| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 6/11/2008 8:31:22 PM |
I realize it's a combination of enviroment, mental illnes, anger at women, or other factors.
To be sure OP, there are many females, albeit not as many as males, who murder people outside their family such as Genene Jones, Dorothea Puente, Martha Beck, Charlene Williams, Aileen Wuornos etc.
Although often used interchangeably, there is a distinct difference between the sociopath, psychopath and psychotic.
Viewed as a continuum when the non-violent but manipulative sociopath exerts violent action on another person to cause physical harm without remorse does that person become classified as a psychopath. When said person is deemed incapable of having any objective or subjective awareness of his/her behavior does said person become classified as psychotic. By DSM-IV definition a psychopath is also a sociopath but a sociopath need not be a psychopath or psychotic.
Pundits of serial killers tend to focus on describing the environmental, situational and personal attributes of the serial killer. Problem is, the attribute set often looks like a "normal" person. Many people slap, kick, punch, swear in a fit of rage. But these behaviors alone do not necessarily indicate an intent to commit murder, notwithstanding the serial or mass murderer.
I would argue that serial, mass or single person murderers are driven by neurocognitive deficits rather than environmental factors. The latter being the opportunity rather than the cause.
There is a sub-set of serial killers that are symptomatic of psychosis including hallucinations, paranoid delusions, illogical thinking, thought disorder, lack of insight into his/her behavior(s). In legal terms "diminished capacity" or incapable of distinguishing between right and wrong at the time of the offense. This is a neurocognitive deficit.
Another sub-set of murderers suffer from neurocognitive or brain based emotional disorders.
Of the research that exists, it is known that murderers tend to make less consistent choices and focus on immediate outcomes. This is consistent with orbitofrontal cortex damage.
Raine (2002) studied violent criminals and noticed prefrontal cortex deficits. He found
reduced prefrontal glucose metabolism in murderers compared to normal subjects.
Dollan & Fullam, (2005) studied extreme violent offenders and found that as a group, they have impaired memory for emotional events.
The center of the emotions is in the periaqueductal gray ("Central Grey") surrounding the cerebral aqueduct of the midbrain. The central gray is under inhibition from the medial hypothalamus which receives input from the central nucleus of the amygdala in turn receiving signals from the orbitofrontal cortex (OFC). Electrical stimulation of the amygdala can produce fear, anger, rage depending on the neuro network stimulated.
The Iowa gambling task is a simulation of real life decision-making which is widely used in research of cognition and emotion. Patients with OFC dysfunction fail to realize context (bad deck) even though they know that they are losing money overall. Healthy subjects show a stress reaction to bad decks after only 10 trials, long before conscious sensation that the decks are bad.
Murderers with OFC dysfunction do not develop a physiological reaction to impending punishment. They are emotionless. Flat affect.
The Faux pas test is an exercise that also evaluates patients with OFC dysfunction. OFC patients cannot judge when something socially awkward has happened despite appearing to understand the story perfectly well. Unconsciously emotionally inhibited.
Destruction of the OFC through acquired brain injury typically leads to a pattern of disinhibited behavior. Examples include swearing excessively, hypersexuality, poor social interaction, compulsive gambling, excessive alcohol / smoking / drug use, and lack of empathy.
Disinhibited behavior by patients with some forms of frontotemporal dementia is thought to be caused by degeneration of the OFC. Patients with damage to the OFC tend to make impulsive decisions.
Journal of American Academy of Psychiatry and Law 36:1:74-86 (2008).
"Characteristics of Persons With Severe Mental Illness Who Have Been Incarcerated for Murder". Matejkowski, Cullen, and Solomon.
"Neurocognitive Deficits Related to Poor Decision-Making in People Behind Bars".
Paulsen. Department of Neurology, University of Iowa
"Emotion, Decision Making and the Orbitofrontal Cortex."
Bechara, A., Damasio, H., & Damasio, A. (2000). | |
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| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 6/11/2008 8:46:02 PM | Maybe someday our technology will be so advanced, we will have a means to simulate artificial intelligences in realistic artificial social environments, and apply various diet/stimulus regimes in order to study what behavioural traits result.
Someday I hope humanity finds a way to condition the human condition into a force motivated towards a higher purpose. We are all too focused on our own needs right now, and I think it's making the human super organism sloppy in it's growth.
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| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 6/11/2008 10:05:56 PM | angel..
The Sociopath Next Door" by Martha Stout, Ph.D.
"In Sheep's Clothing" by George K. Simon, Jr., Ph.D.
"Without Conscience" by Robert D. Hare, Ph.D.
All great book, two which I read as well.. (1 and 3)
Socipaths are a very special breed indeed. A socipath doesn't always kill the person who told us just how much they loved us.. (They can't love and have no empathy)
But they will kill your heart, soul and self-esteem. Leaving us with more questions then answers...
Socipaths are in fact just people who suffer from Personality Disorders. To list a few: NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) BPD (Borderline Personality Disorder) APD (Anti-social Personality Disorder).. Many with clusters as well..
