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| Un-moderated Obama/McCain debates: good idea or bad? and why?
Posted: 6/4/2008 10:56:54 AM | McCain has already made the invitation today - officially extended to Obama - for a 10 state Town Hall meeting debate series. Untelepromted... on the spot.... (McCain is horrid with teleprompters and very good in small groups discussing real issues spontaneously). Obama's camp said Obama will think it over...but, prefer more structured debates. (Obama does wonderful/magnetic appeal with teleprompters and stumbles when on the spot questioned).
I hope the Town Meeting series gets done. And, that they are televised! | |
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| Un-moderated Obama/McCain debates: good idea or bad? and why?
Posted: 6/4/2008 2:41:32 PM |
AP
updated 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
BATON ROUGE, La. - John McCain challenged Barack Obama to join him in 10 town hall meetings with voters before the Democratic National Convention in August. An Obama adviser was receptive to the idea and said the campaign would discuss it.
A McCain adviser first floated the idea last month. At the time, Obama said, "I think that's a great idea."
Obviously, we would have to think through the logistics on that, but to the extent that should I be the nominee, if I have the opportunity to debate substantive issues before the voters with John McCain, that's something that I am going to welcome," Obama said in Bend, Ore., in May.
You make it sound like Obama's hesitating, Jedi. He's not hesitating, give the man a moment to pause, will ya? lol | |
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| Un-moderated Obama/McCain debates: good idea or bad? and why?
Posted: 6/4/2008 2:52:23 PM |
You make it sound like Obama's hesitating, Jedi. He's not hesitating, give the man a moment to pause, will ya? lol
Sure... take all the time .... he and his supporters want. No problem. Guess we can't bring up anything about Obama without whiplash.
Oh...btw.... I was referring to his present response... last night...today... not a month ago. But, that's OK. Really it is.
There's really no 'logistics' to consider. Just do the Town-Hall circuit. Simple as that. | |
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| Un-moderated Obama/McCain debates: good idea or bad? and why?
Posted: 6/4/2008 2:56:52 PM | I know it's ok....because that article was posted today and shows quotes from today as well as last month. I never said you can't bring up anything about Obama without whiplash....but quit trying to twist everything. That only shows your fear.  | |
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| Un-moderated Obama/McCain debates: good idea or bad? and why?
Posted: 6/4/2008 2:59:05 PM | Mr. Obama is, without a doubt, a compelling orator, but Mr. McCain is a formidable debator.
On the campaign trail, with pre-written speeches, Mr. Obama will mesmerize the general public.
During debates, Mr. McCain will far outdistance Mr. Obama.
I have no party affiliation, so I have a tendency to compare their platforms on issues as opposed to the charisma of the candidate.
I have already started picking apart both their speeches last night. It seems once again, the American people will be promised everything, and given only the bare minimum.
I wish there was some way politicians could be held to their campaign promises, but that is just a pipe dream. | |
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| Un-moderated Obama/McCain debates: good idea or bad? and why?
Posted: 6/4/2008 3:07:42 PM | I think McCain made points last night when he brought forth the fact that it was his strategy (which he fought against Bush and Others) to get implemented re' the course of Iraq... from a year ago... which has greatly assisted in getting on a realistic track to help our Troops there. McCain's strategy was based on first hand experience and knowledge of Military affairs. This is one major major area he will out pace Obama on during the Town-Hall circuit.
Even the Dems today are not taking that away from McCain. Nor are they disputing the actual Congressional Voting records of McCain vs. Obama...which McCain brought up. All that is a matter of Public record and it's wise to not attempt an attack against McCain on those issues. | |
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| Un-moderated Obama/McCain debates: good idea or bad? and why?
Posted: 6/4/2008 6:02:04 PM | Un-moderated Obama/McCain debates: good idea or bad? and why?
GREAT idea !
Lincoln-Douglas anyone ? 
Head to head, I think McCain's toast - especially if he's in an unmoderated debate.
Two totally different styles, and McCain's record and associations with people like Gramm are going to be the TKO needed to see him blow a blood vessel in his forehead when that is brought up.
