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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 6/4/2008 10:02:04 PM | And how is it going in south africa ?
I've read very very bad things about the transition to the marxist ANC rule.
Not the point I was making. What is the point you're making?
Edit: I've hit my 2 posts in 10 limit here, but instead of being evasive, why don't you please educate me and everyone else about your (obvious) point?
Edit #2: Lily, I was hoping for more substance in your arguments. Seriously I was... | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 6/4/2008 10:05:47 PM |
And how is it going in south africa ?
I've read very very bad things about the transition to the marxist ANC rule.
Not the point I was making. What is the point you're making
You missed the point? Did you willfully miss it? lol
I thought the implications and parallels were very very obvious.
Race is always in issue in some fashion; we have made it so through ignorance, fear, and prejudice.
Actually , it's the PC liberals who are living in ignorance ,fear and prejudice , for the more we learn about race/genetics ( as we begin to cast off ignorance ) the more we learn that the tired old liberal line on race is completely erroneous and often sinister and definately destructive to both black and white.... | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 6/4/2008 10:17:12 PM | Where were you during the South African struggle with apartheid?
Not born at that time and you? Your point?
Actually, I am curious about what you found regarding other countries and their history regarding racially based enslavement.
Race and slavery are older than The US.
Just try typing in key words. I stopped the ole cut and paste projects, if you can read this and find your way to this site, you can find your way to discovery. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 6/4/2008 10:31:36 PM | | In a couple of generations, we're all gonna be a wonderful shade of brown.......via interracial relationships. Brace yourself.......this notion may require a bit of an adjustment for you, I suspect. Whether you accept it or not, the newest generations don't see skin tone in the same way that people my age used to. They don't even get why it used to matter to us so much. Perhaps the racial hatred of the past was sinister......when the races co-exist peacefully and accept each other despite 'racial differences'....that's GOOD. Not sure I'm getting how that's destructive to any race but that could be my French Canadian, Native American Danish et.al. ethnicity getting in the way......hard to say. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 6/4/2008 10:46:40 PM |
In a couple of generations, we're all gonna be a wonderful shade of brown.......via interracial relationships. Brace yourself.......this notion may require a bit of an adjustment for you, I suspect. Whether you accept it or not, the newest generations don't see skin tone in the same way that people my age used to.
The newest generations are not completely indoctrinated .....not at all .
You can't fool mother nature!
Do you mean we will all be brown equally and globally?
That is what counts , does it not?
If so , then you are very very wrong . Why do people like to kid themselves about something this important ?... or do they speak from simple ignorance ? ... (sound familiar?)
We will not all "be a wonderful shade of brown"
If we continue on the present course in the world , whites will disappear (extinction) , that is true , but , Is that good ??!!....
With present global imigration policies , birth rates and demographics ....Africans will remain very numerous as will Oriental and Indian Asians . These races are not being required to "assimilate."
I think that all people of all races should value a wonderful shade of white (or more like "a wonderful shade of gold or beige " ) ...Whites are a very good and constructive race and they are worth saving , we should preserve diversity.
Diversity good , let's preserve it.
ps . For those who value diversity ..
Not to worry , I really do not believe that whites will just roll over and disappear , despite the wishes of ignorant "liberals"
In the end , you can't fool mother nature ! | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 6/4/2008 11:12:31 PM | The new generations are ummmm newly 'indoctrinated' and that's just one of the key reasons Obama's gonna win in '08.
You might wanna breathe into a paper bag when ya read this....the best thing that ever happened to me was an interracial marriage. Granted this was a few decades ago but I was able, as a white person, to experience racism first hand. You should see how 'indoctrinated' my two kids are.......neither are interracial, for the record but at 27 and 22 they would seriously consider you the true freak of nature for even thinking this way. I imagine you get quite a bit of that tho' huh? | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 6/4/2008 11:18:51 PM |
The new generations are ummmm newly 'indoctrinated' and that's just one of the key reasons Obama's gonna win in '08.
You might wanna breathe into a paper bag when ya read this....the best thing that ever happened to me was an interracial marriage. Granted this was a few decades ago but I was able, as a white person, to experience racism first hand. You should see how 'indoctrinated' my two kids are.......neither are interracial, for the record but at 27 and 22 they would seriously consider you the true freak of nature for even thinking this way. I imagine you get quite a bit of that tho' huh?
Funny that you were quick to mention that your kids are not interracial .
Wow !! , has thinking about reality become to be seen as freakish these days?.. I don't totally disagree with you there.
