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 Outdoor2

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Posted: 6/29/2008 1:16:58 PM

I'm all for welfare. I just don't want it so freely handed out. I don't want the help to be grossly abused. I see this all the time.


Yes....I see it to....it's pennies compared to corporate welfare......

I think those abuses should be addressed first.
 PurpleCrayon~

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Posted: 6/29/2008 1:20:46 PM

Yes....I see it to....it's pennies compared to corporate welfare......

I think those abuses should be addressed first.


There should not be any First, Second or Third. Congress has the power to address it ALL at the same time. We need to elect officials who will and quit falling for 'political promises'.

Remember... Congress can pass a bill... the President can Veto it... then, Congress with a majority can override the Presidential veto. It all falls back to Congress and who we have in Congress. Congress has the ultimate power. Not the President.
 Brandie46

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Posted: 6/29/2008 1:26:46 PM
The Welfare Queen from Wikipedia...

A welfare queen refers to a woman who collects welfare checks, or excess amounts, through fraud or manipulation. Sensational reporting on (what would become known as) welfare queens began during the early-1960s, appearing in general interest magazines such as Readers Digest. The term entered the American lexicon during Ronald Reagan's 1976 presidential campaign when he described a "welfare queen" from Chicago's South Side.[1] Since then, it has become a stigmatizing label placed on recidivist poor mothers, with studies showing that it often carries gendered and racial connotations.[2][3] Although women can no longer stay on welfare indefinitely, the term continues to shape American dialogue on poverty.


I also found this on a site that quotes some of the biggest fibs some of our Presidents have told.


Over a period of about five years, Reagan told the story of the "Chicago welfare queen" who had 80 names, 30 addresses, 12 Social Security cards, and collected benefits for "four nonexisting deceased husbands," bilking the government out of "over $150,000." The real welfare recipient to whom Reagan referred was actually convicted for using two different aliases to collect $8,000. Reagan continued to use his version of the story even after the press pointed out the actual facts of the case to him.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0309.mendacity-index.html

Nona, more details on his plans to help combat poverty....

Help Americans Grab a Hold of and Climb the Job Ladder - Obama will invest $1 billion over five years in transitional jobs and career pathway programs that implement proven methods of helping low-income Americans succeed in the workforce. (None of this does not sound like socialism to me).

Create a Green Jobs Corps - Obama will create a program to directly engage disadvantaged youth in energy efficiency opportunities to strengthen their communities, while also providing them with practical skills in this important high-growth career field.

Promote Responsible Fatherhood - Obama will sign into law his Responsible Fatherhood and Healthy Families Act to remove some of the government penalties on married families, crack down on men avoiding child support payments, and ensure that payments go to families instead of state bureaucracies.

Support Parents with Young Children - Obama will expand the highly-successful Nurse-Family Partnership to all 570,000 low-income, first-time mothers each year. The Nurse-Family Partnership provides home visits by trained registered nurses to low-income expectant mothers and their families.

Obama 2008!!

More info here:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/poverty/
 teachpeace

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Posted: 6/29/2008 1:35:16 PM
ehhhhh remember.....Congress needs the 2/3 majority to over ride the veto. It's called 'balance of powers' and that's the reason Democrats haven't been able to accomplish anything in Congress for the past two years without huge compromises. Cuz there's too many Republicans AND a Republican president. So then the bill can't get passed. See how easy that is to remember?
No one in our system of government has the "ultimate power"....well except for Cheney of course.
Has anyone kept track of how many squillion times we've pointed this out on these threads??
Obama '08
 Nona37

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Posted: 6/29/2008 1:45:31 PM
Help Americans Grab a Hold of and Climb the Job Ladder:
Obama will invest $1 billion over five years in transitional jobs
and career pathway programs that implement proven methods of
helping low-income Americans succeed in the workforce.


