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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/13/2008 11:55:21 AM |
I would bet that even a fifth grader could spell the word 'choice' correct... This year there is no 'Choise'.
While we are on the topic of smearing.....
rodnreal Joined: 12/9/2006 Msg: 184 (view) What will come first female president or black president. Posted: 1/29/2007 5  23 PM i'm new to this 'forum' thing but for some reason i had to chime in on this one. and for the record, i'm niether a democrat or a republican and honestly i could careless about politics.
I think that same fifth grader could probably spell neither , too. and capitalize his "I"' in I.
We ALL make errors from time to time, especially in spelling, including me. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/13/2008 12:04:22 PM | So McCain supporters are running scared, huh?
You should, he talks out of both sides of his mouth. Did you actually ever listen to
him?
Examples; He voted for the war on bogus information provided by Bush and his so-called intelligence...Let's not forget that vote!
McCain told the American people that the invasion of Iraq would be quick and over within a very short period of time, " the mission would have been accomplished".
Sound familiar...the "Mission Accomplished" statement, first uttered by BUSH. Remember the setting for that speech? Nice set-up, wasn't it?
In a speech to our troops in Iraq, (I prefer the word soldiers, it's more personal), McCain
stated "I helped make the decision to send you here again ...shouldn't that
be again and again and again and sometimes yet again? How many tours is that? Is that his idea of a quick and easy (?) war?
Another speech, he claims Iraq was a threat to the American people. They were?
When did that happen, where was I, did the American people miss something?
We certainly did, we missed the lies told to us by our own President and most members of Congress and the Senate. With one of the exceptions being
Barack Obama, whose education and intelligence allowed him to vote against
the war when the pressure to vote for it was so astounding. He stoood by his values and his knowledge.
McCain spoke to the Israelies stating 'both our countries are democracies', really?
Then where is our acceptance of countries who have different beliefs? How
can a democracy discriminate against so many cultures, religions, and race,
as well as sex discrimination (still exists, yes), and how can we discriminate
against people whose sexual orientation is different from one's own? This
is what we consider democratic practice? Not mine!
McCain did not support CHIP, he voted against insurance for children who
have no coverage.
Yet by the same token, he authorized billions for the Iraq war. And let's
not get into the 'care' for our soldiers. It is abominable to know how lacking
in funding our Veteran's Administration is and how ill-treated many of our
troops are when they return from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Many
are even turned away with no help at all.
Oh and don't forget how McCain voted for and was an advocate for the surge
of soldiers to Iraq.....his words "the surge is working", if that is so, then why
does he insist we need our men and women there for a hundred years. His own
words....'we cannot bring the troops home and leave Iraq', so his decision for the surge and a quick victory did not include bringing home our soldiers? Obviously not.
Give me a break....vote Republican? If so, look forward to more of the
same BUSH policies and a worsening economy. It is my belief that with
continued policies such as those offered by Bush and McCain, our country
is headed eventually toward a revolution.
Obama will have a mess to clean up in Washington, but I know he is up to that
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Posted: 6/13/2008 12:07:40 PM | Aren't you aware that statement you 'could care less' actually means that you 'could care ... but less'.....you should say you 'couldn't care less' that is self-explanatory....get it? COULDN'T CARE either less or more.
Why can't American's speak proper English? | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/13/2008 12:17:28 PM | Examples; He voted for the war on bogus information
provided by Bush and his so-called intelligence...Let's not
forget that vote!
Umm gotta love the onesided view here. You forgot to add...so did the
majority of Congress, just thought I would let everyone know this.
Barack Obama, whose education and intelligence allowed him
to vote against the war when the pressure to vote for it was so
astounding. He stoood by his values and his knowledge.
Oh really? Then according to this statment alone, then you must
agree that he was stupid and did NOT utilize his education when
he voted against bringing our troops home by 2008?
McCain spoke to the Israelies stating 'both our countries are democracies', really?
Then where is our acceptance of countries who have different beliefs? How
can a democracy discriminate against so many cultures, religions, and race,
as well as sex discrimination (still exists, yes), and how can we discriminate
against people whose sexual orientation is different from one's own? This
is what we consider democratic practice? Not mine!
