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Posted: 7/7/2008 6:12:46 AM | Here's another mistake by zerospazz before I begin. He said look at ref wikipedia-water fulled cars. They are talking there about pure hydrogen (H) gas vehicles only, NOT Oxy- Hydrogen (HHO ) gas at all. Obviously he doesn't read what he tells others to, nor did he read what I said! I will state it again. We are using BROWNS/RHODES gas which is also known as oxy-hyrogen gas HHO. Can you read zerospazz HHO !!!!!!!!
Also, 'is too hot' mentions " pumping enough energy to overcome the activation energy making your engine less efficient. " I'm not quite sure what he means by this , but I suggest he investigates what HHO is also currently used for, and how it works. While on this question I will state again the HHO converts to water vapour. When this happens inside the engine cylinder, given the temperatures involved during combustion, the water vapor created expands very rapidly, and ofcourse increasing the cylinder pressure and therefore increasing the downward thrust on the piston therefore inceasing the work in the cylinder with less gasoline. Increasing horsepower therefore saving the amount of gasoline being used. It is also decreasing the amount of gasoline being used because the gasoline is being burned more completely as well, also adding to the extra horsepower and less fuel use.
I don't have the time to debate already proven science with people who just want argue for the sake of it, or are arguing bits and pieces of scientific principles when they are using them without the knowledge of the complete way in which they are applied in a whole system.
If you all know so much, then tell me what fuel was being used to run the internal combustion engine before gasoline ????
Anyway, for those who are REALLY interested and REALLY want to find out more, or just want to know something that most of you obviously don't, those who want to do the research that is, here are some sites to look into. They will also lead to a multitude of other sites and knowledge very worthwhile if you're interested in alternative technology and/or saving the environment.
http://www.water4gas.com/2books.htm This is one system being used around the world including Australia. On this you can find where Ozzie and others demonstrate their vehicles PUBLICLY for EVERYONE to see. I use his type of system because it uses no nasty chemicals in the electrolyser. And is least dangerous if broken in an any sort of accident, because no nasty chemicals will be splashed or sprayed around. He DEMONSTRATES his car to EVERYONE!!!!
http://www.water4gas.com/faq.htm
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk7WXYkyKA This is Ozzie's HHO electrolyser being demonstrated!
http://www.runyourcarwithwater.com/ This is another seller of the info to build these types of systems. I don't know anything about them personally, but they have some good info on their site.
And if you want to find out all about HHO gas ,other things that it is used for, and a miryad of other stuff,
http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/RhodesGas/
I hope you all have fun doing some useful learning !
P.S. The price of petrol (gasoline) in Australia is currently $1.65 plus, per litre for 95 octane, and 10 cents dearer a litre for 98 octane. 10% ethanol mix is $1.60 which is about 92 octane. Don't use it, it's false economy. You should only the highest octane fuel even if is more expensive because more miles per gal/dollar, and it's cleaner burning in the engine leaving less carbon= longer engine life.
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Posted: 7/7/2008 10:31:37 AM | Using Acetone in the tank is an old trick to gain extra miles per gallon...and it works if you mix it right. Mix it wrong...well...it WAS a nice car... 
I live as a skeptic...it saves me money. I look for PROOF before I shell out a DIME. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 3:15:14 PM | Your smokin to much weed Solomon
Here it is again, I know you can't type worth a damn so you probably cant' read well either, here is the link and the excerpt...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HHO_gas
Oxyhydrogen is often mentioned in conjunction with devices that claim to increase automotive engine efficiency or to operate a car using water as a fuel.
Many of these claims, prima facie, violate the Laws of thermodynamics.
As stated over and over again in this thread.
Go back to school mate, and try to stay out of jail selling your crap, the first one wasn't able to.
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Posted: 7/7/2008 3:28:36 PM | Of course trusting anything written on wikipedia is a fallacy in itself, unless you can get your hands on the original research papers as proof for all this, then quoting sources off the net is worthless.
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Posted: 7/7/2008 4:07:09 PM |
I dont think it said every claim.
