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| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 7/11/2008 11:50:58 PM |
Suicide is the inability of someone to handle reality and life...also the inability to see "The Silver Lining". It is ALWAYS due to weakness & selfishness.
Wow. It's clear that you have had the good fortune to never have been in the throes of depression else you'd understand why your statement is dead wrong. I suggest you thank God or whatever you believe in that your mind has never been afflicted that way and add a prayer that it never happens. Truly, there but for the grace of God go we all.
Is there perhaps something missing in the brain chemistry that enhances these feelings??
Read Nosey's posts. There are lots of things wrong with the brains of people who commit violence against others. We weren't smart enough to realize that before and blamed all of man's bad behaviour on 'weak character'. Now we know better - that the biology and chemisty of brains influence behaviour. Get a hard enough blow to the right spot in your prefrontal cortex and you, too, will lose the inhibition that currently prevents you from committing acts of violence. All the 'willpower' in the world won't help you if that section of your brain is damaged.
We are slabs of meat that have managed (barely) to transcend our animal nature. We're collections of chemistry and physics and biology with the thinnest of veneers of socialization laid over top. In the end, socialization loses out if one of the more fundamental elements is affected. | |
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| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 7/11/2008 11:54:30 PM |
I see your following me around
If you are trying to say 'you are', then I wish you'd use the correct contraction. No, I'm not following you. Apparently we're interested in the same subjects. | |
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Posted: 7/12/2008 12:20:58 AM | Well not all serial killers are male there are some female one’s
This is a question that has pledged the minds of many over centuries.
There are a few different types;
Alter ego’s they are living in a fantasy when killing and live normal lives when not
Sociopath we often look up to these types of people they are usually in positions of power. These people from the moment they met you they already stated a mental profile in the sub couches they will often play on the things that sell to you. These make the best serial killers because they often do not have any feeling other then what is best for them but are intelligent enough to foul most people maybe all. It is still up in the air but it is believed that a person can be born this way and some can be programmed by tern of events to be this way.
There can be definite mental illness that can play a part in serial killers but for the most part mentally ill people are more likely to hurt them selves then other’s
And just like suicide most people in there life time have thought about it at one time or another, some mentally masturbate it and then put it in to play.
Don’t for get just because we like to thick we are beyond the animal king dom. we are still just animals | |
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| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 7/12/2008 3:22:47 PM | Strong Character can be used as a substitute for control. Heck, a lot of time it's the ONLY control...how many potential serial killers shut Themselves down before actually committing heinous acts? We'll probably never know. A lot of folks know a "Sgt. Tackelberry" type, that if not for the structure of LE, would likely have been the next Son of Sam. There's one in dang near EVERY precinct. How many have joined the Military so that they could "fit in" and hide in plain sight?? Where the Army & Marine Corps gives Promotions for being a "Killer"...
And I would hazard a guess that the CIA and a few other agencies have more than a few "Dexter's" on staff...you can't be sane and wear those godawful orange hawiian shirts!  Of course, the FBI guys aren't much better...they go the OTHER way and one could almost see the ramrod shoved up their arses...  Almost like Al Gore Clones
According to the FBI's UCR, homicide clearance rates are nationally around 65%. I think if more people knew that it wouldn't be so dang hard to get FUNDING! Some places, like El Paso have rates around 95%...Washington DC falls into the low brackets averaging 42-57% over the last few years. (I'd hazard a guess now that the gun bans are illegal that the rate will improve...) | |
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| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 7/12/2008 7:42:04 PM | | Sociopaths also suffer from what is known as attachment disorder.....they are unable to feel or to love, they use people for a greater gain. This disorder is formed in their early years from abuse and in my opinion maybe even in the womb. For example the woman that may have been raped and carried her child to full term only to give away....the baby never bonded with the natural mother she never sent the positive chemicals of love to child that she knew she was only going to give away.We are mamals we know instinctively who our biological mother is the adopted mother may have difficulty bonding with a child like this the child already from birth feels abandoned.....this does not happen in all adoptions obviously.... it however does make sense to me. There is a book call 'Primal Wound" that discusses this in much greater detail. | |
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Posted: 7/12/2008 8:16:03 PM |
Sociopaths also suffer from what is known as attachment disorder.....they are unable to feel or to love, they use people for a greater gain.
