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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/20/2008 11:09:54 AM | Obama, on the other hand, would come to me and tell me that there's a problem with the machine and we would solve the problem appropriately, by contacting someone who can repair the press or computer. More like Obama would break the machine, get someone else to fix it, then take credit for the other person's repair handiwork (the delegater taking credit for the underling's efforts).
Being in business, I can vouch for many reasons for not hiring someone with more "experience" but alot of "issues" as such things as emotional instability and immaturity are so often called. That would be a business flushed down the toilet, hiring a sales rep empty suit talking box instead of a seasoned veteran.
By the way, the issue with McCain's temper is moot. How many people do think he's chewed out in his lifetime either publicly or behind closed doors? A few--he's spent many years involved with public service. How many do you think Obama has chewed out? None? Get serious. Pointing out McCain's "temper" as a liability is a typical liberal red-herring bullshit debating tactic--it's moot to the subject at hand.
As compared to Obama throwing HIS OWN GRANDMOTHER under the bus? Hell, Obama chose to alienate himself from his own mother, opting in his youth to attend a prestigious Hawaiian private school instead of remaining with his globetrotting mother following around her lovers like a lost puppy dog chasing after her master. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/20/2008 5:04:54 PM | IF anyones taken the high road, and avoided so much of the harsh criticism of their opponents, it's Barack.
Usual rhetoric. Didn't state that no cross word has been said relating to Obama Usual rhetoric is right. Didn't have to state hte obvious, I know. Of course, you dodged my point that MCSame didn't come anywhere near the vote tallies of either of the democratic cadidates. In some states, I recall he was behind in vote tallies as much as 500% from those garnered by both The Hill and Barack.
Most neo-conservatives didnt' like McCain, and in historic fashion, they just dont' show up to vote. Many, in this election, have opted to go with The Hill, so they could be on a winning team, but even she didn't have the muster to win the nomination, so they're turning back to McCain. I believe Rush Limbaugh started the Chaos Strategy . All in all, he won't have a prayer. You can't be buddie buddie with the worst, most disliked president (9% approval rating) in US history and expect people to stand behind you.
Middle America, perhaps, has been conservative, but come election time, if they even have gas money to drive to the polls, they'll be so tired of the propoganda from the fear/hate-mongering neo-conservatism that they'll likely vote libertarian, or write in Hill ; but ANYTHING but a black man in the white house.
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/20/2008 5:36:05 PM |
You can't be buddie buddie with the worst, most disliked president (9% approval rating) in US history and expect people to stand behind you.
Take a deep breath....deep breath..... calm down...
It's the Democratic controlled congress with the 9%....not the President.
There... much better with facts....
Just remember to breath.... | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/20/2008 6:50:06 PM | I would not blame anyone for voting Libertarian. Bob Barr at least has improved as a man over time, and that's better than McCain's backsliding and flipflopping into worse positions that will only harm our nation more. I hope that many people who are uncomfortable wtih either Obama or McCain will vote for Bob Barr. Bob Barr could be the man who saves our nation by taking votes away from McCain. I do my best to talk with people about Bob Barr if they don't like either candidate because at least he has a few good ideas, and wants to end the war in Iraq.
Support our troops, vote for OBAMA 2008!!
Bikeman, have you ever run a business? Please! (rolls eyes). I've been in business for half of my life already.
The Post Office has had problems with people going "postal". John McCain is NOT the man for president (or for that matter a job) because it would go "postal" at an inopportune time, and possibly injure innocent bystanders or workers. I won't get sued for hiring someone like that because I just WON'T. It's way better to hire someone who is mature and emotionally stable who has less experience--who can learn the job and do it well than to hire someone who may have the "experience" but later could prove to be a terrible liability to the business, perhaps injuring people or destroying assets that I worked hard to put into place. To me, maturity, a good attitude and mental stability are far more important to me than "experience". Good people can be trained! (rolls eyes) | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/20/2008 6:52:33 PM |
By Paul Steinhauser
CNN Deputy Political Director
WASHINGTON DC (CNN) -- A new poll suggests that President Bush is the most unpopular president in modern American history.
A CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Thursday indicates that 71 percent of the American public disapprove of how Bush is handling his job as president.