Your right Diamond, however, for over a decade the sellers of this stuff have been able to make it work while the buyers can't. You know, I am certainly not telling anyone not to go out and buy it, go for it.
And you are also right Wolf, however most of what is stated in these particular pages is rather basic stuff along with what I have said. All of it can be verified, just use your search engine... | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 4:48:04 PM | Heres some stuff thats just a little more believable, and verifiable, even a chance to win some money if you have a good design...
http://www.nbc30.com/news/16768626/detail.html
Ask yourself why the HHO design isn't here in this contest...
http://www.progressiveautoxprize.org/
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Posted: 7/7/2008 5:40:35 PM | Another fallacy that needs cleared up by Solomon is about octane. Octane is flame inhibitor or a knock retardant. It helps prevent ignition from occuring in the combustion chamber before or after the spark plug has done its job. This is what causes pinging or detonation in your engine, when two sources of ignition occur on the compression stroke.
Best thing to do is to check your owners manual on the type of fuel to burn, but if your engine does not have any ping or detonation then it is not neccasary to burn high octane fuel. It will not improve combustion in an an engine that does not require it, it will not clean carbon or injectors or make your engine last longer. Generally it is used in higher performance engines or high compression ratio engines which some manufactures are using, so again, consult your manual or service dealer and save that cash for something better.. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 9:33:28 PM | To bigshrek (7/8/08) Another one who can't read!!!!!!! I never mentioned using acetone only HHO gas. Get it right if your going to dribble!!! Live as a sceptic all you like, it's cavemen like you that keep the multinationals in business!
To zerospazz (7/8/08) So I'm Dyslexic, what's your excuse??? And if you're going to base your life on wikipedia you'll always remain as ignorant as you are!!! I pity you! The proof is there for everyone. Go and look at Ozzie's car if you've got any guts, which I doubt. And obviously you haven't looked up the site on Rhodes gas either, so why keep showing your ignorance? I s'psose you think the world is flat too!! And even if you didn't I'd bet all the money I've got that you'd argue it was!!!! Also you state "octane is flame inhibitor or knock retardant". Since when is octane a substance???? You better tell the fire dept about your new discovery, they can use this octane substance you're talking about to inhibit the fires they fight!
Also I never said that a higher octane fuel would "clean" carbon or fuel injectors. Isaid it burns more completely leaving less carbon!!!!!!!! Seeing you brought it up, Shell Australia is putting an additive in it's petrol now which just that. That's in Aust, I don't know if they're doing it overseas. And if you say that can't be done then you are definately a liar, because there's been different types of fuel additives around for decades that does exactly that!!!!!! But dont worry mr zerowikipedia you probably wont find it in your favourite "no information" wikipedia. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 9:49:34 PM | | In last message it was meant to read " Shell Australia is putting an additive in it's petrol now which does just that." Which removes the carbon build up. They do not say by what process the carbon is removed, as intelligent people know, oil companies don't divulge any secrets. Whether they actually do or don't or whether it works or not, I don't care personally. As I stated, there are many additives around that do this. And many different processes by how the work. Would you argue about this too? | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 10:33:11 PM |
We are using BROWNS/RHODES gas which is also known as oxy-hyrogen gas HHO.
Ah, why didn't you say so in the first place? I wouldn' t have answered so politely. Yeah, Brown's Gas is a scam. Good thing you have movies of working HHO machines. I've got movie of giants and faeries. 
BTW, activation energy is the little bump of energy any reaction requires to get moving. It's basically the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Maybe you should read up on how the universe works. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 10:40:18 PM |
Of course trusting anything written on wikipedia is a fallacy in itself.
Agreed. A free encyclopedia is worth the price especially when anyone can edit it. I do but it's mostly to correct spelling and grammar. The science pages there are pretty good as there's a very active science community behind it. The crazies have tried to muck it up but it gets corrected pretty quick and the raiders get banned.
But, yeah, if you think that the stuff is suspect, just go to the library and get a current textbook on that subject. If you're right, sign up and correct it. You'll like the people you meet there.
