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Posted: 7/5/2008 10:43:06 AM |
I've kinda kept out of this because it was getting a little to technical for me but food for though. A hydrogen engine does work. In the 90's Vancouver Canada started running 7 hydrogen city busses. I believe they have been running for quite some time hauling passangers all over the city. You wouldn't even know it if you passed you because they dont look any different form any other city bus.
I don't think too many people here don't believe that an engine can be run off of hydrogen. What we questions is whether creating hydrogen gas for that engine is worthwhile. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2008 10:55:05 AM | http://youtube.com/watch?v=QmqpGZv0YT4
Here's a good won for ewe assumption and opinion worshipers to attack and discredit (sp mistakes on purpose, little gift for those who are more ego then spirit).
Ah, Alas, I know, egos and oil are partners and all the pollution and the generous and destructive criminal minded monopoly on the sector tied with your investments/pension plans and your plan for amusement/entertainment after you retire from the lies and rhetoric, may be diminished if people are educated rather then de-educated courtesy of corps(e) and their spiritless employees/peons.
Those who are neck-deep (or more) indebted to or in debt through, being solely within the system/mechanism that has and still debases nature/man and earth, for material gain and their lives purpose will have nothing but the rhetoric, lies and karma that will come as reward for their work, their life and their spirit.
Alternative fuels put contentment in jeopardy for those with imaginary riches, inflated egos and who believe the illusion called life which should be renames strife for materialists as it suits their mindsets and personalities as well as the cause and effect that results when any of the employees/peons for corps(e) participate in any discussion about any topic other then celebrity worshiping.
Air, water, solar, hemp seed oil, guar seed oil and more are better for the earth and the economy but worse for those who are lies in the flesh. Funny, they never include all the damage that is a direct result of what they promote and always, after causing horrendous conditions, steal from the ignorant to fix their evil works all the while creating a new system to use as a part of their wealth/spirit transfer mechanism.
Truth kills ego, lies inflate them, insult, rhetoric and the like are their tools, ignore their attacks on egos and all that is temporary, look at the nature of their presentation, learn the true purpose of their words and efforts, they sacrifice time and energy (spirit within real people) to protect material, materialists and the debasing of earth and mankind. They are the ones who are truly akin to those who assassinate those who champion peace and equality as, without duality, debate and strife, they are illusions, lies just like all that they offer within any conversation. They gnash their teeth and attack, using the weapon they enjoy most, their own ignorance and hate of truth.
I guess compressed air is not as good as oil..... traitors to man and earth would champion oil, pollution, war and strife while those of spirit work to gain wealth for mankind not false and cheated riches and wealth for unkind men. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2008 10:55:32 AM | Hydrogen fuel can be used in one of two ways. Actual hydrogen fuel that is burned in internal combustion engines is not actually pure hydrogen, it is a natural gas, hydrogen mix, somthing like less than 5% hydrogen. A pure hydrogen fuel cannot be burned in an engine, the combustion temps are to high.
The bus project your talking about has been used for a while, it is also used in Europe and is based on hydrogen fuel cells. These take the hydogen and recombine it with oxygen which produces electricity. The electricity is then used to run electric motors to power the bus. The only thing that comes from the exhaust is water... | |
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Posted: 7/5/2008 1:14:52 PM | Here's a good won for ewe assumption and opinion worshipers to attack and discredit (sp mistakes on purpose, little gift for those who are more ego then spirit).
Ah, Alas, I know, egos and oil are partners and all the pollution and the generous and destructive criminal minded monopoly on the sector tied with your investments/pension plans and your plan for amusement/entertainment after you retire from the lies and rhetoric, may be diminished if people are educated rather then de-educated courtesy of corps(e) and their spiritless employees/peons.
Those who are neck-deep (or more) indebted to or in debt through, being solely within the system/mechanism that has and still debases nature/man and earth, for material gain and their lives purpose will have nothing but the rhetoric, lies and karma that will come as reward for their work, their life and their spirit.
Alternative fuels put contentment in jeopardy for those with imaginary riches, inflated egos and who believe the illusion called life which should be renames strife for materialists as it suits their mindsets and personalities as well as the cause and effect that results when any of the employees/peons for corps(e) participate in any discussion about any topic other then celebrity worshiping.