You are comparing democracy to tolerance. This is an unfair
comparison. Don't blame McCain individually for this, blame religion
and all nations for not being tolerant of all individuals. This
would sound more intelligent as well as truthful.
And let's
not get into the 'care' for our soldiers. It is abominable to know how lacking
in funding our Veteran's Administration is and how ill-treated many of our
troops are when they return from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Many
are even turned away with no help at all.
Yet you have been viewed on other posts supporting authorizing
billions of dollars to expand a GI Bill which is already adequate
as it so stands, where do you think they take funds to fund this
venture? The Veteran Affairs. You sound very hypocritical in your
stance. You complain about the va not being funded but yet you want
billions poured into extending the GI Bill? Doesn't make sense to
me. You are basically stating that it's not ok to take funds away from the VA to aid in the war effort, but it's ok to take away funds from the VA to fund a GI Bill that does not need improving. Hogwash you are still advocating screwing over military veterans so you speaking of veterans not being taken care of does not make sense when you are advocating for funds to be taken away to aid in an improved GI Bill which does not need improving. I must also add where your stance does not make sense...you advocate being against the war, but yet supporting the new GI bill will be a lure to lead our men/women into the military while sending them to war. It makes no sense whatsoever.
Obama will have a mess to clean up in Washington, but I know he is up to that
task!
Obama will create an even larger mess. He has no experience as well
as no ideas in actually instituting anything. He is so busy flip
flopping within his stances that he is not trustworthy. He takes
no true stances, more times to none, he changes his mind as well
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/13/2008 12:22:29 PM | The obama sure did good making sure to distance himself from the Countrywide mess. I know some of you will say, "It just shows more bad judgement on The obama's part."
http://www.nypost.com/seven/06132008/news/nationalnews/loan_sleaze_spreads_115310.htm
LOAN SLEAZE SPREADS
2 SENATORS GOT 'EXEC PAL' DEALS
By DAREH GREGORIAN
June 13, 2008 --
Two influential US senators got "VIP" loans from a leading subprime mortgage lender that saved them tens of thousands of dollars, it was reported last night.
The Democratic pols, Chris Dodd of Connecticut and Kent Conrad of North Dakota, both received the highly favorable loans under the designation "Friend of Angelo," a reference to embattled Countrywide head Angelo Mozilo, Condé Nast Portfolio reported.
Dodd is chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, while Conrad is chairman of the Budget Committee and a member of the Finance Committee. The two senators refinanced properties through the VIP program in 2003 and 2004, the report said.
Others who received "FOA" loans include Alphonso Jackson, the secretary of Housing and Urban Development under President Bush who resigned in April, and Donna Shalala, who was secretary of Health and Human Services in the Clinton administration.
The report came one day after Democratic heavyweight Jim Johnson stepped down as chief of Barack Obama's vice-presidential search committee after revelations he'd gotten Countrywide loans at very favorable rates because of Mozilo.
Citing company documents and e-mails, the report says the FOAs paid lower fees, and if rates fell while a loan was pending, the VIPs would get a free "float-down" while regular customers had to pay a surcharge.
Dodd reportedly received two loans through the program in 2003 - $506,000 to refinance his Washington town house, and $275,042 to refinance a home in Connecticut. The more favorable terms saved him about $70,000, the report says.
The company has also contributed $21,000 to Dodd's campaigns since 1997, but the senator proposed a bill last year that was averse to the company's lending practices, the report noted.
Conrad borrowed $1 million to refinance his vacation home, and saved at least $10,000.
Conrad said he never met Mozilo, and "I never asked for, expected or was aware of any special treatment." Dodd had no immediate comment, but his wife told Portfolio two other lenders they'd checked with offered comparable interest rates.
Jackson took out loans totaling $653,331 in 2003 and 2004 while he was deputy HUD secretary, with the latter loan coming through a week before he was named secretary. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/13/2008 12:28:19 PM | Obama is in the process of offering us ideas. ~ so far, I haven't smelt anything bad.
