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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/18/2008 3:21:53 PM |
McCain has started a negative commercial concerning Obama's views on the war. I thought that both of the candidates stated they would not run this part of the election on attacks. Basing that on the primaries with Clinton. Is more flip flopping going on
Actually, Obama started it in an ad which names McCain by name. It was on the news, a couple of weeks ago, that up to that point, only the issues had been referenced and Obama pulled the first punch with saying McCain's name in a negative way. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/18/2008 4:50:50 PM | | Well the whole thing about attacking someone is this-if mccain says something that is the truth about obama, saying the exact words about the policies he espouses, all of a sudden its concidered an attack. why is that when he acually said thats what he wants to do? if you say that obama wants to raise taxes on everyone, which clearly he does and said he would in all of the dem. debates, its an attack. if you say that obama's policies smack of socialism, which they do, its concidered an attack. can we not say anything about the guy, when you can prove it to be true, without it being an attack? i don't like some of mccains positions either, but clearly obama wants government to control the means of production in our country, which is defined in websters dictionary as "socialism". i'm not trying to "firebait" anyone or whatever it's called in the rules here, i would just like to compare the two candidates on the issues, and discuss them. its my opinion that overtaxing anyone and restraining them to make a good living on any income level is wrong. pulling out of iraq in the midst of a victory is wrong. not getting our own oil and snubbing nuclear power is wrong. also im not a biggot. if obama were a conservative, i wouldn't hesitate for a second to vote for him, but he's not. well here i am, and looking for a rational debate. and remember, i attacked no one. this is what obama wants to do, and i disagree with his policies, and thats it. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/18/2008 5:32:22 PM | | i love this-obama doesn't get money from geo. soros, greenpeace, sierra club, moveon .org, daily koz? and every left leaning group from hollywood, and the anti-war hate america first people like bill ayres and others? yeah right! go mix another drink and relax. good joke by the way hun, you'll go far. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/18/2008 7:30:37 PM | Faith, the Republicans have been going negative on Obama from the get go....have you been to the RNC site?
After the lies of the past 7+ years, the last thing I would believe is anything coming out of the mouth of a Republican.
Obama 2008!! | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/18/2008 7:52:06 PM | Padwan, so if one does it then the other should do it as well. They both said they were not going to do that so once they started the general campaign, They BOTH flip/flop.
Brandi, what I fear is the republican party is good at telling the American public what they desire to hear as opposed to the truth. Bush did it in his last two elections and used religion as the common denominator.
McCain's people (because McCain has not said much, he admits he does not know) are saying what the average American wants to hear and instead of religion it is now being patriotic.
I guess we will not learn from the past. People will not be happy until this war last 5 more years, we lose 5000 more lives and gas is 10.00 a gallon with no Americans with insurance.
The issues we heard in the primaries that were so important, are now not as important to the average American when it comes to voting now.
One thing I can say the republicans are smart. The democrats focus on ivy league educated Americans (no where close to the average citizen). The republicans focus on large prominent state universities like University of Texas and Texas A&M (strong alumni) which often becomes your educated middle/upper middle class. They target a population that is large enough to vote and make a difference in the voting, while telling the average American just want they desire to hear.
Democrats are still crying over Hillary and going from Hillary to McCain because they are 'mad'. This has become so personal people do not care about the country.
What happen to all of the strong convictions of the PURE democrats during the primaries. This is truly sad! | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/18/2008 9:17:39 PM | Well The dems want to tax you to death on the basis of health ins. id rather get my own. i dont want to pay for your health ins. GOING TO GIVE YOU HARSH REALITY IF YOU VOTE OBAMA.
Say down the road, you get to old and you need to go to a nursing home, your family can no longer take care of you. your 102 yrs old and you've become to wild for them. under the current system today, your family would say, "Well grandma, you can go to a county run nursing home, or a private one, which do you want?" I'd hope you'd say privately run. Under the obama plan, you'd have NO MORE PRIVATELY RUN NURSING HOMES, ONLY GOVERNMENT RUN NURSING HOMES, NO CHOICE AT ALL!!! I don't want to die that way -do you? | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/19/2008 4:47:34 PM | Let's say you're an employer. Most employers hire the most qualified individual based on the credentials of their resume. If the individual has little to nothing to show, would you hire him/her just based on what they say? would you trust that individual to run your company? What if that individual has a past affiliation that's against the values of your company? Now what do you think?
