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 nefarious101

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Posted: 6/3/2008 12:42:08 PM

"Racism" would be a legitimate question if Obama loses. Look what happened here in Kentucky. That's a problem America wouldn't have if it did a better job of dealing with it's racist past.

He could lose and for the most part, be for valid reasons in the minds of White voters. I say "White voters" because you are the majority. But then again, the aftermath of an Obama loss, (America's image of being racist being heightened) would be another case of it's "chickens coming home to roost".


Reality is if a person wins or loses...Perception is how and if the losers can deal with it.

Is this implying that if The obama loses the country is racist? Been working on the phone all day and am tired but am I reading this right?
 gunn357

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Posted: 6/3/2008 12:44:20 PM
that's the implication that's ALWAYS been there... unfortunately. besides there are those that ALREADY feel that way.
 nefarious101

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Posted: 6/3/2008 12:55:49 PM
There are some that feel alot of different ways...most do ok if, they deal with their feelings in a constructive way. So America should held hostage to an obama victory? If he loses then chickens come home to roost?...is that like saying trouble is on the way?...or what?
 gunn357

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Posted: 6/3/2008 1:06:01 PM
I'm not sayinmg that "trouble is on the way". I'm saying it's already here and has been for years !! Americans have just refused to deal with it. It's almost as if America HAS to elect Obama in order to shake it's "racist" label. It's unfortunate because America has only herself to blame for being put in that position. "Chickens coming home to roost".

You're right about dealing with emotions constructively. The trick is to make voters realize (those that don't already) that the bottom line is the issues that affect them. I, for one, don't want another 4 years of increasing gas prices, basica necessities costing more and my fellow Americans fighting a war we were lied to about from day 1.

Is this country still so obsessed with race that it votes against it's own best interests ? Which of the two candidates is going to focus more on domestic policy ? Which of the two candidates has the better chance of getting this country to FINALLY face up to the 2000 elephant we've been ignoring for over 200 years ?

Obama/Napolitano '08
 Montigue

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Posted: 6/3/2008 2:04:59 PM

Are you willing to enlist in the Army so my son can come home from his second, 15 month deployment?


Last I recall, Obama wants to start bringing troops (including your son) home within 6 months of taking office. I don't need to enlist in the Army for that to happen. All that's neccessary is my vote.
 TradurGurl

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Posted: 6/3/2008 2:30:08 PM
Here's a litle story to help you all understand the differences in the candidates, and the advantages of voting for Obama:


John McCain, Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama were walking down the street in D.C, when they came upon a homeless man.

John McCain gave the homeless man his business card, and told the man to come by his office and he would get him a job. Then he took a $20 bill out of his pocket and gave it to the man.

Hllary Clinton was very impressed with McCain’s actions, but soon they came upon another homeless man. She gave him directions to the Welfare Office. Then she took $20 out of McCain’s wallet, and gave the man $5 -- and kept $15 for herself for Administrative costs.

When they came upon a 3rd homeless man Obama told the man to “have hope. Change is coming!” But he did NOTHING for the man.

Do you now understand difference?
 Montigue

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Posted: 6/3/2008 2:40:46 PM
Here's a litle story to help you all understand the differences in the candidates, and the advantages of voting for Obama:


John McCain, Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama were walking down the street in D.C, when they came upon a homeless man.

John McCain gave the homeless man his business card, and told the man to come by his office and he would get him a job. Then he took a $20 bill out of his pocket and gave it to the man.

Hllary Clinton was very impressed with McCain’s actions, but soon they came upon another homeless man. She gave him directions to the Welfare Office. Then she took $20 out of McCain’s wallet, and gave the man $5 -- and kept $15 for herself for Administrative costs.

When they came upon a 3rd homeless man Obama told the man to “have hope. Change is coming!” But he did NOTHING for the man.

Do you now understand difference?


Yes. The difference is, this actually would never happen!! McCain would rather cut veterans benefits instead of hand the guy, who would likely be a Viet Nam war veteran who lost it all, a business card and a job. Why can't he make sure that he had a roof over his head first? Is he supposed to remain a homeless man while he works? WTF?!?!

That'd be a bit usual of Clinton, but she'd do a little bit more. I'll give her that.