Air, water, solar, hemp seed oil, guar seed oil and more are better for the earth and the economy but worse for those who are lies in the flesh. Funny, they never include all the damage that is a direct result of what they promote and always, after causing horrendous conditions, steal from the ignorant to fix their evil works all the while creating a new system to use as a part of their wealth/spirit transfer mechanism.
Truth kills ego, lies inflate them, insult, rhetoric and the like are their tools, ignore their attacks on egos and all that is temporary, look at the nature of their presentation, learn the true purpose of their words and efforts, they sacrifice time and energy (spirit within real people) to protect material, materialists and the debasing of earth and mankind. They are the ones who are truly akin to those who assassinate those who champion peace and equality as, without duality, debate and strife, they are illusions, lies just like all that they offer within any conversation. They gnash their teeth and attack, using the weapon they enjoy most, their own ignorance and hate of truth.
I guess compressed air is not as good as oil..... traitors to man and earth would champion oil, pollution, war and strife while those of spirit work to gain wealth for mankind not false and cheated riches and wealth for unkind men.
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Posted: 7/5/2008 2:10:40 PM | Oh, here is an ego with legs.
What is your point?
Are you so much like so many fools I run into online who have little knowledge and less wisdom, who resort to childish insulting and pushing assumption and opinion as truth?
It is simple to find those who are party to ignorance, just post something that hurts an ego, like truth and they gnash their teeth, post biased opinions, rhetoric/assumptions all the while trying to belittle others because their ego hurts.
I have read your writings in the forum loudcowboy, rarely if ever have you, like those you echo post to, not any original thought and mostly always, the same spiritless/material loving personalities are supportive of that which is against truth and nature, pro-war/crimes against man and the list goes on.
Some of you are exactly like those who are paid to post in forums but are getting replaced by computer software with AI, there is something to look forward, corporate/global elite software with the same ideals and desires as you, if only you could be cloned, they would save so much on the costs, give you peanuts and fake/fiat $ and you will likely say anything.
Anyway, are you sad that the devils blood will no longer be used to feed your retirement? it is sad, so many are trying to come together in this mad world & do good for nature and mankind & stop all the senseless use and wasting of resources for false profit. It is sad that all that is raped from man and earth is for sake of the the illusion of material gain.
Good seems to be attacked far to often (but not always) and is always stifled by peons and fools who would rather argue and falsely believe egos that feed their minds weeds not knowledge.
They, peons and fools, believe egos over fact, they even buy, pay for lies as, Truth is 100% free, it is the lies that cost money and time/potential and money is a lie in itself as well as fiat is fake and the mechanism controls the elites wealth transfer system/scheme, well they think they own it (Godless men) but in fact, it owns them and will soon be their demise.
In the minds of peons, they have gained from the peons given/sacrificed space within their mind to host hate and rhetoric within their soulless being. Hate, rhetoric, assumption, support of war/usury is all those without spirit can share within any circumstance, they likely bleed lies, rhetoric/insult when cut.
But whatever turns your crank cowboy, if it makes you feel good to attack people, then go about your business and use your best childish insults and opinions as, when it comes to me, you have no idea and all you will spew is BS and detrimental to your obvious mental state and being.
I figure, some of the fools who spew BS/ego within their posts may just get be getting kicks out of sharing their hate and attempting to tempt egos into battle/conflicts, playing insult tennis with other fools. Unfortunately, I do not waste much time on ignorance but felt moved to reply in length to your post which is basically just assumption and an attempt to belittle, to belittle is to be LITTLE. So maybe you are just simple and believe all the lies and opinions that followed, IN THE.
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Air can power vehicles and as is widespread knowledge, much innovation and better products have been kept from the public regarding technologies so as corrupt and ignorant men could build their egos and strengthen their dogmas while poisoning life and living and thinking they own the minds of fools who can not understand that to live is free, all you need to live can be found freely (except where the industrialists/vampires have sucked all the life and resources from and left poison and uninhabitable land/water, your heroes). All should know and hold true that all that arrives from natures bounty is for all man and beast alike, although corrupted and childish egos would beg to differ and motion to debate and see others fetch and cook and serve them food while they try to qualify their theft and criminal actions and intent. Same fools of old, spear holding a tablecloth pretending it is a flag, fools and losers for millenniums.
