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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 8/4/2008 6:36:49 AM | | First of all Obama is the first black candidate only because Colin Powell refused the opportunity. We have been ready for a black president. Every person I ever talked to from either party would have voted for Colin Powell, myself included. Now Obama, lets start off with understanding racism can go both ways. Had a white person said my grandmother is a typical black person, they would have cruicified him, but Obama states his grandmother is a typical white person, he gets a pass. Obama attends a church for 20 yrs, and is close to the reverand, who is very racist, and makes claims about our government that our very outrageous, and Obama quits the church for political reasons. It didnt bother him for 20 yrs. I feel we need to understand racism is wrong, but putting a black person in the white house that is racist, just for whites to prove we are not is insane. He is also so liberal that he makes Hillary look conservative. Thats ok if you happen to be liberal, but for moderates, and conservatives his voting record is something the public needs to be informed on. He will probably get elected because for all of the above he is a great orater, and the public doesnt bother to be informed, what they see on tv , is what they buy into. McCain on the other hand reminds me of Bob Dole, honorable, but boring. Oh, and I love Obamas wife's statement this is the first time she is proud to be an american. Do What, she is Ivy league educated, she is married to a senator, she has riches, and blessings the average american can only dream of, and only now that her husband is running for president is she proud of being american. Come on America wake up. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 8/4/2008 7:25:16 AM | | USA is still racist. It is racist now and was even worse in the past. America's past racism continues to have an effect in the present. Since whites were able to own property, procure loans, hold jobs and attend schools all of which were off-limits to people of colour, the wealth accumulated by those previously privileged whites, elevated by law above all non-whites, has been passed down. I know a lot of whites are tired of hearing about these things. But guess what ? Black people are a lot more tired of living it. | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 8:52:08 AM |
Oh, and I love Obamas wife's statement this is the first time she is proud to be an american. Do What, she is Ivy league educated, she is married to a senator, she has riches, and blessings the average american can only dream of, and only now that her husband is running for president is she proud of being american. Come on America wake up.
I agree, wake up . 
The truth about Michelle’s Pride in Country
Lie:
The Tennessee Republican Party and the King County Republican Party in Washington State have launched ads attacking Michelle Obama on her patriotism.
Truth:
Laura Bush herself has defended Michelle Obama on this issue and labeled this kind of attack as "misconstrued."
Laura Bush on Good Morning America:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/MOattackad
Her actual statement(s)
....for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback."
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Feb. 2008
"For the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really proud of my country, and not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change."
Madison, Wisconsin
Feb.2008
The second quote gives you the tone of her feelings, she's "really proud". Given the context of her speeches, her position, and the way she'd seen people coming together (at that time period) to work together to help her husband towards victory - not an unusual statement to have made.
Here's the quote, in it's proper context now :
"What we've learned over this year is that hope is making a comeback. It is making a comeback and let me tell you something, for the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment. I've seen people who are hungry to be unified around some basic common issues, and it's made me proud. And I feel privileged to be a part of even witnessing this, traveling around states all over this country and being reminded that there is more that unites us than divides us..
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post
/paulettehargrojenkins/gGgMHj/commentary
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 8/4/2008 9:46:04 AM | bie is correct, obviously. It is nowhere near enough for white people to declare racism over and dead because they don't "feel that way" anymore. Our legacy and inheritance are the fruits of racism. (Besides, there are still a hell of a lot of white folks who remain stubborn - if quieter - about their "superiority.")
Say you and I live on the same block, and for years I crept around at night and stole things out of everyone else's yard and garage. Once in a while, I even broke into your houses and took things. Then, one day, I declare that I don't steal and never will steal, that stealing is an issue of the dead past, that there is no good reason to keep grousing on the past, back when maybe somebody stole something sometime - or maybe not! I say, "Let's all move forward together into the theftless future!"
It's true; I don't steal from you anymore. But I still have a lot more stuff than any of you, and most of it really doesn't belong to me. Whenever you, the rightful owners of all this stuff I have, try to get your stuff back or have me held accountable, all I have to do is accuse you of playing the "theft card," and the thieves in the rest of the neighborhood all wag their fingers at you for being so unfair to me.
When I die and my children divide up "my" stuff between them, they are outraged and offended if your children even raise the issue of your stolen stuff. "This was Dad's stuff! It was in his house! You people don't live in his house! How could it be your stuff? And don't you dare play the Theft Card! Why dig up the dead past?"
