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Posted: 7/6/2008 4:38:18 PM | What spin will the media have on this speech...
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Obama: Media response to Iraq remarks overblown
By JENNIFER LOVEN (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
July 06, 2008 5:41 AM EDT
ST. LOUIS - Barack Obama celebrated "active faith" as an obligation of religious Americans and a chief agent of societal change while speaking Saturday to a nearly all-black roomful of churchgoers, but hoping to reach far beyond them.
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/7/2008 7:30:53 AM | No spin needed. The man bounces all over the place on religion, and more importantly the issues.
Watch for big changes once the conventions are over. People aren't likely to vote for a candidate with no experience, when they figure out he has no vision either. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 10:18:09 AM | | I am seeing Obama pandering more and more to not just Center....but, Right of Center. This will not bode well with his base in the long run. McCain can maneuver in that zone and not have to compromise his stands/beliefs near as much... no where near..as much as Obama. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/7/2008 10:31:00 AM |
They are both career politicians..... & both have shown they will go where they think the votes are.
No surprise there.
The only surprises, and not in a good way, are coming from Obama. Most Voters have known McCain for most of their voting years. They know how much he will move in either direction. Which is some...but, not much. Obama, well, the Public only has a couple of years of actual Congress experience with him since he started his run for President soon after entering Congress... and he has now flip flopped on every single issue he ran his Primary on. Not a good sign. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/7/2008 10:43:53 AM |
Was against the Bush tax cuts....now for them.
Was for HIS OWN immigration bill...now against it.
Was against off shore drilling...now for it.
Was against ethanol production...now for it.
Was against Social Security Privatization...now for it.
Was for the estate tax...now against it.
McCain has done plenty of 'pandering' over the years........He may have been more stable in his actions when he had just the citizens of 1 state to contend with but he certainly seems to have caved to pressure & become less of a maverick now that he has to contend w/ the RNC & party power brokers.
I see Obama's move to center as being a very strategic one. Lean far left in a Primary that would be decided on who is Farthest from Bush/Washington & then turn to center for the main election. Makes good sense from a politacal strategy standpoint.
Both of these are what I would expect from the current state of our "Win at all costs" political system. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 12:07:52 PM | I was a democrat but have decided to vote republican.
My reason is clear. Democrats have gone to far left and have NO answers to anything except raising taxes or government programs.
Obama to me is not in no way qualified to be a mayor and now a future president?
Review his voting record. That is when he votes.
He claims to be a Christian but spent 20+ years in a anti-white anti-Jew church.
Hussein Obama received campaign money from criminals and associated himself with a former terroists.
He is no doubt a lier when he says he is patriotic. Only started wearing the American flag pin upon running for president.
Hussein Obama never served his country or supported the military.
Hussein Obama uses his white grandparents to try to gain favor with whites. Why does he never references his mother or father?
Hussein Obama would be a failure for this country.
His only noted acheivement is a community organizor. What is that? He can not prove any accomplishments. None.
I voted (Democrat) for Carter (mistake) years ago because he sounded good at the time and had some good ideas. I voted for Clinton (once). but now enough is enough. I want someone who have been there and done things. Someone who will support this great country and our military.
Hussein Obama is the wrong choice. He will be a black Jimmy Carter. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 5:04:07 PM | Spartan, if you voted for Carter, it must have been your first vote. We are only a few years apart. In 1976, I was 11 years old. Your profile states you are 45 and I am 42 going on 43 in August. I was not eligible to vote until 1983.
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Padwan, Please post your poll.
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Here is the latest gallup poll results and article.
TOP STORY
July 7, 2008
July Leader Lost in 6 of Last 9 Competitive U.S. Elections
Convention period could prove crucial in determining the winner
USADemocratsElection 2008RepublicansAmericasNorthern America
by Lydia Saad
PRINCETON, NJ -- In 9 of the past 15 U.S. presidential elections, the candidate who was leading in Gallup polling roughly four months before the election ultimately won the popular vote for president. However, narrowing the set of races to the nine that were competitive, the early polling proved prescient in only three of those.
With Barack Obama leading John McCain by no more than six percentage points in Gallup's early July polling, the 2008 race currently fits best into the "competitive" category. Given that assumption, Gallup's election trends from a comparable point in previous presidential election years offer no strong indication of whether Obama or McCain is headed for victory in November.
