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Posted: 7/10/2008 12:59:38 PM | I would bet you anything that the 65 group and up are primarily the evangelicals...I have already went up on a soapbox referencing that group....so I won't repeat myself again and I will spare all of you!!!! lol
I personally believe Obama will receive the majority of the hispanic vote but I do feel that McCain will make up for this through the conservatives/independents as well as the Evangelicals and veteran votes...meaning..the conservative south and even though I do believe most of the undecided will not vote......I believe McCain will receive the majority of those undecided's if they do vote, solely on the grounds that people are bitter that Hillary got beaten out by Obama...it's going to be a close one folks.
One must admit no matter which side of the fence they are voting this year, the election is becoming exciting...with both candidates holding their own. | |
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Posted: 7/10/2008 2:56:58 PM | faith2564
i'm 51 born 1957 and yes Carter was my 1st vote. My age on my profile is wrong.
Carter was the worst president in modern history and Obama would be worst.
He will devide whites & blacks & against everything I believe in.
Blacks are voting for Obama ONLY because he is black. If he was white he would get NO support from blacks.
Obama has no record of doing anything except making speeches.
Hillary would have been much better or even Edwards. | |
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Posted: 7/10/2008 3:08:58 PM | I have become an Independant since this campaign started. I hope everyone on this forum votes. However vote wisely. Look at each candidate's voting record.
What they have accomplished. Any school teacher, professor or politician can make good speeches, but it's the values, commitment to this country and morals that counts to me.
I will vote for McCain.
Not Hussein Obama who is the most liberal senator ever.
I vote for the person not the party he belongs to.
I vote for character and value that person brings.
I vote for the candidate not because he is a certain skin color. I believe that most black americans vote for Obama only because he is black.
So, either vote for John McCain or Hussein Obama. Important thing is to vote. | |
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Posted: 7/10/2008 3:15:47 PM | Not all blacks are voting for Obama because of race, but I do not have time to argue that point. One will believe what one believes. Despite everything he is still in the lead.
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Poll: Obama extends national lead over McCain
By The Associated Press
From Associated Press
July 10, 2008 1:12 PM EDT
THE RACE: The presidential race nationally
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THE NUMBERS
Barack Obama, 48 percent
John McCain, 40 percent
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OF INTEREST:
Obama's lead in the Pew Research Center poll is slightly larger than his 3 percentage point edge in May. While interest in the race is generally high, it has risen more among younger than older voters since the 2004 campaign. Four in 10 say Obama's national inexperience will hurt his candidacy, about twice the number who say he'll be hurt by being black. Half say McCain, 71, will be hurt by his age. Eight in 10 who supported McCain's Republican rivals for the nomination now support him, compared to seven in 10 Clinton backers now behind Obama. A third of registered voters say they are undecided or may change their minds - far more than said so at this stage in 2004. Independents are evenly split between the two. Obama is doing better with voters under age 50 than Democrat John Kerry was at this point in 2004. But he trails McCain among voters 65 and up - a group Kerry was leading then. Twelve percent say Obama is a Muslim when in fact he is Christian, about the same proportion who said so in March.
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July 9, 2008
McCain’s Age Seen as More of a Problem Than Obama’s Race
Majority, however, see neither as an obstacle to effective governing
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by Frank Newport
PRINCETON, NJ -- Twenty-three percent of Americans say John McCain's age would make him a less effective president were he to win in November, while only 8% say Barack Obama's race would make him less effective.
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July 9, 2008
Obama Gaining Among Voters With Less Formal Education
Has erased deficit to McCain
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by Jeffrey M. Jones
PRINCETON, NJ -- In June, voters with a high school education or less were as likely to prefer John McCain as to prefer Barack Obama for president. That represents a change from earlier in the campaign -- McCain led Obama among this group during the prior three months, but by diminishing margins.
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July 8, 2008
Religious Intensity Predicts Support for McCain
Hispanic Catholics and black Protestants provide notable exceptions
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PRINCETON, NJ -- Americans who say religion is an important part of their daily lives support John McCain over Barack Obama for president, 50% to 40%, while their less religious counterparts support Obama over McCain, 55% to 36%.