I appreciate trkdrvr's point of view, but I'm afraid he departs from the facts on several points. For one, Colin Powell's reputation for integrity was badly damaged by his complicity in Bush administration deceptions and his refusal to challenge those deceptions even after he left service. It's true; I might have voted for the man. But, like many others who once admired him, I don't want to see him in government service again. He spurned my confidence, and many more Americans will tell you the same.
Senator and Mrs. Obama did make the remarks trkdrvr complains about. Both remarks were unscripted, off the cuff, and incidental to the larger point each was making. They both offered candid explanations of what they meant as soon as they were asked.
We should each decide for ourselves what to accept from their explanations. However, shouldn't we read the statements and the explanations in their entirety before we claim to have an opinion about them? (An opinion is informed and considered. An emotional reaction need not be either, and is less likely to reflect the facts of the case.)
So here are the remarks in their contexts, each followed by the explanation offered. I find the Obamas quite candid, even humble, about these questions and their own place in the American story. A bonus response to the Rev. Wright flap is folded in.
abc.com March 20, 2008 2:24 PM
In an interview with sports radio 610 WIP in Philly early this morning, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, said "the point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person, who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, well there's a reaction that's in our experiences that won't go away and can sometimes come out in the wrong way. And that's just the nature of race in our society. We have to break through it."
abcnews.com March 21, 2008 4:22 PM
At a press conference today, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, was asked to clarify just what he meant when he called his grandmother a "typical white person" (see yesterday's blog post) as well as which controversial remarks he did hear in church.
His response, per ABC News' Sunlen Miller:
"What I was trying to express is something I expressed in the speech, which is that we all harbor stereotypes. That doesn’t make us bad people. It’s simply pointing out that – and by the way, the context in which I stated that is the fear of young black men on the streets. That’s not even unique to white people. African-Americans have incorporated those stereotypes.
"Part of what the speech was about was the stereotypes that still linger in the body politic. The anger, the resentments, and the stereotypes that sometimes serve us publicly and sometimes serve us privately. They’re sometimes directed at African-Americans, but African-Americans harbor their own stereotypes, and that’s part of what was the failure of Rev. Wright’s sermons, was assuming a set of attitudes that weren’t necessarily accurate.
"So it was just a continuation of the broader point that I made. One clarification, because I’ve noticed some of the commentary about the speech – it’s been suggested by a number of conservative commentators, but even some that were favorably disposed towards the speech -- that somehow there was a flip-flop or a contradiction between previous statements about not being aware of Rev. Wright’s statements and my statement in the speech that I was aware of controversial statements he’s made.
"There’s no contradiction there. So I want to be very clear. I was not aware that he had made some of most offensive statements that had been looping on the internet and on the television news.
"I wasn’t aware of the AIDS conspiracy statement, which I think is completely out of line and off the wall.
"I wasn’t aware of his statements, 'God damn America' Those statements were not ones that I knew about until the story broke a week and a half ago.
"The 9/11 statement I became aware of in the New York Times after I announced my candidacy. And as I said in my previous statement, the reason I did not decide to leave the church was because I saw Rev. Wright retiring.
"Now, I was aware of controversial statements. As I said, he has been a fierce critic on occasion of US foreign policy and domestic policy and in fact in my first book 'Dreams of My Father,' and in 'The Audacity of Hope' I quote him making a comment about racism that I think would be considered controversial but I didn’t think was beyond the pale.
"So that’s distinction that I would make. I just wanted to make sure people were clear – I know Joe Klein had column, for example, that suggested I had admitted something that I didn’t previously, but there’s no contradiction there. I just want to make that as clear as possible."
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breitbart.tv February 18, 2008
Context of Michelle Obama's 'pride' remark: "What we have learned over this year is that hope is making a comeback. It is making a comeback. And let me tell you something -- for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment. I've seen people who are hungry to be unified around some basic common issues, and it's made me proud."
thecarpetbaggerreport.com February 20, 2008
Barack Obama, interviewed on WOAI radio in San Antonio, Texas, expressed frustration that his wife’s comments became political fodder.
“Statements like this are made and people try to take it out of context and make a great big deal out of it, and that isn’t at all what she meant,” Obama said.
“What she meant was, this is the first time that she’s been proud of the politics of America,” he said. “Because she’s pretty cynical about the political process, and with good reason, and she’s not alone. But she has seen large numbers of people get involved in the process, and she’s encouraged.”
