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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White Posted: 6/5/2008 9:42:48 PM | Back to historic. All political parties and movements have minor players and participants who are never leaders. Some of these aspire to lead, and run for office, but never win the vote. As a result, they are never decisionmakers. Barak Obama is the first non-white person to be the nominee of a major party. Given the country's long and violent history of racial ignorance and fear, that is a watershed moment. Last week, you could say that it would never happen. You can't say that anymore. It's going to soothe a lot of rancor. We might even start being nice to each other again. Are you with me there?
Leads? who leads? I'll tell you what shieldvulff , the establishment could have had Gary Coleman to run for the demo nominee and have him elected in the final tally , and he would have been the same sock puppet that obama or mccain is. That's just the way things work .... You see , money rules. It's not alice in wonderland lefty world you seem to live in , it's all very real .
BTW , I would prefer gary coleman over mccain , gary is probably too comical to bring on an attack against Iran.....
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White Posted: 6/5/2008 10:23:32 PM | And dlil? You can't read other people's minds, and you pretend to in every post. People already know what they think, anyway. Why not tell us what you think for a change?
I didn't read anyone's mind I just brought two comments together in what is a genuine consensus of the given reading material on these threads.
Personal attacks on only show your lack of character. Is it because you are Liberal and therefore what you have to say is obviously the only view point that matters? Just why do you want to set your sights on me to lauch your personal frustrations? You, like I do not own a patent on mind reading or points of view, or have I missed where you are declared knowledgeable of the knowledgeable? Go attack someone else, you bore me.
I myself think if Obama is not elected, we, The United States will be seen as a racist Nation. I myself think if he fails, we , white America, will be the excuse as many have already said. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White Posted: 6/5/2008 10:49:39 PM | | come on... get real....i had to jump in on this issue... if obama is to win the white house we need to burn our great flag and forget what it stands for..we then need to pull all our troops from iraq..... yes our nation is already racist... think about it,..... the blacks always play the race card... and in this election the race card was used..the blacks voted for this assclown because he is black.. when you go to vote in nov.. please vote for john m.... i was backing cliton but its time for a change.... obama has said this from day one..what in the blue hell is he talking about i dont think he knows........i have never voted for the rep party but thats the change im talking about.... cliton as vp.... i hope she dont take a back seat i hope she will run on the indepent ticket........ if she does ill vote for cliton if she sides with obama ..ill vote for john.... | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White Posted: 6/6/2008 12:16:40 AM |
I'm guessing the movie "Roots" plays over and over in your head when you think in terms of black people .....true ? Get over it. I'm sure that black people must find you to be condescending. Don't let the media define your place in the world. Actually, I've never seen "Roots," but I know enough to guess you watch it backwards so that it has a happy ending. Think in terms of black people? That phrase is offensive to the English language. You make an assumption on behalf of a whole other race. I know I find you to be condescending. Thanks for the advice. Are you saying I don't have to feel all this guilt simply for being white? | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White Posted: 6/6/2008 12:22:28 AM |
Actually, I've never seen "Roots," but I know enough to guess you watch it backwards so that it has a happy ending.
i don't get into the name calling or snide remarks going back and forth thing, but that was HILARIOUS. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White Posted: 6/6/2008 12:31:19 AM | | im getting tired of the word racist. didnt we learn anything from the past. blacks vrs whites could be very much relitive to germans vrs the world and the jewish. people are xenophobic, not racist. not to race but of other cultures. and its always the worst of the cultures that represent the whole. so of course we can point fingers at a whole race and culture just cause our minds can only comprehend things bye catagory. when infact we all create our own fate, and should be accountable without birth titles. but human nature will never learn. it will go on and on | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White Posted: 6/6/2008 12:39:13 AM |
I myself think if Obama is not elected, we, The United States will be seen as a racist Nation. I myself think if he fails, we , white America, will be the excuse as many have already said.
i think The US is already seen as a racist nation by some other parts of the world. if Obama isn't elected, it will be perceived as an affirmation of that sentiment. i totally agree that white people will be perceived to be ONE of the reasons/excuses.