What most of us are trying to say here is that there is no doubt that new marvels are waiting for discovery. However, many people here are trying to reinvent the wheel. Unless you have an insight that a basic assumption is wrong, you have little hope of engineering a revolutionary machine. The physical constants of most of the chemicals we're discussing have been measured as have their latent heats and reaction kinetics. You'll make no headway fighting the known stuff. However, as the Wright Brothers, Newton, etc did, if you can figure out how the old school was wrong, you're more than half the way there. The necessary step is identifying a logic flaw, not a factual one. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 11:36:38 PM | Thanks Too Hot for those wise words...
Well I guess your a little behind the times over there in Australia, we have been using cleaning agents in our gas for a very long time now. When fuel injection became neccasary for EPA standards they had to use agents to keep them clean.
We are really starting to see where your problem lies Solomon, your reading things into peoples words, bigshrek was just joking son, give him a break. You also took my octane description way off base too, I said nothing of the sort, the refining properties define octane as well as some additives.
That leads us back to that you should probably go back and really find out what HHO really is and what it can and can't do, because you got that one wrong too my friend. Your describing that like it was some kind of special gas when it is nothing more than uncombined water. You have to have a device to keep the two gases seperate, other wise when 2 hydrogen atoms meet a single oxygen atom, guess what, you've got water. H-H-O, get it? Nothing you can do about it unless you ignite the hydrogen before the oxidizer gets to it. Something that you can't do in an intake manifold. This is something I have been trying to tell you all along... | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 12:52:45 PM | SCHOOL BUSES IN CANADA INSTALL HHO GAS SYSTEMS
Hydrogen Hybrid Technologies has just recieved it's first orders to install HHO devices on the buses in district 5 in British Columbia. May 29th 2009!!!!!!!!!!!
Brown's Gas contains monatomic oxygen and hydrogen, diatomic oxygen and hydrogen, water vapor (steam) and a substance so far named "expanded water" which is a gas which is not steam, but a water vapor which electrically enhanced.
If ZS or anyone else can workout the physical, chemical and mathematical principles properties and formulae of HHO gas he will get a Nobel Prize ! Because it still eludes the top scientists and researches researching this gas ! The properties of the gas are still not fully understood. So take your "guess what you've got water.HHO get it " statement and flush it down the toilet with the rest of your total nonsense. And all the other self confessed geniuses babbling here, do some research please on this gas before babbling ignorant rubbish. If the top scientists and researches are still trying to figure it out what's the use of your senseless dribble, except to amuse your know it all know nothing small minds, or just to perhaps argue for your own immature entertainment.
I don't mind sensible debate, but argument on something you know nothing is about just completely childish.
Also I noticed no-one has been able answer any question I posed, nor bothered to look at the important site I mentioned or maybe didn't understand it. Either way, no sense or logical debate has come from the skeptics, only floored argument. Like I asked, read the info, without understanding it fully how is it possible to discuss the matter sensibly. And all your schoolbook physics also don't apply, because we have something here which is not explained by the physical laws as we know them. As are many other scientific anomalies yet to be explained. If you glue yourself to what is already known, how will you ever anything new. These people are always going to say, that isn't right because this law says that. Well what about the laws that have not been discovered or written? Will the ignorant die in ignorance? Unfortunately yes ! But those who continue to search for new discoveries, will not be disappointed. We wouldn't have the science and things today, if people said no so&so said that can't be done. The sceptics didn't invent your car you know, so take a hint from those who disagreed with the general "ignorant" consensus. You say they use cleaning agents in the fuel over there. Did you believe it because 'someone' told you like the media etc? or did you believe it because it was actually scientifically proved right before your eyes and you watched them actually put the stuff in the fuel? How do you really honestly know it's in there? Answer, you don't! You just believe like millions of others what you're told. I'm not saying it's not true, but what untruths will they have everyone believe like the millions of lies you've been led to believe already, for the sake of money! Example, anyone can obtain free electricity from the air, do you know how? But the elec company tells you you can't and you have to PAY them for it. Another lie. The bigger the profit involved, the bigger the lie. Weapons of mass destruction and nuclear weapons in Iraq ready to strike. Why, big profits to be made by many at others expense! Were running out of oil, the price goes up, blame it on OPEC etc,any excuse for fuel gouging. Oil has been able to be recycled since it was discovered. The first engines were not running on gasoline, and dont have to now. The propaganda never stops, and the people swallow it like the starving swallow food. What's that song, We're on the eve of destuction, sorry we've already passed it. There is enough coal of all types, sand in Canada filled with oil etc to make fuel for long after oil runs out. Drink the propaganda you masses, we want your last cent to be ours. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 9:46:17 PM | Hydrogen Hybrid Technologies has just recieved it's first orders to install HHO devices on the buses in district 5 in British Columbia. May 29th 2009!!!!!!!!!!!