I feel obliged to note that the more hysterical tightie rightie websites have had to make all kinds of assumptions (and even change the text of the offending remarks) to fully wind themselves up. Several of these folks quote Mrs. Obama as saying she was "finally proud of my country," which means something very different from what she did say, which was "really proud." Some mainstream news outlets left the word "really" out of the remarks for a few days. (If you listen to the speech in the C-SPAN clip, the word "really" is less loud and less clear, but loud and clear enough.) Obviously, the intensifier "really" makes clear Mrs. Obama has always been proud of her country; she was/is simply more proud than ever before. And she says why, right there.
The hysterics also insist that Senator Obama must be aware of every single thing Rev. Wright said in 20 years of sermonizing. (Or, conversely, that everything Wright said in 20 years was equally nuts.) The fact is that the Senator didn't attend every week's service, often due to his responsibilities in the Illinois legislature and then in the US Senate. Besides, you church folk: what was the subject of your minister's sermon three weeks ago? Back when I was dragged to services, I don't recall hearing even a moment's conversation about any sermon. Suddenly the sermon is the point of church?
If your minister said in the midst of some sermon three years ago that children make delicious barbecue, and you missed it one way or another, are you responsible for those remarks? You are? Really, you are?
It's suddenly a new political age, in which every single offhand remark is not only written down - it's on video! President Bush asked a crowd of rich white folk to turn off their video cameras last week so that he could crack that the current financial crisis happened when "Wall Street got drunk." Hilarious! Especially from a cocaholic! We only know about this latest expression of compassionate conservatism because somebody kept his phone pointed at the podium. Everyone in public life is under this wall to wall scrutiny now, and that's new. We all have to learn to judge which remarks are poorly phrased and easily misinterpreted, and which express the real values of a heartless, clueless a55hole.
I mean, what what would we get if we followed you around all day and night, recording video ? Would every single thing you said and did be exactly what you meant?
Cheers!
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 8/6/2008 1:43:35 AM |
USA is still racist. It is racist now and was even worse in the past. America's past racism continues to have an effect in the present. Since whites were able to own property, procure loans, hold jobs and attend schools all of which were off-limits to people of colour, the wealth accumulated by those previously privileged whites, elevated by law above all non-whites, has been passed down. I know a lot of whites are tired of hearing about these things. But guess what ? Black people are a lot more tired of living it.
You're right , we are very tired of hearing that garbage....
The same sort of case of historic discrimination could be made for American's of Chinese or Irish ancestory .....how would you explain their success ?
How did they rise above ?
BTW..Do American blacks have a much better standard of living than African blacks?
Weren't all races a victim of discrimination at some point in history?
Were blacks always fair to other blacks? What's going on in Zimbabwe right now ?
I don't think there is any "white privilege" The "white privilege" political agenda is a form of racial hatred directed towards whites.
In fact , at the present , I think "affirmative action" makes for a LEGAL black privilege.
However , I do think there is a REAL black disadvantage in having an ongoing victim identity that white liberals are co-dependent of . White liberals are a very big part of black problems , don't buy into their hopeless victim/oppressor ideology.
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 8/6/2008 6:07:01 AM |
Originally Posted By Varrtyke
The same sort of case of historic discrimination could be made for American's of Chinese or Irish ancestory .....how would you explain their success ?
How did they rise above ?
When white people say to me 'What about Asian/Chinese, they doing well" I often think about the Chinese women working twelve hours a day in sweatshops both abroad and in places to make clothes for white people like you; and I wondered, in what sense were they doing so well ? I thought about the Chinese families whose members have to put in eighty hours a week just to keep their heads above water; and I wondered, in what sense were they doing so well ? I thought about the Asian taxi drivers who endure crappy working conditions, customers who get pissy about their accents.
It’s funny this “Asian/Chinese are doing well” myth is rarely pushed by Asians/Chinese themselves but it’s used to say to we black folks, "Stop complaining about racism and just work harder" The fact is the black population represents a cross-section of background, the Asian community is highly self-selected. Asian immigrants are largely drawn from an occupational and educational elite in their countries of origin. To claim superior Chinese culture as the reasons for achievement in the U.S. requires you to ignore the rampant poverty of persons from the same backgrounds in their countries of origin. There is no shortage, after all, of desperately poor Asians in the slums of China.
If you truly believe that chinese are just so successful add to the quality of schools and workplaces, then why aren't you clamoring for a massive increase in immigration from China ? Why not flood the borders, since you could all benefit from a little more Chinese genius ? Why not have white bosses step down from their positions and let Chinese managers take their place ? Also to argue "Asians have made it, so why can't blacks ?" is like having my leg is blown off in an industrial accident, then you turning round and pointing out that many people with only one leg go on to succeed.