I think we need to be very careful in implying that attachment disorders, child abuse/neglect, etc. leads to sociopathy when it can in some cases contribute, but certainly does not result in all such children of those experiences developing into sociopaths. Abandonment issues for an adopted child is yet another area that one should not assume leads to sociopathy.
Environment certainly has it's influence, particularly when there is a genetic predisposition in place already. One must also factor in the individual personality into the equation.
Source below: Mayo Clinic
Reactive attachment disorder is broken into two types — inhibited and disinhibited. While some children have signs and symptoms of just one type, many children have both.
Inhibited type
In inhibited reactive attachment disorder, children shun relationships and attachments to virtually everyone. This may happen when a baby never has the chance to develop an attachment to any caregiver.
Signs and symptoms of the inhibited type may include:
* Resisting affection from parents or caregivers
* Avoiding eye contact
* Appearing to seek contact but then turning away
* Difficulty being comforted
* Preferring to play alone
* Avoiding physical contact
* Failing to initiate contact with others
* Appearing to be on guard or wary
* Engaging in self-soothing behavior
Disinhibited type
In disinhibited reactive attachment disorder, children form inappropriate and shallow attachments to virtually everyone, including strangers. This may happen when a baby has multiple caregivers or frequent changes in caregivers.
Signs and symptoms of the disinhibited type may include:
* Readily going to strangers, rather than showing stranger anxiety
* Seeking comfort from strangers
* Exaggerating needs for help doing tasks
* Inappropriately childish behavior
* Appearing anxious
Anyone who has ever encountered a sociopath (whether it be in a relationship, family member or co-worker, etc) would readily agree that sociopaths have zero difficulty with eye contact. Actually, they rely on it heavily to establish credibility. Theoretically, it is believed that there is a flaw in the cerebral cortex that prevents the sociopath from feeling empathy and love. They can come from the most stable of homes or the most abusive of homes. Sociopaths seek only the game and to win the game. People to them are objects.
Attachment disordered children seek approval and comfort from other sources if the nurturing is not provided in the home. Their need for nurturing that was lacking is greater than their fear of strangers. Children who are hurting emotionally do so by acting out behaviorally. Now, it is possible absent any interventions that these children will have such a tough outer shell that they appear as adults to be sociopaths, when more often than not, sociopathy is not the Axis I diagnosis at all.
Sociopaths seek only the game and to win the game. People to them are objects.
People with attachment issues do attach but don't know how to sustain their attachments appropriately. Huge trust issues and huge esteem issues. Afraid of the very nurturing they need. In adult life, fair to say that severe depression/anxiety persists and also fait to say that some may well develop into psychotics (or prone to psychotic episodes) and even sociopaths - IF the vulnerability for sociopathy was there at the onset. IMO | |
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| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 7/12/2008 11:17:24 PM | As I said in my original poste "not all adoptees". It is documented that one of the most qualifying symptoms or behaviours of sociopath is narcissism....narcissism is developed in the formative years and I believe in SOME cases in the womb. Attachment disorder can lead to sociopathic behaviour....I lived it and have read a lot including Dr. Hares book I also read Primal Wound which gave me an inside window of what an adopted baby/child feels and how they have in a lot of cases NOT ALL difficulty in attaching because already at a young age they have learned not to trust.
I don't know but would love to know the statistics of inmates of who were adopted...my guess there is a lot that suffer with this disorder.
Yes I do agree that there is often a predisposition by genetics to someones final outcome. Narcissists/Sociopaths are hard wired at birth, there is no cure for them, their brains work diffrently than mine or yours. | |
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Posted: 7/13/2008 4:00:09 AM |
Yes I do agree that there is often a predisposition by genetics to someones final outcome. Narcissists/Sociopaths are hard wired at birth, there is no cure for them, their brains work diffrently than mine or yours.
Actually, in the first 6 years of life, we are all to a degree narcissists yet as we develop, grow away from those qualities for lack of better terminology. According to the Mayo Clinic, narcissists represent roughly 1% of the population. Yet, according to published authors Dr. Hare, Dr. Simon and Dr. Stout, anti-social personality disordered people (aka sociopaths) represent roughly 4% of the population.
Narcissism can certainly occur as a co-morbid diagnosis in a sociopath, yet it is a separate diagnosis with its own features.
Again from May Clinic:
Definition
Antisocial personality disorder is a condition in which people show a pervasive disregard for the law and the rights of others. People with antisocial personality disorder may tend to lie or steal and often fail to fulfill job or parenting responsibilities. The terms "sociopath" and "psychopath" are sometimes used to describe a person with antisocial personality disorder.