Lets hear a few of them.
It hasn't even begun to heat up yet.
Fortunately the Dems provided lots of cannon fodder for the Repubs.
Obamas questionable friends.
His wifes questionable statements.
His leftist agenda.
His questionable relationship with Scarlet Johanson.
The Jim Johnson connection.
Hi chastising of Joe Lieberman exposed his legendary anger.
The list continues.... | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/13/2008 12:34:11 PM | You might add The obama's refusal to be put in the position to answer questions. He just wants an environment to make statements...no question please.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/06/why_wont_obama_agree_to_townha.html
June 13, 2008
Why Won't Obama Agree to Townhalls?
By Mort Kondracke
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) got an answer from Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) Tuesday on his proposal for 10 town hall-style debates: Not going to happen. That's too bad - and, the fewer there are, the more Obama should suffer for it politically.
The town halls not only would give ordinary citizens a chance to ask the candidates some pointed questions (see suggestions below), but - because they would be nationally televised - they would let voters nationwide see how the candidates handle challenges from across the political spectrum.
When Obama was debating Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) and - in the distant past - when McCain debated his GOP rivals, the Democrats rarely got tough questions premised from the right, or the Republicans, from the left.
McCain has challenged Obama to 10 joint appearances to take place before the national conventions. Obviously, McCain thinks they're to his advantage because Obama is such a better orator and McCain performs well in informal settings.
Moreover, McCain - with less money to spend than Obama - wants the free national exposure that the town halls would provide. Obama is ahead in the polls and probably doesn't want to risk his advantage on possibly risky joint appearances.
So, on Tuesday, Obama told reporters, "You know what we've said is we are happy to do more than the three typical presidential debates in the fall ... We hope to have negotiations soon."
He added, "It's not realistic for us to do 10 ... It will probably be somewhat fewer than 10 but more than the three that have been already agreed to, and we'll probably propose a mix of formats."
That's a far cry from the ideal - 10 or more free-wheeling, longish (say, 90 minutes) exchanges centered on a specific topic area but with time left for random (say, political) inquiries. The questioners could be a mix of ordinary citizens and policy experts, maybe with a media person occasionally thrown in.
The ideal would be an exchange very soon on Topic A - gasoline prices, energy policy and environmental policy. Sample question: Senators, you both complain about high gasoline prices but also favor a cap-and-trade system to control global warming. That surely will raise energy prices - in fact, it's meant to. How does that square?
Also, you both oppose drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and off-shore, yet you talk about making the U.S. less dependent on foreign sources. How can you do that - and don't talk about 'alternatives' like wind and solar, which can't replace oil for decades?
If gas prices are Topic A, then the economy and jobs are Topic A1/2 and deserve the second exchange - also soon. McCain needs to be asked: You favor extending all the Bush tax cuts - but they haven't raised incomes for the average American. Why do you think they would in the next four years?
And, Sen. Obama, all your promises - middle-class tax cuts, infrastructure, education, health care and energy investment - will cost how much? Three trillion dollars over 10 years, as Sen. McCain charges? How are you going to pay for that with just tax increases on the wealthy, estimated to raise $1.5 trillion?
Both candidates also need to be asked: Just what are you going to do to prevent meltdowns in the housing and financial markets - and why are your solutions better than his?
There ought to be two or more debates on foreign policy - one on Iraq, one or more on the rest of the world. Question for Obama: Suppose the U.S. had followed your policy and hadn't done the surge in Iraq - wouldn't al-Qaida now be in charge of Sunni areas, radical militias of Shiite areas and wouldn't the U.S. have suffered a strategic defeat it might now avoid? That is, wasn't Sen. McCain right?
To both candidates: If diplomacy can't stop Iran's nuclear program, are you going to bomb?
There ought to be separate town halls on entitlements, education, health care and trade. So, some more questions: Sen. Obama, even AARP advocates some shaving back of retirement benefits to prevent Social Security and Medicare from going broke. Why don't you?
