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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 7/2/2008 6:16:27 PM |
Oh...really........did he hatch the plan with Chavez and/or Sarkozy? Or did he do it all by himself? Did he give orders to the Columbian military?
Cite your sources....
My bad. I DVRed the segment and MSNBC did report it...but, my guess is that they were referencing something else....made a mistake is the only thing I can guess...because McCain made the statement that his visit was not due to the hostage release. I haven't heard a correction from MSNBC yet..but, haven't been watching it this evening.
On the DVR... MSNBC repeated that McCain was there at the request for the news of the hostage release..but.. McCain is standing on that he was not there due to the hostage release news.
My apologies...
Oops... I just noticed you used the term 'McSame'. Oh well, I'll go ahead and post a reply since I took the time to type it...plus it is to correct a mistake I made in a previous post.
Buttt... you people need to really grow up using those 'name variations'. It really is very childish indeed.  | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 7/2/2008 7:43:59 PM | Padawan, I thought we explained this to you:
McSame is OK. Osama is not.
McSame is just good natured chiding. Osama is associating the presuptive nominee with a destructive, hate-fuelling, war-mongering personality. See the difference?
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 7/2/2008 8:49:58 PM |
McSame is just good natured chiding. Osama is associating the presuptive nominee with a destructive, hate-fuelling, war-mongering personality. See the difference?
easy you are not being honest here. Liberals would use the same definition of George Bush as you use for Osama so McSame is equally as offensive.
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 7/2/2008 8:59:28 PM | Take what Easyoneverything says with a grain of salt. She is one of the 25% that voted for Hillary that would prefer Donald Duck or The Grinch over Obama. -----------------------------------------------------------------
I do not know why Obama is still trying to prove himself. If the people do not like him, in my heart it does not matter, they are not going to vote for him. I wish he would stop worrying about what people think and keep going forward.
Obama: Service to be a cornerstone of presidency By JENNIFER LOVEN (Associated Press Writer) From Associated Press July 02, 2008 9:33 PM EDT COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - Barack Obama urged people Wednesday to look past the "bustle and busyness" of their everyday lives this Fourth of July weekend to find a way to help make the American dream real not just for themselves, but for all.
The call for service is part of a flag-draped week focused on God, country, veterans and freedom. They are larger-than-life themes, all prominent in the successful campaigns of President Bush and aimed at introducing Obama to Americans who know little about the presumed Democratic nominee - or who may be skeptical based on what they've heard.
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 7/2/2008 10:34:03 PM | Hey Kaos, the reason for the blushing smiley face at the end of my post was to emphasize the sarcastic nature of it.
Faith, I understand you are all a-gaga over O-bama and I'm sure it's a pleasant feeling to have those convictions right now -- kinda like that warm feeling when you wet the bed just before the cold horror of it wakes you up. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 7/3/2008 5:18:41 AM |
McSame is just good natured chiding. Osama is associating the presuptive nominee with a destructive, hate-fuelling, war-mongering personality. See the difference?
No I don't. They're both signs of DISRESPECT? Get it?
Take what Easyoneverything says with a grain of salt. She is one of the 25% that voted for Hillary that would prefer Donald Duck or The Grinch over Obama.
Has it occurred to you that we might vote for DD or the Grinch over Obama because we think they are more qualified? Or at least not any LESS qualified?  | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 7/3/2008 5:23:20 AM | The Bush administration has given us all the cold horror we can stomach easyon. We already know what that feels like intimately...we don't even recognize our own country anymore. Now the oil companies are lining up in Iraq......how much more evidence does anyone need that something needs to CHANGE. Obama '08 | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 7/3/2008 5:29:44 AM | What I find so funny nowadays is how it's so "hip" to protest the oil companies and accuse our nation of fighting wars for oil, etc...
Did it ever dawn on anyone that we NEED oil? It's a precious commodity. Of course the oil companies are lining up and not only from our nation, worldwide in trying to gain the contract. This is a GOOD thing, anyone that knows anything about economics would agree with this. This will also aid the Iraqi's in rebuilding economically, ya forgot this as well.