The reality of the situation, as i see it, is some blacks will vote for him just because he's black and some whites will not vote for him for the same reason. maybe they will balance each other out and the best person, out of what we have to choose from, will be elected.
it's pretty much a given, if Obama wasn't running, Hillary would have most likely have been in a sure thing. i don't think most American's wanted another republican president but it looks like that's a high possibility. if Mc Cain wins, i truly hope he's actually the better person for the job, political affiliations aside, because i don't think the republicans did such a great job over the last 8 years . | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White Posted: 6/6/2008 1:04:33 AM |
im getting tired of the word racist. didnt we learn anything from the past. blacks vrs whites could be very much relitive to germans vrs the world and the jewish. people are xenophobic, not racist. not to race but of other cultures. and its always the worst of the cultures that represent the whole. so of course we can point fingers at a whole race and culture just cause our minds can only comprehend things bye catagory. when infact we all create our own fate, and should be accountable without birth titles. but human nature will never learn. it will go on and on
wow! you gave me some quick food for thought and i had to go look up both definitions because i wasn't familiar with term. what you say makes lot of sense. however, i would also add that it seems that xenophobia can be the "gateway" to racism. either way, thanks for making me a bit smarter! | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White Posted: 6/6/2008 1:10:26 AM | Flowleft, I agree with most of what you said but I am not sure Hillary would have been the most likely nominee. I am an Independant. For the most part I think anyone in the political arena is not really going to make much of a difference.
I believe no matter ones hope when they do become a politician a seduction takes place and situations arise in which a "sellout" inevitable changes the dynamic.
I think to back to "the one that controls the money" holds the power. The Federal Reserve Bank holds the power in our nation. Our government gave them "watch" over the gold which equates to our " paper and coin money. The Federal Reserve Bank is nothing more than a private bank in which our government borrows money and pays it back with interest. They are never audited. For all we know there is no more gold to cover the paper and coin.
So as much as I hope it all will be balanced out I keep in mind who has the "money". It really is not a far stretch to believe programs can be written to override electric voting machines and the only way to know is to know the program name or hand count ballots. Then determine if the ones counting hand ballots are truthful. Computer programmers and analyst can tell you it can be done. Just like the guy that won several horse races programmed the fix.
Politics is all about race and the color is green. Once seduce by power and money the secrets will hold in code. They just placate us into believing our votes count. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White Posted: 6/6/2008 1:15:44 AM | Not that either of these posts are really relevant, but some people's lack of understanding astonishes me.
d lily:
I have read up on many countries and looked up slavery as it pertains to each. It is far more widespread than to be only associated with The United States, however we get far more credit than any other Nation for this.
Many societies have had slavery, but there is an enormous difference between a society with slavery and a slavery society. We were the latter in the American south for a very long time...and our slavery was race based...both of which things makes us, and the legacy of our past, quite different from that of societies that merely practiced slavery. If you don't understand that, then you aren't likely to grasp the importance of the legacy of our past, and its impact.
"Where were you during the South African struggle with apartheid?"
Not born at that time and you? Your point?
Yes, you were, for a large part of your adult life, and if you don't even KNOW that, then your priorities are clear. Google it.
****** Anyway...
At the risk of being flamed, I would say that the color of Obama's skin is hugely relevant. Nobody is under any obligation to vote for Obama simply because he's black, looks black, self-identifies as black...which apparently he does. But the fact that he is black is, IMO, not something that is simply an "it doesn't matter" thing. It matters enormously if we elect a black president, and because of the nature of THIS election, it also matters if we don't elect him, because this election is, at least in part, about race. And why is that? Is it because of Obama? Or is it because of the rhetoric around race and all the racist and racist-by-proxy issues that have ben raised, in an attempt to scare people, by those who oppose Obama?