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Posted: 7/10/2008 3:44:02 PM | You know, I actually support what Obama said while he was here about kids needing to learn another language, whether it is Spanish or any other language. We are living in a more diverse global society and with Latinos fast becoming the largest minority group in the U.S. knowing Spanish will definitely be advantageous.
Also, I'm not sure how it is in other states, but in GA, Foreign language is a requirement in order to graduate high school. One of my kids did Spanish the other did French. I did both Spanish and French in high school and although I am not fluent, knowing another language has been beneficial.
Regarding Jackson's comments about Obama, I am happy that the Obama camp did not make an issue about this and accepted his apology. To me, Jackon's comments only highlights how different both men are. For him to think that Obama was 'talking down' to black folks by emphasizing the need to be responsible, get an education and the like is just plain silly. Obama is making it clear that there will be no 'free ride'!!
Obama 2008!! | |
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Posted: 7/10/2008 5:00:09 PM | Obama does make an excellent point about foreign languages. In many European nations, people speak several languages fluently. If we let our upcoming generations be monolingual, they will be at a huge disadvantage, and will also lack appreciation for other cultures.
I agree with Faith: Obama '08!! | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/10/2008 6:08:35 PM | I read that McCain is having a difficult time finding a platform. He's not religious enough (or pushing a religious enough agenda) for the evangelicals, who don't like him.
He's not "hard right" enough for the hard right of the party, and they don't like him.
He could possibly play well with Reagan Democrats and unhappy Hillary people, but two problems: 1) are they big enough to carry him? and 2) Although he, himself is a moderate/soft Republican, he's portraying himself as more conservative to win over his party, and Obama's very presence makes him look more conservative to the American public. This could hurt him with people who still view themselves as primarily Democratic.
Latinos (technically, a "sort of" swing group) don't seem to like him all that much for issues relating to the war and to illegal immigration. (And it doesn't help that Hispanic leaders like Bill Richardson are in the Obama camp).
Catholics favor him over Obama, but by a surprisingly low margin. I think it's about ten percent, which is a lead, yes, but not as much of a lead as he should have, if voting trends in the past are any clue.
He has ignored the youth vote (under 25ers) mostly, which is probably sound, as he fares extremely poorly with them (and the same with the black vote). However, as a member of the "youth vote" myself, I am keenly aware that he is not talking to me when he gives speeches; he's talking to my grandmother. It makes me like him less. Part of Obama's appeal is that he's reached out to people like me who have gotten used to being ignored by politicians because they're either part of a small voting bloc (Native Americans, as an example) or because they're part of a historically low-voter turnout bloc (young people and blacks). McCain has not done the same, which is part of the reason few people are energized about his candidacy. He's not made people feel important, not made people feel a part of the process.
He's not doing that great with Jews, but Republicans rarely do. Jews are a small voting bloc, but they're always extremely involved, vocal, and always (always) always always vote. Having the Jewish vote only helps a politician, and I think Bloomberg's speech helped Obama in the Jewish community (my granny is a lost cause, but that's another story).
Women favor Obama by a higher amount than expected, factoring in angry Hillary supporters who are voting McCain, Nader, or not at all (most of whom are women). McCain has not played well with women on the issue of the war (women support the war by a lesser margin than men do) and obvious issues of reproductive rights and other issues that affect women (the fair wage act).
White men favor McCain, but not as much as they "should".
The only group McCain blows Obama out of the water in is the senior citizen group, to my knowledge.
Blocs he should have by a landslide, he doesn't. He's never been the darling of his party, has always been viewed as a sort of "he'll do" type of person. This election was no different. He wasn't picked because he was great. He was picked because he wasn't the worst choice. This is especially clear when seeing what kinds of states are on the table. VIRGINIA? That was a gimme to former Republican candidates. The fact that that state is south of the Mason-Dixon and Obama is black should have helped sew that one right up for McCain, but it hasn't. That's a problem for them, and a big one at that. It's also indicative of changing trends and voting groups and ideals.
