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Posted: 6/30/2008 10:38:47 AM | Here we go again...
Obama is having to distance himself from General W. Clark due to Clark's remarks against McCain's military service on 'Face The Nation'. Obama is trying to wiggle out of his close association with Clark.
The entertainment keeps coming during this election. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 11:04:48 AM | | Clark is right. He's not blatantly lying about McCain's political service or even disparaging it. Earlier in the interview he called McCain a hero to "all of us in the service." He's making the simple point that military service and executive experience aren't the same thing. Because we've been saturated with this "commander-in-chief" stuff for the last 7 years, and this false notion that criticizing the President's policies equals "criticizing the troops," this dangerous blurring has occurred. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 11:11:19 AM | I agree... that Clark, imho, didn't say anything negative about McCain's service and noted that just because he was a POW should not be THE reason he is elected. And, that is a solid point. Thing is... McCain, in his response when questioned by Reporters did not take offense to Clark nor Obama... when the Reporters tried to elicit an angry response from McCain. McCain, instead, got off the Clark topic and returned to discussing specific issues pertinent to Americans... the economy, etc.
McCain even stated that Obama can't be held responsible for what someone in his camp might say.
But... close aides to Obama are saying that Obama feels he needs to distance himself from Clark now.
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Posted: 6/30/2008 11:22:56 AM | They don't call it a media circus fer nothin'........ | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 3:42:06 PM | Has anyone else noticed how Obama's speeches sound exactly like a sermon from a pulpit? The same yelling, speech inflections, eye movements, etc.
It's been in the back of my mind...then, really came home to me today watching the Obama speech today.
And, are all of the Obama speeches going to be in places with the names of 'Unity'... 'Independence'...or are those the ones that MSNBC are going to concentrate on due to the 'names'. lol
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Posted: 6/30/2008 3:45:22 PM | http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/06/obamas_whitevoter_woes_transce.html
Obama's complex white-voter woes
Posted June 30, 2008 12:54 PM
by Frank James
It's been said before but bears repeating: If white working-class voters rebuff the entreaties of Sen. Barack Obama for many of them, perhaps even most, it may have less to do with race than other matters, like the senator's relative newness on the national political scene or his lack of deep national-security experience at a time when the world seems a pretty dangerous place.
So any ultimate analysis that says race was strictly the reason such voters didn't vote for him will be inaccurate to the degree that such an analysis fails to mention other factors.
That's a point well worth remembering and it's made by Peter Brown in his Wall Street Journal Political Perceptions column.
Brown, assistant director of Quinnipiac University's Polling Institute, reminds us that Democrats haven't won a majority of the non-college educated voter since 1964. Race has certainly been a factor for some of those voters in the decades since LBJ's landslide win over Barry Goldwater. When Republicans like Richard Nixon talked of law and order and Ronald Reagan spoke of Cadillac-driving welfare queens, they used language meant to push racial buttons.
But there have been other issues too, cultural ones, that have often kept working white-voters from voting for Democratic presidential candidates:
For those voters, especially ones without college degrees, the fact that Sen. Obama is black may not be as much a disqualifier as his background as a Democrat from the Frost Belt with no national security or executive experience and a voting record judged by the nonpartisan National Journal as the Senate's most liberal during 2007.
Yet, the focus on Sen. Obama's relative weakness among the white working class has become the hot topic among many who say racial bias explains it. Of course it would be naive to believe that race is not a factor in America today. But that doesn't necessarily mean Mr. Obama's relative weakness among white voters is solely, or even mainly, due to the fact that he is black and that three quarters of voters this year will be white...
Brown goes on to make a very salient point, that because of the nation's particular history, whites and blacks more often than not view the federal government's role differently which is why most blacks wind up in the Democratic camp and so many whites wind up whites in the Republican one.
The truth is that, more than we like to admit, polls consistently show a correlation between race and ideology in American society. White voters, as a group, are more likely to favor a limited role for government here at home and a more aggressive posture overseas. In general, polls show Democrats -- and a disproportionate share of black voters -- favor a smaller, less adventurous military and a larger role for government on the domestic front.