Only a corps(e) and those who would vampire from a corps(e) would live to replicate nature and at the same time debase it all for the sake of lies and ego, which are the same. Defending oil and the destruction of life and earth is not the mindset of a sane man.
To attack alternative energy and those who are seeking to benefit all mankind is an act of treason upon earth and man however, egos would prefer to protect corps(e) and opinions/lies so as they can earn their right to one day rest in peace while they struggle in life to protect their corrupted ego and hide the truth they are slave to material and others.
So many who earn today from the oh so many lies of yesterday will be without anything essential, all that is garbage and worthless will flood them and their kind as the illusion unfolds and the criminals realize that they have been had, they have been had along as are those who have jumped on the bandwagon of lies and rhetoric and material gain, fools one and all.
My advise to those who are forever posting/spewing insults and who continue being a pimple on the butt of life, be careful, there is a big scratch coming up and the right salve will fix the irritation permanently .
People just can't see that being a hemorrhoid upon existence is not a good way to live.
Soon it will be adios amoebas to those who took mates not dates from the Tree of Life and who live to do the old Monkey see, Monkey do routine for the complimenting and ever treat giving corps(e). Guess that is why fiat $ is called bananas, only those who believe they are of and from apes would want them in their paws in lieu of what is real.
ps. No I am not a ghost writer, I am who I am, nothing more, nothing less, I am not fiat nor do i lie when I post nor do i post to abet rhetoric or to further strife that others bring. Post back, you are posting for your ego and the egos of others.
Ho Ho Ho, Merry Xmas, want to buy some toys for your religious ceremoney?
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Posted: 7/5/2008 2:48:35 PM | My point is big oil "owns" 3% of the world oil reserves. 60% of the worlds usable oil exists in the mideast, with Canada and Venezuela having a large part of the rest. Almost none of it is not own by Royal Dutch, Exxon,etc. The US government doesn't own much of it at all. Big oil makes its money by refining oil and distribution of oil. If a fuel was found in the world that hopefully would be in a more stable place than the mideast or Venezuela and cheaper, I am positive they would love to be selling it to us - that is what is capitalism all about.
As far as car companies blocking a new technology - bull. If you don't pay attention to business news, last week there were rumors that GM might be soon bankrupt. Talk about an industry that is badly hurting for new technology. A new technology that is much more efficient and inexpensive without asking its users to give up the comforts that we are used to would be a godsend.
Next the "mutual" funds that "we" own, buy and sell company shares hourly, some the make money and some they don't. So if a great idea comes along that competes with a product one of the company's that they hold shares, guess what a competent money manager will do? This has happened time and time again and is happening even today. Take a look at the companies that make up the Dow Jones Index today, twenty-five years ago, fifty years ago and seventy-five years ago. Hell I've had funds the held big positions in Enron for cry'n out loud.
I have read your writings in the forum loudcowboy, rarely if ever have you, like those you echo post to, not any original thought and mostly always, the same spiritless/material loving personalities are supportive of that which is against truth and nature, pro-war/crimes against man and the list goes on.
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Posted: 7/5/2008 3:31:42 PM | solomon999:
<div class="quote">The real kits that I and others are selling is not for me to gain any great personal fortune out of,I think you're confusing me with Bill Gates and others like him; maybe yourself even. You know the saying, "evil people think evil thoughts".
If you kits work as you say, the best thing you could do for mankind is sell it and make a boat load of money from it. This would motivate others to improve your ideas or to come up with better ideas. That how the world progresses.
BTW, I'm not here to stickup for Bill Gates or anything, but right now the Bill&Belinda Gates Foundation is the largest charitable foundation in the world. They have given more money to charity than most countries have! | |
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Posted: 7/5/2008 5:13:00 PM | | Guys, I wouldn't worry to much about 8one2 or Solomon, we all know that statements like, "bla bla bla, feelings and bla bla bla I know something and you don't, and bla bla bla, cry, cry emotions and ego's," don't make for a good fuel to burn. 8one2 does it all the time, just ignore him. Lets have someone talk about some facts and science, maybe we can get that to burn as fuel!! | |
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Posted: 7/5/2008 5:53:47 PM | Please go back on your meds.