Brandie..thanks for the rest of that,,,previously you only had a little
bit of this written out, however...even with everything shown to
me now,,this is my problem with it.......one billion dollars? That's
ridiculous! WHy so much? Why not invest smaller amounts of money
into programs such as non-profit organizations in the ways of grants
to enable them to aid our poverty stricken communities? One
billion dollars for transitional jobs, which are NOT permanent jobs
and to SHOW people how to succeed is out right mis utilizing tax
payers dollars not to mention wasting tax payers dollars. This is ludicrous! I do not support this at all. They do not need classes...they need JOBS!


Promote Responsible Fatherhood: Obama will sign into law
his Responsible Fatherhood and Healthy Families Act to remove some
of the government penalties on married families, crack down on men
avoiding child support payments, and ensure that payments go to
families instead of state bureaucracies.


Is this his way of stating that he wants to eliminate "Child Support
Enforcement Agencies"? This would be a bad move and the children
of these deadbeat fathers would suffer even more. The CSEA takes
care of chasing after these deadbeats with detectives. I must also
state that there is something VERY wrong with this objective he wants
to institute. He left out deadbeat mothers! This only covers dead
beat fathers not including the mothers who disregard their financial
responsibilities to their children. Obama needs to go back and
rethink this one.


Support Parents with Young Children: Obama will expand the
highly-successful Nurse-Family Partnership to all 570,000
low-income, first-time mothers each year. The Nurse-Family
Partnership provides home visits by trained registered nurses to
low-income expectant mothers and their families.


I support this overall. Great idea!
 PurpleCrayon~

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Posted: 6/29/2008 2:02:00 PM

ehhhhh remember.....Congress needs the 2/3 majority to over ride the veto. It's called 'balance of powers' and that's the reason Democrats haven't been able to accomplish anything in Congress for the past two years without huge compromises. Cuz there's too many Republicans AND a Republican president. So then the bill can't get passed. See how easy that is to remember?
No one in our system of government has the "ultimate power"....well except for Cheney of course.
Has anyone kept track of how many squillion times we've pointed this out on these threads??
Obama '08


I said with a Majority it can be done. Guess I figured most here are fully aware it takes 2/3 majority. I do like to give People the benefit of having a basic knowledge base of things; therefore, I don't spell out every single minute detail. Oh well, my posts are obviously half read anyway... no biggie.

I believe the Republicans overall have been for drilling and it has been stymied by the Democrats. Wasted years of being blocked.
 Sematic_Poise

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Posted: 6/29/2008 2:15:21 PM

Promote Responsible Fatherhood: Obama will sign into law
his Responsible Fatherhood and Healthy Families Act to remove some
of the government penalties on married families, crack down on men
avoiding child support payments, and ensure that payments go to
families instead of state bureaucracies.


Is this his way of stating that he wants to eliminate "Child Support
Enforcement Agencies"?


No. It's Obama's way of saying that any money recovered from the parent who owes child support should go to the custodial parent instead of paying back the state for the welfare that custodial parent received.


Children should receive the child support paid by their parents, and the government should not keep the money to recover welfare costs


http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c110:1:./temp/~c110anv30d:e0:
S.1626
Responsible Fatherhood and Healthy Families Act of 2007
 Sematic_Poise

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Posted: 6/29/2008 2:37:10 PM
Help Americans Grab a Hold of and Climb the Job Ladder:
Obama will invest $1 billion over five years in transitional jobs
and career pathway programs that implement proven methods of
helping low-income Americans succeed in the workforce.


Would that be the bill that Obama introduced on mid 2007 to amend the Higher Education Act of 1965 to authorize grant programs to enhance the access of low-income African-American students to higher education?

...`(2) PRIORITY- In awarding grants under this section the Secretary shall give priority to Predominantly Black Institutions with large numbers or percentages of students described in subsections (b)(2)(A) or (b)(2)(C). The level of priority given to Predominantly Black Institutions with large numbers or percentages of students described in subsection (b)(2)(A) shall be twice the level of priority given to Predominantly Black Institutions with large numbers or percentages of students described in subsection (b)(2)(C).

`(A) IN GENERAL- Notwithstanding paragraphs (1), (2), and (3), the amount allotted to each Predominantly Black Institution under this section shall not be less than $250,000.