In my view, there are a very few, HUGE issues at stake in this election. Those are the war in Iraq, our broader approach to foreign policy, the way health care is provided to the poor and elderly in this country, and the extent to which (which is related to the other issues) we continue to allow our government to be controlled by corporations. On all these issues Obama and McCain have both taken stands which aren't difficult to figure out. A small minority of this country agree with McCain in his position on these things....but how many of a large segment of the population will vote isn't about the issues. For many, it's about republican v. democrat, but for many it's also going to come down to whether or not they can stomach voting a black man into the White House, and that's just a reality.
And that's why there is so much racist nonsense circulating the internet and mass emailings about Obama, that are all about appealing to people's visceral and racist emotions. In short, IMO, IF you oppose Obama because you disagree with his stance on health care or the war in Iraq, then fine...but if you oppose him because you believe that he's a secret Moslem, then you are BEING a racist. IF you oppose him because you don't believe that he's patriotic, then you are BEING a racist. If you oppose him because you think he is anti-white or anti-American, then you ARE being a racist....because all of these things have been hyped, whether you realise it or not, in a way to bring out your latent racism....to make you succumb to FEARS that are already there in some way, because of the man's race and his name.
It is not JUST about race...but it's a fantasy, IMO, to believe that isn't ISN'T, at least in part, about race. And frankly, I welcome that. I'm ready for US to be tested in this way....and I'm also glad as hell that our first viable black candidate for the presidency is a democrat.
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White Posted: 6/6/2008 1:52:08 AM | A bit Nomatic:
you may have a personal reason to feel like you have to be ashamed for the white race . I don't know. Did your family own slaves? What is it? Mine did not. My government may have but as I recall I am not related to them either. But, leave me out of your racist BS analogy . I am American Indian decent and I don't particularly care for the way they were done either. Go exercise self righteous, self pity and remorse about being white with someone else because I do not share your opinion that I owe anyone anything because I don't judge people by color and I don't need you in all you grander telling me the definition of myself.
Yes, you were, for a large part of your adult life, and if you don't even KNOW that, then your priorities are clear. Google it.
No I wasn't, go feed your own conscience, like I said I don't know why you feel guilty, bit I did nothing.
http://www.africanaencyclopedia.com/apartheid/apartheid.html PS.. I don't live in S Africia:
Africa
Apartheid, social and political policy of racial segregation and discrimination enforced by white minority governments in South Africa from 1948 to 1994.
Africa
The term apartheid (from the Afrikaans word for "apartness") was coined in the 1930s and used as a political slogan of the National Party in the early 1940s, but the policy itself extends back to the beginning of white settlement in South Africa in 1652. After the primarily Afrikaner Nationalists came to power in 1948, the social custom of apartheid was systematized under law. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White Posted: 6/6/2008 2:38:44 AM | d lily, are you seriously saying that you aren't aware that apartheid was in effect in South Africa until the 1990s?
As for the rest, what makes you think that I'm ashamed of my race? I'm not at all--what does embarrass me is white defensiveness over race issues. I'm not personally defensive--I don't have to be, even despite the fact that yes, some of my ancestors did own slaves. Yours didn't, and yet you are so obviously defensive. Why is that?
Go exercise self righteous, self pity and remorse about being white with someone else because I do not share your opinion that I owe anyone anything because I don't judge people by color and I don't need you in all you grander telling me the definition of myself.
Please tell me where I have expressed either self pity or remorse--I'll take the self-righteous hit because I realise that this is a subjective judgement, and I can certainly, at times, own up to being guilty of it. But I don't think I've said that you "owe anyone anything"--although if you can point out where I've said that, I'll give that due consideration as well... and thanks for saying that I have "grander" (sic).
But, leave me out of your racist BS analogy . Btw, just for the record, I didn't offer an analogy ("racist BS" or otherwise) in my previous post. If you can spot one, feel free to point it out.
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White Posted: 6/6/2008 3:03:43 AM | d_lily, and i also agree with you about who holds the power and i think you raise some interesting points...