As for the Irish, Firstly remember they are still white. and thus have privileges that we black people don't have. You see, when the Irish first came to the USA in the mid to late 1800s they Irish had almost no experience with blacks, such that they would have had an opportunity to develop anti-black biases rooted in first-hand negative experiences. Yet, they had had considerable experience with the English, most all of which had been negative: centuries of overt oppression, virtual enslavement and state terror imposed upon the Irish by Anglos.
But did they hate the English ? Well yes, at first, but they were STILL white and yes, it would have made sense for them to join the fight against slavery--indeed they were implored to do so by their religious leaders in the mother country--because they had been the "slaves of the British" for generations. But in fact, after a very short time in the states, Irish immigrants were rioting against blacks (as with the New York draft riots during the Civil War), joining in the barring of blacks from labor unions, and seeking to "become white" by assimilating to the white WASP system that was firmly in place. The Irish recognized the status differences between those who were white and those who were not, and, desiring to be closer to the top than the bottom, swallowed their pride, joined the club of whiteness, and collaborated with the oppression of we black people. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2008 6:21:03 AM | varrtyke, as a "white liberal", I have to say that the health and wealth of black people are quite a bit more improved in what I see now than before civil rights when I was a kid.
The people didnt change, but the laws did. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 8/6/2008 6:24:09 AM |
Originally Posted By Varrtyke
I don't think there is any "white privilege" The "white privilege" political agenda is a form of racial hatred directed towards whites.
In fact , at the present , I think "affirmative action" makes for a LEGAL black privilege.
If you could take a pill, where you would still be seen as white to the people who KNOW you and you would STILL be white when you looked in the mirror but you would be seen as black to the people who DON'T know you, such employers, bank managers, police officers and strangers you who have to ask for a job or a loan.
Would you take that pill ?
I mean, you say "affirmative action makes for a LEGAL black privilege" and it’s just so advantageous to be black. So if you took this pill then you would be able to go out there with your 'Black Self', and get all these goodies that we black people supposedly get. So what your saying is 'Yes, GODAMMIT !! I want to be seen as black, in the eyes of Employers, Police Officers, Landlords'
If you REALLY believed that white people are now the ones that are discriminated against. If you REALLY believed in what your saying, then you would take as many pills as you can get. However it does not need any list of statistics or data to let white people know, that taken that pill would put them in a worse position in the eyes employers, police, bankers. There is not one (I repeat) NOT ONE white person that would take that pill, NOT ONE. Fact is, real evidence of anti-white bias in the workplace is EXTRAORDINARILY rare. But you see, if it is whites who are now the victims, then the REAL claims of black or brown people will start to make little sense. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 8/6/2008 6:42:10 AM |
Originally Posted By Varrtyke
What's going on in Zimbabwe right now ?
Simply speaking, UK and America control most of the huge mineral reserves in Zimbabwe which are crucial to western impearlism. Britain want FULL control of the vast mineral resources like diamonds, gold, platinum, copper which Africa has in abundance and which is virtually all in the hands of western owned companies like Anglo American , SHELL, BP. Mr. Mugabe's PRO Nationalist policies go against their HUGE interest. This is why they were so angered at the elections in Zimbabwe to the point where they went to the UN to try to freeze Mugabe's assets and prevent him from traveling from over seas, they failed. Russia and China voted against it. They don't hate Mugabe because the think ordinary Zimbabweans are suffering. They don't give a F***K about ordinary Zimbabweans. No, no, what they care about is the white farmer’s loss of land and power and Zimbabwe's mineral wealth.
So the deep hyper-inflation ravaging their economy is because they starve for foreign exchange because Mugabe dared to try to return some of the vast, stolen land-holdings to Zimbabweans, the U.S, Britain, IMF, World Bank have waged a relentless economic almost psychotic war against the country, then when the problems that they created result in starvation and chaos they broadcast these pictures around the world as if to say 'Look at these crazy people, savages. Aren't they ? Mugabe is a beast. Remember the media can make a good man look like a devil and wicked man look like a saint. Britain and the USA want their own puppet dictator, who they can pay off, so he will go along with their wishes. So don’t be fooled by the concern that Britain and USA has for the people of Zimbabwe. As I said earlier they don’t give a F**K about Zimbabweans. It’s all a carefully scripted plan to protect their huge mineral wealth in Zimbabwe and Africa in general.
