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Posted: 6/3/2008 4:56:06 PM | When I was on the AUPE fianace committee (1990-93)... the AUPE president
starting wage was $60,000/year not including perks. Those perks vary from president to president. Depends which ones they want to take advantage of. The cost of leaving increase was based on what Local One received.
The more years elected the higher the higher the salary. Dan (Buff) made a fabulous
salary by the time he went into the private sector. Dan was one of the few presidents,
during my time as an AUPE member, that didn't take major perks. He didn't even put
in for all of his meals, didn't get the leased vehicle. He used his own car or took the
greyhound to cut on expenses. Something you don't see the MLAS do.
TIME TO CONSIDER RUNNING FOR PUBLIC OFFICE... My last raise was 3% | |
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Posted: 6/3/2008 5:30:49 PM | I also work for the Health Region in Home care. We are currently working on an expired contract. When money was brought to the table for the 4th time, we were told flatly "NO, don't bring money to the table." Now that Jack Davies is no longer CEO, I think it will take a long time before we even have a new contract.
Our Union has been negotiating since last year and we keep getting turned down at the table. Now they will call in mediation.
The Union is thinking of the possibility of striking, but since the work I do is considered an essential service, we will not be allowed to strike.
We get absolutely no appreciation, no bonuses, no Christmas parties or anything else. We rarely get told that we do a good job, except from the workers out in the field. We are the forgotten people.
Everything that willwork4cookies said is true, yet we still go on working becausue most of us care more about the clients than the politicians do. We care!! That's why we are in these jobs.
For Ed Stelmach to give himself and his ministers a raise at this time is just a kick in the butt to most of us. All I hear from this is Ed saying 'I don't care about you minions, I only care about my pocket money.' Well I hope karma comes back and gives him a kick in the butt!! | |
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Posted: 6/3/2008 6:22:31 PM | | Pretty much everything in the Health Care system is in Negotiations right now with the announcement of the Uni-Lateral, Super Health Board coming out in Alberta. There will be major changes. Not sure all of them will be good or not, but we'll see. That's about all I can disclose. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2008 11:24:23 PM | Pfft. Any money "Steady Eddie" gives himself now is an "honorarium" compared to what he will be making after this.
I don't think anyone has any concept of the number of palms he has been greasing and shaking in Washington DC as he sells off our resources to the lowest bidder and damn the consequenses along with the rest of the "blond haired, blue eyed shieks."
What can be done? Sweet F. All for the conceivable future. Sadly, the people of the province will get the government they deserve and all of the crap that goes with the gold rush economics...runaway crime, inflation, housing market yo-yos, utility prices to cut their throats, transient populations bringing more crime, drugs, homelessness, overburdened and unmanned health care, and a government asleep at the wheel that is paying themselves extra for the privilege.
Hoo-freaking-ray. Can someone get a time machine or a youth ray for Peter Lougheed...if we must have a Conservative government in this province can we at least have the competant and compassionate conservatives with a plan from the 60's that actually built a legacy for this province instead of these flim-flam artists who want to sell us up the river?
That these goombahs in the Leg. want to hike their pay right now, given the current state of affairs in this office is truly a slap in the face to the working poor and middle class...anyone else see the headline about utility costs doubling? Oh thanks for the deregulation too by the way PC party...have a raise for that. As if. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 12:07:30 AM | Is it really worth getting worked up over? The sheep will just accept what's going on, grumble a bit and then get on with the day. This is no different that what is happening in Canadian politics. It's the Canadian way. We grumbe. We groan. We go to work, come home and have a beer. Step by step we are coming closer to a communist society and that's all there is to it. Fewer freedoms, larger divisions between the have and have-not levels of society, political fraud/theft/bribery/cheating/you fill in the blank.
Police forces (not only here, all over Canada) that have their own set of rules and are seldom accountable for their actions under the protection of the brothers in blue.
Many examples of how we are turning into the system the Soviet Union had and is struggling to recover from are there if you open your eyes. And like good little sheep, we as not only Albertans but as Canadians as well, we just keep our heads down and let it happen. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 6:37:54 AM | From an article in the Edmonton Journal:
While Epcor's Lowry and Melcor's Young each earned about $1.8 million in salary and bonuses in 2006 -- topping the list of local CEO income earners, based on a Journal survey of corporate proxy filings to date -- Calgary's biggest hitters earned several times that much.
EnCana CEO Randy Eresman, for example, earned nearly $6.4 million in salary, bonuses and stock option profits last year, while ex-EnCana chief Gwyn Morgan pocketed about $8.8 million, thanks mainly to stock option gains.
Meanwhile, Canadian Natural Resources president Steve Laut earned a cool $11.5 million, including $10 million in stock option gains; and Suncor CEO Rick George bagged a total of $10.9 million.
Shocked? Don't be. Some of Toronto's highest-profile CEOs pocketed even bigger pay packages last year.
Auto parts magnate Frank Stronach, chairman of Magna International, earned a staggering $27.7 million US, or $32 million (Cdn) last year. And that was after taking a 17 per cent pay cut -- his second annual haircut in a row.