I think to back to "the one that controls the money" holds the power. The Federal Reserve Bank holds the power in our nation. Our government gave them "watch" over the gold which equates to our " paper and coin money. The Federal Reserve Bank is nothing more than a private bank in which our government borrows money and pays it back with interest. They are never audited. For all we know there is no more gold to cover the paper and coin.
have you seen Zeitgeist - The Movie? it talks a lot about the Federal Reserve amongst other things along the lines of who might be the actually pulling the strings in America and the world. it's pretty interesting and scary in the sense that if even half of what they discuss is true, it's already too late for anyone to do anything about it....
Politics is all about race and the color is green. Once seduce by power and money the secrets will hold in code. They just placate us into believing our votes count.
and i'll take it a step further and say, that there are "those who control the money" and hold the power have a desire to see people of different religions and cultures/races continue to distrust and fight amongst each other. that way no has time to see the bigger picture of what's really going on. it's like being stuck in a pile of crap and blaming the person standing next to you, even though he's in the same crap that you are, instead of seeing who really has us in the crap in the first place.
regardless, who wins or loses the election, Obama, Hillary, and Mc Cain will still be wealthy and relatively unaffected by what happens to the country as a whole. i'm mean, look at G W Bush. when it's all said and done he might be considered to be one of the worst presidents ever, and even though our economy went down the tubes under his "rule", he and his cabinet seemed to have made out like bandits financially. do you think Oprah has to personally worry about the economic or political ramifications of who our next president is any more or less than Bill Gates? i doubt it and she's not even in Bill Gate's financial class. none of their kids (if they had any) are coming back from Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, North Korea or anywhere else with missing limbs and if gas goes up to $10 a gallon, i would guarantee that none of them will be sitting next to you on the bus. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White Posted: 6/6/2008 3:05:56 AM | | There is still the good ol' boy and girl, USA racism mostly in covert fashion despite the many strides black people have made. If you think about it, if the majority of Americans were as racist as the media and other modems projected, then how did Obama win the nomination? Facts are, white Americans voted for Obama en masses. So, those disgruntled low life racists are in the minority and will vote for 100 years war McCain and similarly, McCain defectors will vote for Obama -- it'll even out in the end. But I fully expect a landslide for Obama -- he has a superior strategic team working behind the scenes. The American people have a short memory (most have forgotten the impact of 9/11) so hopefully Obama can pick a running mate other than Hillary whose cruel adversity against Obama makes her an undesirable choice for VP. I believe the VP choice will be so appealing that the people will forget all about Hillary. Moreover, Hilliary should become VP to McCain, not Obama. She's stirred the racial pot and has done everything but throw at Obama the kitchen sink. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White Posted: 6/6/2008 6:39:51 AM | Obama's skin color irrelevant ? perhaps it SHOULD be the case, but succintly in this nation it still IS...i.e. relevant to a bunch of people of all 'stripes'
....but your larger point has some empirical merit it seems....(MESSAGE 62 'nomadic')
Fear does provide 'fodder' for underlying, sneaky or latent racism......I'm a Republican, and I cringe each time one of my 'educated' colleagues results to 'coded' anti-Obama political speak, when the criticism is not on his POLICY.......
Labels of course ARE important, but it matters most, WHO is doing the labeling it seems.
This country likes to 'label'.......it labels 'rednecks', bumpkins, blacks, Latinos, (it loves to label Mexicans for example), Jews, women, and just about everybody else....WHY ? it's laziness, convenient, and supports the "Totem Pole Theory" of Anglo American social structure.......one designed (by Anglos) to pit one group against the other......
This 'totem' pole social/political structure even exists WITHIN subgroups or minority groups themselves.......example : in Brazil and even in Cuba, a latino is oftentimes viewed as 'superior' if he has more 'Spanish Castilian' (read euro/white) heritage or parentage.........another example to the extreme would even be Germans who are 'white' to begin with, but even some of them continue to stratify what is truly Teutonic in the 'purest' sense.....................very strange but telling stuff.