Early adolescence is a critical time for the development of antisocial personality disorder. People who grow up in an abusive or neglectful environment are at higher risk, and adults who suffer from the disorder were usually showing behavioral problems before the age of 15. Antisocial personality disorder affects men three times as often as it does women and is much more prevalent in the prison population than in the general population.
Antisocial personality disorder is a chronic condition and represents one of the most difficult personality disorders to treat. However, psychotherapy and some medications may help alleviate symptoms. In many cases, the symptoms of antisocial personality disorder decrease as the person reaches middle age.
Note the difference between the description of the condition between the narcissist and the ASPD/sociopath in comparison to my previous post.
In both disorders ( as in many of the more known psychiatric conditions), there is believed to be a genetic factor or functional brain defect. Consider that the wood for the fire. Factor the individual personality as the match which ignites the fire and add child abuse/neglect as the breeze that fans the flames. However, ASPD and Narcissism CAN occur absent abuse in childhood. | |
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| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 7/13/2008 9:18:52 AM | narcissist and the sociopath....In both disorders ( as in many of the more known psychiatric conditions), there is believed to be a genetic factor or functional brain defect.
1. Without citations, I will assume this is pure conjecture.
2. That means personal opinion.
3. Have any citations that address this directly?
I'm thinking you don't. | |
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Posted: 7/13/2008 9:48:32 AM | Will this do for a start?
Antisocial Personality in Children
Twin Study Provides More Proof that Psychopathy Is Inherited
© Tami Port
Sep 22, 2007
From Antisocial DNA to Prison?, unknown illustration
Evidence is mounting in support of a genetic basis for anti-social personality disorder and psychopathic behavior.
A study of twins, published in June 2005 issue of the Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry, revealed that anti-social behavior is strongly inherited in children with psychopathic tendencies such as callousness and reduced emotional capacity.
What Is Psychopathy?
High Risk Children
“[The child] ‘does not feel guilty if he has done something wrong, he does not show feelings or emotions, and he is rarely helpful if someone is hurt,' was a teacher’s description of one of the 7-year-old subjects of this twin study. The lack of guilt and empathy portrayed captures the core emotional impairment of psychopathic individuals (Viding 2007).
Psychopathy More than APD
Diagnostic criteria for childhood and adult Antisocial Personality Disorder (APD), the clinical diagnosis most closely corresponding to psychopathy, consist primarily of observable antisocial behaviors [such as violence towards or stealing from others]. The criteria for APD diagnosis do not, however, emphasize some of the more subjective essential aspects of the Antisocial Personality [lack of remorse empathy and callousness] (Hare 1999).
Antisocial Kids, Psychopathic Adults
This twin study set out to examine the heritibility of not only antisocial behavior, but also other, less concrete antisocial traits. The importance being that identification of psychopathic traits in youth may allow early intervention, as children who exhibit antisocial behavior in childhood are at high risk for showing antisocial and criminal behavior as adults (Moffitt 2003).
Another source: Genetics and Personality Disorders
Sam Vaknin, PhD who is the author of Malignant Self Love - Narcissism Revisited and other books. Excerpts from his published paper in American Chronicals on October 15, 2006:
A review of the literature demonstrates that the genetic component in certain personality disorders (mainly the Antisocial and Schizotypal) is strong (Thapar and McGuffin, 1993). Nigg and Goldsmith found a connection in 1993 between the Schizoid and Paranoid personality disorders and schizophrenia.
The three authors of the Dimensional Assessment of Personality Pathology (Livesley, Jackson, and Schroeder) joined forces with Jang in 1993 to study whether 18 of the personality dimensions were heritable. They found that 40 to 60% of the recurrence of certain personality traits across generations can be explained by heredity: anxiousness, callousness, cognitive distortion, compulsivity, identity problems, oppositionality, rejection, restricted expression, social avoidance, stimulus seeking, and suspiciousness. Each and every one of these qualities is associated with a personality disorder. In a roundabout way, therefore, this study supports the hypothesis that personality disorders are hereditary.
This would go a long way towards explaining why in the same family, with the same set of parents and an identical emotional environment, some siblings grow to have personality disorders, while others are perfectly "normal". Surely, this indicates a genetic predisposition of some people to developing personality disorders.
and...