Mugabe and his government already plans to bring back the huge mineral reserves so it is controlled by Zimbabweans. You see, Britain FEAR Mugabe because they believe that if he is successful then other indigenous people of Southern Africa, will want their looted and stolen property back from the white European thieves. In S.AFRICA, since freedom, little or no LAND REFORM of any great significance has taken place, and the same in BOTSWANA, ZAMBIA, and NANIBIA. This is what the IMPEARLIST fear the most. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 8/6/2008 7:41:03 AM |
Originally Posted By Varrtyke
The same sort of case of historic discrimination could be made for American's of Chinese or Irish ancestory .....how would you explain their success ?
How did they rise above ?
When white people say to me 'What about Asian/Chinese, they doing well" I often think about the Chinese women working twelve hours a day in sweatshops both abroad and in places to make clothes for people like you; and I wondered, in what sense were they doing so well ? I thought about the Chinese families whose members have to put in eighty hours a week just to keep their heads above water; and I wondered, in what sense were they doing so well ? I thought about the Asian taxi drivers who endure crappy working conditions, customers who get pissy about their accents.
It’s funny this “Asian/Chinese are doing well” myth is rarely pushed by Asians/Chinese themselves but it’s used to say to we black folks, "Stop complaining about racism and just work harder" The fact is the black population represents a cross-section of background, the Asian community is highly self-selected. Chinese/ Asian immigrants are largely drawn from an occupational and educational elite in their countries of origin. To claim superior Chinese culture as the reasons for achievement in the U.S. requires you to ignore the rampant poverty of persons from the same backgrounds in their countries of origin. There is no shortage, after all, of desperately poor Asians in the slums of China.
If you truly believe that chinese are just so successful add to the quality of schools and workplaces, then why aren't you clamoring for a massive increase in immigration from China ? Why not flood the borders, since you could all benefit from a little more Chinese genius ? Why not have white bosses step down from their positions and let Chinese managers take their place ? Also to argue "Asians have made it, so why can't blacks ?" is like having my leg is blown off in an industrial accident, then you turning round and pointing out that many people with only one leg go on to succeed.
As for the Irish, firstly remember they are still white, and thus have privileges that we black people don't have. You see, when the Irish first came to the USA in the mid to late 1800s they Irish had almost no experience with blacks. Yet, they had had considerable experience with the English, most all of which had been negative: centuries of overt oppression, virtual enslavement and state terror imposed upon the Irish by Anglos.
But did they hate the English ? Well yes, at first, but they were STILL white and yes, it would have made sense for them to join the fight against slavery--indeed they were implored to do so by their religious leaders in the mother country--because they had been the "slaves of the British" for generations. But in fact, after a very short time in the states, Irish immigrants were rioting against blacks (as with the New York draft riots during the Civil War), joining in the barring of blacks from labor unions, and seeking to "become white" by assimilating to the white WASP system that was firmly in place. The Irish recognized the status differences between those who were white and those who were not, and, desiring to be closer to the top than the bottom, swallowed their pride, joined the club of whiteness, and collaborated with the oppression of we black people. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 8/6/2008 2:35:44 PM |
varrtyke, as a "white liberal", I have to say that the health and wealth of black people are quite a bit more improved in what I see now than before civil rights when I was a kid.
The people didnt change, but the laws did.
I don't agree .
Black people have a higher rate of real poverty , single mother households and an explosion in incarceration rates etc. etc..
The socialist inspired welfare state is an unmitigated disaster for everyone .
Times were a changing or evolving because of the people and there inherint sense and desire for fairness , not because of the laws . | |
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Posted: 8/6/2008 2:38:52 PM |
When white people say to me 'What about Asian/Chinese, they doing well" I often think about the Chinese women working twelve hours a day in sweatshops both abroad and in places to make clothes for people like you;
I was speaking of Asian Americans .
You have got to be kidding that I am some sort of co-slave holder to the former red chinese turned sweat shop "capitalists" to make my shirts ? !
That's crazy think.
Mugabe and his government already plans to bring back the huge mineral reserves so it is controlled by Zimbabweans. You see, Britain FEAR Mugabe because they believe that if he is successful then other indigenous people of Southern Africa, will want their looted and stolen property back from the white European thieves. In S.AFRICA, since freedom, little or no LAND REFORM of any great significance has taken place, and the same in BOTSWANA, ZAMBIA, and NANIBIA. This is what the IMPEARLIST fear the most.