Has anyone been following Saudi Arabia's next venture? They are going to begin drilling for new oil, to aid with increasing the barrel's of oil per day, this will aid in bringing down gas prices, etc....of course people do not notice this, for remember...it's "hip" to ignore reality and the truth. I personally appreciate what the Saudi's are performing, they are proving to be great allies, of course this is being ignored as well.
By the way..before some "hipster" jumps in and states that we should drill within our own country.......thank the tree huggers for the fact that we can not drill in most areas as well as the Democrats who are fighting the republicans on each and every turn in opening up some of those areas for drilling. Keep in mind, Obama does not want to open up any new area's within our country which is rich with oil...McCain does. Common sense if you ask me.
Last time I checked...Bush isn't running for president, some of you are so fixated on President Bush, it's honestly scary as well as naive.
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 7/3/2008 5:40:44 AM | Drilling for oil is only going to temporarily avert a crisis. Fossil fuel is a dwindling resource throughout the world. The real problem is that we are not developing cheap, usable fuels fast enough. Even hybrid cars use gasoline.
Drill or don't drill. I don't really care. We are already paying less for gas and oil than most of the world, even with $4 plus per gallon prices. Pulling more oil out of the earth is akin to putting a bandaid on a gaping wound that needs stitches.
Those little European cars are not practical in the US. The other day I saw one of those teeny things on 101 and shuddered. As much as I want to be environmentally responsible, I'm not going to get killed on the highway (although my cars are all hybrids). We need to come up with solutions that are useful on US highways. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 7/3/2008 5:40:54 AM | What's honestly scary is the notion that it's ok to invade a country and kill thousands of them, make refugees out of millions.....at the behest of the oil interests. Calling that a good thing? Well......that's simply priceless. For the record, domestic drilling doesn't get us a drop of oil for 10 years......that's real sound policy right there. Obama '08 | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 7/3/2008 5:46:38 AM | What's even more scary is the fact that you only believe the war is about oil. It's not, if that were so, we would have taken it and left, last time I checked, we are still there.
What is even more priceless is that people with YOUR mentality is the very reason our nation can not even drill within our own country, I personally vote that we inform the tree huggers to go "hug" something else, such as a bulldozer.
For the record, domestic drilling doesn't get us a drop of oil for 10 years......that's real sound policy right there.
Of course,,,,due to that fact, we should not drill now. People must think about the future, not in the present. It's about ensuring stability for our future. WIth your mentality due to the fact that we can not reap the benefits RIGHT NOW we just shouldn't do it, that's ridiculous, it's about the FUTURE and that is sane policy as compared to only thinking of right now.
Drill or don't drill. I don't really care. We are already paying less for gas and oil than most of the world, even with $4 plus per gallon prices. Pulling more oil out of the earth is akin to putting a bandaid on a gaping wound that needs stitches.
I see what you are stating however, one can not compare the US government to others within that aspect, due to the fact, you are comparing capitalism to socialism. Within socialist countries, the wealth is distributed more times to none equally as compared to a capitalistic system where we have poverty stricken citizens who can not afford the huge gas prices, therefore, the prices in europe can not be compared to US prices due to the fact, within Europe they are paid better as compared to some of our communities which only receive minimum wage. The prices need to come down. Even if it's a temporary aversion, this would aid our poor communities in being able to get to and from work, and an aversion would buy time to come up with another plan.
I do agree we need to create a more cheap fuel. I do believe McCain supports this as well.
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 7/3/2008 6:40:03 AM |
It's about ensuring stability for our future.
Exactly...& you don't do that by clinging to a rapidly depleting 'precious commodity'. That is a perfect receipe for UNstability.
You do that by developing a RENEWABLE energy source. One that also puts you @ the forefront of emerging technology.
What you envision is stability to continue our consumption of cheap, petrol-based energy....sorry, not going to happen no matter how many brown kids we kill in 'terrorist' countries. In fact, every time we try to dictate the behavior of a foreign government, it greatly increases our chance of being targeted for aggressive acts of reprisal.
We do NOT have any right to any other nations natural resources, even the right to purchase that resource @ a reasonable price.....that includes oil.