This disconnect goes a long way toward explaining the GOP White House dominance since 1980.
So there is a racial component but it is more complicated than merely saying working- class whites don't choose to vote for Obama because he is black.
Yes, some of these voters are racists as are some higher-income, college-educated whites, some blacks, Hispanics, Asians, whatever.
But anyone who makes Obama's race the sole reason for his problems with these voters is being intellectually dishonest.
An interesting thought experiment would be to substitute Obama for the pre-Iraq War Colin Powell and to imagine Powell now running as a Republican. Would he have the same trouble attracting working-class white voters as Obama? Hard to know, but it seems like he'd probably have more success. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 3:49:35 PM | In reference to the above Post... I am really...REALLY... starting to think that the DNC stole the nomination from H. Clinton when they realized what a perfect positioning they would have with a Black guy. They could always use it for an excuse if anything negative is said about the Obama...even if it is referencing Obama's inexperience, voting record or whatever..the DNC will spin it to become a race issue.
They're doing it now with the help of the likes of MSNBC and moveon web site, etc. and will continue to do. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 4:21:42 PM | No kidding, being a "war hero" is in this case kind of a stretch as it is, but since when is the White House an entitlement program for ex-military? And it seems we have some other little issues besides Iraq...........lets assume its all good there now, isnt it time to come home or at least.......move on? All Wesley Clark is asking is: what makes those particular experiences a better President?
I've had enough "war president" BS to last a lifetime. All stocked up here.
McCain's service to the military and to government give him a good background, but I want more than that.........someone with some vision who can inspire and lead. McCain is fine if you want endless war...........I hope to God that America is about a little more than that. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 6:57:52 PM | http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=299718721719512
Obama At Twelve O'Clock Low
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Monday, June 30, 2008 4:20 PM PT
Politics: Barack Obama revives the politics of personal destruction by sending out surrogates to attack John McCain the war hero and John McCain the man. Politics as usual, Senator?
Obama talks about change and hope and masquerades as the anti-politician. But as the Rev. Jeremiah Wright noted after Obama disowned his pastor of two decades, Obama will do and say the things a politician has to do and say to win.
Judging from the Sunday performance of Gen. Wesley Clark, an Obama adviser and possible VP pick, the more things change, the more they stay the same. In an interview with CBS' normally unflappable Bob Schieffer, the former NATO commander had the brass to question McCain's military credentials while trivializing his experience as a combat pilot and prisoner of war.
"He hasn't been there and ordered the bombs to fall" as a wartime commander, Clark told Schieffer. When Schieffer noted that McCain had been shot down over Hanoi, Clark responded: "I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president."
Certainly not for Bill Clinton, whom Clark served, or for Hillary Clinton, whom Clark originally supported. Clark's comments, if any, about Hillary's not trusting Obama to pick up the White House phone at 3 a.m. are not known. He didn't question either's command experience.
When a visibly shocked Shieffer asked what Obama's command credentials were, Clark said Obama was running on the strength of his character and judgment. Oh. Considering that Clark was probably given the green light for his ad hominem attack, both are open to question.
Clark's own character, judgment and command experience are also open to question. While commanding NATO troops in defense of Muslim Kosovo and against Serbian Christians, for example, the hot-headed Clark commanded a subordinate British general to attack Russian troops that had landed without NATO permission at the airport in Kosovo's capital. President Clinton and Defense Secretary William Cohen soon removed Clark, months ahead of schedule.
We have openly questioned the character and judgment of Barack Obama on legitimate grounds, as someone who built his political career while associating with a variety of racist pastors, convicted influence peddlers and violent domestic terrorists. Does being a community organizer qualify one to organize the world community?
Obama, who has been more eager to meet with Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad than with Gen. David Petraeus, was wrong about Iraq and the surge. So was Clark. John McCain was right. Iraq's democracy grows in success and stability, and Iraq's armed forces have successfully taken the lead in security operations from Baghdad to Basra to Sadr City.