And more losers show up, The Fascist peon Squad, Lies and Deceit and attack people for no reason. You fools are coming to the aid of a fool who attacked me for no reason other then a bruised ego because he recognized the err in his way and knows he is a part of what is wrong in the world.
Ah, but then again, this is how you all act and behave at all times, it is so apparent you are all fascist sympathizers and truly ignorant of most of what life and living is, you are materialists who have no spirit and you find joy in watching different sized and shaped balls get bounced, kicked, thrown, swatted by sticks. You love to sacrifice time/potential so as to watch cars go in circles, now there is your way of living, sounds like you are more like cats and dogs then human beings.
Don't forget, the ceremoney for people who pretend for a living, you likely believe this is an important aspect of life, highly regarded way to earn a living, acting, pretending
But anyway, I couldn't resist pointing out the usual MO of the one who is without intellect and without spirit, as he couldn't resist the loser tool, childish insult.
It is always the same idiots on here who do the same thing as they can not challenge truth with anything other then stupidity and childish insults, thought maybe the one who speaks little and has no original thoughts was the cream of the crap, I mean crop. But now the cavalry of fascists and peons come to aid DependswearingCowboy.
Attack a poster with assumption and insult, this was his introduction to me, the same all of the other peons who have joined the chorus have done many times in the past, it is only a few but always the same, you fools hate to much and truly have nothing worthwhile to offer the world so all you do is attack and act like fools, I fart in your general direction.
Then you get it back with tact and in an articulated manner and then return with the same childish insulting. Why is it that Godless people are always the same, they often pretend to have respect/civility but only if it can gain something from lying.
The peons are never going to change.
Is it a wonder no one wants to go to war for you idiots as all any of you do is nothing but cause strife and insult anything that makes sense.
Here is a thread started to discuss innovation and it attracts those who do little more then spew rhetoric, the opinions of others and insult anyone who provides good information and a unique view on things.
Sure, you people take Popular Mechanics/hobbyists as experts and try and tell the world that experts are no match for those who merely talk about stuff others do and build for a living and those you seem to respect most are corporate tools and not even of or for the people you masquerade as being of and with.
I know having a corps(e) as your best buddy is good for some but really, do you think that being one who insults people is actually of and for the people? You likely have never had an original thought in your life, it must really hurt that ego or the opinion you bought.
Remember, truth is free, lies cost money, all you fools spent way to much to get what you got, stupid.
Having advanced education and working in various fields I have met some of the most intelligent/brilliant people living today, none would give anytime to any people who do little more then spew insults and rhetoric.
I am sure you are popular with hobbyists and fiat people but within intelligent people you are lost and unwelcome, you likely could not understand anything other then rhetoric and distraction which you create and enhance to keep ignorant in line, who would wish to be like any of you idiots, it has to be a job for you, no one could truly be so vehement towards truth in their free time.
It is troubling as one would look to learn why you same posters are always behaving the same way as it seems as it is a lifestyle and since all of the fascists here are against that which is for freedom and for peace, it is apparent that none of the corporatist peons and employee before being human should even live in a free country nor even have an opinion on any matter that is directly related to people ever even considered, as, you prove by attacking people constantly, that you are not of them nor with them. I have more fun helping the disabled then conversing with fools and I find them to be more civil and more educated then the peons who are on here attacking truth and good people.
I guess being online and knowing how to type and insult is a big deal for some of the lowlifes who pass/sacrifice time here sharing idiocy and attacking people for no reason, what is the purpose of what you do, have you not been able to just not say anything other then BS and spew insults, is it a condition or a disease that drives you spew insults and believe lies and even promote them?
If anyone should be on meds it those war drum bangers who have not an ounce of civility nor the ability to have a conversation as, anything they spew is truly rhetoric and meant to cause strife.
It is a shame, good people with good hearts and good minds have to put up with potty mouth pea brained losers who pretend to be something they aren't, that being human.
Air/wind, solar, battery anything but oil as it has given great power and influence to the lowest forms of life on the planet and the most ignorant of men champion their efforts to destroy the world and pollute and debase all that is essential to life, fools and enemies of man and nature and you attack people who defend the planet and people, what kind of fool tries to play as if he is a person but he attacks people for no reason other then to prove he is w/o spirit and civility.