"No president has ever had a higher disapproval rating in any CNN or Gallup Poll; in fact, this is the first time that any president's disapproval rating has cracked the 70 percent mark," said Keating Holland, CNN's polling director.
"Bush's approval rating, which stands at 28 percent in our new poll, remains better than the all-time lows set by Harry Truman and Richard Nixon [22 percent and 24 percent, respectively], but even those two presidents never got a disapproval rating in the 70s," Holland said. "The previous all-time record in CNN or Gallup polling was set by Truman, 67 percent disapproval in January 1952."
While Gallup polling goes back to the 1930s, it wasn't until the Truman years that they began surveying monthly approval ratings.
CNN Senior Political Analyst Bill Schneider adds, "He is more unpopular than Richard Nixon was just before he resigned from the presidency in August 1974."
President Nixon's disapproval rating in August 1974 stood at 66 percent
I stand corrected. Bush's approval isn't 9%, but it's in the low 20 percentile.
However, COMA, there still seems to be a dodging of facts, something I've noticed Bush supporters and conservatives have some ingenious tenacity for doing. As I recall, there was something regarding MCSames overall tally of votes during the primaries, and how dreadfully disappointing by comparison to either of his would be opponents.
There... much better with facts....
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/20/2008 8:36:55 PM |
Bikeman, have you ever run a business? Please! (rolls eyes). I've been in business for half of my life already. No, but if I did have influence with the leadership of my business, I wouldn't suggest hiring a inexperienced pharma sales rep-like slick talker who looks good in a suit to head it; I'd certainly recommend looking for someone with relevant experience.
Comparing McCain's lesser number of registered Republicans to vote for him in primaries compared to the number of registered Democrats voting for either Hillary or Obama in primaries is quite irrelevant; primaries and national elections are apples and oranges; the national election is not the sole propriety of registered Democrats or Republicans. Another liberal red-herring argument. Like saying the world prefers Obama. Who cares? The UN isn't located in Washington. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/22/2008 6:57:27 AM | red-herring? ~ liberal red-herring? ~ The GOP should know more about red-herring then anyone ~ since thats where most come from.
The GOP by tradition enjoys a 30% core support vote ~ hardcore GOP folks ~ once you start getting below that figure ~~ these are BIG points ~ to drop 3 points ~ is really a strong siginal ~ that people are not happy at all.
It is clear to me ~ That McCain will continue much of the Bush's both foriegn and domestic policies. ~ The same lobbists will be using the back door of the White House.
He will continue to focus on world affairs and leave domestic issues left unaddress, offering up only, time stalling band-aid approaches to big problems, like health -care and immirgration ~ We will continue to be flooded with ~ East Indians and Middle Easterns yet Mexican Illegal will be the only ones making the news. ~ Insurance Companies and attorneys will rule the landscape much as they do now. ~
With Obama ~~ there will be change ~ But what and how ~ I can not say. Other then a a more focus hands on with domestic affairs. ~
I think we need to focus on local and national issue more ~ It's clear to me ~ we need to slow American dollars leaving this country. ~BY what ever means ~ It's the profit off of our dollars that people like Osama Bin Ladin are using to attack us with. ~
The disparity in Free Trade is killing us. ~ theres got to be a soluation out there somewhere! McCain is not looking for an answer ~ maybe Obama will.
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/22/2008 6:55:31 PM | THIS is what's killing us.
Democrats' single most important domestic proposal — universal health insurance — may blow up in Barack Obama's face when voters are exposed to the deadly details.
Obama has said, proudly and often, "I am going to give health insurance to 47 million Americans who are now without coverage." But are they "Americans?"
That 47 million statistic includes illegal immigrants, who virtually all lack insurance. In fact, about one in four of those lacking insurance is here illegally. And they are, by far, the group most in need of health insurance.
About 15 million of the remaining uninsured are eligible for Medicaid but haven't signed up, mainly because they haven't gotten sick. When they do, they enroll in Medicaid and we pick up the full tab for their health care relatively cheaply. (About 80 percent of each Medicaid dollar goes to nursing-home care for the elderly, only about 20 percent for the medical needs of the poor.)