When we are born, we are not much more than the sum of our genes and their manifestations. Our brain - a physical object - is the residence of mental health and its disorders. Mental illness cannot be explained without resorting to the body and, especially, to the brain. And our brain cannot be contemplated without considering our genes. Thus, any explanation of our mental life that leaves out our hereditary makeup and our neurophysiology is lacking. Such lacking theories are nothing but literary narratives. | |
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| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 7/13/2008 12:15:44 PM | Merrylass, Noseyposey is narcissistic so he thinks you are focussed on following him (kiddin')
I worked at a company where one of the London office salesmen was dubiously creepy, I sensed it like a spiders 6th Sense, I shuddered near him. He snarled at me over interjecting the photocopier when he was printing, and I cut in. I wasn't intimidated and shot him a curt response, and later I raised a complaint about him to one of the directors, for his bizarre outbreak.
It turned out that much later we discovered, when he had left the company and the police were questioning us, of his whereabouts, he had a rap sheet and was considered a serial killer in Europe, he had posed as a doctor at one time. It came as no surprise, there was a look of contempt and sinister undercurrents that belied his demeanour.
One of our employees (female) had warned me on the quiet that she had raised an alarm for sexual harassment against him... so many clues...
Angelheart as usual reasons with the gracefulness of a thoroughbred... | |
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Posted: 7/13/2008 6:22:41 PM | ~OT~ sort of. Short sidebar response to the following:
3. Have any citations that address this directly?
I'm thinking you don't.
Does the requestor's own citations count as valid?
Mounting evidence suggests a biological rather than an environmental cause for psychotic and psychopathic behavior:
1. Manipulation of serotonin in the orbital prefrontal cortex (OFC) supresses aggression. (Ferris, et. al. 1997).
2. Patients with damaged OFC show irritability and angry outbursts (New et al., 1998b)
3. Lesions and tumors of the OFC results in antisocial and aggressive behavior in adulthood (Bechara et al., 2001).
4. Electrical stimulation of the OFC and amygdala has been associated with rage attacks (Blair, 2004).
5. Reduced OFC glucose levels has been associated with autonomic deficits and aggression (Raine et al., 2000).
6. Phineas Gage, nice guy railroad construction worker became aggressive and anti-social following a massive OFC damage.
In consideration of the above, what clearly has physiological/biological basis to support psychological/behavioral consequences certainly supports the logical conclusion that genetics may very well play a role in the formation of one's mainframe computer. Physiologically, biologically, chemically and electronically. While a genetic predisposition is not an absolute predictor of outcome, it certainly contributes a vulnerability that under certain conditions could well be ignited. | |
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Posted: 7/14/2008 5:46:15 AM | Just a wee bit ;)
After spending 5 years getting two degrees in CJ, and working as head of security for a HUD housing project, I was totally disgusted with our legal system and thoroughly disenchanted. Where else in the world can you put someone away for molesting an 8yr old child and they be back out after 6 years of a 20 yr sentence??
It's kind of like the New Prison problem...nobody wants a prison/jail in their neighborhood...so why not build them next door to each other?? Place new prisons next to old ones and the neighborhood issue is resolved...not to mention the guards can have interlocking fields of fire...
But the only thing one can do is work within the current system to fix it...what else ya gonna do?? Ain't like we could call Superman... | |
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Posted: 7/14/2008 8:09:11 AM |
Where else in the world can you put someone away for molesting an 8yr old child and they be back out after 6 years of a 20 yr sentence??
Legally? Nowhere but in someone's neighborhood. Although I can think of a more fitting resolution morally.
But the only thing one can do is work within the current system to fix it...what else ya gonna do?? Ain't like we could call Superman...
No, we can't call Superman. However, nothing prevents any of us from being a squeeky wheel where we are. I think far back in the thread (maybe in another thread) I referenced John Walsh. While he didn't necessarily effect changes in the legal system, he has certainly been instrumental with his voice in getting perps off the street. Even Jessie's Law (FL) - is a beginning.
So in our own small way, we can be a Super-person if we choose to. Yet, until one is personally impacted - I think it's a fair statement that most people are quite content to remain in the complacency of their own lives.
It's kind of like the New Prison problem...nobody wants a prison/jail in their neighborhood...so why not build them next door to each other?? There's a thought!