The whole bill can be read here...
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:S.1513:

We're gonna get some more FREEEEEEE STUFF!!!!!!
 Insolent1

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Posted: 6/29/2008 4:08:53 PM
Thanks for all the info, to those who say Obamas Theology is irrelevant visit his church website and take a look at some of this, then you to will see why where he worships is in fact relevant...
 Sematic_Poise

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Posted: 6/29/2008 4:27:53 PM
That's a good point about Senator Barack Hussein Obama's Theology.

His theological belief according to the church he attended for 20 years includes...



A non-negotiable commitment to Africa (Religious Doctrine #4)


http://www.tucc.org/about.htm



An excerpt of the "black value system' according to the church he attended for 20 years...



"Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the black community."



Senator Barack Hussein Obama went to the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago for 20 years. The link to his "former" church to read the "black value system" in it's entirety is ...

http://www.tucc.org/scholarship_pdf/black%20value%20system.pdf
 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 6/29/2008 4:29:20 PM
You seem so well versed in their mission statments, Insolent, why don't you enlighten us? What is it that they do that frightens you so? Do they make 'nucular' bombs there that target only white people? Do they take LSD and plot how they are going to 'get whitey'? What exactly is it that is so horrible? A committment to Africa? Whoopededoo....do you think it might have something to do with the fact that their ancestors are largely from Africa and that is a country that is suffering greatly, and has been for decades? (If you think no other churches display ties to their ancestors, try going to an Irish Catholic church or a Dutch Christian Reformed church...just google Holland Michigan). I really want to know what kinds of evil plans you think Obama has for America....because you never really address that. You say he's going to give 'all our money away', but in case you hadn't noticed, the U.S. has long been one of the top money givers...why? Because we have it and they don't, and it's wrong to not help where we can assist. So besides money to other countries, what is it that you are so afraid the boogey man is going to institute?
 Sematic_Poise

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Posted: 6/29/2008 4:37:32 PM
I think it's great that Senator Barack Hussein Obama is loyal to his race and religious beliefs

With a little more campaigning, money and "car attacks" he will be successfully placed in the white house where he belongs so he can rightfully make reparations to those people he feels closest to.

I bet every politician in history has used his power to help those he feels closest to in one form or another-- like family and friends and campaign supporters.

It's not a new thing in politics.

It's not like he's going to rob everyone, put the money in a suitcase and send it away somewhere. He will use his influence to redistribute the wealth to people who he feels deserve it more.
 Insolent1

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Posted: 6/29/2008 4:39:12 PM
The Global Poverty act and legislation like it...committing our tax dollars to other countries when our economy is in the shape that it is in.Trying to make us more accountable to the UN.Do we have it now? Thats the problem with someone like Obama his concern should be for America first, not the UN or Africa or any other country and it isn't. The root of his true beliefs can be found in the Theology of his church that is why it is Relevant.That is why I have been bringing attention to the Theology, it also has a preaches a negative perception of "White" America I do not think a potential President should have tolerated this type of ideology in regards to America.You do realize that the Global Poverty Act alone will cost almost a 843 billion dollars...I believe we should help also, but I do not believe that the UN should play a part in How much we are REQUIRED to give. I also believe that given the state of economy any Politician that doesn't put the welfare of Americans first has no place in our Government.
 Sematic_Poise

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Posted: 6/29/2008 5:12:47 PM
The global poverty act isn't just about the money. As one of the super powers in the world we as a nation promise to reduce the number of poor by one-half by 2015 in less fortunate countries. We'll cure all of their ills and give them trade preferences as well -- it's our obligation to bring them out of their poverty by any means we can come up with. It' s the right thing to do don't you think?

Currently more than 1,000,000,000 people worldwide live on less than $1 per day, and another 1,600,000,000 people struggle to survive on less than $2 per day.