Mugabe is not an enemy of the establishment , he is a puppet of the establi$hment to lay Zimbabwe low by creating social strife ( terror directed at white farmers and "reactionist opposing blacks") and continue the exploitation of that countries resources . This is why the terror in Zimbabwe has been largely ignored by the establishment and it's media for many years now . The establishment has been promoting left wing revolution throughout africa in order to have their way with that continent.
I don't think you understand the who- what- why and how of socialism in Africa.
The liberal e$tablishment is an enemy of white and black alike.
The e$tablishment wants you to remain in your victim mentality , you're very easy to "use" that way.
The Irish recognized the status differences between those who were white and those who were not, and, desiring to be closer to the top than the bottom, swallowed their pride, joined the club of whiteness, and collaborated with the oppression of we black people.
I don't even think this insane notion deserves a response ....other than...say what???!
I'm going to simplify this whole contorversy with one very simple truth :
Whites would be much better off , if blacks were productive and successful .
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 8/6/2008 10:19:00 PM | WOULD PEOPLE THINK DIFFERENT OF OBAMA IF HIS FATHER WAS WHITE AND HIS MOTHER BLACK?
DO YOU THINK IF OBAMA WAS MIXED WHITE/ CHEROKEE INDIAN WOULD THINGS BE WORSE DUE TO THE HOW AMERICA WAS FOUND IN HISTORY?
Why is everyone trying to tie him to his pastor. Every pastor in there career at some point made a mistake or mistakes of saying things that are not completely accurate. If you believe it look at what this new pope said he had to go back and correct it due to some offended people. You don't have to cast them out as being bad. What you do is disagree and agree to the things that are agreeable. People always try to cause divisions withthe race card. The fact are Obama is not BLACK or WHITE he is what you call MIX. Being MIX is no different than a LATINO/ASIAN or INDIAN/WHITE or FRENCH/MEXICAN or BLACK/ ASIAN the list goes on.
Mix happens to be one of the search picks on this personals site. Some people teach there kids at a early age to classify them selfs as being MIX out of respect for eachs race heritage instead of making it a White or Black pick issue between both race. However people have the right to identify themselves with which they feel may fit there personality type preferance. Obama choose black due to the fact he feels that race fits his personality and taste better. If you notice who he is married to you will see why.......... Michelle happens to be black. If I was to guess I would say Obama is more like his mother due to the fact she persuede a relationship with a black guy Obama persued a black lady.
If I was Obama I would have classified myself as being Mixed and let the media figure what my personality is more like to identify myself more as. I ask myself I wonder if people would think different of Obama if his father was white and his mother was black. | |
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Posted: 8/7/2008 8:55:05 AM | I WOULD RATHER DO BUISINESS WITH A POOR SALESMAN WHO HAS A OLD RAGEDY SUITE THAN WITH A CORPORATE SALESMAN WITH A NEW SUITE.
I think we could use a change of race when it comes to a president not because I am black. The reason I feel we need a change is because people abroad see president Bush in there eyes as a crooked blue collar corporate buisiness worker in a suit in countrys overseas for the sole purpose of benefits for the wealthy here in the United States and buisiness purposes for investors. Ask yourself if you where poor and you had just a little money to start a buisiness would you trust investing your buisiness with someone who already has plenty of money and absolutely nothing to lose not to mention long history of Greed and ego or would you invest your money with a poor mixed black and white guy who was not born with spoon in his mouth in the same boat with just a little money also to invest .
Well I just painted picture for you so you can see how people view American presidents in suites.. Just because a American presidents shakes hands with a leader in another country and smiles for a picture in front of the camera does not mean the leader of that country does not know of forgot our greed tendencys in history over power. Lets not forget we dropped a nuke on China years ago when nukes was not allowed in war disputes. Now the US has turned the table wanting to be for peace and is afraid of Iran building a nuke. I can understand why US feels the way they do about Iran making nukes but in order to get respect you have to have a history of giving respect and practicing what you preach to develop better relationship with other countrys abroad that goes further than just shaking hands and taking pictures. The US fearS the Irans could possibly make a nuke and use nukes on the US but the US used nukes on China during a war when the US was not suppose to use them. I just painted another picture how some countrys feel about us. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 8/7/2008 2:30:01 PM | The only reason Obama is (for all intents and purposes) the Democratic nominee is because that party just can't come up with anybody else. For the last several years their senators and congressmen have been screwing up by the numbers (gas pices, anyone?). Now that Slick Willie failed to have Hillary installed to follow in his footsteps the Democrats are grabbing at straws and are twisting and spinning anything or anybody they can find to serve their purposes.