When Barack Obama was romping on the sandy beaches of Hawaii at age 6, John McCain was fighting for his country and carrying on that fight for 5 1/2 years in a North Vietnamese prison that makes Abu Ghraib look like Club Med.
Clark's personal attack echoes the more vicious attacks being unleashed in the liberal blogosphere. They accuse McCain of war crimes for bombing Hanoi, even of making propaganda for the North Vietnamese.
"A lot of people don't know . . . that McCain made a propaganda video for the enemy while he was in captivity," wrote America blog's John Aravosis. "Getting shot down, tortured and then doing propaganda for the enemy is not command experience."
On Monday, Obama officially honored McCain's status as a "genuine American hero" and distanced himself somewhat from Clark's remarks. The remarks, however, echo those of other Obama supporters.
For example, Rand Beers, who served as the top national security adviser to the 2004 Kerry campaign, said that because McCain was in an unfortunate state of "isolation" during much of the Vietnam War, he missed the domestic turmoil that took place in the U.S. and his national security experience is "sadly limited" as a result.
Obama has set up a Web site to fight the alleged smears that are made against him. If he's really a different kind of politician, we suggest he disown and condemn all the smears made on his behalf as well. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 7:07:44 PM | | The more I hear about Obama...the more I hear him speak.... the more I pray that he does not get to be the President of my Country! | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 7:39:14 PM | The obama has:
Proven not to have much if any loyalty to his long time friends and supporters by throwing them aside to achieve political points with the public....of course you have to consider his bad judgement even being involved with them in the first place.
Turned against his supporters and backers on numerous issues since since getting the nomination.
Lied about promising to use public financing for the general election.
Promoted wealth redistribution which the voters don't want.
Thinks taxes are a cure-all for the current oil crisis and ignoring the public on finding new resources and more drilling. He thinks long term suffering waiting for new technology is the answer.
Is completely off the page on the war giving life to the old saying, "snatching defeat
from the jaws of victory".
Constantly using race as a diversion to issues and fend off criticism.
Divided his party using surrogates, race, and sexism.
The obama isn't an American President...he is nothing more than an political opportunist protected by a dishonest MSM. His bad judgement and nonsense type solutions and pie in the sky rhetoric gives reason for extreme caution. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 7:43:15 PM | while the above is true im afraid his democratic predecessor set new lows for the country.
and now people seem to have low political self esteem or self respect, or expectations when it comes to demanding good things from their politicians. or at least the dems do.
so while obama is a machiavellian figure and as shrewd as they come, im afraid the american people wont be smart enough to see him for the fraud he truly is in time.
after all, he hornswoggled the democratic primary voters up to the rev wright issue came out, and knocked out a very strong and tough contender,along the way, didnt he? | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 7:55:51 PM | I'd much rather have Barack Obama in the White House than McCain--peace in the world is very important to me and God help us if McCain is elected. He is a warmonger and I am scared that he could trigger World War III. I would feel far more secure with Obama in the White House rather than McCain, regardless of what his associates have to say. HE is going to be the president, not Wesley Clark. I cherish my life and my butt too much to want a warmonger causing a war that could destroy my life, and everyone's on this planet. I have too much of a will to live to want a crazed warmonger making things even worse than they are now.
I don't give a rat's behind about Wright, Wesley Clark, or whoever else that says things that could hurt Obama. I care about OBAMA, and he's the man for the job!
GO OBAMA!! | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 7:58:45 PM | | Trivial matters = bad judgement and bad policy...LMAO | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 12:17:38 AM | He is favored amongst the people not only of this country, but the world. Need I say more.