1) Continued investment or involvement in existing United States initiatives related to international poverty reduction, such as the United States Leadership Against HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis, and Malaria Act of 2003 (22 U.S.C. 7601 et seq.), the Millennium Challenge Act of 2003 (22 U.S.C. 7701 et seq.), and trade preference programs for developing countries, such as the African Growth and Opportunity Act (19 U.S.C. 3701 et seq.).

(2) Improving the effectiveness of development assistance and making available additional overall United States assistance levels as appropriate.

(3) Enhancing and expanding debt relief as appropriate.

(4) Leveraging United States trade policy where possible to enhance economic development prospects for developing countries.

(5) Coordinating efforts and working in cooperation with developed and developing countries, international organizations, and international financial institutions.

(6) Mobilizing and leveraging the participation of businesses, United States and international nongovernmental organizations, civil society, and public-private partnerships.

(7) Coordinating the goal of poverty reduction with the other internationally recognized Millennium Development Goals, including eradicating extreme hunger and reducing hunger and malnutrition, achieving universal education, promoting gender equality and empowering women, reducing child mortality, improving maternal health, combating the spread of preventable diseases such as HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis, and malaria, increasing access to potable water and basic sanitation, ensuring environmental sustainability, and achieving significant improvement in the lives of at least 100,000,000 slum dwellers.

(8) Integrating principles of sustainable development and entrepreneurship into policies and programs.

http://thomas.loc.gov/bss/d110query.html

I think it's wonderful that Obama is a main player in getting that legislation written. One more reason not to vote for McCain. McCain didn't even vote on this legislation.
 flyonthewall!

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Posted: 6/29/2008 5:24:38 PM
""The term “welfare queen” comes from Ronald Reagan when he ran for president in 1976. He told the story of a black woman who made $150,000 from gaming welfare. She drove a Cadillac, he informed us.


Uh, 1976 was Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford. Reagan beat Carter in 1980, and began his office January 20, 1981.


He will tax us all into the poor house, so forget the cost of gas, we wont be driving cars. Hes going to send us back to the horse and buggy days.


Yeah, pretty much.

I'm not an Obama "hater" either, except for hating the idea of him being President.


Do you think a Hillary supporter or McCain supporter did this...


Without reading the article, I'm going to guess Hillary supporters.


Was Bill Clinton in Florida?


LOL, Bill Clinton doesn't need to vandalize cars to hurt Obama. He doesn't even have to say a word against him. All he has to do is stay home. I doubt you'll see much campaigning by Bill Clinton for Obama.
 Insolent1

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Posted: 6/29/2008 5:26:46 PM
It is the right thing to do at the wrong time. Given the state of our economy the candidates should be more concerned with the welfare of Americans than they are with the other countries of the World. The cost of the Global Poverty Act exceeds all of the monies spent on the War to date by about 150%. IF the economy is in the shape it is in due to the cost of the war does it make sense to commit us to 1 1/2 Times that much to help the poor of the world right now, while we are still at war and have the accumulated debt?This is the problem I have with Obama instead of concerning himself with our economy and our citizens he is concerned about helping the poor in other countries primarily in Africa. When he should have been concentrating on gas prices, foreclosures, the floods, our economy, and the War..
I think it is a great reason to vote for McCain.
 fridayboo

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Posted: 6/29/2008 5:42:05 PM
You guys are pitiful. Deal with it! President Bush screwed up sooooo bad that the country is about to elect a black man to the Presidency....it's okay....black people don't want revenge for slavery, Jim Crow racism or anything else for that matter. If we were that angry we would have went Alquieda on your asses a long time ago. We are a peaceful people for the most part if you can't tell that after 400 some years then you don't know us at all.
 faith2565

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Posted: 6/29/2008 6:00:13 PM
Enough of the negative. Let us move our attention to the latest news in the media.

Obama took some time to get groomed, while the Clinton camp tries to merge. In the meantime.

McCain meets with evangelist Billy Graham and son, Franklin, at mountaintop retreat
By LIZ SIDOTI (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
June 29, 2008 4:00 PM EDT
MONTREAT, North Carolina - John McCain met Sunday with evangelist Billy Graham and his son, Franklin, at the family's mountaintop retreat.