Mr OBAMA is nothing more than just another 'non-white' on the globe. His parentage speaks for itself.......he's not 100% ANYTHING....black, nor white.......even his 'experience' matriculating in a larger society does not support a clear notion than Mr. Obama has fully participated in the 'black experience'.............that even irks some demagogic so-called 'black leaders'............black folks have always in some sense despised mulattoes......that is factual and inarguable...........many genotypical and phenotypical 'blacks' still harbor racist thoughts in re mulattoes, quadroons, etc......but the same black racists are gleefully happy to 'own' or 'claim' a mulatto or quadroon as 'one of OUR own', when NOTHING could be further from the truth.....
Many, if not downright most of the so-called 'black', successful, noted, visible 'leaders', 'innovators', 'politicians', 'scientists', corporate movers and shakers from a United States historical perspective, were NOT truly 'black' at all............that too should be obvious to any dispassionate, lucid, and sober follower of American history, and current events.
Calling Adam Clayton Powell, Thurgood Marshall, Colin Powell, Harold Ford, Charlie Rangel, Mariah Carey, or Tiger Woods "black" is quite laughable. They are of course more accurately defined as 'non-white', no doubt.
Oprah Winfrey is a 'black woman'...clearly so...and accurately so. Any reasonable person can 'see' that Mariah Carey has nothing in common with Oprah Winfrey.
Michael Jordan is truly 'black'.....no doubt. Tiger Woods mother is ASIAN (Thai born citizen), and his father a mulatto....... any idiot can seen that Mr. Woods has little in common with Mr Jordan, genetically. The same thing could be said about Derek Jeter or the Yankees, and another NBA star, Tony Parker.
If 'black folks' want a 'black Presidential Candidate', they obviously don't HAVE one in Mr Obama.
It's further obvious that Mr. Obama is not likely to 'forget' that he is 'white' as much as 'black'.........I don't like some of his policies, but I don't think he's 'stupid' or ignorant enough to automatically 'ignore' his own background, and how it shaped his upbringing, and apparent success.
His 'exposure' (yes, genetic and otherwise) certainly played a key role in his attitude, opportunity, and path in life.........that is not 'racist' to suggest that.......that is undeniably factual.................other examples are plainly in our face 'historically', and will continue to be so, even to the chagrin of 'black racists', 'white racists' or any other sort. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White Posted: 6/6/2008 7:00:37 AM | Mr OBAMA is nothing more than just another 'non-white' on the globe. His parentage speaks for itself.......he's not 100% ANYTHING....black, nor white.......even his 'experience' matriculating in a larger society does not support a clear notion than Mr. Obama has fully participated in the 'black experience'.............that even irks some demagogic so-called 'black leaders'............black folks have always in some sense despised mulattoes......that is factual and inarguable...........many genotypical and phenotypical 'blacks' still harbor racist thoughts in re mulattoes, quadroons, etc......but the same black racists are gleefully happy to 'own' or 'claim' a mulatto or quadroon as 'one of OUR own', when NOTHING could be further from the truth.....
Many, if not downright most of the so-called 'black', successful, noted, visible 'leaders', 'innovators', 'politicians', 'scientists', corporate movers and shakers from a United States historical perspective, were NOT truly 'black' at all............that too should be obvious to any dispassionate, lucid, and sober follower of American history, and current events.
Calling Adam Clayton Powell, Thurgood Marshall, Colin Powell, Harold Ford, Charlie Rangel, Mariah Carey, or Tiger Woods "black" is quite laughable. They are of course more accurately defined as 'non-white', no doubt.
Oprah Winfrey is a 'black woman'...clearly so...and accurately so. Any reasonable person can 'see' that Mariah Carey has nothing in common with Oprah Winfrey.