June 30, 2008
Gallup Daily: Obama Leads McCain, 47% to 42%
Nine-day “too close to call” streak is broken
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PRINCETON, NJ -- After more than a week of Barack Obama and John McCain being tied in Gallup Poll Daily tracking, Obama now holds a statistically significant five percentage point lead in the preferences of national registered voters, 47% to 42%, slightly larger than Sunday's 46% to 42% lead for Obama
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Obama's World View
Obama Brightens World's View of U.S.
Poll: Global Publics Trust Obama Over McCain to 'Do the Right Thing' for Foreign Policy
By JENNIFER PARKER
June 12, 2008
People around the world are hoping a new president in the White House will bring positive change to US foreign policy — and more trust Sen. Barack Obama rather than Sen. John McCain to "do the right thing" in world affairs, according to an international survey of 24 countries by the Pew Research Center.
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Posted: 7/1/2008 4:00:22 AM | Once again, what Wesley Clark said is not what Obama said, dont put words in the man's mouth, and to say he somehow put him up to it is a lie, so dont lie.
And despite the condemnation of Clark, it is a proper question to ask how this mythical war hero status gives McCain authority to be President .... | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 10:13:13 AM | Obama's real patriotism problem
He sees an America in which the cup is half-empty. Is his America the same one most Americans think of as they wave flags and celebrate the Fourth of July?
By Jonah Goldberg
Barack Obama has a patriotism problem that even Monday's flag-waving trip to Independence, Mo., can't squelch. And it doesn't have anything to do with his lapel pin.
In part because liberal commentators have such a hard time grasping why patriotism should be an issue at all, and the GOP is so clumsy explaining why it's important, the debate often gets boiled down to symbols. Like so much else about Obama, his position on the lapel flag changes with the needs of the moment. After 9/11, he wore it. During the debates over the Iraq war, he stopped because he saw the flag as a sign of support for President Bush. (He started wearing it again in May.) "I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest," he added in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. "Instead, I'm going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great and, hopefully, that will be a testimony to my patriotism."
Read that line again: "What I believe will make this country great."
Not to sound too much like a Jewish mother, but some might respond, "What? It's not great now?"
This sense that America is in need of fixing in order to be a great country points to Obama's real patriotism problem. And it's not Obama's alone.
'Fundamentally good'
Definitions of patriotism proliferate, but in the American context patriotism must involve not only devotion to American texts (something that distinguishes our patriotism from European nationalism) but also an abiding belief in the inherent and enduring goodness of the American nation. We might need to change this or that policy or law, fix this or that problem, but at the end of the day the patriotic American believes that America is fundamentally good as it is.
It's the "good as it is" part that has vexed many on the left since at least the Progressive era. Marxists and other revolutionaries obviously don't believe entrepreneurial and religious America is good as it is. But even more mainstream figures have a problem distinguishing patriotic reform from reformation. Many progressives in the 1920s considered the American hinterlands a vast sea of yokels and boobs, incapable of grasping how much they needed what the activists were selling.
The Nation ran a famous series then called "These United States," in which smug emissaries from East Coast cities chronicled the "backward" attitudes of what today would be called fly-over country. One correspondent proclaimed that in "backwoods" New York (i.e. outside the Big Apple): "Resistance to change is their most sacred principle." If that was their attitude to New York, it shouldn't surprise that they felt even worse about the South. One author explained that Dixie needed nothing less than an invasion of liberal "missionaries" so that the "light of civilization" might finally be glimpsed down there. These authors simply assumed, writes intellectual historian Christopher Lasch, that " 'breaking with the past' was the precondition of cultural and political advance." Even today, writes Time's Joe Klein, "This is a chronic disease among Democrats, who tend to talk more about what's wrong with America than what's right."
Echoes of these attitudes can be found in Obama's now infamous explanation that "bitter" working-class rural voters won't embrace him because they "cling" to God, guns and bigotry. But Obama's sometimes messianic rhetoric about "remaking" America — and the explicitly revolutionary aesthetics of his campaign — also rings a bell. "I am absolutely certain," he proclaimed upon clinching the Democratic nomination, "that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal." So wait, America never provided care for the sick or good jobs for the jobless until St. Barack arrived? That doesn't sound like the country most Americans think of when they wave their flags on the Fourth of July.