I assume you were regrettably unlucky enough to ran into one.. I can empathize having lived with one for many years... | |
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| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 6/11/2008 10:31:11 PM | Just to add some information on “gray matter” antidote. After John Wayne Casey was executed. His brain was study and found to be normal.. Normal being that no damage to the brain could be found... Whatever prompted Casey to kill came from some were from this cogitate thinking of course but it wasn’t due to any known orbitofrontal cortex damage.
The orbitofrontal cortex (OFC) It is defined as the part of the prefrontal cortex that receives projections from the magnocellular, medial, nucleus of the mediodorsal Considerable individual variability has been found in the OFC of both humans and non-human primates. | |
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| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 6/11/2008 10:35:22 PM | Singleperson2008,
I started life being born by one. Spared in that my father raised us (unheard of at that time that a father would have full custody). Married the next one whom I met when young, dumb and stupid at 18. My last and final encounter was through this site and then is when I realized it behooved me to study more than just the serial killers and pedophiles we recognize as such.
But they will kill your heart, soul and self-esteem.
They think they do and they believe they have when you leave. That you are still here to even post says volumes that the one you lived with for several years never consumed your soul or your heart. Your self-esteem is bruised, yet not diminished. 
As for having more questions after such experiences? The only questions these vampires leave me with is learning like a sponge how to recognize them at the first hello. Meanwhile, life is enjoyable just living it. Far better than simply enduring it.
I can't fathom what it must be like to be completely devoid of any capacity to love or feel any empathy for any person. I hope I never understand really.
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| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 6/11/2008 10:36:03 PM | Just to add some information on “gray matter” antidote. After John Wayne Casey was executed. His brain was study and found to be normal.. Normal being that no damage to the brain could be found... Whatever prompted Casey to kill came from some were from this cogitate thinking of course but it wasn’t due to any known orbitofrontal cortex damage.
Wasn't John Wayne Gacy brought up in a physically abusive and religious household.
His life starting from childhood was a recipe for disaster. But our hindsight is 20/20.
I can't fathom what it must be like to be completely devoid of any capacity to love or feel any empathy for any person. I hope I never understand really.
If you ever suffer from major depression in your life than you got a taste.
Hopefully there would be people in your life who care and understand enough to know how to help you. | |
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| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 6/11/2008 11:05:00 PM | There is a sub-set of serial killers that are symptomatic of psychosis including hallucinations, paranoid delusions, illogical thinking, thought disorder, lack of insight into his/her behavior(s). In legal terms "diminished capacity" or incapable of distinguishing between right and wrong at the time of the offense. This is a neurocognitive deficit.
Another sub-set of murderers suffer from neurocognitive or brain based emotional disorders.
Background. Cognitive impairment may be part of the endophenotype of bipolar disorder (BP), but little is known about patterns and severity of impairment in BP subgroups and their relation to depression. The same applies to deficits in emotion processing known to be present in BP.Method. To explore the relationship between depression and impairment in cognition and emotion processing and the differences between BP subgroups, we assessed 36 (25 BP I and 11 BP II) patients using a cognitive battery and a facial emotion recognition task.Results. BP patients were impaired compared to published norms on memory, naming and executive measures (Binomial Single Proportion tests) | |
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| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 6/11/2008 11:07:38 PM |
This is a neurocognitive deficit.
Objective: Substantial, albeit scattered, evidence suggests that coronary artery bypass grafting may impair cognitive function. As methods and definitions differ greatly across studies, the reported incidence of cognitive decline after coronary bypass surgery varies widely as well. The aim of the present study was to systematically review those studies on cognitive decline that are relatively comparable and meet with certain quality criteria.
Methods: Four electronic databases and the references of several abstract books and earlier reviews were used to identify relevant literature. Stringent criteria, based in part on the 1994 consensus meeting on assessment of neurobehavioral outcomes after cardiac surgery, were used to assess the studies that were found. In total, 256 different titles were found, of which 23 met with the formulated selection criteria.
Results: Twelve cohort studies and eleven intervention studies were evaluated. A pooled analysis of six highly comparable studies yielded a proportion of 22.5% (95% confidence interval, 18.7%-26.4%) of patients with a cognitive deficit (a decrease of at least 1 standard deviation in at least two of nine or ten tests) 2 months after the operation.
Conclusions: Neurocognitive dysfunction is a frequently occurring complication of coronary artery bypass grafting. The etiologic contribution of cardiopulmonary bypass to this complication will remain unclear until a randomized trial that directly compares off-pump and on-pump bypass surgery is carried out.