Interesting. Let's go to the HHT website, shall we? You'll find it at http://www.hydrogenht.com/index.html
I defy to find any mention of HHO or Brown's gas there, solomon999. That company sells hydrogen injection systems, not hocus-pocus. Go take a look yourself.
You are either lying or deluded.
Did you really think you'd get away with THE BIG LIE here? Tell it often enough and loud enough and some people will believe you? Are you looking for investors here? (That's absolutely against the Terms of Use.) So, can we expect a retraction? Will you ever admit that you're wrong? Maybe I'll even take in on myself to report you and have you banned.
Grow up. If professional scientists can't figure out what something is, you don't stand a chance. This is especially true for things that don't exist.
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Posted: 7/10/2008 11:18:11 AM | itstoohot's brain is in cryogenecis like his mate zp.
The site you refer to IS really http://www.hydrogenht.com/about.html . You mustn't have read it or you are the liar! It says I quote, "The technology is based on a patiented Hydrogen Fuel Injection (HFI) system, in which hydrogen and oxygen are generated on demand via electrolysis and introduced into the combustion process. The HFI system daws electrical power,12v........and splits distilled water to produce hydrogen and oxygen and then, both gasses are then injected into the airtake of the engine"unquote. The only difference between the HFI system and others, is that theirs is injected gas, where as the others are using the vacuum of the engine to draw the gas in.
It is NOT using pure hydrogen it is using Brown's/Rhodes gas although not actually stated. Why would they, it's only common sense that Brown's/Rhodes gas is being generated and used.
HFI is a proprietory technology developed by Canadian Hydrogen Energy Company (CHEH) Which you would have found out if you actually bothered to read all the information.
http://www.chechfi.ca/ is the site to find out all about the company using this technology for years! Used on cars, trucks, city busses, ambulances, generators etc.
HHT is also testing with the largest supplier of millitary vehicles to the US government!
There is tons of informaton on the latter site regarding how long they've been producing these systems etc.
So grow up and read for a change, or go and make your own thread where all the deadheads like you can argue among yourselves about who is the biggest liar or some other subject more suitable to your lack of intelligence!!!!!!!!!
I am not looking for investors anywhere; I have only found out about these companies and sites in the last few days because I have found the ignorance or stupidity or some on this thread totally unbelievable.
I have posted adequate information her so far for the average NORMAL person to check on to prove what I'm saying is true. ANYONE who cannot comprehend the info supplied is their own fault , and I suggest you double check with ANYOTHER RELIABLE source you wish preferably with ANY university or the companies mentioned. I'm sure the supplier of US millitary vehicles ALWAYS do testing with non existent technology and companies that make it (or should that be don't make it)!!!
This Brown's/Rhodes gas is being used in industries all over the world including China, for a myriad of applications, way too many to mention here.
And IF you want to research into it like I have, or any other normal person would, you will find out the real facts and stop dribbling your trash here.
And anyone who reads this thread and DOES the research will clearly find who is telling the truth, and who is deluded.
I 'recon you thread jackers are very lonely, and certainly very misinformed or just plain stupid.
Anyone who will research this information and post some more facts here that I have not had time to, on this subject (due lack of time and lack of incentive or interest to argue with morons) for honest people to read and be properly informed, I would be extremely extremely grateful for some intelligent imput.