Obama went on to say that he will "remake" the country. Well, what if you don't want it remade? And Michelle Obama — who believes America is "downright mean" and is proud of America for the first time because of her husband's success — insists that Barack will make you "work" for change and that he will "demand that you, too, be different." What if you don't want to work for Obama's change? What if you don't want to be "different"?
America's 'Jedi Knight'
Liberals might giggle at what to them sounds like paranoia. But if you aren't already entranced by Obama, Obamania can seem not only vaguely anti-American but also downright otherworldly. Star Wars creator George Lucas recently proclaimed that it's "reasonably obvious" Obama is a Jedi Knight. Mark Morford, a particularly loopy San Francisco Chronicle columnist, says Obama isn't really "one of us." Rather, he's a "Lightworker," the sort of being who can help us find "a new way of being on the planet." Self-help guru Deepak Chopra insists that an Obama victory would bring about "a quantum leap in American consciousness." Even NBC's Chris Matthews has been entranced by Obama's Jedi mind tricks. Obamania, he says, is "bigger than Kennedy. … This is the New Testament."
The notion that what America needs is a redeemer figure to "remake" America from scratch isn't necessarily unpatriotic. But for lots of Americans who like America the way it is, it's sometimes hard to tell when it isn't.
Jonah Goldberg, editor at large of National Review Online and author of Liberal Fascism, is a member of USA TODAY's board of contributors. | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 10:31:13 AM | Padwan,
I am a proud Christian (independent thinker). I am glad he sounds like a preacher as opposed to a politician.
Have a Blessed Day!!! | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 4:09:19 AM | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/01/AR2008070103008.html?nav=hcmodule
Obama Got Discount on Home Loan
By Joe Stephens
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, July 2, 2008; Page A03
Shortly after joining the U.S. Senate and while enjoying a surge in income, Barack Obama bought a $1.65 million restored Georgian mansion in an upscale Chicago neighborhood. To finance the purchase, he secured a $1.32 million loan from Northern Trust in Illinois.
The freshman Democratic senator received a discount. He locked in an interest rate of 5.625 percent on the 30-year fixed-rate mortgage, below the average for such loans at the time in Chicago. The loan was unusually large, known in banker lingo as a "super super jumbo." Obama paid no origination fee or discount points, as some consumers do to reduce their interest rates.
Compared with the average terms offered at the time in Chicago, Obama's rate could have saved him more than $300 per month.
Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt said the rate was adjusted to account for a competing offer from another lender and other factors. "The Obamas have since had as much as $3 million invested through Northern Trust," he said in a statement.
Modest adjustments in mortgage rates are common among financial institutions as they compete for business or develop relationships with wealthy families. But amid a national housing crisis, news of discounts offered to Sens. Christopher J. Dodd (D-Conn.), chairman of the banking committee, and Kent Conrad (D-N.D) by another lender, Countrywide Financial, has brought new scrutiny to the practice and has resulted in a preliminary Senate ethics committee inquiry into the Dodd and Conrad loans.
Within Obama's presidential campaign organization, former Fannie Mae chief executive James A. Johnson resigned abruptly as head of the vice presidential search committee after his favorable Countrywide loan became public.
Driving the recent debate is concern that public officials, knowingly or unknowingly, may receive special treatment from lenders and that the discounts could constitute gifts that are prohibited by law.
"The real question is: Were congressmen getting unique treatment that others weren't getting?" associate law professor Adam J. Levitin, a credit specialist at Georgetown University Law Center, said about the Countrywide loans. "Do they do business like that for people who are not congressmen? If they don't, that's a problem."
Under financial disclosure rules, members of Congress are not obliged to disclose debts owed to financial institutions for personal residences. Names of lenders and rates paid on mortgages sometimes can be determined by scrutinizing property transaction records. In March, in response to media questions, Obama posted on his campaign Web site records related to his house purchase.