The Republican presidential candidate, who is actively courting religious voters and trying to reassure skeptical conservatives, visited privately with the Grahams in western North Carolina.

"We had a very excellent conversation. I appreciated the opportunity to visit with them," McCain said after the 45-minute meeting.

It was McCain's first sit-down with Billy Graham, 89, and with Franklin Graham, although McCain and the elder Graham are acquainted. McCain's father and Billy Graham also knew each other.

What about that you guys.
 Brandie46

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Posted: 6/29/2008 6:17:09 PM
Msg 537
I think it's great that Senator Barack Hussein Obama is loyal to his race and religious beliefs

With a little more campaigning, money and "car attacks" he will be successfully placed in the white house where he belongs so he can rightfully make reparations to those people he feels closest to.


Imagine a comment like this coming from a Black man from Atlanta! Not!
Sematic poise, I've gotta hand it to ya! You've carried on your little charade quite admirably....but now I think your true color is showing.

Obama 2008!!!
 flyonthewall!

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Posted: 6/29/2008 6:21:10 PM
You guys are pitiful. Deal with it! President Bush screwed up sooooo bad that the country is about to elect a black man to the Presidency....it's okay....black people don't want revenge for slavery, Jim Crow racism or anything else for that matter.


Huh, what's eating you? A black man as President is just fine and dandy, and if it were Colin Powell, I'd be voting for him.

If McCain were black, I'd be voting for him.

It's not the race, it's the man. Obama doesn't have the experience, and I'm none too happy with the kind of company he keeps -- racists and criminals. Since there are better options I'm taking them.

Don't try to make white people into racists just because they won't vote for a candidate who's not qualified for the job, and who also happens to be black.
 faith2565

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Posted: 6/29/2008 7:39:22 PM
Brandi you are correct Sematic is a black man from Atlanta. Unless that is an alias.
Did you guys see the article of Farwell meeting with McCain. They say he has already met with Obama. What do you think?
 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 6/29/2008 7:55:59 PM

Uh, 1976 was Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford. Reagan beat Carter in 1980, and began his office January 20, 1981.


Oh....he didn't say anything when he was the governor of California?
 flyonthewall!

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Posted: 6/29/2008 8:54:00 PM
^ ^ ^ ^ The quote was:


""The term “welfare queen” comes from Ronald Reagan when he ran for president in 1976. He told the story of a black woman who made $150,000 from gaming welfare.


So are you suggesting that Ronald Reagan ran for President in 1976? Further, Ronald Reagan wasn't governor in 1976, Jerry Brown was. I'm confused by your statement.
 faith2565

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Posted: 6/29/2008 9:01:21 PM
Come on you guys stop arguing mute points. There are allot of things going on in this election pick from the list

A. Farwell and son met with McCain
B. Clark says McCain is not qualified to be commander
C. Obama has been working out and getting a new hair cut
D. More of Clinton people moving over to Obama
D. The world watching this election
E. All of the above.
 flyonthewall!

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Posted: 6/29/2008 11:51:01 PM
A. I think you mean Billy Graham and son, whole different animal, and it's Falwell as in Jerry Falwell. Unless Obama is a psychic, he wouldn't be able to talk to Falwell, being that he's dead. So are you telling me that Obama has a line into Miss Cleo?

B. Tell me something new. Clark's a Democrat and an Obama supporter. He's not going to say anything positive about McCain. It's also more than a little odd that a military man would consider a candidate with NO military experience and no experience in the Senate prior to announcing his campaign for President more qualified than a candidate with 20 plus years as a Naval officer, 24 years in Congress (21 in the Senate), plus experience on the Senate Armed Service Committee. But Clark's been known to have some batty ideas.

C. Who gives a crap?

D.

D plus 1: So the world is watching. What else is new?

E. Well, not one of these is worth discussing, so all 4 1/2, not worth discussing either.

And I don't mean to be picky, but you keep on using the word mute, when I think what you mean is "moot", as in moot point (i.e., a point not worth debating).
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