From another Journal article, re: Epcor revenues:
Earnings of $53.4 million, or 99 cents a unit, came on revenue of $121.4 million. That compared with $69.4 million income, $1.39 a unit, on $142.9 million revenue for the same period last year.
So Lowry, CEO of Epcor, makes about $1.8 million a year leading a company with revenues of $120-140 million.
Stelmach, leader of the most booming economy in Canada, with revenues of about $40 BILLION, now makes $213450 a year after his raise.
I'm not saying politicians aren't overpaid, but I will say that they are a lot LESS overpaid than the CEOs of almost every company out there, as well as a good chunk of the rest of the workforce. Let's face it, Stelmach is responsible for this entire province, with a population of 3.5 million people, and he makes less than some doctors. A good friend I went to high school with is a driller on the rigs, and he made over half of what Stelmach did last year.
I bet even here on pof there are people who easily make over $100k a year (tradespeople, welders, oilpatch workers, business owners, etc)... do all of these people have half the responsibilities of the Premier of the entire province? | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 6:54:27 AM | Stelmach is a moron............ this doing such stupid acts may eventually catch up with him. If alberta ever wakes up and realizes what a farce the government is.
Personally I cant complain too loudly so far in the last 8 months my salary has increased 25% | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 8:28:26 AM |
I'm not saying politicians aren't overpaid, but I will say that they are a lot LESS overpaid than the CEOs of almost every company out there, as well as a good chunk of the rest of the workforce. Let's face it, Stelmach is responsible for this entire province, with a population of 3.5 million people, and he makes less than some doctors. A good friend I went to high school with is a driller on the rigs, and he made over half of what Stelmach did last year.
Ok, but those guys are in charge of making sure that all the departments are being looked after and make sure they have what they need to do their jobs. Can you say that all the parts of Alberta have what they need? Do we have enough Doctors and staff in hospitals? Is there enough in different social programs? Does everyone have affordable housing and adequate education? Once those sort of things are looked after, then sure, pat yourself on the back and get a raise. Don't wipe your @$$ with the current environment issues then stuff your pockets. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 7:21:22 PM | | This really burned. What made it worse for me was the comparison to teachers and nurses that was made on the news item I heard on the radio. For the record, I'm top of my salary grid after a long career as a high school teacher and college instructor and I'm earning just over a half of what they have just awarded themselves. I consider myself well paid, but the reference to teachers and nurses was ill-advised. | |
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| Stelmach's Raise?
Posted: 6/4/2008 8:58:01 PM | | Whatever happened to checks and balances in the government? the premier has no one to answer to but himself. Well, with the amount of money that he'll be earning he could care less how high the gas prices get. | |
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Joined: 4/1/2008
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| Stelmach's Raise?
Posted: 6/4/2008 9:05:38 PM |
I'm not saying politicians aren't overpaid, but I will say that they are a lot LESS overpaid than the CEOs of almost every company out there, as well as a good chunk of the rest of the workforce. Let's face it, Stelmach is responsible for this entire province, with a population of 3.5 million people, and he makes less than some doctors
I see your point but the thing is CEO's work for the private sector, Stelmach is a public servant who was put in his office by the voting public. He's there to serve in the interest of the people.....kinda like what that american quote say " a government by the people and for the people." | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 10:14:25 PM | can alway's vote for me Mick i will except nothing in wages or benefits free of charge at the age of 29 i have set me and my family for the next generation. my ministers will take a 34% pay cut, labour laws will reform, immigration will be dealt with and i will give democratic reform back to the people. New blood will rein and bed shytters will abolish.
Those that question me i will show you how i have built my home to live off the grid using 18th century techonology using a stirling engine in combination of geothermal energy i am in process of a c&c machine shop to manufacture these engines for America. I and also know of nono battery's that will run your car 500 miles with a half hour charge. I promise you all no energy costs for the rest of your lifetime and i can do it for everyone at the cost of our heritage fund. Coal generation operating at 20% eficiency i will make 56% (stirling engine)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8gHuNe0ZCk making us even more competitive than europe. Also took business and been playing the market the last 5 years, not one bill has been passed withought my notice and politics is my major. I work for the people and strive for your love! like Einstein i have a calling people call me nuts but i can back my theory man thought einstein was nuts but how far would we have strived withought him .
What other politician would start a campain now besides me? I will aswer all and every question and listen to you the people i run for the people and by the people. now you the people all i ask is what do you want? i am all ears willing to listen. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 10:33:30 PM | | On a side note, I think Stelmach is doing a fairly decent job as Premier. Would we rather have Kevin Taft? No thanks. The timing of the announcement, could have been better. The Premier could have waited until after all the Negotiations have been finished. He could have waited until everyone else received a raise. Fact is, people lower than the Premier were being paid more than him...I say if he deserves it, than he should go for it. It takes a lot of work to be a politican, a lot of hours, a lot of over time, and very little private life. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 11:16:03 PM | and what has Ed done other than stand there and look stupid? his escapade he made trumpeting around the world preaching green oilsands will make him look worse than a donkey's behind when i release my tailing report. Herd of project stanley? well same thing happened after Ed's royalty regime, ever seen oil jump 30 cents so quick in our life time. How about the recent bill discriminating against industry's that are 100% union so him and his cronies can deregulate healthcare, police and all government workers. some ammo i need to save for last so i can hang this A-hole election time.