Obama would only put the fact he was able to change someone's life for the better in his pocket. The man would have a roof over his head, some food/drink, and a job nicely organized.

Of course, the original story is fictional. I just felt like revising it slightly.
 TradurGurl

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Posted: 6/3/2008 2:49:56 PM
the guy, who would likely be a Viet Nam war veteran who lost it all, a business card and a job.


You are absolutely right! NO other parts of the story would be wrong.

But most homeless people are homeless because of substance abuse issues. Not because of being Viet Nam vets.

BTW: McCain has a VERY good voting record on Vet's benefits. If you don't believe me, you might wanna check it out prior to replying.

Clinton does have a bit of a record re: her Admin charges (see also Rose Law firm)

Obama doesn't have a record on ANYTHING except cutting expenses on the military.
 PurpleCrayon~

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Posted: 6/3/2008 2:51:25 PM

Yes. The difference is, this actually would never happen!! McCain would rather cut veterans benefits instead of hand the guy, who would likely be a Viet Nam war veteran who lost it all, a business card and a job.


See... this is how things get distorted. The bill is not about cutting Vets benefits. McCain wanted the pork cut out and the additional benefits to go according to seniority.
 trapper jon md

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Posted: 6/3/2008 2:55:57 PM
standard operating procedure for the democratic party, take an innocent sounding bill, GI ed, SCHIPS, and load it w pork, when the repubs vote it down, cry....foul!
 Montigue

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Posted: 6/3/2008 3:00:11 PM
You are absolutely right! NO other parts of the story would be wrong.

But most homeless people are homeless because of substance abuse issues. Not because of being Viet Nam vets.

BTW: McCain has a VERY good voting record on Vet's benefits. If you don't believe me, you might wanna check it out prior to replying.

Clinton does have a bit of a record re: her Admin charges (see also Rose Law firm)

Obama doesn't have a record on ANYTHING except cutting expenses on the military.


Not from what has been recently seen. I do recall quite frankly that he (McCain) did vote against allowing our soilders to get some college eduacation. Right or wrong here?

You may be somewhat right, being a veteran doesn't cause homelessness. But the thing about the Viet Nam vets is, they shouldn't be sitting out on street corners begging for $2.50. They should've been taken care of LOONG ago. They've served this country fighting a war that wasn't necessary as well. But folks like McCain put them on the backburner.
 Montigue

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Posted: 6/3/2008 3:08:00 PM

standard operating procedure for the democratic party, take an innocent sounding bill, GI ed, SCHIPS, and load it w pork, when the repubs vote it down, cry....foul!


I think that the money being spent on the Iraq war (IMO) is a pork barrel project too. However, that's irrelevant (at least to you guys).
 nicktomlinrhys

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Posted: 6/3/2008 3:19:28 PM

In Europe, for example, they absolutely adore Obama. According to a new poll in the London Telegraph, Europeans in five of the wealthiest nations support Obama over Sen. John McCain by a whopping 52 percent to 15 percent. The same poll found a majority of these same Europeans view America as a “force for evil in the world.”


News to me and I live here
To be truthful....the public doesn't care .The only coverage is the odd article in the broadsheets .Last week there was an article bemoaning how low America had fallen from the Kennedys to this trio of no hopers .In fact I have quoted the general consenus here before of our journos ...........lol...........they say the way Americans are going on you would think only a black man or a woman is capable of fixing things...as if America hadn't tried it but should..................lol..........and they said...........where in the world has a woman or a black man successfully taken over and done the business ? Not a one so thats no reason at all .They quoted those countries .

No Europeans do not hate Americans and no..........Europeans are not commies .Generally liberal. And Euros are not Eurotrash.........lol....cheek.The best and original.




You may be somewhat right, being a veteran doesn't cause homelessness. But the thing about the Viet Nam vets is, they shouldn't be sitting out on street corners begging for $2.50. They should've been taken care of LOONG ago. They've served this country fighting a war that wasn't necessary as well. But folks like McCain put them on the backburner.


Thats criminal treatment of your soldiers.A disgrace .
 TradurGurl

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Posted: 6/3/2008 3:45:27 PM
Not from what has been recently seen. I do recall quite frankly that he (McCain) did vote against allowing our soilders to get some college eduacation. Right or wrong here?