Frankly, if it came to a choice between having a prison next door or a serial killer/pedophile in the neighborhood - far better to have the prison. At least we'd know WHERE the perps were. It's not so bad with a prison nearby. I used to live right close to Lorton Prison in VA. Hey, even if one escaped - we at least had a FACE to the perp. Serial killers, etc are faceless in the neighborhood and therefore, IMO, immeasurably the greater risk.
Sad, huh, bigshrek? | |
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| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 7/14/2008 7:38:27 PM | Yeppers, it is sad. Sometimes the law works...sometimes it doesn't...but it worked nicely on Bundy!
There are roughly about 50 serial killers active per year in the US, and they account for a very small percentage of homicides, but due to the nature of their crimes they leave patterns one can at least track. And since they are human, they eventually make some sort of mistake that leads to their capture. It is odd how often those simple mistakes (Bundy's taillight) can lead to their arrests. A fingerprint here...DNA there...sooner or later leads detectives straight to the bad guy/gal. It's also amazing the amount of blind luck that occurs in the discovery of a criminal...it's like Karma has it out for them...or maybe a touch of good ole blind justice providing the luck.
I often wonder why the world is the way it is...why we humans are such a violent species. I think we all just need to follow the Jimmy Buffet method...cheezeburgers, margaritas, and then get drunk & scrog!!  Might not be the best way to live, but it's got a LOT going for it, in my view!
Plus I'm getting to old & fat for foot pursuits anymore!!  | |
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| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 7/15/2008 8:52:57 AM |
Sometimes the law works...sometimes it doesn't...but it worked nicely on Bundy!
Yes it did on Bundy. And the law seems to be catching on to the reality that serial killers are not necessarily gender-specific.
Plus I'm getting to old & fat for foot pursuits anymore!!
About time you gave up that "foot fetish" anyway!! j/k | |
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| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 7/15/2008 12:44:17 PM | Aileen Wurnos and Judy Buenoano are the most famous Florida ones, but yeah, women are definitely getting a lot more froggy...or at least a lot more noticeable...
Back in the old days women would poison people and since criminal science was so lacking back in the day, most of them never even got suspected, much less caught...great old movie on the topic called "Arsenic & Old Lace" stars Cary Grant I think...
My last foot pursuit, two young guys outran me by about 40 yards around a building...but they were lazy and tried to hide in the bushes on me...I heard them sucking wind when I came around the corner at a slow jog. Amazing how fast a taser can make someone surrender....:laugh: But I realized that I was getting old & slow...sneakyer...but still old & slow!! :laugh: If they hadn't have been lazy I'd have never caught up with 'em...thank God most crooks are lazy bastiches!! Or at least drug-addled enough to be easyer to catch!!
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Posted: 7/15/2008 1:37:37 PM |
Aileen Wurnos and Judy Buenoano are the most famous Florida ones, but yeah, women are definitely getting a lot more froggy...or at least a lot more noticeable...
Maybe just bolder or maybe the powers that be are finally recognizing that serial killing is not exclusive to men ergot stepping out of the box more. Maybe both. Now if the laws would only catch up with the female perps molesting their students - level out the sentencing. Arsenic & Old Lace - great movie and yes, Cary Grant starred in it.
~OT~ 40 yards is still within field goal range...hmmm. Seriously though, while most crooks are lazy or drug-addled - the one that isn't either of those is the one to worry about catching in a foot chase. | |
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| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 7/15/2008 5:49:05 PM | The proper response to non-inhibited armed felons is "STOP!! *BLAM BLAM BLAM* or I'll Shoot!!" At least that way everyone hears you say stop or I'll shoot...they may or may not be confused as to exactly WHEN you say it...but as we all know, Eyewitnesses are notoriously inefficient...
I love the chase...I miss it. One of my most favorite was when I saw two teenagers hauling azz past an area I was patrolling, of course figured they had been up to something so started to pursue...went around a corner and a few seconds later I heard someone running behind me in hard-soled shoes that when they came off the grass & onto the pavement went *skidskidskid*SPLAT*...which made me realize that the Holiday Inn Security Guard had just bit the dust!!! I'd know those bad shoes ANYWHERE! Anyway, after he fell, I was chasing them towards a wooden staircase that led to the beach...just as they hit the steps, I was about 20 yds behind them & shouted with Parade Ground Voice "FREEZE!!" ...they both looked behind themselves, tripped on the stairs and fell! I jogged up and had them stay seated while the Holiday Inn guy came up, pants all torn to shreds...hadda keep from laughing...then we escorted them back to the HI and waited for transport. Whoever the goofballs were that made it regulation to wear hard-soled shoes on the beach was a Moron.