Thanks, vote Mick | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 7:27:30 AM |
It takes a lot of work to be a politican, a lot of hours, a lot of over time, and very little private life.
That's the life people choose when they decide to be a public servant. | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 11:45:06 AM | Stelmach has done a decent job? Really? Doing what, exactly.
That I am aware of, the only thing he's done is to promise to get rid of the health care fees, which would fulfill a campagne promise by someone else years ago, if I am not mistaken. And it was from his party. So he kept a promise made by someone else from his party years ago who had lied about that promise and its time-frame for fulfillment.
I must not be aware of things. Besides show up, what is he doing, really? | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 12:09:52 PM | Aw, C'mon people. At least you'd hafta admit that he's good for "Tim Hortons" shareholders. 
Oh, and keep in mind these "health care policy benefits/changes" in a couple years from now. 
Now Mick, though I applaud your cause, and wish this embarassment hadn't been allowed to become the biggest environmental blackmark on this great planet already, I don't think crass rants would serve anybody, and the kinda money we're talking about does have scary resources at it's disposal.
I guess in conclusion what I'm saying is that I wish you luck, but if you insist on sticking your foot into that door, you'll probably need more than just luck. | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 7:47:20 PM | Liberal Opposition Leader Kevin Taft says he’ll donate his hefty pay raise to charity
what a stand up guy | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 7:51:37 PM | I don't follow politics much at all, it's all the same to me, bla bla bla... they're all crooks to me.
But from what I've seen of Kevin Taft, I think he's a decent guy? | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 8:05:07 PM | I voted for the other guys, and my riding flipped from Conservative to Liberal by 70 votes or so. Votes count.
Don't forget the pensions. If you evern vote 'em out, cabinet members get severance and a huge pension, based on that new higher salary. | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 8:25:33 PM | The severance is worth a pretty penny no doubt, so is the pension. Either way, they certainly come out ahead.
Too bad the average working schmo can't get the same bennies. | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 9:11:35 PM | I guess I'll go against the grain and say I don't think it's a big deal. Ed runs a province, with a GDP of like 215 billion dollars. He was making around 150 grand a year..sure some was tax free but so what. In my own profession, I can make that kind of money with 15 years experience and a good CISCO certification.
We all hate what politicians make, but let's be real. If we don't pay market value, we won't get decent people. If you were to offer me the job of running Alberta for 200K a year, my answer would be no thanks. Why should I take on a "lifestyle" of running this place for a measly 200K a year ? If I'm going to put in 80 hours weeks, thanks...I'll go run RBC and pull in miillions.
U get what you pay for. Which might explain why we have Eddie. | |
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Posted: 6/6/2008 1:12:24 PM | | never mind his raise. he doesen;t care if you get a decrease by makeing companies more competitive so they can bid job's and pay less benifits to employee's. .. think about this one? | |
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Posted: 6/6/2008 2:05:49 PM | Well, my answer to that is that in the whole scheme of things..politicians are underpaid. The premier of this province was making 150 grand last year. I know a few CISCO router guys that work 50 hour weeks and pull in that kinda dough. Back in Ontario, an auto worker with some overtime might pull in that kinda money. What's a guy pulling in working in the Sands ? 100K a year for driving a monster truck ?
Yes, politicians get perks, but dude, so do people in private business. Expense accounts, etc are all part of life in business & in government. This seems to miff the working class guy sometimes, but it's the reality the modern world.
I think that being a politician would be a very difficult job. For starters, you have a completely uneducated public that "educates" itself by reading the Calgary Sun. In 2008, it's "have it your way" so everyone is about individualism, not about the collective good. Imagine being the decision maker in a scenario like that? I want the LRT on my street, your neighbor doesn't, etc, etc, etc. You've got pocket book citizens that think taxes are too high but want more services. You've got threats made against you & your family & all the while you're private life & finances are made public.
I think politicians are sleazy and dirty. But I think they're underpaid and maybe if we paid them more we'd have LESS corruption and more intelligence in public life. Would you become a politician? Should I quit my day job which pays nearly what an MLA makes to go enter that life ? No way. NOT a chance. | |
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Posted: 6/6/2008 6:12:24 PM |
I think politicians are sleazy and dirty. But I think they're underpaid and maybe if we paid them more we'd have LESS corruption and more intelligence in public life.
I highly doubt that. I think the higher pay would pull in MORE corrupt people. And over $150 grand... with the "fame" that goes along with it... I think that's enough to pull in corrupt people anyway.
It's not like this occupation is physically demanding, mentally sure, but these people don't make decisions alone! There are whole teams of people helping with the "decision making".
Politicans KNOW their life will be a fishbowl... I don't have any sympathy at all. | |
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