Me being called a freak of nature ? ....
Not up until very recently , lol , but whatever ... for some people , sometimes the cold harsh truth hurts. It's just too hard for them to take .
Tell me ..
Which part of my msg. 30 do you dispute ?
Or do you not dispute it ? You just no likey reality ?
If so , that's ok , stay in your dream world of the coming " wonderful shade of brown"
Reality and nature will pass you by , and it's much bigger than either of us or obama or this silly little forums thread. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 6/5/2008 12:13:09 AM | Funny how you reacted to my mentioning that my kids aren't interracial...my point was that because of the interracial step dad they are part of the 'new' generation mindset. You stumbled into that quite nicely tho'.
Your post sounds like racist dribble.....I've heard it a million times but originally in full oratory from my dad about 45 years ago or so.....he had a much more intelligent and exquisitely defended version of this however.
Reality has passed you by and your thinking is incredibly small...the nature of human connection is what is too 'big' for you to wrap your mind around. That's interesting but the rest of the world isn't waiting for you to catch up...... | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 6/5/2008 12:36:18 AM |
Funny how you reacted to my mentioning that my kids aren't interracial...my point was that because of the interracial step dad they are part of the 'new' generation mindset. You stumbled into that quite nicely tho'.
b.s.
Reality has passed you by and your thinking is incredibly small...the nature of human connection is what is too 'big' for you to wrap your mind around. That's interesting but the rest of the world isn't waiting for you to catch up......
Which part of my msg. 30 was small or negated a human connection or diverted from reality?
Is is too much to ask for you to be specific? Or is it just enough for you to be politically correct and not like the truth and for you to be abusive ?
Which part of my post 30 was not completely true?
It was I that showed how you completely diverted from reality with your " wonderful world of brown" hypothesis.
That's interesting but the rest of the world isn't waiting for you to catch up......
Actually , I hate to burst your bubble , but , other than PC ruled western (white) nations , the rest of the world is gravitating towards more nationalism year after year.
It's the way of the past and it's the way of the future , it's perfectly natural human behaviour.
It's the best way to form a cohesive , prosperous and functional society.....for all races. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 6/5/2008 1:22:46 AM | It was an inevitability that sooner or later a black man or woman was going to run for the US presidency. Since it'll be the first time, all this talk of race should be expected. Of course the subject was going to come up and frankly I'm surprised things are going as well as they are for Obama. I would have thought he'd have received more resistance than he has so far. Seems to me that so far he's done rather well all things considered. Actually, now that I think about it, the fact that he's mixed is probably the best thing that could happen for black America. Had he been "pure", people would have undoubtedly been far more apprehensive about him and any suspected hidden agendas.
Next time around, I seriously doubt many people will bother thinking about the race of the presidential candidates. Whether Obama wins or not , the fact of his running will have effectively broken the barrier. You don't get as far as he has if a majority of people are racist.
Personally, I'll take him any day over Hilary. I don't know about McCain but I can't think of any good reason to assume he's any better or worse than Obama. I'd only be interested in their politics and until the actual run for the presidency gets rolling, we don't have all that we need to pick a winner. Well, not that I can vote in a US election anyway but the world IS watching after all. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 6/5/2008 1:54:46 AM |
I've hit my 2 posts in 10 limit here, but instead of being evasive, why don't you please educate me and everyone else about your (obvious) point?
Do I have to spell it out ?
South Africa has had very great racial strife.
America has similar strife.
The left very much promoted left leaning black rule in South Africa .
Which has come about and the result has been an absolute disaster for S.A. ....both black and white.
Obama is a very left leaning black leader .
Will the result be similar?
I think he will set race relations back , not forward . He is a black leader that , by his past record , has very much indicated that he will act in the interest of blacks to the detriment of whites .
Hopefully , I don't have to explain that this will not be good for racial harmony?
Also , the left leaning policies that will result from his election have proven to be failures....as we all should know by this point..... that socialist policies simply do not work . | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 6/5/2008 3:15:18 AM |
Funny how you reacted to my mentioning that my kids aren't interracial...my point was that because of the interracial step dad they are part of the 'new' generation mindset. You stumbled into that quite nicely tho'.
I find this entire topic pointless really but some of the stuff posted makes it worthwhile for a laugh . Obviously you are promoting interracial relationships due to your exp so no bias .But did it work ? Because you claim to be single now ?