Last week, during debate on a bill to help homeowners caught in the foreclosure crisis, some members of the Senate ethics committee proposed an amendment to require that lawmakers disclose their mortgage lenders and loan terms in annual financial forms starting next year.
In Obama's case, he received a lower rate than the average offered at the time in Chicago for similarly structured jumbo loans. He secured his final mortgage commitment on June 8, 2005, and during that week, rates on similar loans for which information is available averaged 5.93 percent, according to HSH Associates, which surveys lenders. Another survey firm, Bankrate.com, placed the average at 6 percent.
"It's certainly safe to say that this borrower did better than average," said Keith Gumbinger, an HSH vice president, noting that consumer rates vary widely. "It's a good deal."
The Obama campaign called the rate "consistent with Northern Trust policies, and it reflected the base rate set for that period discounted to address the competition for the account and other opportunities, such as personal financial services, that the relationship would bring to Northern Trust."
When the Obamas secured the loan, their income had risen dramatically. Obama assumed his Senate seat in January 2005, with an annual salary of $162,100. That same month, Random House agreed to reissue an Obama memoir, for which it originally paid $40,000, as part of a $2.27 million deal that included two future nonfiction books and a children's book.
Around the same time, the University of Chicago Hospitals promoted Michelle Obama to a vice president and more than doubled her pay, to $317,000.
The couple wanted to step up from their $415,000 condo. They chose a house with six bedrooms, four fireplaces, a four-car garage and 5 1/2 baths, including a double steam shower and a marble powder room. It had a wine cellar, a music room, a library, a solarium, beveled glass doors and a granite-floored kitchen.
The Obamas had no prior relationship with Northern Trust when they applied for the loan. They received an oral commitment on Feb. 4, 2005, and locked in the rate of 5.625 percent, the campaign said. On that date, HSH data show, the average rate in Chicago for a 30-year fixed-rate jumbo loan with no points was about 5.94 percent.
Jumbo loans are for amounts up to $650,000, but the Obamas' $1.32 million loan was so large that few comparables are available. Mortgage specialists say that many high-end buyers pay cash.
Obama's Republican opponent, Sen. John McCain, has no mortgages on properties he owns with his wife, Cindy, who is a multimillionaire.
Unlike Countrywide, where leaked internal e-mails documented a special discount program for friends of chief executive Angelo Mozilo, Northern Trust says it has no formal program to provide discounts to public officials. Loan officers may consider a borrower's occupation when establishing an interest rate, the bank said.
"A person's occupation and salary are two factors; I would expect those are two things we would take into consideration," said Northern Trust Vice President John O'Connell. "That would apply to anyone seeking to get a mortgage at Northern Trust." He added that the rates offered to Obama were "consistent with internal Northern Trust rates at that time."
"The bottom line is, this was a business proposition for us," he said. "Our business model is to service and pursue successful individuals, families and institutions."
O'Connell referred additional questions to the campaign.
Since 1990, Northern Trust employees have donated more than $739,000 to federal campaigns, including $71,000 to Obama, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.
Obama's house purchase has been a source of controversy. In 2006, the Chicago Tribune reported that on the day of the closing, the wife of Obama's longtime friend and fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko closed on an adjoining lot that had been the estate's side yard.
The Obamas bought the house for $300,000 less than the asking price of $1.95 million, while Rezko's wife, Rita, bought the neighboring lot for the full asking price of $625,000. Rita Rezko later sold a portion of the undeveloped lot to the Obamas, enlarging the senator's yard.
Tony Rezko already had been linked to a grand jury investigation involving public corruption. Last month, he was convicted of 16 counts in an influence-peddling scheme that reached the highest levels of Illinois state government. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 6:01:28 AM | The mortgage thing is old news, Nefarious, and despite hundreds of people employed in the service of trying to dig up and distort every last detail of this guy's life, theyve come up pretty short.