Michael Jordan is truly 'black'.....no doubt. Tiger Woods mother is ASIAN (Thai born citizen), and his father a mulatto....... any idiot can seen that Mr. Woods has little in common with Mr Jordan, genetically. The same thing could be said about Derek Jeter or the Yankees, and another NBA star, Tony Parker.
This post, and your previous post # 40 is perhaps the MOST accurate common sense description and definition I have seen in these forums so far.
As another NON WHITE, thank you. I couldnt have said it better myself.
Of course, diluted blacks will argue that this is inaccurate, as they are branded BLACK by society, so therefore they readily accept and wear that black nametag conveniently.
Unfortunately, the hypocritical double standard that they practise is, these very same mixed race people likewise blindly label me as WHITE, of which I have learned from whites and my regional society, throughout my life, that I am not.
We are all members of the non-white rainbow ethnic subculture. The above mentioned examples simply happen to have a larger percentage of Nubian blood than I do - that is the only difference. That is all.
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White Posted: 6/6/2008 7:12:07 AM | Don't forget, the USA is the only nation that ever came up with a "one drop" law on race definition.
Uniqueness Of The One-Drop Rule
Not only does the one-drop rule apply to no other group than American blacks, but apparently the rule is unique in that it is found only in the United States and not in any other nation in the world. In fact, definitions of who is black vary quite sharply from country to country, and for this reason people in other countries often express consternation about our definition.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jefferson/mixed/onedrop.html
Legislation
The 1910–19 decade was the nadir of the Jim Crow era by most measures. Tennessee adopted a one-drop statute in 1910. It was followed by Louisiana the same year, Texas and Arkansas in 1911, Mississippi in 1917, North Carolina in 1923, Virginia in 1924, Alabama and Georgia in 1927, and Oklahoma in 1931. During this same period, Florida, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, and Utah retained their old "blood fraction" statutes de jure, but amended these fractions (one-sixteenth, one-thirtysecond) to be equivalent to one-drop de facto.[4] By 1925, almost every state had a one-drop law on the books, or something equivalent.[citation needed] These laws gave justification to bureaucrats like Walter Plecker of Virginia,[5] Naomi Drake of Louisiana,[6] and similar people around the country, who insisted on labeling families of mixed ancestry as Black.
Before 1930, individuals of mixed European and African ancestry had usually been classed as mulattoes, sometimes as black and sometimes as white. The main purpose of the one-drop rule was to prevent interracial relationships and thus keep the white race "pure." In 1924, Plecker wrote, "Two races as materially divergent as the White and Negro, in morals, mental powers, and cultural fitness, cannot live in close contact without injury to the higher." In line with this concept was also the assumption that Blacks would somehow be "improved" through White intermixture.
Plecker had been preceded by Madison Grant, who had written in his book The Passing of the Great Race: "The cross between a white man and an Indian is an Indian; the cross between a white man and a negro is a negro; the cross between a white man and a Hindu is a Hindu; and the cross between any of the three European races and a Jew is a Jew."[7]
In the case of Native American admixture with whites, the one-drop rule was extended only as far as those with one-quarter Indian blood due to what was known as the "Pocahontas exception." The "Pocahontas exception" existed because many influential Virginia families claimed descent from Pocahontas. To avoid classifying them as non-white, the Virginia General Assembly declared that a person could be considered white long as they had no more than one-sixteenth Indian blood.
In 1967, the U.S. Supreme Court, in its opinion in the case of Loving v. Virginia, conclusively invalidated Plecker's Virginia Racial Integrity Act, along with its key component, the one-drop rule, as unconstitutional.
Despite this holding, the one-drop theory is still influential in U.S. society. Multiracial individuals with visible mixed European and African and/or Native American ancestry are often still considered non-white, unless they explicitly declare themselves white or Anglo (this used to be called "passing"), and are typically identified instead as mixed-race, bi-racial, mulatto or mestizo, or Black or American Indian, for example. By contrast, these standards are widely rejected by America's Latino community, the majority of whom are of mixed ancestry (usually Amerindian and white, but for whom their Latino cultural heritage is more important to their ethnic identities than "race." The one-drop rule is not generally applied to Latinos of mixed origin or to Arab-Americans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule
Even South Africa, at the height of apartheid, resorted to other means.