The rest of the uninsured pool? Virtually all the children are eligible for the State Children's Health Insurance Program. Some aren't enrolled because the parents haven't bothered, but most are eligible. That leaves about 20 million uninsured adults who are US citizens or legal immigrants. There are far better ways to handle their needs than to turn our entire health-care system upside down.
Care for illegals is the biggest unmet medical need in our nation, and Obama's program targets it squarely. But do we really want to give them federally paid coverage equal to what US senators get, as Obama proposes?
Covering illegals adds dramatically to the cost of any program - and would encourage more folks to enter America illicitly.
Obama's plan will likely have a horrific effect on some local health-care systems.
Illegals now get free emergency-room treatment for life-threatening conditions, as any other American who's entered an ER in an area with lots of illegals recently well knows. (Three-quarters of the illegal-immigrant population is concentrated in five states: California, New York, Florida, Texas and Illinois.)
But now they'd be eligible for the entire range of medical services, all free of charge. That would trigger severe rationing: bureaucrats deciding who gets to see an oncologist, who can have an MRI - and even who can have bypass surgery and who'd die for lack of it.
These decisions would be made not on the basis of legal status but on the brutal facts of triage: Treat the 37-year-old illegal with his whole life to live before you spend scarce resources on an overweight, diabetic, 80-year-old citizen with high blood pressure who smokes.
John McCain hasn't raised this issue, perhaps for fear of offending the Latino vote. But polling suggests the case against rationing of health care would be as persuasive to Hispanic-American citizens as it is to the rest of us. Nobody wants to die waiting in line - especially not behind someone who snuck in ahead of us.
McCain needs to hit the Obama plan for treating illegal immigrants to free, federally subsidized health insurance — and hit it hard. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/22/2008 7:04:01 PM |
McCain needs to hit the Obama plan for treating illegal immigrants to free, federally subsidized health insurance — and hit it hard.
reddwine, the reason McCain has not been all over this, is that what you described above is not what Obama's plan is. You may want to do a little bit more research on Obama's healthcare plan.
Obama 2008!! | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/22/2008 7:11:45 PM |
they enroll in Medicaid and we pick up the full tab for their health care relatively cheaply
Not sure what you mean by this, but Medicaid only pays up to half of the charges from doctors and hospitals, the rest gets written off.
(About 80 percent of each Medicaid dollar goes to nursing-home care for the elderly, only about 20 percent for the medical needs of the poor.)
I am wondering if this varies by state, and where you got this information? | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/22/2008 8:47:46 PM | Relevant experience can only go so far. Someone with "relevant experience" but emotional problems and immaturity, that person will quickly be a severe liability for a business or for a nation. One has to draw the line and say NO to some wack job singing Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran gaining access to the White House and the red button. McCain is too emotional and too much of a loose cannon to be trusted with the presidency. Bikeman, you are stating the obvious if you've never owned a business
Maturity, intellect, and ability to handle pressure ARE relevant. A good man can be trained to do a job, and move the company forward. Integrity and maturity are important for good employees, and McCain is sorely lacking in both. I'd much rather train a mature, stable, and responsible man for the job than hire some "experienced" hothead who could possibly injure his coworkers or damage equipment during a temper tantrum. McCain reminds me of a 3 year old throwing a fit, or a bratty child who thinks hurting others is funny. NOT presidential material!! Nor someone I would want in my employ, REGARDLESS of his "experience". Character counts far more, and I like what I see in Sen. Obama.
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/22/2008 9:02:34 PM | It's an interesting pickle we find outselfs in.
the older ones require the most ~ and the more thay are supplied ~ the older they get!
the older ones , even from the working class may well be 81 years old ~ have 300,000 tied up in investments , cars and property paid for, mediccare ~ medicade ~ retirement and social securty coming in ~ and they are broke! ~ Or feel broke anyway ~ a 6 month ordeal before a dirt nap ~ could leave them that way ~ and it's ever present on their mind. ~
Now if you are really poor ~ your problems are answered ~ You DIE! and what little you might have will be absorded by the creditor ~ hospital, doctors ~ county and state. ~ You will die owning! Your survivors will get a bill for the balance.