It's amusing to watch you folks scrape the barrel in your desperation, repeating the same stuff over and over, scraping and scraping...... amusing, but sad at the same time. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 6:46:44 AM | Americans who are concerned about who is "Barack Hussein Obama"
Have these concerns and more but to compile a list here's a summary!
Now for those who think I'm for McCain or this is a bash post your wrong on both counts....
1, Liberal activist....(Community Activist)
2, One year experience in Senate (before running for office)
3, Rev,Wright (extreeme Racist) Hates America spent 20 plus years calls him his mentor
4, Bill Ayers ...known Terrorist (after 911 says he didn't do enough while bombing his country)
5, Rezko...known slum lord (tied to corruption in Ill. Government)
6, Rev, Phleger ....radical racist and sexiest remarks (Bashing Hillary)
7, Raised around Radical Islam...(Family members in Kenya are Radical Muslims)
8, Slautes flag wears flag pin..only when it means getting votes (questionable Loyality)
9, Wife who says America is a mean country ( not very classy for a first lady)
10, Wife who says she is now proud of her country for the first time (now Obama is running for president)(world knows this now)
11, Flip flops on countless positions...
12, Weak on National Security...says he will talk to terrorist (about what?)
13, Says Iran N.Korea and so on are just little countries that pose no threat ( Really they call for death to America and Israel) have or soon to have nukes!
14, Terrorist and Jihadist want him as President...(why? because he will talk to them? or ignore what they do?)
15, His speechs are full of promise with no solutions ( no real substance, sounds good yet means nothing)
16, He speechs are degrading to Americans who are proud of their country ( he slaps the right at will and calls him self a Uniter)
17, His judgment of Characters and friends he looks up to...(Very Questionable Thugs Terrorist, Race baiters and Country haters)
18, Is anti drilling at home for oil...(which continues old policy depending on opec and gang) Beholding to to middle east.
19, Wants to raise taxs...and go after Corporate America ( which will pass the taxs onto us)
20, He is just fine with current gas prices and doesn't see a need to lower them.
21, He shows no sign now or in the past of reaching across to the other side.
22, His life long friends who mentored him ..he now throws under the bus for political gain. (will he throw his country under the bus too?)
23, People are concerned who he will appoint to his staff with all his Radical ties!
24, People don't trust what he may do and what direction he will try to take this country in.
25, Both Barack and Michelle have shown very racial and bigot back grounds, If this were a white couple...they would have been ran out of town long ago! People don't want a racist in the white house! Furthermore many in America don't want someone in the white house who berates this country and is not proud of it! It sends a bad message to the rest of the world!
These are several reasons why many in this country are looking at Barack and Michelle as not good for the country! I understand some will disagree, and some will agree, but these are things that have been written here and else where since his run for president. Whether he gets the job or not at this point the country is divided nearly in half as one poster here pointed out 47% for Obama and 42% for McCain margin of err can be be 3 to 5% so it is close, secondly we don't know who is actually being polled.
But this race for the White House ......has been portrayed as, if your racist you won't vote Barack...NOT TRUE!! I'm sure that could have a small part to play with some, but the majority of this country has moved past Racism, and could careless the color of one's skin, as much as they care of the color of their Character....I personally know several Blacks who think he nuts and others who think he would do a better job then McCain? Religeon seemed to have played a bigger role then color. I get tired of people saying how racist this country is......Look around blacks hispanics asians whites and on and on live side by side and marry each other all the time! It's not a Color Thing...It's an Issue thing!
This post is not intended to promote hate or ill will, For those who tend to use loosly the term Troll post...absolutely not! These are simply reasons why many people feel Obama may not be the right person for the job...Your more then welcome to share your reasons why he is the man for the job! It's a debate not a hate issue, I really would like to hear the views of those who feel Obama should be president! Other then the same old same old he's not Bush... I get that and Bush is not running..but on his own merits, why do you feel personally he should be president please no links just your own thoughts... | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 6:47:48 AM |
It's amusing to watch you folks scrape the barrel in your desperation, repeating the same stuff over and over, scraping and scraping...... amusing, but sad at the same time.