Going on that rationale.....my mother would promote same race relationaships but she has a point because she is still with the guy...my father...lol and been treated like a princess in the process .However my gf is Eurasian but I would not promote anything at all but if I did............thats what it would be because her parents are still together after all these years.So to my mind...that makes sense.Something that works in the long term. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 6/5/2008 5:27:52 AM |
I think he will set race relations back , not forward . He is a black leader that , by his past record , has very much indicated that he will act in the interest of blacks to the detriment of whites .
"black" leader? how so? what has he, in the past or present, lead black people exclusively to do/think/believe?
and even if your assertion were true (that he would act in the interests of black people), how would that necessarily be to the detriment of white people? i don't believe those are his intentions at all. if anything, he maintains a stance of reform to demote favoritism and promote multi-culturalism.
and it's not like a president can't be held accountable for his biases and actions anyway, right? a president can't just mandate policies and change laws on his own to serve his own "personal" interests. our government is set up to inherently provide checks and balances so that kind of thing can't happen. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 6/5/2008 8:27:50 AM | OK, Steven02151, let me try this again.
For the first time in American history, there were front runners for the nominations of major parties who were not Caucasians or males. The media exploited this and made a huge story of it, because the American public allowed them to do so as they were fascinated with this concept. Also, if you listen to what is being said in the media by regular people, you will hear people who say "I will not vote for Barrack Hussein Obama because he is black" or "I will not vote for Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton because she is a woman." These are people who do profess to being Democrats. Granted, it's not hard to lie, but I like to try and trust people for what they say.
On top of that, you have Barrack Hussein Obama's former pastor out there preaching whatever the hell he is preaching, which the majority of American are getting the sound bites which sound racism and anti-Americanism. Being that he is Barrack Hussein Obama's former pastor, the vast majority of American are going to link that message with Barrack Hussein Obama.
Meanwhile, the candidates of the Democrat party are having to answer questions about it. Both Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton and Barrack Hussein Obama are fighting against an already preconceived notion about politics and those who are in power, as well as many other influences. Both candidates have felt that they have had to address these issues, which they have done hardcore. This has worked to further perpetuate the story of the media and further perpetuate that thoughts of the American public.
So, in a way, it has become a vicious circle so to speak. Now, I don't know how it started, but this has become a pattern and this was the pattern all the way through the primaries. I have a feeling this will continue to be a pattern throughout the general elections. There are several people who can be pointed to as far as making it a three-ring circus, but again, it has been perpetuated by both Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton and Barrack Hussein Obama.
Now, as far as the general elections go, it has been my hypothesis that if either Barrack Hussein Obama or Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton were the Democratic nominee that our next president would be a Republican because America still has several discriminatory overtones/undertones.
Again, looking at the media data so far, you already have people saying that, as I mentioned above, they will not vote for a candidate based on the race or sex of the person.
Couple that with the fact that Democrats are more likely to jump ship and vote for another candidate than Republican are. If I remember the research right, Democrats are more likely to cross lines at a rate of about 21% where as Republican do it at about 8%. I predict that both these numbers will rise in this election with the nomination of Barrack Hussein Obama, especially in the Black population. I would guess you'll be seeing a rate of about 25% for Democrats and 12-15% for Republicans.
The question, as always will be the independents. I think the phenomena of racial voting will especially be seen heavily in the South where they are more than likely willing to tell you that they do not like you based on the color of your skin. Yes, I've been there, with several friends who were of a different color, and it was one of the most uncomfortable feelings tht I have ever had.
I think in the North, they will find some other reason not to like Barrack Hussein Obama, somewhere more in his left leanings, and because they are not so willing to be forthright about these issues, they will not say I did it because of race, even though subconsciously I would suspect that they do.
Yes, I know I made broad sweeping generalizations of the North and South, but these are the general patterns that you will find in these places.
I don't necessarily think that you are looking at a huge percentage, but my guess is it would be about 25-30% of voters who will exhibit one of these types of behaviors. That in and of itself will be more than enough to swing the vote, as it is the independent voters who usually decide the vote.
I would love to see the the research and the data after the election, especially if John Sydney McCain is the next president as I hypothesize to see if I am correct, but again, this is my hypothesis with the reasoning to back it up. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 6/5/2008 9:38:31 AM | Well most any thinking individual knows that Obama is mulatto, by definition....
but hey, he can 'call himself' anything he likes....who cares ? I know I really don't..