*Neurocognitive dysfunction after coronary artery bypass surgery: A systematic review
Diederik van Dijk, MDa, Annemieke M. A. Keizer, MSb, Jan C. Diephuis, MDa, Catelijne Durand, MSb, Liesbeth J. Vos, MSb, Ron Hijman, PhDb
"http://dictionary.reference.com/help/mwmed.html" -
neu·ro·cog·ni·tivePronunciation: "n(y)ur-O-'käg-n&t-ivFunction: adjective: of, relating to, or involving the central nervous system and cognitive abilities | |
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| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 6/11/2008 11:08:32 PM |
Just to add some information on “gray matter” antidote. After John Wayne Casey was executed. His brain was study and found to be normal.
1. It's not "Casey", it's Gacy.
2. It's not an antidote (an antidote is a substance which counteracts poisoning).
3. Dr. Helen Morrison employed pathologists rather than neurocognitive scientists.
4. Morrisons' pathology report was conducted30 years ago on dead neurons without the use of PET or MRI. She readily admits hope for scientific advances to study his brain. Those advances are here, but she has not conducted the research.
5. "What causes an individual to display psychopathic manifestations?"
Seidenwurm, Pounds, Globus, and Walk (1997), showed metabolic abnormalities within the temporal lobe of individuals with histories of extremely violent behaviors.
Positron emission tomography (PET) with fludeoxyglucose (FDG) was used in the study along with several other evaluations and tests. Ultimately, the abnormalities found by the FDG-PET were correlated with limbic abnormalities seen during electrophysiological and neuropsychiatric evaluations.
Nearly all (90%) subjects were found to have organic brain syndrome in relation to the physical abnormalities found within their brains. | |
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| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 6/11/2008 11:11:55 PM | Nearly all (90%) subjects were found to have organic brain syndrome in relation to the physical abnormalities found within their brains.
Who are you talking about???
People who kill?
People who are disturb?
Who???
Please show me were you received this information... | |
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| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 6/11/2008 11:21:27 PM |
You use a lot of word salad to tell people nothing....Something isn’t right with your posts....
You show the symptoms of a sociopath. | |
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| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 6/11/2008 11:26:06 PM | Cool...
Just what I thought!
You know what a projection is in psychotherapy? Guess what you just did is what we call a transference.
I believe you to be a NPD....
You have all the traits of one...
Have you been tested yet? | |
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| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 6/11/2008 11:36:57 PM |
As for having more questions after such experiences? The only questions these vampires leave me with is learning like a sponge how to recognize them at the first hello. Meanwhile, life is enjoyable just living it. Far better than simply enduring it.
Good for you and may I say ditto... | |
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| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 6/12/2008 1:07:20 AM |
I believe you to be a NPD....
You have all the traits of one...
Have you been tested yet?
well I want ranch dressing on my word salad what does that make me? 
as I said in laymen terms earlier in one of my posts I think there are great distinctions as to what category serial killers fall in to . Most of what has been brought up relating to sexual predators, Compared to like say some body known as the "Iceman" who was a mob enforcer who just basically enjoyed whacking people for money vs sexualy motivated anger.
any ways I don't wanna get mixed up in all the semantics..........................is anyone reading this? | |
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| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 6/12/2008 7:44:36 AM | Methinks Nosey is an english professor Most people can read Typoese well enough to determine that Singleperson was talking about Gacy.
I dunno, I find myself wishing there were more Dexter's in the world...those who enjoy killing the serial killers/child molesters. I can't say that Dexter types are bad guys. Definitely not Politically Correct. But not bad. | |
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| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 6/12/2008 10:13:51 AM |
I disagree about thwarted ambitions being the real motive. The real motive, IMO, is winning.
You basically proved thwarted ambitions is the real motive with your statement and ill explain how.
The killers need to win, stems from the constant loss and thwarted ambitions he suffered throughout life, winning is his way of making up for this.
Thwarted ambitions seems to be the catalyst...atleast from a logical perspective and i never doubt logic. | |
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| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 6/12/2008 10:24:40 AM |
Someday I hope humanity finds a way to condition the human condition into a force motivated towards a higher purpose. We are all too focused on our own needs right now, and I think it's making the human super organism sloppy in it's growth.
I truely hope you never lead a country or group of people with this statement. Socialism started this way....and it sucked...
I like having my own needs and enjoy living my life how i want to, if i were born in a society that "conditioned" me id feel like i was in a very bad horror movie. | |
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| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 6/13/2008 12:32:25 PM | Married someone "just like daddy" huh? Daughters marry their fathers...more proof..
Ah well...that's for another thread.
Currently, there are 3-4 serial killers at large in Ontario right now.
In NYC, the same number.
Lots of reasons for serial killers....as many as there are killers, in fact.
Sure...often the victim are societies "throw away" population. Not many really cares what happens to them. the trick is for the average person to NOT become one of these "disposable people". Unfortunately it is far too easy to actually become one rather than stay out of that catagory.
Most gang members are psychopaths of some sort or another. The laws have restricted society from just grabbing these fools off the streets and aiding them by drug therapy or whatever means necessary to get them back into something resembling the social "norms" of todays society.
Have a gander at "A Clockwork Orange", either the movie or the book. | |
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