(In 1976, Jimmy Carter, who won that election, was ahead by 33 points in mid-July, but the race narrowed significantly by Election Day and he won by only two points. Thus, for the purposes of this analysis, the 1976 race is classified as competitive.) | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 5:32:54 PM | padawan: .""........, well, the Public only has a couple of years of actual Congress experience with him since he started his run for President soon after entering Congress... and he has now flip flopped on every single issue he ran his Primary on. Not a good sign.""""
THAT IS A LIE.
Another right winger comment: """The man bounces all over the place on religion, and more importantly the issues. ""
Apparantly, the Republicans are believing their own lies now.
The only issue I have seen him make a change on.........and change is good, not necessarily bad and not flip-flopping, either...........is public financing of campaigns , he saw fit to decline it aftrer he learned something about the Republican strategies planned.
Republicans play dirty. Mccain wanted to use public money and then let the jackels, the "swiftboat" and Rove types, run their extracirricular game. Obama doesnt want to play that game. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/7/2008 5:54:12 PM |
New poll out today. Can be found on internet later I would suppose. Being reported on News.
Majority sees McCain as 'old' 'experienced' 'trusted'
Majority sees Obama as 'young' 'inexperienced' 'dishonest'
Funny, I'm sure you saw it on the internet yourself, but forgot to mention the rest of it.
First of all,
Nine percent said Obama was dishonest, not "the majority".
Secondly,
Five percent said McCain was trustworthy, again, not "the majority".
Heck I'll just post the acutal real information.
http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-candidates-descriptions
How interesting that you chose to twist it into what you did. Good thing some people actually look to verify these things. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 6:12:48 PM | Here's your link on things Obama has flip flopped on. I'm sure you can find stuff on McCain also...it's just you said I lied and I didn't. Here's one source... you can go to Obama's actual voting record and his Primary platform and see, quite clearly I didn't 'lie'.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/11535.html
Faith,
When I was watching the news, I said the poll would probably be on the internet later today Think I saw it briefly on the Yahoo page which changes periodically throughout the day. It was a list of 10 terms for each Candidate. One of those kinda silly ones. I'll see if I can relocate it. I didn't bookmark it when I saw it. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 6:18:29 PM | Simmah found the link. Thanks for that.
I didn't 'twist' anything. I posted what I heard on the news portion of it. Nothing more or less. If I was going to 'twist' anything... I sure wouldn't have included McCain being termed 'old'. Ya think?
Do you people thrive on being mean spirited on this forum?
And, please don't give me the 'if you can't take the heat....etc.'. It's just amazing that mean spiritedness towards Conservatives is in such abundance. Why not simply agree to disagree in a civil manner? | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 6:19:05 PM | faith2565:
My, oh my, you are so polite in exposing one's lies.
I'm 45.
2008 minus 45 equals 1963. (or 1962, depending on one's birth date)
1976 minus 1962 equals 14.
spartann07: You've either lied in your post or lied in your profile. Which is it? | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 6:20:19 PM |
I didn't 'twist' anything. I posted what I heard on the news portion of it. Nothing more or less. If I was going to 'twist' anything... I sure wouldn't have included McCain being termed 'old'. Ya think?
But you did. Either you twisted it, or your 'news source' twisted it, because you posted that 'the majority' made these statements...and in reality, 'the majority' stated that 1) McCain was old, and 2) Obama stood for change and is a Washington outsider (a positive remark).
Do you people thrive on being mean spirited on this forum?
If expecting people to check facts and cite sources before they post propaganda is mean spirited, maybe you should try a Yahoo crossword. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 6:28:41 PM | The only issue I have seen him make a change on.........and change is good, not necessarily bad and not flip-flopping, either...........is public financing of campaigns , he saw fit to decline it aftrer he learned something about the Republican strategies planned. What are your media sources?? Obama has flipped and flopped more than a fish out of water. Campaign finance, Pastor Wright, Iraq, gas holiday, etc. It takes McCain 30 years to do a flip-flop; it takes Obama 30 minutes; that's the sort of "change" we can believe in???  Of course an Obamaholic won't see recognize these policy decision changes as flip-flops, rather some sort of "nuanced" mental talent that non-elitists aren't capable of recognizing. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 6:43:00 PM | Outdoor, you have me rolling, but he said he voted. Maybe it was in a jr. high or highschool mock election. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt. 