The 'one drop' RULE is not a RULE at all....it was a fabrication and socio-cultural tool
by mostly Anglos to insulate themselves from acknowledging the fact of miscegenation
or just commonplace, omnipresent race-mixing....race mixing was thought to be
taboo.....or should I say "forbidden"....(but practiced anyway, globally)
It's laughable to believe that 'race mixing' is somehow 'new', or is not old as dirt
globally..........look at Semites, Sicilians, Italians, Spanish, Brazilian, etc etc etc.....
it's not new to the US either.......it's just 'out of the closet', front stage, and in your face.
but NEW ?? hardly......
Mr Obama can self label himself........that's what America is all about..........no one
has the 'power' to do that anymore it seems...............moreover it's silly looking at
the larger picture.
Many whites may get paranoid about seeing more and more of it....so what ? you can't
stop it.....it's not going away..........EVER.......
Sometimes even BLACKS become 'racially and tyrannically demagogic' in 'owning' a vast number of
mixed-race (mulatto, quadroon, etc) as "one of their own" when any lucid and sober
person knows differently.......or they are essentially blind. Some blacks attempt
to suggest these mulattos are 'black', like them.....which seems to please white
racists just fine...
Examples are abound : The numbers are staggering.... Take notice..this is just a
fraction !
Adam Clayton Powell
Colin Powell
Charlie Rangle
Halle Berry
Mariah Carey
Tiger Woods
Mya
Faith Evans
Vin Diesel
Thurgood Marshall (Supreme Court Justice)
Senator Obama
Alexandre Dumas, writer
Sen Edward Brooke, MA
Children of Tennis Star Boris Becker (German fame)
Alicia Keyes
Sally Hemmings (Jefferson)
Rep Harold Ford, SR (TN)
Harold Ford Jr (TN)
Harry Belafonte (and Children)
Derek Jeter
Alex Rodriguez
and a HOST of others all around us ALL
TOO MANY to mention......and a bunch of whites/Anglos that may not even acknowledge or know about some of their own 'non-white family heritage'.............
Just visit Lousiana, South AL, South Mississippi, Florida, Texas, Puerto Rico, NORTH CAROLINA California, NYC................or perhaps you own next door neighbor......
It's time to get over it..........nothing new HERE !
Let's deal with real issues affecting the quality of American family life....
But is America 'racist' ???? well of course it still is.......you have white racists, black racists and all kinds of racists............. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 6/5/2008 12:21:54 PM |
Adam Clayton Powell
Colin Powell
Charlie Rangle
Halle Berry
Mariah Carey
Tiger Woods
Mya
Faith Evans
Vin Diesel
Thurgood Marshall (Supreme Court Justice)
Senator Obama
Alexandre Dumas, writer
Sen Edward Brooke, MA
Children of Tennis Star Boris Becker (German fame)
Alicia Keyes
Sally Hemmings (Jefferson)
Rep Harold Ford, SR (TN)
Harold Ford Jr (TN)
Harry Belafonte (and Children)
Derek Jeter
Alex Rodriguez
and a HOST of others all around us ALL
You have listed many well accomplised folks who have one thing in common ... they have probably more white blood than black .
Is that the determining factor ? Is it "racism" that requires blacks to be less black and more white to be very succesful ?
Can you list a similar list that contains blacks who are fairly pure black ?
I vaguely remember a quote that a lefty democrat made ..somethign about " finally , with obama we get a smart, articulate, clean cut african american that can lead our party"
Was he saying that most blacks are not these things ?
Is that lefty racism or what ?
I think lefties are often the biggest racists there are. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 6/5/2008 12:29:04 PM | So by your definition, successful Black folks must have more white blood than Black?
Wow.......Keep posting toother, you're getting closer and closer to your own truth. It's not like the rest of us don't see it already... | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 6/5/2008 12:31:28 PM |
So by your definition, successful Black folks must have more white blood than Black?
Wow.......Keep posting toother, you're getting closer and closer to your own truth. It's not like the rest of us don't see it already...
Did I say that?
Where?
"My own truth" ? sounds like some lefty "subjective reality" crazy talk.
I asked some questions . I asked for a similar list.
Maybe it's that you are having the truth and a mirror put in your face and you don't like what you see? | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 6/5/2008 12:48:38 PM | | Interesting dose of projection there......I suppose others would disdain producing said list because.......of course........penultimately, EVERYONE would be on it......you're regressing in your debate and starting to call your opposition crazy. That's beneath you troother. Come on!!! My dad taught me how to sell your side of this thing better than you currently are....... | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 6/5/2008 3:41:54 PM |
He is a black leader that , by his past record , has very much indicated that he will act in the interest of blacks to the detriment of whites .
