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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 8/2/2008 10:06:33 PM | Obama has agreed to have three debates with McCain that will be nice.
=============================== August 2, 2008 Obama backs away from Lincoln-Douglas style debates Posted: 12:11 PM ET
Plouffe is Obama's campaign manager.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Democratic candidate Barack Obama on Saturday backed further away from rival John McCain's challenge for a series of Lincoln-Douglas debates, agreeing only to the standard three face-offs in the fall proposed by the Commission on Presidential Debates.............................. ==============================
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 8/2/2008 10:09:42 PM |
Obama has agreed to have three debates with McCain that will be nice.
Those were the original 3 set-up for the Media Networks. Not Town-Hall style.
Obama is avoiding the Town Hall meetings...ridiculous to be afraid as he is of them. Most are drawing the logical conclusion... no teleprompter at the Town Halls. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 8/2/2008 10:44:40 PM | McCain may be looking at this man for his VP. The news is starting to come in.
================================ McCain vetting Va. congressman as possible veep Sunday, August 03, 2008 7 29 AM By BOB LEWIS
John McCain's campaign has asked Virginia Rep. Eric Cantor for personal documents as the Republican presidential candidate steps up his search for a running mate, The Associated Press has learned.
Cantor, 45, the chief deputy minority whip in the House, has been mentioned among several Republicans as a possible running mate for McCain. A Republican familiar with the conversations between Cantor and the McCain campaign said Cantor has been asked to turn over documents, but did not know specifically what records were sought....................
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 8/3/2008 12:22:25 AM |
Please read the article. It is very interesting. Indeed it is! I posted something similar many pages ago. Page 26 maybe? Anyhow, I was surprised at the lack of response (one) to a simple article showing how either candidate can "flip flop"..."reposition"..."shift position"..."refine policy"...and whatever other euphemism one wishes to dream up....they all do it.
Hummm....I think that's worth repeating.....
THEY ALL DO IT
Most keep pointing fingers at the other side and say...."see....he's a..."....yet rarely, if ever, do they acknowledge their own do the very same thing.
I find it rather pathetic, really.
We're all just playing into their hands....division...Camp A and Camp B...they actually like it this way....divide and conquer....it's what the big boys want...and tell....them to do.
With that being said, I have found surprisingly few threads started by McCain supporters extolling the virtues of their candidate. There are many pro Obama threads where the anti join in...full throttle...yet rarely do they discuss what their candidate has to offer. Why is that?
This thread is a-typical of that. 45 pages (and counting) is a testament in and of itself.
It seems this division has grown deeper and deeper. It's not healthy for the country as a whole, nor for it's people as individuals. And seeing as the U.S. is the largest military power, this division is not healthy for the world as a whole.
So, Faith...did you get any responses from your link? I didn't think so...let's try again...
Having long been a member of his party's more moderate wing on a number of issues, Mr McCain began adopting more right-wing positions during the primary campaign.
Immigration
Last year, Mr McCain was one of the key backers of President Bush's plan for "comprehensive immigration reform", which would have created "paths to citizenship" for illegal immigrants, while investing more money in border security.
The plan was very unpopular with the Republican rank-and-file, and Senate Republicans succeeded in blocking the scheme.
During the primaries, Mr McCain announced that his immigration focus would be on securing America's borders, rather than on giving illegal immigrants the chance to become US citizens.
"I understand why you would call it a, quote, shift," McCain told reporters in November 2007.
"I say it is a lesson learned about what the American people's priorities are. And their priority is to secure the borders."
Christian right
Another McCain, quote, shift was in his relationship with the religious right of his party.
During his 2000 bid for the Republican nomination, relations between Mr McCain and Moral Majority founder Jerry Falwell were notoriously fractious.
The Arizona senator memorably described Mr Falwell and fellow members of the religious right as "agents of intolerance".
But in 2006, ahead of his second presidential run, Mr McCain delivered the commencement address at Mr Falwell's Liberty University, after which he attended a small private party hosted by his former political adversary.