You can't hire someone based on just because you like him/her (personality) or because of the pressure of meeting a quota. If you do choose to let the individual to run the company, let it be known that its a 4 year contract.
Think about it.
That's how I'm voting.
I'm very interested in the debates in November. I wonder how an empty suit with a questionable past is going to pull it off. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/19/2008 5:49:31 PM | Actually, I'd hire that young, brilliant, Harvard educated guy with vision, sound judgement and lots of potential; who has a reputation of working well with a diverse group of people, and heading a well run business/campaign. That old guy who has a reputation of firing his staff every few weeks and who appears to be so set in his ways that he does not take advise from anyone, would not be good for business!
The choice is clear....Obama all the way! | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/19/2008 6:08:54 PM | I cant wait to see the debates!
McCain is gonna get steam rolled by Obama! Its gonna be live, the talking points wont work as Obama (as well as the rest of us) have heard them over and over in the last 7+ years from Bush and his supporters.
Obama will be prepared, McCain will loose his confidence once he realizes how well prepared Obama is to see him.
"walk softly and carry a big stick" T.R
I suspect this is when Obama will combat McCains talking points with the plans he's long been critisized for not being more specific about.
This will be the most historical debate since Kennedy Vs. Nixon, and McCain is gonna sweat-it-out on national TV while the whole world watches. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/19/2008 8:19:58 PM | I think it is going to be fun I picked them both out saying to myself, "If either McCain or Obama win the ticket I'll vote for them" I never dremt at that time it would be to of my favorites going at it they are both very good men from what I know strong and able to lead. I agree with them on every issue I disagree with the other.
Obama has my vote not because he is better looking and I'm a woman nor because I am black. I line up with him on the pick your canidate screener. He beat out McCian by 20%. The world wants him over McCain also. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/19/2008 8:54:34 PM | Actually, I'd hire that young, brilliant, Harvard educated guy with vision, sound judgement and lots of potential; who has a reputation of working well with a diverse group of people, and heading a well run business/campaign...The choice is clear Actually, this is a Presidential election and we are not on the board of directors of a "business"; I'd vote for the Navy veteran who has legitimate government experience and a proven track record as it relates to bipartisan political projects instead of voting for a no-experience flip-flopping flim-flamming slick-talking pharmaceutical sales rep-like opportunist. You are right, the choice is clear.
I cant wait to see the debates!...Obama will be prepared, McCain will loose his confidence once he realizes how well prepared Obama is to see him. You mean Obama will somehow learn debating skills that he couldn't seem to display when Hillary kicked his ass in the Philly debate? No doubt the guy is smart and he might have a better debate performance (can't see how it could be worse), but he's running scared of McCain, first Obama said he wanted a dozen debates then he cowered away to work on his internet campaign financing. When Obama isn't orating to his followers, reading a carefully scripted series of fuzzy messages off teleprompters, he's like a deer in the headlights. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/19/2008 9:03:04 PM | ...the one that fired his staff....his entire staff....that one? Good luck with that.
In the meantime Obama has a support team of over 300 working on world policy. Big ole bunch of thought leaders all divided up into groups that advise him on a daily basis. Yeah, ummmmm that's how government is run. That's how sound decisions are made; via consensus and collective wisdom amassed by the best of the best. Than a commander in chief with the intellectual prowess to actually synthesize this information and make tough decisions. Tough........not stupid.......there is a difference altho' we've lost sight of that over the last EIGHT years or so.
Those are whose hands I want this country in. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/19/2008 9:22:21 PM | I heard that too. 300 Support staff for World Policy. OMG! Talk about all the indecision that will be rampant when a tough choice has to be made. We would have 150 saying... what do we do...while the other 150 would be negotiating with the terrorist. Obama breaks the tie and goes with negotiations. Then, somewhere on America soil, we hear the awful gut wrenching sound of Boom. Boom. Boom. That's Reality. Spelled with a capital R.
Scary as hell.
Be Sane. Vote McCain '08! | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/19/2008 9:52:44 PM | You only missed a few......