He has zero defense against that, and it's a critical weakness that will sink his campaign. It ties him directly to the three largest financial meltdowns in recent history directly (S&L, Enron, sub prime market) PLUS the Enron loophole (written by Enron, and introduced and passed by Gramm without debate) that is DIRECTLY responsible for higher gas prices.
That's McCain's glass jaw, watch for it to get nailed. | |
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| Un-moderated Obama/McCain debates: good idea or bad? and why?
Posted: 6/4/2008 9:46:10 PM | Its good way to ensure 2000 style election with unmoderated debates included, and bring outs flaws on each candidate more clearly. Don t think Obama and McCain will spin bs like a Clinton would. The reason Clinton lost was because of lack of princple stands on the issuse, and try to use polls to determine each stance that what cost her the nomination. Now, this will be field goal election because niether side will blow out the other.
Obama good on the stump speech, but the working peeps only want to hear concrete solutions? Concrete thinkin is hard for Obama, yet McCain is reckless at times with his mouth. Obama and McCain knows this bring out the independant voters, but the winner will be determind if diebold machines are working correctly. McCain and Obama will let the hench layperson and poltical thugs do thier real dirty work, and politcal hitjobs. Politcians can act enlightened and let the underlings do the dirty work. You can suck at debates long as you are pretty, and have good pit bull debater for VP to seal the deal. | |
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| Un-moderated Obama/McCain debates: good idea or bad? and why?
Posted: 6/4/2008 11:33:41 PM | Well.... probably not good for Obama. I just finished watching what I recorded to make sure I viewed/heard it right.
While on the campaign trail for his party's Nom. on May 18th in Oregon... Obama said quote "Iran don't pose a serious threat to us....." (just to be specific... Obama is wearing a greenish shirt,..his sleeves rolled up to just below the elbows and he is turned to his audience when he says the crux of the statement.... just being very specific before someone comes back and says... it's not an 'exact quote'... or I'm just making it up....gotta be precise with a few here...even though they don't feel the need to be).....
Then, today 17 days later, Obama, while addressing AIPAC... said quote " The danger from Iran is grave it is real and my goal will be to eliminate this threat."
Now, how will Obama eliminate this Iran threat? By talking to them?
These are the things which will become glaringly obvious and will be Obama's undoing. If I pick up on these, McCain's camp already has it stored away ... just as Obama's camp has stuff about McCain stowed away. Thing is McCain is more of an 'open book' than Obama is. | |
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| Un-moderated Obama/McCain debates: good idea or bad? and why?
Posted: 6/5/2008 3:40:43 AM | | I'm sure we can find the videos of McCain saying that the surge is working....misjudging the number of troops over there by hundreds of thousands.....etc etc. Let's just wait and see what happens...and try to keep an open mind before these town halls begin. Let's give them a clean slate to start them with. | |
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| Un-moderated Obama/McCain debates: good idea or bad? and why?
Posted: 6/5/2008 7:22:14 AM | I think it's great that Obama countered McCain by saying he will debate Lincoln-Douglas style!
The first person gets 1 hour on the floor
The second person gets 1 1/2 hours in response
The first person gets 1/2 hour in response to the second person
Obama is a great speaker! He will wipe up McCain. | |
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| Un-moderated Obama/McCain debates: good idea or bad? and why?
Posted: 6/5/2008 8:20:27 AM | Good point Montique.
When McCain starts into an assault on Obama's character or worthiness, and starts tauting his own "experience", it'll be fun to watch as people begin to see his internal anger let loose.
McCain doens't have a platform except to run on the coattails of Bush/Cheney.
And as has been said before, the 'hate' that McCain voices may ring the Church bells for all the black hater in this Country (<<<< such a poetic pun, intended, no doubt), but those few million haters are just going to have to join together and have tantrums in the streets.
Our new mission will be to keep Obama alive so the Repuke-lican's can't off him. You KNOW they will do everything in their power to assasinate him. | |
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| Un-moderated Obama/McCain debates: good idea or bad? and why?