Sen. McCain, independent analysts say that your health care proposal - detaching insurance from the workplace - will make insurance unaffordable for older and sicker workers, and those whose kids may have pre-existing conditions. What about that?
Both of you: A third of ninth graders won't finish high school - 50 percent for minority kids. Where is the dropout crisis on your priority list? Come to think of it, both of you have put a lot of proposals out there - what will you tackle first, second and third?
So many questions, so little time. If Obama really means to change the political landscape, he ought to agree to lots of open exchanges with McCain. And if he won't, the media should ask, why not? | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/13/2008 12:42:28 PM | Actually, I think Newt Gingrich had some interesting views on what happened to the Republican party - of all people.
He said it a while a go, in reference to the upcoming Congressional elections, and it turned out he was right.
"The Republicans Must Get Their Act Together"
Monday, Mar. 27, 2006
Q. So how do the Republicans fix their problem?
A. The Republican challenge is to figure out, how big do the reforms have to be for people to decide that we get it? Because the big problem we have right now is, since the implementation isn't working, people attack the policy. So even if the policy is right, if it's not being implemented right, it feels wrong. I think the White House and the House and Senate Republicans have to understand, if they're not for very bold, dramatic reform, the country is sooner or later going to fire them.
A. The first thing you do if you're [Senate Majority Leader] Bill Frist and [House Speaker] Denny Hastert is you say to the appropriate committees, "I want hearings on this scandal in New Orleans. I want Republicans saying this is a scandal."
Remember, Ronald Reagan spent eight years in Washington without ever leaving California; these guys are actually behaving like they're in Washington. Well, you can't be a conservative Republican majority that behaves like it's in Washington. Reagan used to have a rule in Sacramento when he was in governor that if people said "we" and they meant the government of California, they had to leave. Because "we" meant the people of California, and not the government. And these guys have got to get this back in their heads.
Q. So how do you see the strategies shaping up for the two parties? Do the Democrats need an agenda of their own, similar to the Contract with America that you ran on in 1994?
A. Here's the core thing for you to think about: The Republican challenge is to get back on offense as the reform party.
The Democrats' challenge is to do one of two things. What they are going to try to do, what they should do, is say nothing except "Had enough?" If they try to wear a mask and pretend to be moderates, Republicans will cheerfully take the mask off.
So the Republican challenge is, prove to the country that this is a choice, not a referendum. The Democratic problem is make this a referendum, not a choice.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1177137,00.html
This, quite ironically, is exactly how I see the Democrats winning in November.
"Had enough?"
This core message cannot be defended by the Republicans, who sit becalmed in this Sargasso sea of failure on their ship of state. All around them, as far as the eye can see, there is little hope for a gentle breeze to fill their sails.
Off in the distance though, with a good telescope, one can see the rolling clouds starting to form into a perfect storm. | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 4:37:35 PM | MG you had better hope your candidate has something more up his sleeve than that. History proves simply saying "vote for me, cuz I'm not them" is a poor excuse for a campaign and an even poorer excuse for voting for anyone.
Democrats need to realize the McCain strategy is all about distancing himself from Bush, something that won't be that hard to do.
Nope, the only way for Obama to win is to come up with a winning platform, backed by sound policy and procedure. I'm not seeing anything yet, just a whole lotta kumbaya about Change We Can Believe In. [Copyright Protected, All Rights Reserved Void Where Prohibited By Law].
Of course, Obama could always download every initiative from the Clinton website [Change We Didn't Mastermind But Think We Can Win On - Patent Pending]. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/13/2008 4:46:20 PM | Fresh, young, and new ideas are so much better than more of the same politics as usual. But for war mongers I guess McCain is the candidate of choice.
So you think McCain has experience? I don't see the results of that experience
anywhere I look, do you? And Bush...another story....you think he has experience?
Have you taken a look around at the mess our country is in right now, and the enemies he has made around the world? I've been to many countries in Europe and let me tell you from my travels abroad, we are frowned upon by most countries, yes, even England.