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/18/us/politics/18advisers.html?_r=1&pagewanted=1&oref=slogin
A Cast of 300 Advises Obama on Foreign Policy
"WASHINGTON — Every day around 8 a.m., foreign policy aides at Senator Barack Obama’s Chicago campaign headquarters send him two e-mails: a briefing on major world developments over the previous 24 hours and a set of questions, accompanied by suggested answers, that the candidate is likely to be asked about international relations during the day......“It is unwieldy, no question,” said Denis McDonough, 38, Mr. Obama’s top foreign policy aide, speaking of an infrastructure that has been divided into 20 teams based on regions and issues, and that has recently absorbed, with some tensions, the top foreign policy advisers from Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s presidential campaign. “But an administration is unwieldy, too. We also know that it’s messier when you don’t get as much information as you can.”
But who knows......maybe it is okay to just go ahead and make foreign policy decisions that affect thousands of lives with the WRONG INFORMATION.....
"Most of the core members of his team served in government during President Bill Clinton’s administration and by and large were junior to the advisers who worked on Mrs. Clinton’s campaign for the Democratic nomination. But they remain in charge within the campaign even as it takes on more senior figures from the Clinton era, like two former secretaries of state, Madeleine K. Albright and Warren Christopher, and are positioned to put their own stamp on the party’s foreign policy.
Most of them, like the candidate they are working for, distinguished themselves from Mrs. Clinton’s foreign policy camp by early opposition to the Iraq war. They also tend to be more liberal and to emphasize using the “soft power” of diplomacy and economic aid to try to advance the interests of the United States. Still, their positions fall well within centrist Democratic foreign policy thinking, and none of the deep policy fissures that have divided the Republicans into two camps, the neoconservatives and the so-called pragmatists, have opened."
I'd cut and paste a few more paragraphs but...you know. I wouldn't want anyone overwhelmed with too much.......information.
Obama '08 | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/20/2008 6:51:51 AM | So Obama supporters are deliriously happy with Obama because they chose him over Hillary; now he goes out and hires (with insane amounts of internet money $$$$$$ donated by his followers) most of Hillary and Bill Clinton's thinktank? If those people are so valued by "knowledgeable" Obama supporters, why did they support Obama in the nomination, why not go with the better team??? Interesting how Obamaholics go to the lengths to spin Obama's weaknesses into character strengths.  | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/20/2008 8:38:24 AM | (For your amusement)
We've been listening to John McCain and George Bush talk about the economy, and we've noticed a pattern: they keep saying the problems are all in our heads.
McCain's campaign co-chair Phil Gramm had to step down because of controversy over his comment that we were in the middle of a "mental recession." But the truth is, John McCain threw Phil Gramm under the bus for saying, less artfully, what he himself has said repeatedly.
https://pol.moveon.org/donate/inyourhead.html?id=13273-7549601-LDUmPox&t=2
Oh, and Phil Gramm isn't radical?  
McCain should plan out his retirement now. He won't have a pot to p!ss in come November. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/20/2008 8:56:50 AM |
(For your amusement)
We've been listening to John McCain and George Bush talk about the economy, and we've noticed a pattern: they keep saying the problems are all in our heads.
McCain's campaign co-chair Phil Gramm had to step down because of controversy over his comment that we were in the middle of a "mental recession." But the truth is, John McCain threw Phil Gramm under the bus for saying, less artfully, what he himself has said repeatedly.
https://pol.moveon.org/donate/inyourhead.html?id=13273-7549601-LDUmPox&t=2
I think it's been proven that moveon.org is Left biased. They run ads against McCain. So, that citation is
Another Issue is a report from Archaeological sources.
New York Times reported in April 2003 that the looting situation in Iraq was horrible.
Archaeological Magazine Rep gave an accurate report this weekend. The media put on a show and misrepresented the real story. That looting was taking place...just not near the magnitude they reported AND.. most of the artifacts have been recovered (which the media is ignoring. How can we, as Americans, get a handle on the 'Issues' when most of our Media paints a distorted picture.
As to Afghanistan. Are we forgetting, troops were there...been there... prior to 9/11 while we were getting hit again and again... and since going into Iraq... we haven't been hit. How does all the facts get forgotten?
And, nice photo ops going on with the Obama and 3 major news anchors during this overseas trip. Little substance...if any at all... but, lots of photos. 
This is getting more and more obvious by the minute...with Obama. A joke. Unfortunately.