It amazes me how many of the folks who decry any type of social 'entitlement' program also think that we are somehow entitled to what is the rightful property of others. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 7/3/2008 6:45:45 AM | Flyonthewall, to drill or not to drill. Yes, we are paying less than the people in Europe, but you could probably fit Europe inside of the state of Texas or Alaska. There is no comparison. Living in the Houston area with a terrible transit system one must own a good car to survive.
Now, when I was visiting my son in D.C., we were able to get around using the subways and taxi cabs, but everywhere in this country is not like DC.
We have been fighting to get a decent transit system in the Houston area since I have been here (20 years). Living in Katy we only have a park and ride which takes you into the city and back, but if you wanted to work late you would have to drive, because that shuts down no later than 6:00 or 7:00 p.m.
We started a metro rail (above ground subway system) which causes more traffic jams than the millions of cars on our highways.
Houston, Texas is in the top five cities for traffic problems.
So, please do not compare us to Europe or even D.C. If I lived in D.C. I would be taking the subway everywhere and using cabs.
This 4.00 per gallon is killing me. I am off for the first time in almost 10 years this summer. I usually supervise summer school or work with it in some aspect (curriculum etc.). Just taking my son to summer school and grandson to the YMCA and occasional trip to the doctor (routine physicals) going to church, all in Katy, West and Southwest Houston. Is running me 80.00 in gas.
In Texas we are not making up these numbers.
I was talking to my neighbor yesterday while working in the yard, and ladies at the gym about this issue.
Please remember there are places in this country with allot of land mass. Please do not compare us to Europe.
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 7/3/2008 6:53:12 AM | Exactly...& you don't do that by clinging to a rapidly depleting 'precious commodity'. That is a perfect receipe for UNstability.
The fact is, its NOT a rapidly depleting precious commodity. We have this commodity, but due to not embracing this commodity and playing to the ears of the tree huggers and conservationist's, we are in HUGE trouble as of now. The fact is, we should have utilized some of our own resources in the past, we did not, therefore why we are in such economic straits referencing this situation. We MUST ensure our future economically by drilling now domestically, one can not always depend on supposed allies.
You do that by developing a RENEWABLE energy source. One that also puts you @ the forefront of emerging technology.
I agree with this statement. This should have been performed already, however, the gas/oil companies I"m sure lobbied against this as well as ensured this did not happen by placing politicians in their pockets.
What you envision is stability to continue our consumption of cheap, petrol-based energy....sorry, not going to happen no matter how many brown kids we kill in 'terrorist' countries. In fact, every time we try to dictate the behavior of a foreign government, it greatly increases our chance of being targeted for aggressive acts of reprisal.
Brown kids? Last time I checked, there are many different colors of kids in the war, white, brown, black. Everyone is someone's kids, therefore, not just "brown kids" are dying.
We are not dictating the Iraqi's behavior. IF this were so, Malikii would not be dictating to our country what the Iraqi's want. We were already targeted before 9/11 even happened. Examples are.....Bombing of USS Cole, Bombing of Beirut, Bombing of Tanzania and many more. Just because it did not happen our soil does not mean that Americans have not died abroad due to terrorism.
We do NOT have any right to any other nations natural resources, even the right to purchase that resource @ a reasonable price.....that includes oil.
The oil drilling within Iraq will be something to benefit the Iraqi's economically. Of course the nation's who do land the contracts will benefit financially, it's called "business". Saudi Arabia is voluntarily drilling for more oil on their own land, people do not want to accept the fact that Saudi Arabia is a great ally. They are doing this to aid the world not just the United States. I see nothing wrong with this and find that it's a great thing which they are doing.
It amazes me how many of the folks who decry any type of social 'entitlement' program also think that we are somehow entitled to what is the rightful property of others.
I'm actually a "fan" of socialism, however, one can not change a capitalistic government overnight into socialism. This is ingredients for destruction. Where I'm a fan of socialism, this does not mean that the majority of the US would support this, this is not something that can happen overnight and has to be implemented in very slowly, but the US overall will not buy this, that is for certain.