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There is no reason to debate over the poll Padwan. I have found it and here it is. Let's let everyone make his or her own conclusions..
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Top 10 answers voters gave to describe candidates
By The Associated Press
The top 10 answers people volunteered when asked to describe presidential candidates John McCain and Barack Obama, according to an Associated Press-Yahoo! News poll released Monday. Included is the percentage of people who gave each answer. More than one response was allowed.
John McCain:
1. Old, 19 percent
2. Military service, 9 percent
3. Record, qualifications, 8 percent
4. Bush, 7 percent
5. Strength, 7 percent
6. Insider, politician, 7 percent
7. Iraq, terrorism, 6 percent
8. Honest, 5 percent
9. Republican, 5 percent
10. (tie) Moral/good and dishonest, 4 percent
Barack Obama:
1. Outsider, change, 20 percent
2. Lack of experience, 13 percent
3. Dishonest, 9 percent
4. Inspiring, 8 percent
5. Liberal, 6 percent
6, 7 (tie). Obama's race, young, 6 percent
8. Not likable, 5 percent
9. Intelligent, 4 percent
10. Muslim, 3 percent
The AP-Yahoo! News poll of 1,759 adults was conducted from June 13-23 and had an overall margin of sampling error of plus or minus 2.3 percentage points. The poll was conducted over the Internet by Knowledge Networks, which initially contacted people using traditional telephone polling methods and followed with online interviews.
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Posted: 7/7/2008 7:02:16 PM | Padawan™:
I've exposed two of your posts: 597 and 640. You have either not bothered to check to see if what you post is accurate or you simply don't care what the truth is and will grasp at any straw that appears to either make Obama look bad or McCain look good.
It does nothing to further serious, honest debate...it, in fact, derails it. I'm beginning to wonder which wolf you are feeding.
It takes McCain 30 years to do a flip-flop....
LOL...try 30 days (see post 675) refute at will.... | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 9:45:18 AM | What really turns me off about the O. man, is his entire demeaner has changed. He is now, playing the part of a rock star to the hilt. Hes accepting his nomination at the football stadium. How cheesy is that?
Obama is scheduled to deliver his acceptance speech on Thursday, Aug. 28, the fourth and final night of the convention. It coincides with the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I Have a Dream" speech on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in 1963. He will definately get more funding money and a few more votes.
I must say, it was a brillant step. Someone is looking out for him. Wonder what he will do when he is on his own.
Almost every time I see Barack Obama on television, he’s standing at a podium with the word “CHANGE” emblazoned across it.
It’s a powerful, subliminal message repeated again and again. There is no doubt that he owns the “change” mantra. But change in and of itself isn’t necessarily a good thing.
In fact, if you dig deep, beyond the sloganeering, you will find that the change Obama is calling for could prove to be harmful.
And as far as McCain being 'old'..I dont see that as being a problem if he has an outstanding v.p. to take over for him, if there should be an issue. In my opinion old is 80. And Id rather be old than thought of as dishonest. So, I dont seeing 'old' as being an issue at all. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 3:05:15 PM | Yes, the stadium is over the top, but this is a very important day. If he does not become president,he was nominated. The first person of color (known) to run for the highest position in the land and it is the anniversary of the famous 'I had a dream speech'. He is also imitating Pres. Kennedy.
Yes, I agree it is over the top, but this is a very important (historical) day. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 3:15:21 PM | Welcome back SimmahDahnNah,
You have come back strong.
That was a good.
What do you think of McCain's new plan to lower taxes for the middle class or is he going to side with big business in the end.
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Obama ad attacks McCain on energy solutions
By JIM KUHNHENN (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
July 08, 2008 4:10 PM EDT
WASHINGTON - In his first negative ad of the general election campaign, Democrat Barack Obama said John McCain is "part of the problem" of high gas prices and tried to parry Republican criticism of his own energy policy.
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Obama calls McCain part of problem with bankruptcy
By LIZ SIDOTI (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
July 08, 2008 4:12 PM EDT
POWDER SPRINGS, Ga. - Barack Obama called on Tuesday for changing federal bankruptcy laws to help military families, seniors and victims of natural disasters, and accused John McCain of repeatedly siding with the banking industry when Congress acted on the issue.
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