WRONG! The GI Bill -- which is pretty generous to Vets has been around a loooooooooong time. It has allowed vets to get plenty of $$$ for college, books, and even living expenses while getting a 4 year degree.

Every Vietn Nam Vet could have gotten a free college or tech schoold education that wanted it. Plenty of them did! And that is a GOOD thing!

MCCain voted against a bill givng them MORE -- not because of the bill -- but because of the Dem's pork barrell earmarks attached to it.


You may be somewhat right, being a veteran doesn't cause homelessness. But the thing about the Viet Nam vets is, they shouldn't be sitting out on street corners begging for $2.50. They should've been taken care of LOONG ago. They've served this country fighting a war that wasn't necessary as well. But folks like McCain put them on the backburner.



No, they should NOT be sitting on street corners begging for $2.50. The Federal Govt hiring preference for Vets is so high that they are virturally assured of getting any job with the gov that they may qualify for. Most especially the disabled ones. All they have to do is apply for the jobs correctly, and "say Nope to Dope".

A government job is not a bad thing -- plenty of benefits, including health insurance, up to 6 weeks vacation, 2 weeks annual accruable sick leave, 10 paid holidays, 4 or 4 1/2 day work weeks, and can retire at up to 80
 Bluesman2008

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Posted: 6/3/2008 5:14:15 PM

people are voting for obama b/c its, hip, cool and trendy. our pop culture has poisoned many minds who think we need someone "cool" in the white house.


Fortunately, that's just your opinion and it's wrong. Next?


ots of blacks are drawn to him, and he has brought in lots of new voters thru this. also a lot of people are won over by his appearance, manner, and statesmanship. he's a wonderful actor, should have been in hollywood, is handsome enough to get some leading roles.


More cheap shots from the right seasoned with sour grapes. Pathetic.


its a backlash vote against the fatcats. its a backlash vote against moneyed special interests that have controlled the country to some extent, to the detriment of the greater good.


Hmmm. There's a glimmer of insight there somewhere.


Okay, please tell me what Obama and all these people want to "change" what exactly do they want to "change". I'm sincere - please explain it. Change what?


Unless you're living in a cave, you may have noticed this country is circling the drain. Change what? You can't be serious. He has to change EVERYTHING. Just undoing everything George bush has screwed up in the last 7 1/2 years will do for starters. And if you don't like, you and Susan Sarandon can both leave.


How bout put the goal post in one place and leave it there.


You have to forgive them. They're freaking out because they're desperate. It'll pass.


see more on this board re' McCain's actual documented voting record and specific experience than I do Obama and Clinton combined. Go figure. In fact, I can't find specifics mentioned on Obama... just vague generalities. Let's hear em. Seriously.


McSame can't even remember his positions from one day to the next. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

'Nuff said.


Calm down, my Cambridge friends. I am not saying that Sen. Barack Obama hates America. But even his most ardent supporters must admit - when they aren’t fainting away at his campaign appearances - that there is a direct and disturbing correlation between hating America and loving Barack.


Same old same old ill conceived spin. Now write this down because I'll be asking questions later. LIBERALS DO NOT HATE AMERICA. Liberals hate what America has done through this current insane administration! Get it? There's a subtle difference here but if you think about it, you just might get it...maybe...maybe not. Who really cares.


In Europe, for example, they absolutely adore Obama. According to a new poll in the London Telegraph, Europeans in five of the wealthiest nations support Obama over Sen. John McCain by a whopping 52 percent to 15 percent. The same poll found a majority of these same Europeans view America as a “force for evil in the world.”


Hmmmm I wonder why. That's a great sign as far as I'm concerned. Obama will be able to put this country back where it belongs - a country to be respected instead of scorned. Thanks george bush. I think it's POSSIBLE that you've screwed up your very last enterprise. You'll have much better luck with the cattle and sagebrush on your ranch.
 PurpleCrayon~

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Posted: 6/3/2008 6:40:54 PM
MSNBC broke into McCain's speech to 'report' that Obama is the Dem. Candidate AND to compare it to the historical 'Moon Landing'. Wow!....talk about unbiased reporting.

McCain was going issue by issue... voting record, specifically, .. his versus Obama's. Obama, imho, will not hold up in debates as this race now kicks into high gear. Me thinks that is why MSNBC broke into McCain's speech...it was very very specific.