The reason I support socialism is for two reasons. Short and simple. One does not view people eating out of garbage cans for survival as well as employment rates are higher. There are many other benefits of socialism, they tend to have a higher quality of life with shorter work weeks. People overall are genuinely more happy with this type of government. But a sudden change is not good for any country, it has to happen slowly while implementing socialist programs. This will not happen anytime soon within our nation if at all. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 7/3/2008 7:18:43 AM | I get a kick out of the mantra: "We can't domestically drill because of the tree huggers."
The oil and gas companies have leased 10's of millions of acres for exploration....but they're not exploring....and at $3/acre it shows up on their books as an asset which helps attract investors.
WASHINGTON - Nearly three-fourths of the 40 million acres of public land currently leased for oil and gas development in the continental United States outside Alaska isn’t producing any oil or gas, federal records show, even as the Bush administration pushes to open more environmentally sensitive public lands for oil and gas development.
An Associated Press computer analysis of Bureau of Land Management records found that 80 percent of federal lands leased for oil and gas production in Wyoming are producing no oil or gas. Neither are 83 percent of the leased acres in Montana, 77 percent in Utah, 71 percent in Colorado, 36 percent in New Mexico and 99 percent in Nevada.
How much exploration has occurred on the nearly 30 million acres of non-producing public land leases is difficult to say. BLM officials could provide no details on the number of exploratory wells drilled on those leases, despite repeated requests for that information over the past two months.
But with so much public land already available for exploration, environmental groups and local landowners are questioning why the Bush administration is pushing to lease still more federal land to the oil and gas industry, particularly in areas that the groups and some lawmakers want protected as federal wilderness areas.
$3 an acre annual rent “The aggressive leasing of public land pushed by the Bush administration is a land grab, pure and simple, giving industry more and more control over public land while costing taxpayers millions of dollars,” said Peter Morton, a resource economist with the Wilderness Society.
Morton said the leases, which companies can lock up for 10 years with annual rents of only $2 to $3 an acre, are an economic boon to some companies because they count as assets that can make debt refinancing easier while also attracting potential investors.
The Energy Task Force headed by Vice President****Cheney asked the BLM three years ago to find ways to open new federal lands to oil and gas leasing and to speed up the approval of drilling permits. To meet increased demand for natural gas, the task force said drilling on federal land will have to double by 2020.
Interior Secretary Gale Norton agreed in settling a lawsuit with the state of Utah last year to halt all reviews of public lands in the West for new wilderness protection and to withdraw that protected status from some 3 million acres in Utah.
That decision, which conservation groups have asked a federal appeals court to overturn, cleared the way for oil and gas leasing in millions more acres of potential wilderness in Colorado, Utah, Arizona and New Mexico.
In Colorado last month, some of the 70 parcels BLM offered for oil and gas leasing were in an area proposed for wilderness designation in legislation introduced by Rep. Diana DeGette, D-Colo. Several other parcels in the proposed wilderness area were withdrawn from the lease sale at the last minute. In neighboring Utah, the BLM has sold 26 oil and gas leases since November in areas eligible for wilderness designation.
“These are incredible, beautiful and remote lands that have proven wilderness values,” DeGette said when she introduced her wilderness bill. “However, they are now open to the full force of the draconian Bush energy policy, which proposes to open up thousands of our public lands to oil and gas development.”
More land under review Since Cheney’s task force handed down its recommendations, the BLM has completed a study of impediments to oil and gas exploration and development, speeded up approvals of drilling permits and begun expedited updates of land use plans in 21 areas, almost half of which hold out the potential for more oil and gas development.
Tom Lonnie, the BLM’s assistant director for minerals, realty and resource protection, said the government can protect environmentally sensitive areas that are leased for oil and gas exploration by including restrictions in the lease agreement.
But Lonnie said the administration has no control over when and where exploratory drilling occurs on federal leases.
“A lot of these areas where existing leases are being held onto may have low potential for production, based on industry analysis now,” he said. “The industry is out there drilling the wells and doing the exploration, not us.”
Even as more land is opened for leasing, it’s questionable whether the industry has the resources to explore it. The Cheney task force concluded that very few new onshore oil drilling rigs have been built since the mid-1980s, because of price volatility in the oil field supply and service sectors.
And the percentage of wells drilled in the United States since 2000 that are considered exploratory has declined slightly, when compared with the previous four years, according to data compiled by the Energy Information Administration.