Interrogation rules
More recently, Mr McCain angered his former allies in the political centre by supporting a bill exempting the CIA from following the same rules on interrogation as the US Army.
Guantanamo
Mr McCain was one of the most prominent Republican voices opposed to the Bush administration's detention policy in Guantanamo Bay.
But when the Supreme Court recently ruled that Guantanamo detainees should have access to US courts, Mr McCain described it as "one of the worst decisions in the history of the country".
Oil drilling
Since sewing up the Republican nomination in March, Mr McCain - one of only a few prominent Republicans to accept the argument that human activity is causing climate change - has dropped his previous objection to lifting the ban on oil exploration off the coast of the US.
BARACK OBAMA
Since clinching the Democratic nomination, Barack Obama has also been making headlines for his policy shifts.
Campaign finance
Last month he announced that he would be rejecting public financing for his campaign, and would instead rely on private donations.
The McCain camp accused Mr Obama of "going back on his word", although Mr Obama insisted that he had never made a promise to stay in the public finance system.
Surveillance programme
Mr Obama also raised eyebrows when he announced that he would not be opposing a bill going through Congress giving immunity to telephone companies involved in the Bush administration's controversial warrantless wiretap programme.
His decision angered many of his supporters on the left, who accused him of going back on his 2007 pledge "to support a filibuster of any bill that includes retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies".
Gun control
When the Supreme Court decided to overturn Washington DC's handgun ban, Mr Obama declared that the ruling "provide[d] much-needed guidance", despite having previously argued (in a written answer that he says was drafted by an aide and which he had not approved) that the ban was constitutional.
Iraq
Withdrawing troops from Iraq has long been one of the central planks of Mr Obama's campaign, and was something that set him apart from other Democratic candidates running for the party's presidential nomination.
Since his campaign began, however, conditions in Iraq have changed, violence has reduced, and some commentators have suggested that Mr Obama's position is out of date.
Mr Obama himself has announced that he plans to visit Iraq, where he will make "a thorough assessment" which could lead him to "refine" his policy.
Some critics have seized on this as an indication that Mr Obama is laying the groundwork for a change in position.
Free trade
Mr Obama recently hinted to Fortune magazine that his strong anti-free trade rhetoric during the primaries may not be reflected in his actual trade policy should he become president.
His remarks are a neat summation of the pressures and temptations that lead politicians to shift their positions during the process of running for office.
"Sometimes during campaigns the rhetoric gets overheated and amplified," he said.
"Politicians are always guilty of that, and I don't exempt myself."
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 8/3/2008 5:23:48 AM |
Those were the original 3 set-up for the Media Networks. Not Town-Hall style.
Obama is avoiding the Town Hall meetings...ridiculous to be afraid as he is of them. Most are drawing the logical conclusion... no teleprompter at the Town Halls.
Obama choose not to participate in town hall meetings because he has no need to. He simply do not need them. Why should he participate in a debate with McCain after the audience is stacked with McCain supporters? Why do they need more than 3 debates? As it is now, they can have one per month til November, that's enough for me!
Outdoor2 made a very valid observation. I have yet to hear a McCain supporter, in these forums, tell why they support McCain. Mostly I hear, negative opinions of Obama, as to why they don't support Obama, which equates to me, Vote for McCain because he is not Obama. I have seen in a thread where someone asked participants to list McCains strong points, and a list of 10 things was stated negatively towards Obama. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 8/3/2008 6:46:44 AM | I find this funny...I have stated NUMEROUS times why I indeed support John McCain. I have voiced the negativity in conjunction with McCain as well as the reason he will still receive my vote. I have even been specific. I suggest you re read my forum posts as well as some others because I have viewed NUMEROUS times why alot of people on this thread are voting for McCain.
I can state the opposite in relation to Obama. I find that most people on this thread who support Obama are not specific at all, it's as if they are merely jumping on the O-Train because it's the popular thing to do, at least if you are a Democrat anyways.
Of course my statement about Obama supporters does NOT apply to all. I have viewed some good statements referencing why some are supporting Obama but overall, I find the Obama supporters are guilty of what you are accusing McCain supporters of doing.