I think a major part of his candidacy's problem is that he is viewed in relation to Obama. When I talk to people about Obama, their eyes light up. People talk about his education reform, his anti-war stance, his community service ideas. They talk about how much they love him and how great he is.
When I talk to people about McCain, they talk about how bad Obama is. Rarely, does anyone go on and on about what a stellar candidate McCain is; instead, they talk about why they don't like Obama. That's not good news; a candidate's supporters should be talking about their candidate on his own merits, not solely in relation to the other candidate.
Another problem that McCain has is that he needs to attack Obama to win votes--but he can't do that. The Republican party is divided on that issue. Some say "bring out the guns" and want McCain to run Obama's name through the mud. Others (Mike Huckabee comes to mind) warn that that's the surest way to lose. Obama is well-liked as a human being by a lot of people. To smear someone like him isn't wise, but what is McCain supposed to do? He'll look like a bully if he attacks Obama--and in this election, "playing nice" seems to be what Americans want to see.
It seems like McCain is fighting an uphill battle and struggling to find both relevance in today's society and struggling to find a platform. He's floundered with every step, his campaign workers being shuffled around and interchanging, he can't be "too mean" to Obama, but a faction of his party is demanding that he do that (and is even putting out ads of their own smearing Obama, which McCain's own campaign is trying to put an end to because it reflects on McCain himself). He can't be "too nice" to Obama, either, because he needs to find a way to sully him somehow or he will lose. He is also in the tenuous position of being the underdog (which Americans love) but being SEEN as not-the-underdog. That's bad; the underdog label only works if people view you as an underdog. If you're the underdog and people think you're on top, well, then you got a problem.
I read news articles on the election every day. I look at four different major news sites daily and read everything I can on each candidate. I know what Obama stands for, but I can't tell about McCain. To me, a liberal, he seems the same as Bush. Many of his supporters say that isn't true, but I don't see the difference. | |
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Posted: 7/10/2008 6:17:59 PM | Hey littleaudrey --
You're right. McCain isn't speaking to the 25 and under crowd, but you've heard of baby boomers?
Well, baby boomers and those older than baby boomers comprise two-thirds of the population.
In July both Gore and Kerry had a HUGE lead (much better than Obama's doing right now).
I think once the pedal hits the metal, it's going to be McCain. I voted for both Gore and Kerry, but I'll be voting for McCain. | |
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Posted: 7/10/2008 6:32:42 PM | Obama does make an excellent point about foreign languages. In many European nations, people speak several languages fluently. Incorrect; Obama didn't recommend that Americans become multilingual like Europeans, he said Americans should learn to speak Spanish. That's a big difference. If he wanted Americans to be multilingual, why not learn Chinese, Russian, Slovak, French etc? Nope, SPANISH; obvious voter pandering to anybody who isn't an Obamaholic. Padawan and I certainly aren't the only two Americans able to see through Obama's veneer.
When I talk to people about McCain, they talk about how bad Obama is. Rarely, does anyone go on and on about what a stellar candidate McCain is; instead, they talk about why they don't like Obama. You certainly haven't been talking to me; I'm independent, more Democrat than Republican; I don't "hate" Obama rather I don't see him possessing any significant "presidential" experience; no one has any idea where Obama stands on issues; I'm a big McCain fan, he isn't trying to do a college thesis, go into histrionics, orate like a preacher, or look to engage his ego when talking to the public. That's more my style; substance over the pharamceutical sales rep. | |
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Posted: 7/10/2008 8:24:11 PM | Excellent posting Littleaudrey,
That is all I hear. Not why they like McCain, just why they do not like Obama. But it is beginning to show in the polls. Obama has a lead in almost every category. See message #730
Bikeman, I thought you were a hardcore Hillary fan. But, you have admitted you preferred McCain over Obama. It is nice to see you. Have you viewed what he actually said on YouTube. I know you miss the Hillary forum.
Below in your own words.....