A recent Wilderness Society study found that BLM has approved more than 25,000 drilling permits for public lands over the past decade, but the industry had drilled only about 19,000 new wells during that period.
“Even without additional leasing, if the current inventory of non-producing leases were placed into production, the scale of drilling on public lands would increase dramatically, as would the degradation of lands where drilling is wholly inappropriate,” the report concluded.
Investor magnet For oil companies, vast holdings of federal oil and gas leases, even if undeveloped, show up in their financial records as assets that help attract investors.
“Absolutely,” said Mark Burford, director of investor relations for Tom Brown Inc., a Denver-based independent oil company. Tom Brown has more than 850,000 acres of federal land under lease, but just 22 percent is listed as producing, according to BLM records.
“In our investor presentations, we talk about the very large inventory of drilling locations on our acres that are prospective, and a lot of that would still be undeveloped,” Burford said. “But based on our knowledge of the producing areas and the formations, that acreage is very prospective and very likely to work out as far as becoming producing.”
Tom Brown is one of a half dozen large oil companies that in recent years have exceeded the federal limit on the number of leased acres they can control in any one state. BLM officials acknowledged that they have granted repeated extensions for the companies to comply with the law, instead of exercising their legal right to cancel leases of companies in violation of the law.
Those six companies — Tom Brown, Encana Oil and Gas, Anadarko, BP Amoco, Devon Energy and Marathon Oil — together controlled 3.9 million acres of federal oil and gas leases in March, according to BLM records. Just 1.2 million acres, or 30.8 percent of the total, is actually producing oil and gas.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5111184
A first-ever investigation of federal land use and energy production records by the Environmental Working Group (EWG) shows that the oil and gas industry has been given access to an immense area of western land, and that this nearly unfettered opportunity to drill in 12 western states has done nothing to reduce the country's dependence on foreign oil.
The report contradicts a widely-repeated myth, most recently articulated at an August 3 town meeting in Arkansas by Vice President****Cheney. "What we've fallen into the habit of doing is we continue to increase our consumption of energy, specifically oil and gas, but we aren't producing here at home," Cheney said. "We've taken large chunks of the country and put it off limits to any kind of exploration or development...large parts of the Rocky Mountain West are off limits" (FDCH 2004). EWG's year-long analysis shows:
* The federal government has offered 229 million acres of public and private land in 12 western states for oil and gas drilling, an area greater than the combined size of Colorado, New Mexico and Arizona, according to an EWG analysis of land use records maintained by the federal government from 1982 to the present. This acreage represents the sum of total land actively leased in 1982 and land newly offered from 1982 through 2004. * Despite access to more than 200 million acres of public land over the past 15 years (1989-2003), the oil and gas industry has produced enough energy from this land to satisfy only 53 days of U.S. oil consumption and 221 days of natural gas consumption, according to EWG's analysis of well-by-well oil and gas production records obtained August 16 2004 via a Freedom of Information Act Request. This rate of production amounts to an average of 3.6 days per year of oil and 14.8 days per year of natural gas (MMS 2004, EIA Petroleum Review 2004, EIA Natural Gas Review 2004). * As these small production figures suggest, drilling on federal lands in the West has done nothing to reduce our dependence on foreign energy. In fact, since 1982, our dependence on foreign oil has doubled and our dependence on foreign natural gas has tripled (EIA Petroleum Review 2004, EIA Natural Gas Review 2004). A recent government estimate found that the five most oil- and gas-rich basins in the western U.S. contain about a 280-day supply of oil and an 8-year supply of natural gas at current rates of consumption -- an analysis that likely overstates the amount of energy that is economically available (Energy Inventory 2003). * Despite the relatively small amounts of energy in the West, the Bush administration has removed barriers to drilling on a net 45 million acres in 12 western states and has lifted environmental protections and emphasized drilling on lands already open to oil and gas development. * In producing oil and gas, companies often pump out large quantities of water from underground, particularly in coal bed methane development. In the last 15 years, companies have pumped out 548 billion gallons of water, enough to pour over Niagra Falls for 42 days at the Falls' current flow rate. About 66 percent of that water was reinjected, still leaving 181 billion gallons extracted -- the amount of water that pours over Niagra Falls for 13 days (MMS 2004, CNN 2003). Most so-called "produced water" is unfit for human consumption but removing it can deplete local springs and wells; contaminate land, surface water and ground water; and cause erosion. Reinjection can contaminate groundwater (OGAP 2004). * Between 2000 and 2004, the oil and gas industry poured more than $75 million into political campaigns, with 79 percent going to Republicans, money that may have influenced administration decisions opening protected public lands to drilling (CRP 2004). http://www.ewg.org/oil_and_gas/execsumm.php
Oil, Gas, Political Cash
Campaign contributions can have a significant influence on the policies that elected officials choose to support. A critical look at these contributions can provide an understanding of the motivation behind the promotion of policies that have favored oil and gas industry interests over the public interest.