I'm sure Diamondincnd was after useful imput and information, not a bunch of crackpots talking absolute rubbish like some here. And I'm sure when she has looked up the info I have provided, she will certainly know who is right and who are troublemakers.
I await Diamondincnd comments gladly when she has time to look into the proper information on Brown's/Rhodes (oxyhyrogen) gas, and what it is used for.
And Diamondincnd, I hope you tell all those very silly people how silly, or ignorant they really are.
MAYBE there are some here being PAID by the oil companies to discredit this well used technology.
Remember years ago, a guy welded glass to brick or concrete, and metal to glass/concrete etc ? He was using BROWN'S/RHODES GAS (OXYHYDROGEN)!!! Maybe some are too young to remember, but I remember it being on the news very well. Don't ask me what year it was, but I clearly remember seeing it on the news.
So I'll leave you all for now to investigate the true facts for yourselves, and hope you take the time to put an inexpensive system on your own vehicle to save yourselves money, save the planet, and tell the oil moguls where to get off. Happy motoring to all, and I hope someone who puts on a system tells all on this thread how well it works, and how much fuel they are saving.
So to big oil, and to people power and information power to free people from big industry stealing their hard earned dollars. God bless the good and peace  to all.
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Posted: 7/10/2008 1:15:32 PM | RE zp 7/8/08 5.36pm. No, were not really behind here in Australia, I believe the oil companies wouldn't spend a cent more than they have to, so they didn't bother to put engine cleaning agents in over here till they realised people were buying plenty of these products from other sources, so I expect they saw the extra money they could make by claiming their fuel cleaned your engine. Therefore getting more people to buy their fuel instead of someone elses, and also the people spending the extra money on their fuel instead of buying these additives. Don't forget these people use very shrewd marketing practices, among other things.
Also, do these cleaning agents have any other benefits that you know of, besides just removing the carbon? I would interested to know.
And yes I am describing oxyhydrogen as a special gas. Read message 114 re desciption of the gas. This is not my description but a description by researches into this gas. I would never be so bold as to pretend to understand more than what the experts are still trying to understand themselves, that would plain foolishness,or stupidity. No I am only stating the the known facts that are known so far. I certainly don't know all the facts relating to the properties or physics of this gas, and anyone who knows nothing about it yet tries to simplify it into something it is not is seriously deluding themselves, and anyone else who believes such foolishness. Example, if I was say Genistein, which is a primary soy isoflavone,will interfere with the operation of the vitamin D receptor,as well as PPAR-gamma and PPAR-alpha receptors. Then someone who knows nothing about it was to say, No it doesn't. Wouldn't that be a very foolish and deluding statement by the second party. What I'm getting at is, to contradict a proven fact, when you don't know anything about it is sheer foolishness. As I said, I don't know ALL the facts about HHO, but I do know some. I know that there are certain proven facts about HHO that cannot be denied. The physics behind it I do not know. Neither do I need to know the physics behind a red hot iron poker to know it can burn me. But I would not deny the the fact that it can burn me.
So if someone has a valid point or arguement, I'm happy to listen to any facts that may be produced or put foreward, but just straight out contradiction or ridicule without any evidence put forward for the arguement is basically nonsense. Sorry to say, you're not contradicting me, you are contradicting already proven facts. And if you wish to contradict proven facts, I suggest you do it with those who do the actual scientific research; or, those who sell the welding/cutting products and the heads of the engieering departments of these companies that actually use these products and processes in their factories every day. Or if you wish, with DR.William Rhodes, Yull Brown or Todd Knudtson on the properties and uses of Common Duct Oxy-Hydrogen Gas. http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Rhodesgas I'm sure they'll be able to answer many many more questions I could ever hope to on this subject.
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Posted: 7/10/2008 4:04:22 PM | Solomon, if anyone is sane they wouldn't buy squat from you simply because of how you treat people. I think you are the typical fraudster just from the way you attack anyone that questions you on your so-called "product".
Part of the problem is that Solomon's english skills are so spurious that half his answers make no sense whatsoever, and do not relate to Science as it is known throughout the world. Maybe it's just his verb tenses and lack of skill with english...but so far the explainations have LACKED.