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That's certainly debatable; Hillary of the three has the most White House exposure, and it was exposure in a successful presidency, unprecendented in that it produced national surplusses; in my eyes (and in the eyes of many others) she is the MOST capable of the three; I'd rank them Hillary/McCain/Obama. #2413
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Flyonthewall, he has that age group more so he has the educated classes of that age group. He is improving with the uneducated classes of that age group.
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Obama Gaining Among Voters With Less Formal Education
Has erased deficit to McCain
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PRINCETON, NJ -- In June, voters with a high school education or less were as likely to prefer John McCain as to prefer Barack Obama for president. That represents a change from earlier in the campaign -- McCain led Obama among this group during the prior three months, but by diminishing margins.
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Simmah, yes I have been following what was said by about people 'whinning'. I guess both parties are now equal.
Yesterday Obama and Spainish, today McCain's man and 'whinning'. Honestly, I am getting tired of the both of them and their supporters making all of these statements that they must continously apologize for or distance themselves from that person.
In my eyes they are both fishing for votes. I still support Obama, but they both need to just chill, take a vacation and get back on point with the facts. If they have not realized anything they say or their neighbor says will be held against them by the media.
Speaking of that Spike Lee has made a statement concerning Jesse Jackson.
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Spike Lee takes Jackson to task for comments; says Obama victory will bring `seismic change'
By LYNN ELBER (AP Television Writer)
From Associated Press
July 10, 2008 6:58 PM EDT
BEVERLY HILLS, California - Spike Lee says the Rev. Jesse Jackson's crudely phrased criticism of Barack Obama won't affect the Democrat's campaign, which the filmmaker expects to succeed at bringing "seismic" change to the world.
"I don't think his (Jackson's) comments help anybody. It's just unfortunate," Lee said after taking part in a Television Critics Association panel.
Lee predicted Obama would be elected in November.
"When that happens, it will change everything. ... You'll have to measure time by `Before Obama' and `After Obama,'" Lee said during the panel. "It's an exciting time to be alive now."
The presidency of the first African-American will ripple throughout arts, sports and more, said Lee, whose films include "Malclom X" and "Do the Right Thing."
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Posted: 7/10/2008 9:14:38 PM | I'd rank them Hillary/McCain/Obama. I'd still rank them in that order. Hillary's not in the race. Obama clearly doesn't measure up to either McCain or Hillary in order of experience and presidential "intangibles". So between McCain and Obama, I'd select McCain. If Obama asks Hillary to be his VP and she accepts, I might consider voting for Obama, but probably wouldn't, that selection would be typical Obama political pandering, and his lack of experience and his ludicrous flip-flopping just gives me a queasy feeling. There's no way to tell what Obama will do. I don't trust what he would change--whether he'd just be a left-wing puppet, if he could think extemporaneously, make foolish decisions due to lack of experience. Read Krauthammer's article that came out this week. I'm not Krauthammer fan but I sort of agree with much of his political analysis this election season.
That is all I hear. Not why they like McCain, just why they do not like Obama. I'm not really that much into politics, but I have pretty good bullshit radar; Obama sets it off for sure, he's like the consummate politician, and I don't like consummate politicians. I like McCain's intangibles. I like that he is a maverick. He is NOT the consummate politician. Despite that he is Republican, I'd choose him over Obama. I don't vote straight party. I vote for candidates mostly based on Commander-In-Chief criteria; Obama ranks very low in that regard. Just wait until he 180s on Iraq if he ever has the balls to make a trip to Iraq before the election. The spin is coming. I'd like to see a Democrat as president, but not Obama 2008. Give him four years to learn more, he'd be good in 2012, I'd have no problem voting for him if he had any sort of experience that shows that he isn't flip-flopping just to leap-frog and stepping-stone his way to the top. The way he leaves more qualified experienced people in his wake, people that aren't mesmerizing folks, people that aren't benefitting from ridiculously positive media exposure, that just turns me off to him, sorry. | |
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Posted: 7/11/2008 12:52:05 AM |
ncorrect; Obama didn't recommend that Americans become multilingual like Europeans, he said Americans should learn to speak Spanish. That's a big difference. If he wanted Americans to be multilingual, why not learn Chinese, Russian, Slovak, French etc? Nope, SPANISH;
Ummm...did it ever occur to you that Spanish would be the logical choice of language? French is very similar to Spanish... another logical choice, because once you learn one, the other becomes much easier.