Put on some new Depends and get a life, the stuff in your diaper is leaking and is now coming from your mouth. You should learn to be civil and stop attacking people online as it makes the more mellow fascists seem almost bearable, you arehurting the fascist movement.
Anyway, the trees in Africa likely hold your soulmate so why are here, is it the insult and being a jerk to intelligent people thing, is that your fetish?
Sorry mods, this man attacked me first and then carried it on, it is people like that who are in bunches, like bananas, who make this site truly a corporate site with employees pretending to be people as they attack truth with lies and good people with insults, sad that so many live only to cause strife and be jerks, no wonder the world is how it is, they want the Planet of the Sons of Apes and wish to destroy Eden for a profit, what losers.
c u awl a round
ho ho ho, Merry Xmas, want to buy some Depends for the long trips on the bus?
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Posted: 7/5/2008 6:31:00 PM | These two statements and actually more, are posted by 8one2...
"who resort to childish insulting and pushing assumption and opinion as truth?"
"Attack a poster with assumption and insult"
Then he says this...
Put on some new Depends and get a life, the stuff in your diaper is leaking and is now coming from your mouth"
"People just can't see that being a hemorrhoid upon existence is not a good way to live."
Which as I have pointed out to him before, makes him a hypocrite, he cancels himself out in his own words
Now here is the truth...
For those that believe that big corporations or governments are actually trying to hide or supress technology that will help us has obviously never worked for either. Here is the thing...
Corporations: Always try to work as cheaply as possible, that means they will explore any option available to them to do so, even if that means using other forms of energy, which they are, despite what big oil wants. They cannot keep secrets, they always leak out, take the video gaming industry as an example amoung many others that actually try to keep secrets.
Governments: Do not operate as one entity, one branch does not know or care what other branches are doing and usually even within the branches or even in the very same offices, one doesn't know what the other is doing. This is because of ignorance, not because someone knows how to keep a secret. It is impossible for government to do anything right, let alone keep a huge secret. Take the Manhattan Project for example, need I say more....
If there were actually any miracle machines or technology that would solve this problem niether of the above mentioned entities would be able to surpress it or stop it. The only problem now is that no one can agree on any particular course of action. Very much like in this thread as a matter of fact. However, no matter how much anyone wants any one particular thing to work, if it doesn't obey the laws of science and nature, if it just plain doesn't actually work, then its not going to help us... | |
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Posted: 7/5/2008 7:08:49 PM | Poke a dog until it barks or bite and then you can call it vicious, such a loser, get a life. What makes you think you are capable of judging me? Who gives you power to lord over others. Is it that you fit a description I made of the egos that are parading as people? The earlier post which brought about the first poke, seems old hat now, why is that? Is that a ploy, an act, an agenda? Why misrepresent? Why are you involved, you have had no conversing with me on any matter, all you type is insult, rhetoric and the opinions of other that you proclaim to own.
Yep, poke a dog and poke him again, keep poking until he bites, then you can say he is vicious.
I can read you all like books, you are simple and truly uneducated in communication and in reading people.
All you do is work with and against ego and truth is the furtherest thing from your minds as, it is vacant and can not take seed.
Weeds or words, they are the same to those who are nil more then aa waste of time and space, that which is not truly of nor akin to nature.
Having read the entire thread and having not posting originally to attack or to defend but merely to share, I find i8t quite odd that you, as an attacker upon my and others, is crying foul.
You peopns need to study the Greeks of old and learn what it is to think for oneself, you should try it, get an original thought, think about it and then act on it, you may be surprised, you may actually say something nice without the intent of getting something.
Be the new breed of peons, be the friendly fascist, the one that evolved and lost the throwing poop around gene that is inherited from the swingers on the old family tree.
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Those of spirit and of good heart do not attack people who post for no other reason then to post insult nor condemn people you do not know for their way thinking.
But to be of that mindset that calls upon you and those like you to attack and insult people, you are truly sick and not of people, good people, you are a cliche, a gimmick, a chameleon, one who is not of spirit and not a good neighbor nor friend as, that which you would be near would have to be weaker and dumber or you would attack it, so your life, from your action and behaviour must be very lonely or filled with you making fun of people and thinking your a big shot.