The Pencil test
During the system of apartheid in South Africa, one drop of sub-Saharan blood was not enough to be considered black. South African law maintained a major distinction between those who were black and those who were coloured. When it was unclear from a person's physical appearance which racial classification they belonged to, the pencil test was employed. This involved inserting a pencil in a person's hair to determine if the hair was kinky enough for the pencil to get stuck. If the pencil remained stuck in a person's hair, the person was "black."
- ibid
Better hope for a good hair day, when you come up for THAT test.
The inevitable cultural impact of this, over generations, is that "black" is seen in a negative manner, since one does not apply this same type of definition of race to any other racial sub-set.
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White Posted: 6/6/2008 7:35:02 AM | Actually, I've never seen "Roots," but I know enough to guess you watch it backwards so that it has a happy ending.
Yes , that's true . Backwards would mean back to Africa and free ....right?
Although , "Roots" was a great exaggeration in that it depicted slavery in a very distorted light and only depicted blacks as having been enslaved while the truth is whites were slaves and the Irish were often treated as hashly or more so than Africans.
Even South Africa, at the height of apartheid, resorted to other means.
Apartheid came about for various reasons in S. Africa . One primary reason for apartheid was that the black population was often lead by violent communist revolutionaies who were terrorizing the population in hopes of toppling the government and installing a bloody dictatorship. Communists have a long history of using blacks against whites to further their goals. Both black and white fell victim to the horrors of unspeakble violence such as "necklacing" where a gas filled tire was lit around a victims kneck and burned alive. Being aware communism , many blacks in Africa did not want to go along with the revolution so that the revolutionaries terorised them by such means as necklacing to keep them complacent . Communist revolutions are not a nice thing for the people as history and the millions of violent deaths have shown.
To this day in Zimbabwe , black marxists are terrorising and murdering whites and blacks alike in a terror campaign and S. Africa is much in decline with an economy in the toilet , rampant crime and corruption under marxist ANC black rule .
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White Posted: 6/6/2008 7:38:56 AM | It means that someone like Obama, who is half-white, will only be seen as half-black. But not to me, nor the millions of others like me. But it seems we, nor our ideals count.
Those in my rainbow ethnic subculture who indentify those as "half black' have been aided by these very same mixed race "half blacks" who themselves eagerly accept and trumpet this brand. They label themselves. We did not invent it.
Perpetuating, amplying, magnifying, and wrapping oneself in this obsolete self serving stereotypical blanket only serves to keep it alive, front and centre. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White Posted: 6/6/2008 7:58:53 AM |
It means that someone like Obama, who is half-white, will only be seen as half-black. I see him as black. I think he is really 50% white, about 45% arab and 5 % black. But the media and his wife have made me see him as black.
As far as black always being the only race being seen as negative. Thats not true for me. I also see the hispanic race as a negative. I guess I am one of those US American racist, even though I dont consider someone negative just because they are black or hispanic. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White Posted: 6/6/2008 8:07:20 AM | | I have readed almost everything everybody has had to say.I most ask... do the Jews stills have a seeded haterd for the germans.What if Martin Luther King would have said,"We have been beaten,hung from trees and we try to live in peace in a land with people who at one point in time where slaves themselves.I had a dream let's fight let us take arms."I guessed he figured war gets you nothing but dead ppl.I can care less who win the white house because at the end of the day you won't paint it black.I can truly say I get up set when I watch roots.I can say I do have a little anomosity torge white ppl.But i date a white women.Black ppl have to forgive whites themselves. There is nothing you can do that will make up for what your grandpa did and I'm not talking about the one who own slaves I'm talk but the one who still treated them as S@#$ after saying your free.I give it to the black ppl of martin's time thumbs up becaused I would have rather died than to be spit on. Obama who is he to me?A mixed guy running for for a sit he don't mean a dam thang in the hood.If white ppl come up with cure for aids, cancer,herps,I'll watch roots with a smile.All I'm really saying is we got bigger problems. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White Posted: 6/6/2008 8:36:04 AM | Apartheid.... I'm sure that given the chance , whites in South Africa would have loved to live and let live with blacks . Unfortunately , South African whites have a long history of seeing outside forces using blacks to mess them up by turning black against white.