So until you can come up with some tangible and understandable proof, I'll be sitting over here wondering how many suckers you're going to get to buy this thingy. | |
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Posted: 7/11/2008 12:42:04 AM |
It is NOT using pure hydrogen it is using Brown's/Rhodes gas although not actually stated. Why would they, it's only common sense that Brown's/Rhodes gas is being generated and used.
Perhaps you don't know what Brown's Gas is. It's claimed to be monoatomic hydrogen and oxygen. That's not what's produced by electrolysis of water. You're thinking of oxyhydrogen. Here's your Brown's gas:
http://www.brownsgas.com/brownsgaswaterasfuel.html
So, you've been making all this fuss over already-understood oxyhydrogen? Doubt it from the "nobody understands who it works" garbage. The only reason you've found "ignorance or stupidity" here is because you're reading your own posts. Study up on physics and chemistry, then come back. | |
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Posted: 7/11/2008 10:13:54 AM | http://youtube.com/watch?v=QbRd2Fu4QK8
Solomon, just post info for people to review, avoid the egos, they like to tickle them and rile them as those who fight to negate progress and constructive discussion need and live within strife, debate and are forever spewing childish insult and trying to escalate indifference, this is what allows them to feel alive and have purpose.
Many great benefits are coming forward which have been debased or detoured from being in use due to the fact that much would radically change life/living and be the end of the oh so fake economy and all the wealth/spirit transfer systems within the mechanism that offers the globe distractions that plague mankind and nature due to egos gone wild and the continued sale of old lies and fear mongering tactics.
Just realize, people will learn on their own how to get off of the grid that enslaves them to debt as money and struggling to live to rest in peace.
There are so many fools/tools who earn a living solely because so many are ignorant but the hyper-inflation to come will reek havoc on all the useless/senseless and essentially worthless industry sectors as well as other sectors that are essential or that which is a necessity to life.
It is telling in that there are those who continue to promote the debasing of life/nature and all its essentials for sake of stuff, plastic crap that is poison to ones time/future and freedom as well as coming at a cost, it takes your time/potential away.
But in the end, it doesn't matter what/which side you are on as there are always those who just plain need to promote dogma, rhetoric and ignorance as it is what feeds them.
Many professional debaters and those who do nil but take from life and the world so as they can discuss opinions and create false purpose for matter and material while they plot to peddle crap/lies they invent within the fantasy/illusion that they ignorant call and perceive as life.
Stay away from those who do little but pretend, they are investing/wasting time to play tag and insult tennis with egos which definitely says where their mind and thoughts are, they are not for or with people but corps(e) and they, in their action, show themselves as ignorant when they resort to childish insulting and the like.
Advise, leave the shills and peons and ignorant debater wannabees to waste away & do not allow them to steal your time/energy as truly, they are an illusion unto themselves & most of the ignorant amongst them will be populating soup lines soon as people stop buying crap and stop accepting lies as truth.
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Posted: 7/11/2008 12:38:04 PM | I avoided this thread as yet another scam or nut case but reading it, I discovered it seemed to have similarities to a high school science fair project I did over three decades ago during a previous fuel crisis. The difference here is mythology being confused with the science.
The power and efficiency boost probably observed and the point behind my project concerned adding water to the combustion chamber to gain advantage of its expansion properties, not any fuel content. Water injectors were used in fighter planes in WWII for a quick power boost but it was very tricky. My project involved creating a carburator with an electronic ultrasonic chamber to atomize the water vapor and improve the fuel air mix. The results were improved efficiency and/or power while tests on borrowed gas chromatographs at a local refinery confirmed reduced pollution from lower combustion temperatures and improved mixing. I even converted an old television into an oscilloscope to display real time combustion chamber pressure. I won every award up through the state science fair except fot the one that would have sent me to national due to an exceedingly ignorant tenured professor on that particular judging committee.
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Posted: 7/11/2008 7:17:25 PM | Yes, I too have been following this thread with that very same concept in mind.