Best line from that day...one of the teens asked me why I started chasing them...I said.."Anyone running that fast is either racing, or in trouble...you two looked like trouble."
I've also noticed that the ones who work best in an LE/Military environment are those that have a Hound mentality...they LOVE the chase! Maybe it's something passed down from our forefathers who hunted food and predatory animals for the safety & well-being of the Clans...somewhere, hard-wired into the brain is a code that says "Predators must be Pursued!" The downside are the ones who kind of forget to ease up once they get the suspects DOWN on the ground...just cuff 'em & stuff 'em...after that it's all paperwork.
Dang, I'm getting off topic...anyone got a case?? | |
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| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 7/15/2008 6:09:22 PM | | So was Judy..coldest woman on earth...defnite sociopath. No feelings at all...she just did whatever she thought would get her the most advantage. | |
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| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 7/16/2008 3:42:57 AM | Belle Sorenson Gunness (born as Brynhild Paulsdatter Størseth, November 11, 1859, Selbu, Norway- April 28, 1908 La Porte[1], Indiana) - one of America's most prolific known female serial killers. Her motive was believed to be money. According to Wikipedia - the remains of more than 40 people were found on her farm.
"In old Indiana, not far from LaPorte,
There once lived a woman, a home lovin' sort.
Belle wanted a husband, she wanted one bad,
She placed in the papers a lonely hearts ad.
Men came to Belle Gunness to share food and bed,
Not knowing that soon they'd be knocked in the head.
But while they were sleeping, she'd lift the door latch.
She'd kill them and plant them in her tater patch."
(From a folk song in 1938)
The movie "Method" starring Elizabeth Hurley (2004) was based on the Belle Gunness murders. | |
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| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 7/16/2008 6:41:51 AM | OP , I believe it's primarily mental illness. There are obviously other factors which create the lethal mix (eg, severe ongoing abuse and mental trauma as a child, substance use or abuse, environmental factors). There may even be, in some cases, physical pathology of some sort in a certain area of the brain. I'm not 100% sure but I'm thinking this was the case (discovered later of course) with Henry Lee Lucas.
I've read many books on this interesting topic as well, and I recall reading several times that something a few of them also have been found to have in common were moderate to severe head traumas as children, oftentimes even resulting in blackouts (ie, being "knocked unconscious" from a fall for instance). The theory was that this could have, in some of the cases, triggered a certain pathology in the brain. Of course no one knows for sure.
They preserved John Wayne Gacy's brain after he was executed here in IL, I believe. I don't know if they still have it or what, and I don't know if they discovered any visible anomalies in it (doubt it, because it probably would have been published by now).
Some people blame pornography, or just plain misogyny, for killers such as the Green River, the BTK, Ted Bundy, etc, but there has to be something much more to it than that. That is a simplistic interpretation of it, IMO.
There are after all presumably many many men using pornography on a daily basis, and probably some of them are not the biggest personal "fans" (so to speak, on an emotional kind of level) of the fairer sex. I'm sure they may pepper their regular speech with any number of gender slurs, and so on. But they wouldn't, actually they probably couldn't, abduct, strangle, rape, and decapitate a woman and then keep her head as a trophy ...for example. See how that just goes so far "above and beyond" regular porno usage and/or not liking or trusting women...
There has to be much more to it. There's a certain "lethal" combination, I believe, and (luckily for society) not very many men wind up having it mixed up in them in just the perfect recipe for a future rampage. | |
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| Serial killers and their alter motives.
Posted: 7/16/2008 7:18:35 PM | | ^^ It may have been a contributing factor in his case and others as well, but certainly there was more "fueling" him than just excessive lust and misogynistic feelings... As I said, you'd have untold numbers of male serial killers if pornography (and even a sense of dislike or distrust towards women) created them. These people are mentally ill (not criminally insane in most cases but doubtless psychopaths clinically, as well as likely having other serious mental illnesses as well). There may be actual pathology in the brain to go along with that. Combining serious mental illness and/or severe head trauma(s) as a child which led to pathology, and environmental factors such as severe abuse, substance abuse, etc, and THEN perhaps adding in even further aggravating factors such as violent pornography, and you could have the fatal combo. But there's no way I'll ever believe the porno alone is going to do it. | |
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