Then... MSNBC breaks in again (and cuts off one of their own - who was trying to be unbiased - ....when ...that person says how powerful the McCain speech was going)... to report that they have news that H. Clinton wants Obama to ask her to be VP so she can turn him down...then...they said...that H. Clinton would accept the VP's position. My head is going crazy....trying to keep up with the 'spin'.

Now... it's Hillary's speech on....be back later.... this is getting better and better... entertainment wise.
 Intrepidinv

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Posted: 6/3/2008 7:32:50 PM
It's almost as if America HAS to elect Obama in order to shake it's "racist" label. It's unfortunate because America has only herself to blame for being put in that position. "Chickens coming home to roost".

Wow thats a scary way to think! I don't HAVE to vote for anybody. I've never voted for a democrat for president and I won't this time and it won't have d*** thing to do with his race!

I have a feeling that the main stream media will try to induce the thought that if you don't vote for Obama your a racist. Thats a crock of s***!
 PurpleCrayon~

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Posted: 6/3/2008 7:38:46 PM

I have a feeling that the main stream media will try to induce the thought that if you don't vote for Obama your a racist. Thats a crock of s***!


Heck... I'm watching MSNBC and FOX.... and MSNBC is comparing Obama's nomination to historical standards of 'landing on the moon', etc. and yes, their tone is...if we don't vote Obama...we are UnAmerican. This is scary s h it!
 Intrepidinv

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Posted: 6/3/2008 7:54:37 PM
Its gonna get worse Jedi. We're gonna be subject to so much liberal propaganda by the media before this is over. There gonna pull out all the stops to get this extremely liberal, inexperienced, less than one term senator elected! I suggest you listen to Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity to keep your sanity!
 jack-d-ripper

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Posted: 6/3/2008 8:03:52 PM
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Playing the race card like that will not get Obama elected. I love how everyone says the working person living in Anywhere USA is a racist because they don't vote for a Harvard Lawyer wearing a Suit and Tie....... and he cannot bowl, shoot pool or drink shots......

As much all some people hated Hillary they loved her drinking Makers with a back. Her people should have put her on a horse cutting cattle......

The Branding or the Image of Obama does not fit or attract some people....... That is not a race issue.
 spitfire6844

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Posted: 6/3/2008 8:05:46 PM

John McCain has so much more experience in world affairs, the military, the government, etc. Obama has none of this.


McCain has a lot of good qualities. He's worth strong consideration for President. However, McCain has had trouble defining some of his positions over the years: on taxes; on immigration/border issues; and on abortion/right-to-life issues. He's seen as an unpredictable maverick who doesn't have a natural voter-base. In addition to that, McCain may not have a Presidential temperament. He's long been known to have a really bad temper which he can't control. His colleagues think it's an issue. It would be a detriment.

He's worth consideration, but has some gaping weaknesses.
 Intrepidinv

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Posted: 6/3/2008 8:13:23 PM
At least McCain has a record to look at.

Who is OBAMA?

Kind of like - where's Waldo, isn't it?
 PurpleCrayon~

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Posted: 6/3/2008 8:13:46 PM
If McCain doesn't get in....shuddering at the thought.....I'm gonna find me a piece of land...in a hillside, load up on guns and ammo, fill the pantry, have my own power source and pray for the World.

OMG... ... just now, MSNBC is saying that the 'NASCAR' crowd might determine this race. And,...ready....for this................. that Obama will carry that crowd.

I have to flip the channel back to FOX to grab hold of Reality.
 Intrepidinv

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Posted: 6/3/2008 8:17:18 PM
MSNBC is also known as the DNC channel Jedi - don't drive yourself crazy watching that stuff. You mightest well just watch a continuous streaming commercial for Barak Obama. MSNBC has about as much credibility as the communist manifesto. Its not a news channel - its a liberal propaganda source. Don't waste your time - watch FOX!
 jack-d-ripper

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Posted: 6/3/2008 8:17:46 PM
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OMG... ... just now, MSNBC is saying that the 'NASCAR' crowd might determine this race. And,...ready....for this................. that Obama will carry that crowd.


In his Suit and Tie........

How would he look on a Cutting Horse in Suit and Tie? That way he will win the western states and Texas......
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