Posted: 6/5/2008 9:04:59 AM | The first person gets 1 hour on the floor
The second person gets 1 1/2 hours in response
The first person gets 1/2 hour in response to the second person
That sounds too good to be true. The leadership of a nation should not be reduced to soundbites and one-liners. But this format may tax the infamously short American attention span.
I saw a debate sort of following this format between Salt Lake City Mayor Rocky Anderson and Sean Hannity over the justification of the Iraq invasion. It was good. | |
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| Un-moderated Obama/McCain debates: good idea or bad? and why?
Posted: 6/5/2008 9:49:05 AM | Obama wants the 'prepared speech' format because he does better in those versus a close setting of questions/replies by the actual people a potential President serves. Obama is a great orator.
McCain wants the Town-Hall type of debates because he knows it is his strength versus the prepared teleprompter speeches. McCain is a great 'question/answer' person.
McCain extended the invitation... it's up to Obama to accept of not. Simple as that.
EDIT:
MG,
Only time will tell as to which one of the men will get their platforms out to the public the best... I just want to see the Town-Hall debates take place. | |
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| Un-moderated Obama/McCain debates: good idea or bad? and why?
Posted: 6/5/2008 10:07:31 AM |
McCain is a great 'question/answer' person.
Not from those Ron Paul - McCain exchanges I've studied during the Republican debates.
That contrast is going to be even greater with Obama.
Remember, many people that heard the JFK-Nixon debate on radio thought Nixon won it...... | |
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| Un-moderated Obama/McCain debates: good idea or bad? and why?
Posted: 6/5/2008 10:16:37 AM | The JFK-Nixon debates were before news shows had to generate their own revenue. My fear is that time will be wasted on this sort of tabloid pap:
"Senator McCain, how do you feel about people saying you're too old to be president?"
"Senator Obama, why do you now wear a flag pin after saying you wouldn't wear one?" | |
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| Un-moderated Obama/McCain debates: good idea or bad? and why?
Posted: 6/5/2008 10:23:10 AM | I'm hearing if they take place, the Cable Networks would do the coverage... Not the main Networks. I know I'll be watching.
And, thing is... if the people take it to those formats of age and flag pins, I want to see that too because that tells me what the average everyday Citizen might actually feel is important and if that is the case, so be it. | |
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| Un-moderated Obama/McCain debates: good idea or bad? and why?
Posted: 6/5/2008 10:32:07 AM | I don't see how cable news is a big improvement. If they really wanted to pander to the average citizenry, they would make a reality TV show called "American President" comprising a series of fun and exciting challenges like "The 3am Phone Call!"
I can hear it now: "Which one has what it takes to be the next... American President?!!" | |
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| Un-moderated Obama/McCain debates: good idea or bad? and why?
Posted: 6/5/2008 11:55:03 AM | | Well since this contest is not for "Prom King" which I do think Obama already won the title for, I think that this idea for town hall meeting debates is a great idea. I for one would really like to see something besides "the show" from both candidates. Here's hoping it really happens! | |
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| Un-moderated Obama/McCain debates: good idea or bad? and why?
Posted: 6/5/2008 4:58:46 PM | | The truth is candidate can be terrible with debates and still win the presidency because its the politcal hitman, triangulation people, spin machines that win elections. Kerry slaughted Bush on debates and Cheny played mop up role over Bushs lack of retorical skills. McCain just needs to bring up Iran, Isreal over and over, and Obama will blurt something crazy out. Remember this, McCain oppostion to farm subdies is big no, no in upper midwest, and will cost him IA, MN, WI. McCain has a short fuse lol, but that wont matter since Obama cant the working class cred. Obama idea of carbon taxes will not endear him the to the coal industries of the industrail heartland. Obama will win 20 to 25 states, and the election will hinge on New Mexico, Colorado, Texas, Ohio. McCain could take PA, MI this election. Still, belive the winner will have 280 to 290 electoral votes it wont be blowout be similar to 2004 or 2000 election. | |
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