As for our Veterans, I have 3 in my immediate family, so I am not being hypocritical in saying we need money for our veterans, as for the money going to Iraq...did you ever research where that money goes? I would recommend you do that before you judge my stance on Veterans. I am an avid supporter of our soldiers and veterans, the trillions of dollars going to Iraq will never be seen by our soldiers. Corruption is the name of the game in case you didn't know. On a personal note, engage brain before putting mouth in motion, ok? By the way, have you checked how many members of Congress or Senate have children fighting this war they were so eager to vote for? I did and I found one who had a child in Iraq. Where are their children? Not 'over there'.
I certainly don't advocate what either party is doing with regard to either war.
It isn't just a Republican issue, but don't forget either that it was initiated by
a Republican President in the first place. Place blame where it belongs.
Without his so called 'intelligence' (term used loosely), there wouldn't have
been a majority vote for war. However, that excuses no one for not doing the
research necessary before sending our young men and women into battle.
I am stating my feelings in no way insinuate that you must feel the same way.
I respect Barack Obama and the 'no' vote for war! That took guts and he has ideals by which he lives. | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 4:59:12 PM | And who are you saying has ideas? The Republican's, the old boy's club?
Better having someone with new ideas, than McCain who changes his response everytime
a question is put to him that requires an honest answer and who tries to please everyone. Talk about change? He only changes his mind on every issue.
I am so sick of the phrase 'no experience' another stragedy by the other party since they have nothing else to offer. He has intelligence...enough said. Bush couldn't put a complete sentence together and he was Governor of Texas. In fact, he needed tutoring to get through a speech. Give me a break...experience? He was the most inexperienced President we have ever had to tolerate. And we can thank the far right and the un/under educated for that guy. How many more days?????
Oh and yes, you want McCain to finish what Bush has left unfinished!
Maybe in a way we should let McCain clean up the mess his cohort made of this country. He can then take on the responsibility for the problems we have to face from the poor decisions of this President. For all his support of Bush, why is he now trying desperately to distance himself? | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 5:04:40 PM | Where have I stated in prior postings that I ever supported such a bill? Regardless of any differences of opinion, have respect for mine as I have for yours. I have never
posted anything regarding veterans until today. Don't know what you're talking about. | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 5:11:43 PM | And the Republicans haven't provided 'fodder'?
When I have more time I will send the list called " Values of the moral republican majority"...that will open your eyes to the deception and immorality by the same politicians who preach one thing and practice quite the opposite. | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 5:22:44 PM | The audience is pre-picked, screened, and town halls are a farce. Obama can handle himself and if you heard right, he is all for town hall meetings, just not 10 of them, he would like other formats as well. And don't you agree the moderators
ask the most stupid questions of the candidates. Questions, audience, participants, are all so practiced it is absurd. A joke, really. Didn't you watch the previous debates and town halls?
I do agree with you on the questions to be asked. You should moderate these debates, you make sense. Charles Gibson was absolutely laughable when he was
one of the moderators. Asking about wearing a flag pin...asinine!
Gee, have you ever thought of running for office? You'd get my vote! Those questions you stated above need to be answered and in a way that is forthright and honest. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/13/2008 5:23:38 PM | Fresh, young, and new ideas are so much better than more
of the same politics as usual. But for war mongers I guess McCain
is the candidate of choice.
New ideas is great! Please inform us how Obama plans on instituting
these "new", "fresh" and "young" ideas? One can spout ideas till
the day is long but without a plan, it's equivalent to spit in the
water and Obama has been doing alot of spitting.
So you think McCain has experience? I don't see the results of that experience
anywhere I look, do you?
Yes, I see it with his political record. How long as Obama been
in the House as compared to McCain? Has Obama ever served his
country? McCain has. I would state hands down that history
proves that McCain has more experience politically than Obama.
Have you taken a look around at the mess our country is
in right now, and the enemies he has made around the world? I've
been to many countries in Europe and let me tell you from my
travels abroad, we are frowned upon by most countries, yes, even
England.