No doubt he'll give reparations for slavery, and then slave descendants will inevitably be driving around in huge purple Caddies yelling, "I'm rich! I'm rich, Beyotch!!"
I, for one, am hoping I can get a job as a house servant under Obama's new order. Everyone knows that's much better than being a field worker. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 6/5/2008 4:50:00 PM | Shieldvulv,
My point was he wasn't the first black person to run for President,the media is saying his campaign is "historic".Another thing that the media keeps saying is he(and McCain) have been "nominated" which is false,they are not nominated until the conventions.
Granted they are the only candidates left in their parties and will most likely be nominated. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 6/5/2008 8:19:24 PM | FLOWLEFT the answer to your questions:
This is from another thread and so no matter how you word it this is how everything that goes in Obamas favor is the great saviour Obama god beating all the odds, everything that doesn't is of course racist white people.
Obama
Posted: 6/3/2008 11 42 AM
Here's the situation we find ourselves in. Just remember "Perception is reality".
"Racism" would be a legitimate question if Obama loses. Look what happened here in Kentucky. That's a problem America wouldn't have if it did a better job of dealing with it's racist past.
He could lose and for the most part, be for valid reasons in the minds of White voters. I say "White voters" because you are the majority. But then again, the aftermath of an Obama loss, (America's image of being racist being heightened) would be another case of it's "chickens coming home to roost".
It's a tough position to be in when you consider that if anything happens to this man, the political consequences would be dire indeed and I think race relations would suffer because time would be wasted in trying to convince Black America and the rest of the world that the United States isn't racist.
I'm a registered Republican, but I'm jumping ship as it were because my party has been a bitter dissapointment for the last 8 years.
Obama/Napolitano '08 | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 6/5/2008 9:16:38 PM |
No doubt he'll give reparations for slavery, and then slave descendants will inevitably be driving around in huge purple Caddies yelling, "I'm rich! I'm rich, Beyotch!!"
I, for one, am hoping I can get a job as a house servant under Obama's new order. Everyone knows that's much better than being a field worker.
I'm guessing the movie "Roots" plays over and over in your head when you think in terms of black people .....true ?
Get over it. I'm sure that black people must find you to be condescending.
Don't let the media define your place in the world. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 6/5/2008 9:22:35 PM | lost, I'm not sure what you think the word "historic" means. It does not mean "first by every measure." Is that what you're thinking when you say this is not an historic nomination?
But your last complaint first: Sens. Obama and McCain will be their parties' nominees. The delegates are declared, the voting is done, and these two won their parties' nominations. I've only heard the networks refer to the "presumptive nominees," anyway, and that corrects for your complaint all one can.
Back to historic. All political parties and movements have minor players and participants who are never leaders. Some of these aspire to lead, and run for office, but never win the vote. As a result, they are never decisionmakers. Barak Obama is the first non-white person to be the nominee of a major party. Given the country's long and violent history of racial ignorance and fear, that is a watershed moment. Last week, you could say that it would never happen. You can't say that anymore. It's going to soothe a lot of rancor. We might even start being nice to each other again. Are you with me there?
Cheers!
Vulf 
And dlil? You can't read other people's minds, and you pretend to in every post. People already know what they think, anyway. Why not tell us what you think for a change? | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 6/5/2008 9:27:17 PM |
It's a tough position to be in when you consider that if anything happens to this man, the political consequences would be dire indeed and I think race relations would suffer because time would be wasted in trying to convince Black America and the rest of the world that the United States isn't racist.
actually, i don't think if Obama loses, it will affect race relations as much as people might think. i can't speak for an entire community and definitely not for the world at large, but i tend to believe that Black America already knows the situation and, i believe, is prepared for the possibility of a less than desirable outcome to the election. if some people are of the mindset that believe Obama's winning or losing comes solely down to race, they already expect him to lose. i don't think even that SEGMENT of society (black or otherwise) would be surprised or outraged, if he loses. they'll most likely take the position that "America is as racist as it ever was. It's nothing new...." and it's important to distinguish: when saying "America" they would be referring to the institution/system/gov't, not necessarily "white people".
i mean, if you think about it, look at how Bush handled Hurricane Katrina.... or what happened to Sean Bell in new york.... or The Jena 6.... if those kinds of things aren't causing large scale race relation issues, then why would anything change if Obama loses especially when A LOT of black folks (and others!) doubted that he could even make it this far from day one? | |
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