You seem as a fool who has a big head because one day you got the better of someone who was fake to begin with, but that is my read, just trying to figure out why you think poking a dog over and over and making him bark means he is vicious, that is sick logic, very sick. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2008 8:13:00 PM |
These two statements and actually more, are posted by 8one2...
"who resort to childish insulting and pushing assumption and opinion as truth?"
"Attack a poster with assumption and insult"
Then he says this...
Put on some new Depends and get a life, the stuff in your diaper is leaking and is now coming from your mouth"
"People just can't see that being a hemorrhoid upon existence is not a good way to live."
Which as I have pointed out to him before, makes him a hypocrite, he cancels himself out in his own words
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Posted: 7/5/2008 8:53:40 PM | Still acting like peons for ignorance.
In reviewing all that you offer this site and the visitors it is apparent that what you spew is what deters friendly people from participation in threads, is this your job?
You welcome all with stupidity and insult within a community that is suppose to breed unity and the like between human-beings not agenda ridden employees and shills for oil companies.
Each one of those who used their maximum debating skills with the potty mouth routine is always using the same approach to all topics of discussion and you post to yourselves and each other in all threads, like a little team of NAZI peons, obviously no one with spirit or goodness within them is with you sharing in the mindset that attacking people for no reason is a sign of a good person as all who champion what you spew forever bang war drums and spew insult and rhetoric.
You should take a break from being jerks, share constructively or is destruction all that you can achieve as, within construction creativity is needed and yourselves being programmed by elitist agenda have little creativity as that is a stumbling block when one is a corporate tool.
But maybe you are all just fools who play one-handed typing and try to get under skin and tickle egos. If any of you know one truth, you would disappear as, truth destroys ego and you people who merely attack and pawn others thoughts of as your own are nil but assumptions and opinions yourselves.
Carry on proving you are of ape and fling poop, you ruin every thread you appear in, must make you feel real good to be the cause for the stoppage of creativity because you do not understand how an opinion you worship is wrong.
Maybe get a life you people are something else, not human, something else, I pity those who befriend you, truly I do.
Any forum that welcomes those who do little more then negate and ruin creative discussion is not of and for people, I see them defend peons all the time and suspend and take away privilege for those who do not fall away because idiots hopped up on opinions with pimped up egos fling their feces around.
Truly you people are jokes and most must know you are fiat in being here for anything other then being an annoyance, disruption.
I am sure you are well hated on any site you go to, good for you gramps, good for you.
Funny how everybody who is of the mindset to post insults and nothing more are always atheist, pro-war (not serving but getting others), pro-corporate and always for the elite owned candidates, you people are like cloned fools.
But to be against research into this field is proof away from the fact that you panty wastes say the WTC incident should not be investigated by unbiased persons, that jet fuel can melt steel and that the war being waged for Israel and Halliburton is worth the wealth and the lives and futures of hundreds of millions of people whom you pretend to be akin to but, as your nature suggests, you would attack them and insult them if they were anti-corp or anti-oil/anti-elite and so forth.
You people are such losers, do you actually believe the things you are paid to post? Like really, are you truly that dense? I actually believe that you are dense and not paid and I am sure you will admit you are that dense and go on an prove it more concisely by attempting to insult me in a childish manner.
Anyway, I wish you would tell me if you are really that dense and believe what you post or if you not dense but paid to post that which you spew? Personally, I think you are that dense, what have you got to say?
Get real though, you are posting in a manner that states you are against researching into alternatives to replace oil and you think that insulting people who are for research and looking into alternatives is what intelligent and sane people should do, come on, are you that dense?
But peace to you even though you bit my ankle upon my posting my thoughts, so please, for the future, refrain your childish behaviour and spewing of idiotic insults teamed with idiotic assumption from my posts.
Go chase others whom you wish to tickle and rile the ego of, I've tired of being within what you deem to be living, worthless exchanging of words with that which is dead in spirit and loves it and promotes living ignorantly with no civility as a way of a good life. Ignorance truly is bliss for some.
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Posted: 7/5/2008 9:47:07 PM | Re wolf heart23 7/5/08. No, the oil comp's do not own the formula or patent for the system I am talking of. The system of turning water into gas to ADD to your existing fuel/air mixture. Let me state this again for everyone. This information is in the PUBLIC DOMAIN and therfore CANNOT BE PATENTED by me or anyone else.