And this is America ~ not a 3rd world country ~ land of the power grab,
Something just seem wrong with all of this ~ am I alone with my thoughts ?
If you have insurance ~ the hospital billis jacked up so high to deal with getting their money for them.
If you are a cash and carry kind of guy ~ you are paying 300% more then what it was worth.
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/22/2008 9:18:10 PM | A president of the United States should not have to be trained. Inexperience does not belong in the White House. Running a nation should not be performed by someone who is incapable of taking a stance and changing their minds when it suits them.
Even in our every day job market, experience is mandatory. This is why even educated people who are just graduating college land mediocre jobs with the hopes of gaining experience in order to land the really great jobs.
In comparing Obama to the above statement,,,,he is the college kid with no experience who is trying to place the buggy before the horse. I will give him his due. He has achieved a really great th ing with being the first African American vying for the presidency against McCain but all the hoopla will wear off eventually and reality will sit in and when it does, it will find Obama congratulating McCain on become president in my opinion.
Character alone does not make a president. Combine character with experience and then you have the makings of a president. In my eyes, McCain contains both and his record shows it. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/22/2008 9:29:34 PM | Someone with "relevant experience" but emotional problems and immaturity... Prove John McCain has emotional problems and behaves immaturely. This is a ridiculous premise for an argument. It's not true, therefore following statements don't hold water. Have you ever said anything that if taken out of context would not sound politically correct? Certainly (throughout practically all of your posts in political threads). Have all the candidates in this election at one time or another said politically incorrect things, made verbal gaffes? Yes.
Bikeman, you are stating the obvious if you've never owned a business My professional resume has absolutely nothing to do with this topic. Stay on topic and stop with the red herring bullshit if you have any topic point to present.
Integrity and maturity are important for good employees, and McCain is sorely lacking in both. This is so clearly incorrect.
Character counts far more, and I like what I see in Sen. Obama. Obama certainly is a character, that's for sure.
A president of the United States should not have to be trained. Inexperience does not belong in the White House. If Obama were running against an equally inexperienced Republican candidate, I'd probably favor Obama. However this is clearly not the case. I must agree with the quoted statement. It's hard to fathom why a person capable of reasonable logical thought processes would prefer an inexperienced presidential candidate over one clearly more experienced. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/22/2008 9:34:55 PM | I am originally from the Southside of Chicago. I know that Obama truly cares about issues that affect the poor. With the current plight of the economy, these issues, like: unemployment, a living wage, access to health care, access to an affordable college education, affordable housing, affect just about everyone.
Obama is more than just an effective public speaker. He is a man with a vision.
I hope that he wins the election. I hope he is able to accomplish the changes he seeks. I hope that the Republicans allow him to make the changes that are needed in Washington to address: the tax structure that favors the few over the needs of the many, the environment that will require all of us to give up some modern conveniences in order to save our planet, the corporate greed that has plagued our nation and corrupted our nation's politics for years, and give everyone, whether rich or poor, white or black, the shining example that if you work hard and get an education, anything is possible. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/22/2008 9:49:10 PM | I just gotta laugh. You all are acting ( once again ) like any of it matters. They both have WAY more in common than significant differences. There both CFR, Tri Lateral Commison Globalists. I can assure you, you dont need to worry, you will wake up after the next election and not notice a thing. The federal government will still be bursting past it intended purpose and design. We will still be a socialist republic with a management team the would have been broke the day they opened for buisness. Our dollar will continue into the abyss setting the precedent for theNorth american Union and the Amero. We as a natio nand a people have failed ourselves. Governemnt is doing what it always does when it has no fear of accountability of its people. Our employees will be in charge rather than us, the employers......Get used to living more paycheck to paycheck.... the best is yet to come~~~ LOL
Ron Paul was your only chance to head toreward redemption... | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/23/2008 3:47:42 AM |
A president of the United States should not have to be trained. Inexperience does not belong in the White House. Running a nation should not be performed by someone who is incapable of taking a stance and changing their minds when it suits them.