Ok, and you just now found this out? I personally have known this
since I was a child, therefore, I do not understand why you state
this supposed newfound knowledge. Our nation is a Super Power
for reasons. We have allies out of "fear" more times to none, this
is called "international relations". It's only common sense that
other nations do not like us. Not new news at all.
As for our Veterans, I have 3 in my immediate family, so I
am not being hypocritical in saying we need money for our
veterans, as for the money going to Iraq...did you ever research
where that money goes? I would recommend you do that before you
judge my stance on Veterans.
I agree we need money for our veterans but in the same token, we
can not underfund our active duty military members or our Department
of Defense while doing it. Since you asked where money for war goes..
I will be more than glad to inform you where it goes.
Ordinarily, it goes to pay our active duty military members who are
in hazardous duty areas what is called "hazardous duty pay", it also
funds weapons as well as as supplies needed to live as well as to
support the war effort. It also goes to fund the many informants
we have within the theater who are Iraqi's or otherwise, if we do
not pay them, the terrorists will, so we have no choice. Don't
forget medicine as well as health and morale items which keep up
the morale of the troops.
Considering the costs of expensive tanks as well as military vehicles,
it comes as no shock to me that our nation is pouring alot of money
into this war. I do not understand why anyone feels that our military
buys tanks and apache helicopters at a "buy one get one free sale".
Equipment such as this costs millions. Tack on this the civilian
contracts which are currently in theater ripping our government off,
I would think all of this is a fair assumption of where the money
for war goes.
By the way, have you checked how many members of Congress
or Senate have children fighting this war they were so eager to
vote for? I did and I found one who had a child in Iraq. Where
are their children? Not 'over there'.
Might I suggest you research a little harder next time. These are facts.
Senator Tim Johnson D South Dakota
His son Brooks 31 was in Iraq and is a Staff Sergeant with the 101st
Airborne. He now works as a recruiter.
Rep. John Kline R. Minnesota
His son Dan is training units in Georgia to go to war.
Former Senator & Attorney General John Ashcroft R. Missouri
His son Andy is in the navy and served in the Gulf in support of
the Iraq and Afghanistan War.
Senator Christopher Bond R. Missouri
Son Sam, is in the marines and currently serving in Iraq.
Rep. Duncan Hunter R. California
Son Duane is a marine and served in Iraq.
Rep. Joe Wilson R-South Carolina.
Three sons in the military.
Alan is a captain in the army national guard and served in Iraq.
Addison is serving in the navy.
Julian is in the Army National Guard.
Senator James Webb. D-WV
Son is a marine and serving in Iraq.
Senator and presidential candidate John McCain R-Arizona.
Son is a marine and serving in the Iraq War.
Senator Joseph Biden D-Delaware
has son who is a lawyer and a 1LT in the Army National Guard.
Rep. Jim Saxton D-New Jersey
Nephew who is a marine rifleman serving in Iraq.
Rep. Marilyn Musgrave R-Colorado
Son John serving int he navy and has been sent to Iraq.
Rep. Ike Skelton R-Missouri
has a son serving in army serving in Iraq.
Rep. Todd Akin R-Missouri
has son, perry in the marines who is a combat engineer serving in Iraq.
There are more, but I"m tired of listing all of them.
I respect Barack Obama and the 'no' vote for war! That
took guts and he has ideals by which he lives.
I respect your stance, however, if that is how you feel referencing
his stance on war, then how do you feel about Obama voting against
withdrawing our troops and bringing them home with a deadline
of January 2008? Yes. He voted against this. What about his ideals?
I'm kinda confused on what they are.
Where have I stated in prior postings that I ever supported such a bill? Regardless of any differences of opinion, have respect for mine as I have for yours. I have never
posted anything regarding veterans until today. Don't know what you're talking about.
My apologies. I originally though MG wrote your posting, blame it on me not wearing my glasses. Nonetheless, you can strike the part in comment to you referencing the GI Bill expansion, however, the rest still stands. | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 7:02:56 PM | They have no facts to use, not that this was ever an issue for Fixed Noise, so they resort to lies and misinformation. . . It has worked for 28 years. . . they assume it will work again.