I own BMW motorcycles, in particular, a late 1970s 1000 cc model that was the last of the high- compression high -octane motors produced. BMW engineers, in their infinite wisdom, simply bored 900 cc cylinders to 1000 cc, without any other modification to the cylinder casting.
The result was a very hot-running motor, as the extra heat produced was not dissipated adequately with the existing 900 cc cooling fins and cylinder mass. Coupled with the loss of leaded, high octane petrol, these motors had a horrible detonation problem at ambient tempertures above 25 degrees C. Increasing the dwell angle and retarding the timing a few degrees helped, but not nearly enough.
After reading up on the subject, I installed a universal windshield washer kit, retrofitted to spray jets of water into the carbeurator venturi. I mounted the spray nozzles forward in the air intake tube of both carbeurators, aprox. 5 cm from the carb, , pointing towards the venturi. The water reservoir was located under the seat, and the tubing ran from it to the spray nozzles.
Unlike you, Dave, I had no regulating system, so I simply mounted a momentary push button switch on the handlebar near the throttle. When detonation occurred under load, I simply would push the button a few seconds and the washer pump would spray water through the nozzles into the cylinders. The detonation ceased and power was instantly restored, even somewhat of a boost, as you pointed out.
This also had the extra benefit of cleaning carbon deposits from the combustion chamber and spark plugs. Excessive carbon deposits would create "hot spots" that would cause detonation, similar to dieseling. After an initial period of injecting water, the occurance of detonation actually decreased, requiring less water injection to correct it.
The motor simply ran better due to squeaky clean combustion chambers and spark plugs.
I wondered if these adveritised new systems were basic concepts of this, but I believe it is more than simply atomised water. They claim to actually separate the hydrogen molecule through electrolysis, then mix it with the already-atomised petrol. If that is the case, I believe it would work. | |
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Posted: 7/12/2008 1:20:30 AM | eye8one2 .Thanks for the advice and help, I know you are right. But in the end I will have so much info posted here that all the poor fools are just going to go down in their own ignorant flames, and the people who do have intelligence will look at the info posted and find out the truth of this matter . Thankyou for your kind help, and I will gladly accept all posts by you in your efforts to rid me of these foolish barking dogmas.  | |
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Posted: 7/12/2008 2:37:38 AM | Re hozo 7 /12/ 08 Yes Dave is correct about water injection of WWII planes. It was indeed discovered by the pilots, that when flying close to the water the engines had increased power and speed. When investigated it was found that the extra water vapor entering the engine did indeed increase the power.
Re your water "injection" on the BM. Quite a unique and good idea, glad you have made some good progress using real intelligence. Actually a 'vaporizer' is used in our system which consists of a container of Rhodes Gas charged water, with a small amount of hydrogen peroxide added for extra vaporization. The gas is drawn in to the engine by vacuume so it's always available, basically 'on demand' as we call it. These can give an increase in power and considerable increase in economy by themselves, but seem to work much better for fuel injection engines as opposed to carby vehicles. We add this vaporizer to all our systems, though many others don't. I say any added economy is worth the effort of having . Our vaporizer has the Rhodes Gas flowing through it constantly and also acts as a flash back arrester incase of a misfire for any reason. Like the fumes coming out of zs' or ith's car clogging up your air intake if you were unfortunate enough to drive behind them.
Check out ozzie's site, and his car if you are able. It'll certainly open your eyes and mind to new prospects for fuel economy. | |
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| Run any combustable engine on water this includes any car.
Posted: 7/12/2008 3:01:49 AM | spazz loves quoting the wikipedia, the sum of all knowldge for the gullible or those who wish to be misinformed. I think he spends most of his spare time writing it. No wonder it's so full of misinformation.
Anyway as I said earlier, the government censors it anyway so it's fairly useless for finding out anything they wouldn't you want to know about
The Australian Liberal government (john howard's gov't) was caught red handed censoring it only last year. Maybe they're paying spazz to write in it to keep 'the people' uninformed, he's very good at refering to it's uninformation.
Who's the fraud now mate ? | |
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