From what I have read, Obama's mother was white. Sometimes his people use that to soften his image. Sometimes his people try to pass him off as the savior of the Black race. They have failed to learn that they can't try to BS everybody all the time without somebody waking up.
I agree that this election is becoming more and more about race versus the issues that really count. The war, the economy, gas prices, unemployment are just a few items these candidates need to get serious about. I don't care what color Obama is. His race is a non-issue. We Americans are all in this together. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 8/8/2008 5:02:00 PM | AMERICA NEEDS TO BECOME MORE SELLERS NOT BUYERS
We have almost nothing manufactured here in the USA we can be proud about selling except for beef and that is becoming something that is not 100 percent a demand
Well you are absolutely right Obama can't do no more than what Bill Clinton did as democrat. You have to understand this is the first time in history someone who has any kind African in them has a good shot at becoming a president. However going down in history is one thing actions are a another. I feel with his career being such a important event in history I don't think he would risk being put in the books (Genis book of world records) as being the worse African American president in history to bring little or no change. With all this at stake he would work harder then the avarage silver spoon Republican to make sure things are on point. I disagree with you on black people feeling Obama is Superman and he will rescue everybody including lazy people that try to manipulate the welfare system. I do feel hard workers and college students and disabled and retired black whites that are working a long hours could use a Democrats help with enconomic issues here in the US. America needs to stop relying on other countrys for everything we need. We are getting the point we have almost nothing here to offer other countrys be food. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 10/3/2008 6:18:45 PM | | I think we will soon find out. If McCain decides to go negative and approve the release of racially divisive ads( because he is trailing in the polls). If those ads work, then perhaps we can answer that question. | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 10/3/2008 10:21:27 PM | | Racism is still very widespread. I have an aunt that said if Obama was elected than the country was going to the n-. And that it would have been better if all the n- were just killed off. A large portion of her family feels the same, including the 8-year-old granddaughter. If you don't believe that it still exsists, just visit a small town in the south. I just moved to one and am amazed at how ignorant and behind the time it is here. It's really sad. I thought racism was dead until I moved here. How wrong I was. BTW, I mentioned that I was voting for Obama and my aunt heard. She doesn't care for me anymore. I'm an "ignorant, liberal communist". | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 10/15/2008 6:19:26 PM | I say **** em both!
I'm writin in Colbert Stewart 08
hell of a lot better than Obama Biden 08 or McCain Pailin 08
Colbert for PREZ!!!! | |
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| Is U.S.America Rasist? Obama is White
Posted: 10/22/2008 12:53:47 PM | Huntley Brown is a pianist with the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association. He is a Jamaican
and his wife, Annette, is from the island of Barbados .
Huntley is a graduate of Judson Baptist College and NIU. He has a Master's in Piano performance
from Northern IllinoisUniversity .
Why I Can't Vote For Obama
By Huntley Brown
Dear Friends,
A few months ago I was asked for my perspective on Obama, I sent out an
email with a few points. With the election just around the corner I decided
to complete my perspective.
First, I must say whomever wins the election will have my prayer support.
Obama needs to be commended for his accomplishments, but I need to explain
why I will not be voting for him.
Many of my friends process their identity through their blackness.
I process my identity through Christ. Being a Christian (a Christ follower)
means He leads, I follow. I can't dictate the terms He does because He is
the leader .
I can't vote black because I am black, I have to vote Christian because
that's who I am. Christian first, black second. Neither should anyone from
the other ethnic groups vote because of ethnicity. 200 years from now I
won't be asked if I was black or white. I will be asked if I knew Jesus and
accepted Him as Lord and Savior.
In an election there are many issues to consider but when a society gets
abortion, same-sex marriage, embryonic stem-cell research, and human cloning
wrong, economic concerns will soon not matter.
We need to follow Martin Luther King's words, don't judge someone by the
color of their skin but by the content of their character. I don't know
Obama so all I can go off is his voting record.
His voting record earned him the title of the most liberal senator in the US
Senate in 2007.
NATIONAL JOURNAL: Obama: Most Liberal Senator in 2007 (1/31/2008).
To beat Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clintonas the most liberal senator takes
some doing. Obama accomplished this feat in two short years. I wonder what
would happen to Americaif he had four years to work with.
There is a reason Planned Parenthood gives him a 100 % rating.
There is a reason the homosexual community supports him.
There is a reason Ahmadinejad, Chavez, Castro, Hamas, etc., love him.
There is a reason he said he would nominate liberal judges to the Supreme
Court.