The oil and gas industry has kept the wheels of power greased with nearly $75.5 million of federal campaign contributions during the past three election cycles, according to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics (CRP). Of the 50 industries giving the most in federal contributions, oil and gas interests ranked number 10 in 2000, 14 in 2002 and 21 in 2004.
EWG's analysis of campaign data compiled by CRP also shows that companies holding leases on large amounts of western lands are some of the biggest contributors in the industry, and that the contributions overwhelmingly go to Republicans:
* Nineteen of the top 20 oil and gas lease holders in the U.S. contributed $17.9 million to political campaigns from 2000 to 2004, 24 percent of the total contributions from the industry during that period (Table 4). * Nearly 60 percent of the top political oil and gas contributors (those donating more than $200,000) hold leases on western public land (Table 5). * Companies holding current leases on public lands gave at least 58% of the total political contributions from the oil and gas industry between 2000 and 2004, and gave 4.7 times more money to the GOP than to Democrats. Two-thirds (66.5%) of contributing lessees gave exclusively to the GOP. http://www.ewg.org/oil_and_gas/part11.php
They have the land....but they're not drilling on it...
Which leads me to believe that it's more profitable for them to NOT drill...
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 7/3/2008 7:20:52 AM | We do not have enough volume in domestic oil (& much of it is in forms that are hard to get at) to run our won country even if we could get it all right now.
I'm speaking of the ACTUAL children of Iraq. Not foreign soldiers. If you have stats on US white children that have died in the war, please post them.
All the terrorists attacks on US soldiers/land in recent years come from one source.....our longstanding habit of trying to dictate how others do 'business' w/ their own resources. Rationalize it all you want by saying it will be good for them....it's still not your right to decide what is good for other nations & then enforce that by military means.
Saudi Arabia is where the real terrorists are from....created by the US-backed despotic, extremist government there w/ an atrocious human rights record.
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 7/3/2008 7:30:15 AM |
This should have been performed already, however, the gas/oil companies I"m sure lobbied against this as well as ensured this did not happen by placing politicians in their pockets.
They have....and they are...
Citing Need for Assessments, U.S. Freezes Solar Energy Projects Steve Marcus/Las Vegas Sun, via Reuters
By DAN FROSCH Published: June 27, 2008
DENVER — Faced with a surge in the number of proposed solar power plants, the federal government has placed a moratorium on new solar projects on public land until it studies their environmental impact, which is expected to take about two years.
The Bureau of Land Management says an extensive environmental study is needed to determine how large solar plants might affect millions of acres it oversees in six Western states — Arizona, California, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico and Utah. http://tinyurl.com/5zj3rk
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 7/3/2008 7:40:32 AM | They have the land....but they're not drilling on it...
Which leads me to believe that it's more profitable for them to NOT drill...
Yet McCain wants to give them more (offshore) leases....
McCains own words on this topic are as follows....
Should I be entrusted with the honor of that office, I will break the stalemate in Washington, and I will put this country on a course to energy security. I will authorize and support new exploration and production of America’s own oil and gas reserves — because we cannot outsource the solution to America’s energy problem.
http://hermeticfront.wordpress.com/2008/06/25/mccain-on-domestic-oil-drilling-my-convictions-place-a-priority-on-the-well-being-of-people-who-cannot-afford-these-ever-rising-energy-prices/
Here is more of what McCain states referencing this topic....