Don't you think there's a degree of on the job training for every new president? I do. There's nothing IMO that can prepare you for this job. Not even time served as first lady. You can get an insider's view by being in Washington longer, but going to Washington 6 times a year to cast a ballot does not prepare you for that job, no matter if you've been doing it for 7 years or 26. JMHO. And they all change their minds. I'd rather see someone changing their mind when something gives them pause to rethink a situation than to just "Bush" their way through and keep on keepin' on just for the sake of sameness. That is the mark of an insecure person, someone who is unwilling to change their minds. That's why flip flopping doesn't really bother me much. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/23/2008 4:02:55 AM | I see your point however, in my eyes, flip flopping is a bad thing. Consistency in one's stance actually shows that one is willing to stay true to their word, I feel McCain does. I am sure there is some type of training which is mandatory for inprocessing a new president, however, there is not anything that trains them to be president, they either have what it takes or they do not. In my eyes, Obama does not.
No offense Simmah but I find that everyone is more less making excuses for Obama as compared to accepting the fact of his inexperience, everyone is entitled to do as such. To be fair here, I do know of horrible presidents who had plenty of experience before becoming president..and sorry Simmah,,,I"m going to utilize your man Bill Clinton as that example but of course there have been others, Clinton was not the only horrible president in my eyes.
I can see your point of someone unwilling to change their mind as being a bad thing however, there is another side to this which is positive. Someone who will not change their mind means to me that they are consistent and it's obvious what they stand for whereas someone who constantly changes their mind, it's virtually impossible to understand what they truly stand for, this in my eyes, makes Obama not trust worthy.
I respect your choice, you know that,,,I just love to take digs on Bill Clinton...lol
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/23/2008 4:13:10 AM | And I always respect your opinion as well, Nona. If the flip flop issue is something important to you, what do you say to those that say McCain flips just as much if not more than Obama?
I also agree staying true to your word shows good character. But if evidence proves you wrong on your stance on something, I think it shows good character to humble yourself and say I was wrong, I think "this" is a better idea. Off topic here, but in Buddhism, they say that if science proves any of the theories wrong, go with science and adjust yourself accordingly. Hopefully that helps illustrate my point. I don't think the things that are being flip flopped on (by either candidate) are core values, rather they are issues that change from day to day as we get new information.
And you can pick on Clinton all day long as long as I get to pick on Bush all day long.  | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/23/2008 4:31:11 AM | To be straight forward with you Simmah, some of McCain's flip flopping does alarm me. Trust me, I noticed. In comparing he to Obama on that issue, I must respectfully state that time has shown Obama to perform this more frequently. I most definitely know that McCain has performed this but in all fairness to McCain, he is still viewed as a maverick in my eyes and even going against his own party at times, I do respect that.
I also respect Obama as well, I just don't want to vote for him. I do remember stating that when Obama won the seat in Illinois that I feel he is destined for great things. I just don't feel it's his time yet. I feel with time and more experience, Obama could very well be a great president someday, but unfortunately, not right now.
Of course you can pick on Bush,,,but I must say...I will join you on bashing Bush,,so that's no fun...pick another one!!!!! lol
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/23/2008 7:18:49 AM | while I agree with the experience part
~ why Bush~ no experience in being a governer ~ and was a sorry one~ too!
but that didn't stop anyone ~ from nominating him. ~ Ower of the best lossing baseball team of America ~ what kind of experience is that?
I'd like to see some fresh inspiration ~ I wish McCain would supply some!
I'd like to see someone ~ that connect to the people at large ~
someone that'd crawl down from their ivory tower and look around a ground level
a see whats going on in America ~ Some one that can understand ~ we can not sustain this business a usual ~ much longer ~ or some big changes will indeed come to pass and they won't be pretty.
I'd love to hear McCain say something that gave me some hope that domestic is important to him and will be addressed .
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 7/23/2008 8:47:18 AM | Obama "refines" his decision to bring troops home immediately
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/03/obama-open-to-refine-iraq-withdrawal-timeline/index.html?hp
Yeah Obama!
I guess he's trying honesty on for size. (any improvement is better than nothing)
However...this does make his peace appeal dull a bit.
this is why this election is so huge..
youtube.com/watch?v=xuhAoTQzoeg Great. A cursing rapper giving me political advice..
Prime example of why are young are clueless to the real issus that America faces and the solutions that will heal them. | |
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