Finally we have someone who stands up to them!
OBAMA in 08 !!!!!! | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 7:15:43 PM | Was it racist also when, Michelle Obama referred to Barack as her "baby's daddy" on the night he won his Senate seat in 2004.
Because right or wrong that is the genesis of the quote, which was not spoken by the way but which was placed on the screen by a shortsighted producer.
Not everything is racist and that attitude "that all is" will lose the election for Mr Obama. | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 7:20:04 PM | I don't know what I'm going to do in November. I can't bring myself to vote for McCain, and I'm not an Obama gal - that's for sure. I supported Hillary and am proud to say that. Obama is going to have to do a lot more to sway me to vote for him, and here I am as a registered Democrat. Not a registered lunatic -- just yet!  I am not too pleased with either outcome. | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 8:10:56 PM | When we hear Obama speak
We hear him speak of change
Change he’ll do
Change we’ll see
Change for all he claims to be
He brings relief for the weak
Over and over the same old speak
Never details. Nothing real
It’s just the way he makes you feel
He pulls you in as if on a rope
Vote for him if you believe in hope
He’ll give you everything money can buy
Listen to him cause he won’t lie
Town hall meetings he has been asked
Not gonna happen it’ll shatter his mask
Meet his rules or he’ll say no
He’s too smart to even go
Don’t ask for details he’ll have a fit
What you hear he’ll say is sh!t
They lie, they cheat, they even steal
I’ll fix all things he says with zeal
Vote for him we will unite
But it won’t happen over night
A second term implied he’ll need
More time for the intended deed
His resume is thin as can be
There’s no denial as we can see
No corporation would let him lead
He has no experience to succeed
But lead our nation he wants to do
He has the press and money too
If we vote for him we are fools
He doesn’t have any tools | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/13/2008 8:15:17 PM |
Democrats need to realize the McCain strategy is all about distancing himself from Bush, something that won't be that hard to do
Hmmm....well let's see how has done so far..
McCain Wins Bush Endorsement - "I'm very honored and humbled to have the opportunity to receive the endorsement of the president of the United States, a man who I have great admiration, respect and affection.." http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/05/us/politics/05cnd-repubs.html?hp
McCain Taps Bush's Money Raising Ability -" ....after the departure of senior McCain aides, including fundraiser Tom Loeffler amid conflict-of-interest questions, McCain and his strategists have concluded that it's time to bring in the president and capitalize on his prodigious ability to raise money.
However, McCain insiders say they hope such events will be infrequent because McCain does not want to appear to be running for a third Bush term."
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/05/20/mccain-taps-bushs-money-raising-ability.html
McCain backs Bush's Wiretaps - A top adviser to Senator John McCain says Mr. McCain believes that President Bush’s program of wiretapping without warrants was lawful, a position that appears to bring him into closer alignment with the sweeping theories of executive authority pushed by the Bush administration legal team.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/06/us/politics/06mccain.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Ahh...here we go
McCain faults Bush Administration on Iraq - "I think one of the biggest mistakes we made was underestimating the size of the task and the sacrifices that would be required,” McCain said. “Stuff happens, mission accomplished, last throes, a few dead-enders. I’m just more familiar with those statements than anyone else because it grieves me so much that we had not told the American people how tough and difficult this task would be."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14475828/
Oh....forget it!  Just more of the same........
McCain Calls War 'Necessary and Just' - "I understand the frustration caused by our mistakes in this war. I sympathize with the fatigue of the American people," he told cadets at the Virginia Military Institute. "But I also know the toll a lost war takes on an army and a country. It is the right road. It is necessary and just."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/11/AR2007041100203.html
Msg 245
I don't know what I'm going to do in November. I can't bring myself to vote for McCain, and I'm not an Obama gal - that's for sure. I supported Hillary and am proud to say that. Obama is going to have to do a lot more to sway me to vote for him, and here I am as a registered Democrat. Not a registered lunatic -- just yet! I am not too pleased with either outcome.
Zeeba, have you been over to Obama's website? If not I suggest you start there first.
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