04 PM |
but I have learned some physics and some science. Less than some, more than others
Yes, I have learned some physics and some science too, but for me to address your claims I don't need them. The lessons life has thought me are more than enough. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2008 3:59:04 PM |
Cars can be made to run on water using the correct combination of chemicals, however the formula for such a thing is owned by an oil company, or so a professor once told me.
Let me guess, he told you this while you two were sharing bong of what they used to smoke in Vietnam. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2008 9:12:35 AM | Well, I see only one person bothered to answer my question , even though they didn't know the answer without having to search for it.
As we all know, as scientists work away quietly in their labs, discoveries and breakthroughs are being made which bring to light new evidences that make what we already know, to be a pitiful amount of knowledge. Yes, current scientific laws state this and that. But when new discoveries are made which current laws seem not to agree with, new chapters are added to the science books.
So if you choose to base your assumptions on 'behind the times' current common scientific knowledge, then knowledge would never increase.
I quote, All truth passes through three stages: First it is ridiculed; Second it is violently opposed; and Third it is accepted as self evident.
--Arthur Schopenhauer ( 1788--1860 )
I also quote, "When you're one step ahead of the crowd you're a genius. When you're two steps ahead, you're a crackpot."
Rabbi Shlomo Riskin, ( Feb.1988)
I'm neither a genius or an amazing scientist, just someone who accepts new proven evidence.
I will supply as much information as possible for you all when I have it available, which will be soon. That is for those who are willing to take the time to research it. For the hardhead unbelievers, or those that do not do the research, I can offer little or no hope. If you don't look, how will you be able to see, let alone understand. If the blind lead the blind,wont they both fall into the ditch?
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Posted: 7/5/2008 10:17:11 AM |
even though they didn't know the answer without having to search for it.
This myth has been around for more than a decade, it is becoming popular again only because of the price of fuel. So anyway I see that your not actually reading the material I supplied you, so here are a few interesting facts that you and others may want to know.
Ignition temperature of gasoline is 495F or 232c, which allows gasoline engines to run at around 190f to 230f normally with its cooling system and generally overheat and sieze at 260f.
HHO ignites at 1065f or 570c, over twice the temperature of gasoline, and if you were to get the fuel to sustained reaction that would be at 2800c. All of these temperature will overheat and sieze an engine very quickly.
So even if you are actually getting past the electrolysis problem, which your not as stated in post 55 , and if you do produce HHO it will not even ignite in the combustion chamber. All its going to do is turn back into H2O... | |
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Posted: 7/5/2008 10:23:39 AM | Heres some more fun facts....
Stanley Meyers claimed he ran his 1.6 liter Volkswagen dune buggy on water instead of gasoline. In1996 he was found guilty of fraud in an Ohio court.
Charles H. Garrett from Dallas, Texas allegedly demonstrated a water-fuelled car, which was reported on September 8, 1935. The car generated hydrogen by electrolysis as can be seen by examining Garrett's patent, issued that same year.U.S. Patent 2,006,676 This patent includes drawings which show a carburetor similar to an ordinary float-type carburetor but with electrolysis plates in the lower portion, and where the float is used to maintain the level of the water. Garrett's patent fails to identify a new source of energy. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2008 10:35:35 AM | | I've kinda kept out of this because it was getting a little to technical for me but food for though. A hydrogen engine does work. In the 90's Vancouver Canada started running 7 hydrogen city busses. I believe they have been running for quite some time hauling passangers all over the city. You wouldn't even know it if you passed you because they dont look any different form any other city bus. | |
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