"Opponents of domestic production cling to their position even as the price of foreign oil has doubled and doubled again. They were against it when a gallon of gas cost two dollars. They are still against it when a gallon of gas cost well above four dollars. And we’re left to wonder what it will take to shake their faith in this dogma of dependence on foreign oil.
As for me, my convictions place a priority on the well-being of people who cannot afford these ever-rising prices. Every year, we are sending hundreds of billions of dollars out of the country for oil imports, much of it from OPEC, while trillions of dollars’ worth of oil reserves in America go unused.
As a matter of fairness, we must deal with the here and now, and assure affordable fuel for America by producing more of it ourselves".
For the life of me, I can not find where he is talking about foreign leases. Reason being? He is not advocating as such.
We do not have enough volume in domestic oil (& much of it is in forms that are hard to get at) to run our won country even if we could get it all right now.
And your proof of this is where? I would be interested in viewing as such.
I'm speaking of the ACTUAL children of Iraq. Not foreign soldiers. If you have stats on US white children that have died in the war, please post them.
I admire your compassion for the Iraqi children, I have compassion for them as well, but unlike yourself, I will not forget the dying of "kids" from our own country such as soldiers who have mothers and fathers. Our nation has greatly aided the Iraqi's children, but of course you do not want to post this because it goes against your propaganda that our nation is slaughtering Iraqi's children. I know a different side which greatly differs from yours.
All the terrorists attacks on US soldiers/land in recent years come from one source.....our longstanding habit of trying to dictate how others do 'business' w/ their own resources. Rationalize it all you want by saying it will be good for them.... it's still not your right to decide what is good for other nations & then enforce that by military means.
So it's ok that terrorists have attacked our military members and citizens abroad according to your analogy? That is utter hogwash. Rationale is knowing that terrorists have their own analogies whether instigated or not to attack whomever they want. Yes, the Iraqi's hosting contracts with oil companies is good for their economy as well as good for the companies who are lucky enough to land the contracts. We can not TRULY aid iraq until we aid them economically and this is a great step in that direction for the Iraqi's.
Saudi Arabia is where the real terrorists are from.... created by the US-backed despotic, extremist government there w/ an atrocious human rights record.
To state that ALL terrorists are from Saudi Arabia is equivalent to stating that all rednecks and bible thumpers are within the United States. It's ridiculous.
I do agree with you on their Human Rights record,,,primarily women's rights which are non existent within that country. Where I am confident in stating that Saudi Arabia is a great ally to the United States and has been dating back to War World II, this does not mean that I am in agreement with the treatment of women within that country, and I do feel that our nation should take this into account in our dealings with this particular country. I am very familiar with their violation of human rights aimed at women, I lived within this country for a year. With that being stated, one can not deny that what Saudi Arabia is performing with drilling for more oil within their preserves that this will not helpful and is a great gesture being performed. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 7/3/2008 7:42:23 AM | Within socialist countries, the wealth is distributed more times to none equally as compared to a capitalistic system where we have poverty stricken citizens who can not afford the huge gas prices, therefore, the prices in europe can not be compared to US prices due to the fact, within Europe they are paid better as compared to some of our communities which only receive minimum wage.
You have a point, however, Europeans STILL can't afford gasoline and most of them drive teeny cars, or don't drive at all using bicycles, and where available mass transportation.
Yes, we are paying less than the people in Europe, but you could probably fit Europe inside of the state of Texas or Alaska. There is no comparison. Living in the Houston area with a terrible transit system one must own a good car to survive.
Please learn something about geography. France is about the size of Texas. All of Europe is about a third of the land mass of the US. Where do you get these ideas from?
I have homes in three cities: New York, Sausalito (right next to San Francisco), and Alexandria, VA (just outside of DC). Of the three, only the New York subway would take you just about anywhere you'd want to go within the city. I couldn't exist without a car in the other two places (and don't have one in NY). And as you can see by the list below, two of the cities in which I own homes have worse traffic than Houston. (Taken from Forbes "Worst Citites for Traffic").