McCain in '08 | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/20/2008 9:53:18 AM | As an employer, I would hire a man with common sense, emotional stability and competence over someone with more experience but a volatile temper, irrational thinking and a crass attitude. McCain is the one who is a joke, with his stupid song Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran. It (I am starting to think of him as an "it" as I do with Bush) is too immature to be placed in any position of responsibility, especially the Presidency. You don't see Obama joking about war or killing Iranians. Instead you see a mature gentleman who is the world's choice for President.
I wouldn't even trust McCain with one of my printing presses or computers--I am afraid he will get mad if one of my assets doesn't function properly, and smash it in a fit of rage. Not someone I would hire! Obama, on the other hand, would come to me and tell me that there's a problem with the machine and we would solve the problem appropriately, by contacting someone who can repair the press or computer. McCain could easily scare away customers if it throws any fits, while Obama would work with the customer to solve the problem.
Being in business, I can vouch for many reasons for not hiring someone with more "experience" but alot of "issues" as such things as emotional instability and immaturity are so often called.
I would never hire John McCain--too immature and too temperamental despite its age and experience.
OBAMA in 2008!!! | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/20/2008 10:02:00 AM |
But the truth is, John McCain threw Phil Gramm under the bus for saying, less artfully, what he himself has said repeatedly.
As compared to Obama throwing HIS OWN GRANDMOTHER under the bus? Give me a break!!! lol
The only thing that Obama is missing from his world tour is half naked dancers and a clown who performs face painting. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/20/2008 10:03:57 AM |
McCain is the one who is a joke
It (I am starting to think of him as an "it" as I do with Bush)
First, I would not refer to Obama as 'it'. He is a man running for Commander-in-Chief and even though I disagree with his stand on certain issues... killing a baby who has survived a late term abortion... since if the baby survives, it is no longer in the body of the female carrier and thus should have representation of the baby as a distinct and separate person at that point.
I don't think that a ban on late term abortions (which btw, still protects the mother in cases of health risk to herself) is a correct stand at all and is horrendous in nature. Obama voted against the ban. This sickens me... whoever votes for this murderous act.
Let Roe vs. Wade stand, as it should. Just quit trying to expand it to include killing human beings who can't speak for themselves (once they survived an abortion and are out of the womb).
If Obama gets to be President, I will never refer to him as 'It'... nor will I say he is unAmerican nor a murderer if he has to command our troops into battle. I am not a worshiper of other Nations and don't give a rat's behind if they like us or not as long as America is doing what is right for America and it's Founding basis.
But...then, again.. I'm not full of PCness. I am an American and will do what I can for America first and foremost.
I find it vile and unnecessary to refer to any of our Presidents and/or Congress as 'Its'. We can get angry at them.. etc... but, to refer to a Human Being as an 'it' is simply childish.
McCain '08!! | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/20/2008 10:15:14 AM |
I think it's been proven that moveon.org is Left biased. They run ads against McCain. So, that citation is
Ahh, brilliant. And McSame, and his chronies, haven't said one cross word relating to Obama. Geez. Now that's insighful ( NOTTTT. (Don't give up your job a NASA)
Me thinks the ones seeing their party go down the tubes are getting more and more desperate. Ya'll neo-chronies ought to get real. It's over, come November, and it can't come soon enough. We'll see who's right.
If McSame had a prayer, he would've shown his might during the caucusus and primaries, but he didnt' garner half of the votes both Hillary AND Obama did.
Strawmen and red herrings........ | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/20/2008 10:21:44 AM |
Ahh, brilliant. And McSame, and his chronies, haven't said one cross word relating to Obama. Geez. Now that's insighful ( NOTTTT. (Don't give up your job a NASA)
Me thinks the ones seeing their party go down the tubes are getting more and more desperate. Ya'll neo-chronies ought to get real. It's over, come November, and it can't come soon enough. We'll see who's right.
If McSame had a prayer, he would've shown his might during the caucusus and primaries, but he didnt' garner half of the votes both Hillary AND Obama did.
Strawmen and red herrings........
Usual rhetoric. Didn't state that no cross word has been said relating to Obama. Double your Geez and raise you 50..
Middle America is still Conservative. Still mostly Republican. Otherwise why is Obama pandering to them? Why doesn't he quit flip flopping from his way Left platform to Center and Right of Center? Does he need the Conservative/Republican Vote? From the above quote, it would appear the message is that he doesn't. So, quit Obama should quit preaching to the choir if he already has the choir in his pocket. Ya think?
McCain in '08 | |
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