You can do better than that...If you gonna try to make someone look foolish? Be creative!
The mortgage thing is old news, Nefarious, and despite hundreds of people employed in the service of trying to dig up and distort every last detail of this guy's life, theyve come up pretty short.
Yeah...Here's an article about coming up short. The obama is just not hold to his commitment to the left too good is he? He's running to the right as fast as he can because he knows idea's on the left won't go over to good in a general election.
'LEFT' IN THE DUST
LIBERALS LIVID AT OBAMA'S RIGHT TURN
By CHARLES HURT Post Correspondent
Last updated: 7:15 am
July 2, 2008
WASHINGTON - Barack Obama's recent rightward lurch on key issues is causing a revolt among left-wing bloggers and activists, who had been his earliest and most ardent supporters.
"Obama's not just moving to the center for the general [election], he's practically denouncing and rejecting every progressive voice in the country," fumes Danner Kline, who blogs in Alabama for his Web site, 9Numbers.com.
Over the past several weeks, Obama has shifted from his liberal positions on gun rights, capital punishment and terrorist surveillance. And he walked away from his pledge to work within the confines of public campaign financing.
In addition, liberals lament, Obama took swipes this week at MoveOn.org and retired Gen. Wesley Clark for their fierce partisan attacks.
Just yesterday, Obama pledged support for expanding President Bush's church-based federal assistance program, which is opposed by so many on the left.
When he first attended an Obama event a year ago, Kline said he was "awed" by an inspirational speaker who wouldn't back down from his principles.
But then came Obama's rotations.
"I have been staunchly in support of Obama until the past few weeks," Kline told The Post.
While it's still hard for him to imagine voting against Obama in November, Kline is shelving his plans to volunteer for his campaign.
"The way I'm feeling now, that's not going to happen," Kline said.
Kline's discontent is being echoed across the very same liberal blogosphere that launched Obama from obscurity more than a year ago.
So much so that thousands of dissatisfied supporters have created a group on his Web site to protest his latest position on terrorist surveillance legislation, known as FISA.
Obama's waffling on the issue is so incendiary among his supporters that some 7,000 have joined, according to one of the group's organizers, making it the fourth-largest group on Obama's Web site.
Blogger Greg Sargent, at TalkingPointsMemo, said what is so "dispiriting" for liberals about the vacillation on FISA is that Obama's campaign is based on the premise that Democrats can go toe-to-toe with Republicans on national security issues.
But on this fight, Sargent said, Obama "abandoned that premise."
Blogger Matt Stoller has gone from early Obama cheerleader to scorching critic in recent weeks, writing about the "corroded corruption at the heart of moving to the center." | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 8:33:32 AM | Think you know who this man is?
This possible President of the United States?? Read Below and
Ask yourselves, is this REALLY someone we can see as the
President of our great nation!!!!
Below are a few lines from Obama's books; In his words!
From Dreams of My Father: 'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'
From Dreams of My Father : 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'
And FINALLY the Most Damming one of ALL of them!!!
From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'
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Posted: 7/2/2008 8:49:11 AM | lonelyrican, how funny, but you call these statements damning while many of us find them admirable that a black man would be so open to share the process of how he's come to terms with his identity being of mixed race.
And the "most damning of all" quote is simply that he would defend the muslims, most of whom are productive and peaceful people, from the racisim due to the very few criminals among them who are terrorists.
Different strokes, I guess, eh? | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 9:36:21 AM | | Given the movement toward war with Iran and the fact that it is now publicly known, Obama needs to take a stand against it. At every event for him people need to ask him his position and demand a straight answer. It isn't enough for him to say he doesn't want Iran to have nuclear weapons - which they don't have. He needs to address whether he supports the U.S., with Israel, initiating a war when we have seen with Iraq that it can only destabilize the region and will fail to protect our real safety interests. Don't let him duck this one, people! | |
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