There are other plans publicly available for running engines on water only fuel using a similar processes. But the engine parts exposed to the combustion and exhaust processes need to be made of stainless steel to last. So the cost of building such engines are prohibitive for the average person. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2008 10:02:17 PM | I did not start this thread with the intentions that it would start a Pissing match. I realy dont care what insults came from who Lets all act like respectful adults and not school children. Drop the insults and stick to the thread. After all this is a dating site and what would your potential date think after reading what has been said here.
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Posted: 7/6/2008 6:33:04 AM | Zspazz would have you believe everyone using these systems will have great big generators on top of their cars,miles of contraptions controlling everything and a radiator the size of an eighteen wheeler ( I believe thats the American expression for a semi trailer)! The cartoon picture that conjures up is quite hilarious!!!   !!!
When I stop laughing I'll try to go over his mistakes for you all.
First he tells me I'm using pure Hydrogen(H) ,then how difficult it would be to control, then tells to look at what it says in wikipedia ( which he either did not read properly or did not understand), then about temperatures ( which he definately misunderstands). Adiabatic flame temp is not the same as temp in engine, quote"It's temperature is lower than the constant volume process because some of the energy is utilized to change the volume of the system (i.e.,generate work). Putting it simply, the temperature is REDUCED because WORK is produced."
" Also when Oxy-Hydrogen is ignited the gas mixture converts to water vapor and releases energy. " Putting it simply, the water vapor produced during the process adds to the cooling of the temperature inside the combustion chamber. Plus the fact that a vaporizer is also used in our system which also adds cooling, among other things.
There is no need for any extra cooling of the engine, even with systems the same that do not use vaporizers.
Well the Wimbleton men's finals have started, so I'll catch you all later. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 1:58:40 PM | This really got me curious. Being that gas by me is now over $4.00 a gallon. Last year it was $3.00 . Now its getting very disturbing. I see no end in site, We could be paying$7.00 a gallon in a year or two.
I did look into this a little. Found the top three Water into HHO sites. You can get this item from $49.00 to the 3T Hybrid unit for only $1200.00 yikes!! I saw many clips on You tube about it too. I am no believer just yet. But I did go also into some science web sites and in there articles they were not dragging it in the mud at all.
It seems it might actually be possible adding Hydrogen to the intake air into the carburetor which would make the car use less gas and get more power with the Hydrogen. Hydrogen is the cleanest fuel on earth. This was also explained in a Green web site. If you would make the car a hybrid this way, you can get money from uncle SAM.
And I most certainly believe that the oil companies and those that make money off oil Yes even politicians. They would murder any one to stop this invention or even bribe them not to continue in there manufacturing of there product.
Imagine that water being transformed into Hydrogen with just the use of some stainless steel and a 12 volt battery. Just think how earth friendly this would be and what the outcome would be on any heating fuel even in your home!!
Ok slap me and wake me up from this dream. | |
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| Run any combustable engine on water this includes any car.
Posted: 7/6/2008 4:10:13 PM | Wow your only paying $4 a gallon for gas? I wish it was still at that price here. Up here on Vancouver Island Canada we are paying about $6 a gallon right now. Gas is sitting around $1.50 per litter. at 4 litters per gallon we are paying $2 a gallon more than you.
Now its getting very disturbing. I see no end in site, We could be paying$7.00 a gallon in a year or two.
It might be sooner than that, so its time to put skepitism aside and work together on a alternative fuel source and I believe that its hydrogen power. Even if it is a hybid in the beginning. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 10:13:24 PM | solomon999,
The combustion point of any given material is a constant. You can't cool it by making it do work. That's because combustion is the breaking of bonds of given energies and the formation of bonds in the product. It's a physical constant and taking the energy from that reaction to make it do work does not change the temperature of combustion.
You are correct that the temperature of the product gases would decrease due an increase in volume and a decrease in pressure but the heat of combustion would remain the same. You are also correct that you can get the reaction started at less than the autoignition temperature but then you'd have to pump enough energy to overcome the activation energy making your engine less efficient.
The production of water from the reaction of hydrogen and oxygen is already taken into account when the heat of combustion is measured. The heat of combustion is not only measuring the destruction of bonds but also the formation of bonds in totality. | |
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