It has been scientifically proven that learning another language...ANY LANGUAGE actually increases brain capacity....who'd a thunk?
If one was to attempt to increase their brain capacity via learning a new language, it would Logically be the language spoken by people who live side by side with you whos' native language is different than yours. That way, they get to learn your language, you get to learn theirs....thus...not one...but two brains capacities are enriched...
...It's a slam dunk!
I mean...hell...we're all just humans, ain't we?
Just a thought, but....maybe Mandarin should be a language worth learning....afterall, the vast majority of the U.S. debt is owned by people that claim it as their first language. It's no wonder E.S.L. programs have been so successful.
Obama........and his ludicrous flip-flopping just gives me a queasy feeling.
Yet you have no problem with McCain's? I have cite several, but have yet to be refuted.
I like that he is a maverick.
In what sense, exactly? That he voted against the Bush tax cuts, but now he wants to extend them? | |
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Posted: 7/11/2008 3:28:00 AM | I vote for candidates mostly based on Commander-In-Chief criteria; Obama ranks very low in that regard.
How so? Lincoln did a pretty good job as a war president and he had zero military experience, didn't he? JFK did a good job as well....Bay of Pigs, Cuban Missle Crisis...not one day served in uniform. I'm sure there are other examples, but if you are basing CIC criteria on military service alone, I think that's a little flimsy.
Give him four years to learn more
What could he learn as a Senator in the next four years that he doesn't already know now that would make you confident in his abilities?
I saw a sound byte on McCain yesterday, where he was asked about his vote against insurance companies paying for birth control pills, but pro-paying for Viagra. He said he didn't really give it much thought. Ok, it's not Iraq or the environment or the economy, but don't you know how you vote and why you voted that way? Or did you vote a certain way to shut up the lobbyists in your grill? Tell me that's not typical politician. Tell me that's maverick. I wonder what other votes he cannot elaborate on due to dismissive thinking? | |
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Posted: 7/11/2008 5:16:53 AM | Flyonthewall, he has that age group more so he has the educated classes of that age group. He is improving with the uneducated classes of that age group.
I'm not aware of any poll that says Obama "has" the baby boomers, and FWIW, I have two masters degreees one of them from Harvard, so I guess that puts me in the "educated classe of that age group".
Lincoln did a pretty good job as a war president and he had zero military experience, didn't he?
Oh yes he did! He was in the Illinois State Militia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Presidents_by_military_service
JFK did a good job as well....Bay of Pigs, Cuban Missle Crisis...not one day served in uniform.
You've got to be kidding me! Kennedy not only served in the military, he was a war hero. Do you know why JFK had a bad back? Ever hear of a movie starring Cliff Robertson called "PT-109"? EEK.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PT_109_(film)
Kennedy received a Purple Heart for injuries and the Navy and Marine Corps Medal for heroism in that incident.
We had 11 Presidents (out of 43) who never served in the military. However, both Kennedy AND Lincoln did serve. | |
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Posted: 7/11/2008 8:54:23 AM | | Ok, sorry about that post, thanks for correcting me. I do remember now that JFK was in the military. I just watched Thirteen Days last week, and the general tone of that was that the republicans painted him as a bleeding heart....I must have been assuming. At any rate, I don't see why it's important to base commander in chief qualifications on military experience alone. The president has military advisers to help him make any decisions he's facing. And I could mention here that while W was "in the military", he is no war hero....we all know how that went down. | |
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Posted: 7/11/2008 9:10:48 AM |
It is not hurting him that much. Jesse may help him more.
Ya know what.. I would believe that.
This is such a bizarre race. Any kind of bad publicity just makes the democrats want him more. Whats up with that? Its like we've turned into this "Bizarre-0 World". Nothing is as it seems.