1. Los Angeles, Long Beach, Santa Ana, Calif. 2. San Francisco, Oakland, Calif. 3. Washington, D.C. 4. Atlanta 5. Houston 6. Dallas, Fort Worth, Arlington, Tex. 7. Chicago. 8. Detroit 9. Riverside, San Bernardino, Calif. 9. Orlando, Fla. 11. San Jose, Calif. 12. San Diego
This 4.00 per gallon is killing me.
I bet, and the fact that you're driving some kind of gas guzzler doesn't help. Any car that takes $80 worth of gasoline has to be a minivan or SUV. Try driving a hybrid sedan like I do.
Brown kids? Last time I checked, there are many different colors of kids in the war, white, brown, black. Everyone is someone's kids, therefore, not just "brown kids" are dying.
I think the point was killing Iraqi kids, who are more or less "brown".
As far as the comments on socialism go. Blech. Our society already has too much socialism in it. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 7/3/2008 7:51:26 AM |
You have a point, however, Europeans STILL can't afford gasoline and most of them drive teeny cars, or don't drive at all using bicycles, and where available mass transportation.
You are absolutely correct about europeans driving teeny cars, however, while living there myself, I found that the primary reasoning for this was and is due to the overpopulated areas where parking is scarce and the sizes of the small streets make it virtually impossible for a large vehicle to travel the roads as well as parking.
Of course my reasoning excludes roads such as the autobahn. My references are to roads and parking outside of the autobahn.
The prices of gasoline as well as cigarettes within Germany alone, which is where I lived for over a period of 5 years and within different cities changed hardly at all. Ciggies were always 5 Deutsch marks as well as gas prices being steady. Sorry...I disagree with you, but I do understand where you are coming from with your analogies, but I've always said, our nation could learn alot from Europe, but socialism works for that particular continent, I do not believe it would work for ours. Also,,,since most of europe has converted to Euro's, this very well could be a reasoning for increase of gasoline, but from what I hear from my friends and family there, it has not changed dramatically. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 7/3/2008 8:03:57 AM | http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0872964.html
The US has proven oil reserves to last us less than 3 years @ current rate of consumption. We also have huge shale deposits of a waxy pre-oil substance that is cost-prohibitive to extract AND current technology requires huge strip mines to do so. Cost of gas will have to RISE substantially to make it worth it for Big Oil to start using these resources....
You can also check the Petroleum Engineers site for further info.
Iraq's own Ministry estimates upward of 4.5 MILLION orphans (27 million citizens = 1 in every 6 people is an orphan under the age of 18), UNICEF & other sources have shown that infant mortality is up over 125% since the war began....they USED to have one of the best records regarding children/health care in all of Africa/Middle East.
Now they have one of the worst.
Yeah.....we're really helping out those kids. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 7/3/2008 8:24:45 AM | Looks like Powell supports Obama
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Breaking from Newsmax.com
Colin Powell in Private Confab With Obama
Sen. Barack Obama and former Bush Secretary of State Colin Powell met privately two weeks ago, according to an exclusive report in the National Journal's On Call blog.
Powell, who last month in British Columbia hinted that he might vote for Obama, met with the all-but-certain Democratic presidential nominee in Powell's Alexandria, Va., office on June 18.
The meeting was confirmed by Peggy Cifrino, Powell's spokeswoman, who said the two met for about an hour. She told On Call that the meeting was "Just an informal conversation," and added, "There’s no looming endorsement. They came to talk about issues."
Cifrino said that Powell and Sen. John McCain met the week prior in Arlington.
On June 26, veteran Washington columnist Robert Novak wrote, "Powell probably will enter Obama's camp at a time of his own choosing." Later that day, On Call noted that Juan Williams, NPR senior correspondent and Fox News political contributor, touted a McCain/Powell pairing.
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 7/3/2008 8:33:49 AM | Alaskans dont want oil wells, nor do Californians want them on their shorelines, nor does Florida ....from what I understand and someone may correct me if I am wrong, but that means that the will of those people is being represented in Congress.
It's NOT a good thing to be so addicted to cheap and abundant energy as we are and still make brand new cars that only get 13 MPG in 2008.
Digging up Alaska and California is like some drug addict fishing through someone's wallet for money for their fix.
Fix the damned cars first. Make them 33 mpg instead of 13 mpg | |
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