Africa is very mineral rich continent so that powerful outside forces were bent on wars and chaos in a plot of gaining control of these resources. Being well aware of the political exploitation of blacks , the apartheid governments of Africa were very interested in keeping separate of blacks since the result of an integrated society would be never ending social strife. (much like America has) Basically, these governments saw apartheid as the only means of keeping a stable and functional society. (which has proven very true ) The same holds true of many in the southern US , having suffered bitter defeat in the civil war essentially to the international bankers of the north , many southerners were well aware of the fact that blacks are very vulnerable to exploitation , resulting in a movement for "separate but equal"
The fact is that in Africa as in America , the ruling elite at the very pinnacle of power work behind the scenes to exploit the natural conflicts of these two very different races. The e$tablishment has placed in whites a never ending "white guilt " and in blacks a victim identity , when the vast majority of whites and blacks would love to just get along while living in a peaceful and productive society.
Unfortunately the e$tablishment has no interest in resolving these conflicts , so that this constant racial strife is probably going to go on for a very long time to come. (this is why black agitators get constant press coverage)
What is the answer ? Just being aware of the nature of the problem would be a good start. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White Posted: 6/6/2008 9:43:33 AM | It interesting that that someone assumes that the people on the list of famous 'mixed race' are mostly white. Anybody remember Tiger Woods' heritage? His mom is asian, his dad was african/native.You didn't hear the asians yelling that one of their own is the best golfer in the world!- same with the natives. Halle Berry? Dad african, mom white. As for Obama(he's not 'mostly white either)- Everybody goes on looks- they don't care what the persons actual heritage is- its all about looks. Thats pretty bad I think. edit- went back and found that someone mentioned Tiger Woods being half asian- but, his dad was not mullato. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White Posted: 6/6/2008 9:50:48 AM | Basically, these governments saw apartheid as the only means of keeping a stable and functional society. (which has proven very true ) The same holds true of many in the southern US , having suffered bitter defeat in the civil war essentially to the international bankers of the north , many southerners were well aware of the fact that blacks are very vulnerable to exploitation , resulting in a movement for "separate but equal"
I would like to add to the fact that "blacks are very vulnerable to exploitation "... Whites are very vulnerable to political explotation as well in a different sort of way. There has been some recent study that shows that for some reason whites have a racial charateristic that creates in them a condition where they are opposed to acting in their own group interest to the point of a propensity towards guilt and a sort of inclination towards in-group punishment (punishment of their own race) .
In other words , it is often whites who hate the idea of their own "whiteness" as much as or more so than other races do .... This weakness has been very much taken advatage of by the lefty power e$tablishment. We see this mindest very much pronounced amongst white "liberals" and you can see this examples of this self-hatred relfected in these forum's threads very commonly.
Personally , I have not such a vulnerablity , possibly because I am aware of political realities. .
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White Posted: 6/6/2008 10:01:16 AM | This is patently false: Criticism of the idea that white guilt animates most whites (or most whites on the left) is common from left-wing or American liberal commentators. While the concept of "White Guilt" may have become popularized by some social theorists, there is no empirical evidence that Caucasians in the modern day actually feel "guilty" about acts they had nothing to do with. It is likely that compassionate acts, empathy or concern demonstrated by some Caucasian people may be falsely interpreted as "white guilt". Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_guilt I'd love to take a look at your study though......but, gee, maybe it's just compassion with the intent to right current wrongs.....who knew? | |
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