Hopefully this isnt the kind of 'change' he is talking about. | |
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Posted: 7/11/2008 9:26:47 AM |
Any kind of bad publicity just makes the democrats want him more. Whats up with that?
What's up with that is that is an inaccurate generalization. The FISA bill, for example. Of course, it is important not to confuse "disappointed with Obama" with "not voting for him." | |
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Posted: 7/11/2008 5:03:44 PM | This is excellent news. Now, for the gas....
Top News
Senate passes foreclosure rescue
By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
July 11, 2008 6:39 PM EDT
WASHINGTON - A mortgage rescue to help hundreds of thousands of struggling homeowners avoid foreclosure and get more affordable, safer loans passed the Senate overwhelmingly Friday, but it faces a bumpy road amid continuing turmoil in the housing market.
How will this effect the election? | |
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Posted: 7/11/2008 5:35:45 PM |
Ummm...did it ever occur to you that Spanish would be the logical choice of language? No it is not "logical". No other state has a "primary" language other than English. Now if I was a business owner primarily serving English-illiterate people whose primary language is Spanish, then perhaps I'd be motivated to learn Spanish. By the way, yo hablo espanol un poco (solamente).
If one was to attempt to increase their brain capacity via learning a new language, it would Logically be the language spoken by people who live side by side with you whos' native language is different than yours. I'm more exposed to people who speak Chinese than I am exposed to people who speak Spanish. Does it follow logically that I should learn how to speak Chinese?
Obama........and his ludicrous flip-flopping just gives me a queasy feeling...Yet you have no problem with McCain's? I have cite several, but have yet to be refuted. Sure I've got issues with McCain's flip-flops; all successful politicians flip-flop; but McCain's flip-flops don't trouble me as much as Obama's; primarily because my sense is that he changes his political stance due to life experiences both inside and outside Washington; Obama changes his opinions because he is opportunistic.
I like that he is a maverick...In what sense, exactly? He is not a puppet of the extreme fringe of his party, unlike Obama.
I vote for candidates mostly based on Commander-In-Chief criteria; Obama ranks very low in that regard...How so? Lincoln did a pretty good job as a war president and he had zero military experience One might state Lincoln was a terrible commander in chief; he headed a union of states with a vast economic advantage over the confederate states, and with an economic embargo the civil war lasted over 4 years, he presided over the war with the greatest number of American casualties.
Give him four years to learn more...What could he learn as a Senator in the next four years that he doesn't already know now that would make you confident in his abilities? One thing is that it takes bipartisan support to accomplish anything in Washington; advantage clearly McCain in this respect; Obama MAY have potential here but who knows? since he is constantly flip-flopping his stance on issues, no one (perhaps not even Obama) has any idea what Obama will actually do if he is in a position of power. | |
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Posted: 7/11/2008 5:39:02 PM | Little Audrey's post was FANTASTIC  !!
As for commanders in chief without military experience, FDR did a fine job during the WWII era. Common sense and being able to make rational decisions is the most important criteria for a commander in chief. McCain is too much of a "loose cannon" to be an effective CIC.
I agree that Obama's victory will change so many things in this world--for the better! Spike Lee is right--Obama is the man we need to lead us forward instead of moving us backward.
NIACCM NHOJ Backwards
BARACK OBAMA Forward!! Go Forward and Make Progress! Go OBAMA!! | |
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Posted: 7/11/2008 6:04:00 PM |
One thing is that it takes bipartisan support to accomplish anything in Washington; advantage clearly McCain in this respect; Obama MAY have potential here but who knows? since he is constantly flip-flopping his stance on issues, no one (perhaps not even Obama) has any idea what Obama will actually do if he is in a position of power.
Of course McCain has more bipartisan bills than Obama...he's been in the Senate since the dawn of time. But when Hillary was still in it, I remember reading an article that said Obama had more bills presented and signed with republicans than Hillary did. Republicans do (or did, anyway) like him. He is not "constantly flip-flopping". Stop watching FOX news!!! | |
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