There is a reason he voted against the infanticide bill.
There is a reason he voted No on the constitutional ban of same-sex
marriage.
There is a reason he voted No on banning partial birth abortion.
There is a reason he voted No on confirming Justices Roberts and Alito.
These two judges are conservatives and they have since overturned partial
birth abortion--the same practice Obama wanted to continue.
Let's take a look at the practice he wanted to continue.
The 5 Step Partial Birth Abortion procedure
A. Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist grabs the baby's leg with forceps.
(Remember, this is a live baby.)
B. The baby's leg is pulled out into the birth canal.
C. The abortionist delivers the baby's entire body, except for the head.
D. The abortionist jams scissors into the baby's skull. The scissors are
then opened to enlarge the hole.
E. The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is inserted. The child's
brains are sucked out, causing the skull to collapse. The dead baby is then
removed.
God help him.
There is a reason Obama opposed the parental notification law.
Think about this: you can't give a kid an aspirin without parental
notification, but that same kid can have an abortion without parental
notification. This is insane.
There is a reason he went to Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years. Obama
tells us he has good judgment, but he sat under Jeremiah Wright teaching for
20 years. Now he is condemning Wright's sermons. I wonder why now?
Obama said Jeremiah Wright led him to the Lord and discipled him. A disciple
is one in training. Jesus told us in Matthew 28:19 - 20 'Go and make
disciples of all nations.' This means reproduce yourself. Teach people to
think like you, walk like you, talk like you believe what you believe, etc.
The question I have is, what did Jeremiah Wright teach him?
Would you support a white President who went to a church which has tenets
that said they have a:
1. Commitment to the white community.
2. Commitment to the white family.
3. Adherence to the white work ethic.
4. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available
to the white community .
5. Pledge to allocate regularly, a portion of personal resources for
strengthening and supporting white institutions.
6. Pledge allegiance to all white leadership who espouse and embrace the
white value system.
7. Personal commitment to embracement of the white value system.
Would you support a President who went to a church like that?
Just change the word from white to black and you have the tenets of Obama's
former church. If President Bush was a member of a church like this, he
would be called a racist. Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton would have been
marching outside.
This kind of church is a racist church. Obama did not wake up after 20 years
and just discover he went to a racist church.
The church can't be about race. Jesus did not come for any particular race.
He came for the whole world.
A church can't have a value system based on race. The church's value system
has to be based on biblical mandate. It does not matter if its a white
church or a black church--it's still wrong. Anyone from either race who
attends a church like this would never get my vote.
Obama's former Pastor Jeremiah Wright is a disciple of liberal theologian
James Cone, author of the 1970 book, "A Black Theology of Liberation." Cone
wrote: 'Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally
with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against
white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him."
Cone is the man Obama's mentor looks up to. Does Obama believe this?
So what does all this mean for the nation?
In the past when the Lord brought someone with the beliefs of Obama to lead
a nation it meant one thing -- judgment.
Read 1 Samuel 8 when Israel asked for a king.
First God says in 1 Samuel 1:9 'Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly
and let them know what the king who will reign over them will do.'
Then God says, 1 Samuel 1:18 ' When that day comes, you will cry out for
relief from the king you have chosen, and the LORD will not answer you in
that day.' 19 But the people refused to listen to Samuel. 'No!' they said.
'We want a king over us. 20 Then we will be like all the other nations, with
a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles.' 21 When
Samuel heard all that the people said, he repeated it before the LORD. 22
The LORD answered, 'Listen to them and give them a king.'
Here is what we know for sure.
God is not schizophrenic.
He would not tell one person to vote for Obama and one to vote for McCain.
As the scripture says, a city divided against itself cannot stand, so
obviously many people are not hearing from God.
Maybe I am the one not hearing, but I know God does not change and Obama
contradicts many things I read in scripture so I doubt it.
For all my friends who are voting for Obama, can you really look God in the
face and say; "Father based on your word, I am voting for Obama even though
I know he will continue the genocidal practice of partial birth abortion. He
might have to nominate three or four supreme court justices, and I am sure
he will be nominating liberal judges who will be making laws that are
against you. I also know he will continue to push for homosexual rights,
even though you destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for this. I know I can look the
other way because of the economy."
I could not see Jesus agreeing with many of Obama's positions. Finally I
have two questions for all my liberal friends.
Since we know someone's value system has to be placed on the nation,
1. Whose value system should be placed on the nation?
2. Who should determine that this is the right value system for the nation? | |
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