Referencing the debates. Obama needs to take up McCain's offer to debate outside of the three scheduled before election day. To not accept this challenge show's alot of people that he is indeed afraid to debate McCain. One can make excuses all they want for Obama not performing this but regardless of the reasoning by the Obama campaign, it will be viewed as Obama is afraid to debate with McCain and I am willing to bet that that reasoning isn't far from the truth. Any other candidate more than likely would perform this task, even if only to gain momentum as well as practice, but Obama will not even bother? There's reasons and it's not because he's too busy, it's because he knows McCain is going to school him without the aid of a teleprompter.
I have seen in a thread where someone asked participants to list McCains strong points, and a list of 10 things was stated negatively towards Obama.
That very well could be true on that particular thread. Do understand there are naive people on both sides of the fence. I personally would have listed strong traits for McCain as compared to 10 negatives about Obama. Sounds as if they did not understand the question or they couldn't gain the concept of the question. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 8/3/2008 7:52:49 AM | Obama choose not to participate in town hall meetings because he has no need to. He simply do not need them. Why should he participate in a debate with McCain after the audience is stacked with McCain supporters?... I have yet to hear a McCain supporter, in these forums, tell why they support McCain. Mostly I hear, negative opinions of Obama, as to why they don't support Obama, which equates to me, Vote for McCain because he is not Obama. This is the mindset of the typical Obamabot. Obama somehow is not needed to withstand serious critical scrutiny for whatever reason they invent. If you aren't for Obama there's something deficient with your reasoning. Right. I don't go on and on extolling McCain's virtues because it isn't necessary. He's got the proper background, Obama doesn't. It doesn't get much simpler than that. If GWB can get reelected, that proves any idiot can be president. So Obama has a chance. I've explained either in this thread or another one that I thought it was a good move for McCain to back Bush's move to announce the US will release itself from its offshore oil drilling moratorium (yes even an idiot like Bush can stumble into a correct decision every once in awhile). That put the brakes on rampant oil futures speculation, and voila the prices aren't going up anymore (for now anyway). What does Obama do after he sees his liberal mindset doesn't wash on the issue? He waffles. Obama waffled on debating McCain because he's got Obamaholics lining his pockets so he can blanket the TV with scripted bullshit change messages that don't say a damn thing. Why in the world would anyone believe that either candidate is capable of stacking the audience with their supporters? Utter pablum.
The weird thing is I'm getting tired of McCain's negative TV ads. There is so much with which to legitimately attack Obama, and the right-wing think tank does what? Puts Paris Hilton on TV, like she really needs any more publicity. Blaming Obama for high oil prices is ludicrous. Oil prices are high because of a lack of refining capacity, oil company policies over the past 30-40 years (most of these years with REPUBLICAN presidents) where this country permitted oil companies to do whatever they wanted in their best interests and not the interests of the American people. If McCain keeps up with negative messages that say NOTHING all he is doing is imitating Obama's mindless tactics, he's going to lose my support. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 8/3/2008 8:00:08 AM | 'I find that most people on this thread who support Obama are not specific at all, it's as if they are merely jumping on the O-Train because it's the popular thing to do, at least if you are a Democrat anyway's. '
Nona, I agree with what you're saying. They seem to ridicule Republicans and try to deter us/the issue and avoid the questions, by dragging in Bush on a totally different agenda, for example. Whats That all about?
We seem to be talking apples and oranges here.
'Obama waffled on debating McCain because he's got Obamaholics lining his pockets so he can blanket the TV with scripted bullshit change messages that don't say a damn thing. Why in the world would anyone believe that either candidate is capable of stacking the audience with their supporters? Utter pablum.'
Bikeman, I agree with what you're saying. Obamas message to the world has no intellectual sustenance. He talks in circles. Just think how hes going to respond with no tele prompters. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 8/3/2008 10:10:10 AM | Nona you and maybe a few (very few, like Apologist) others give specific reasons why you support McCain.
Majority of the people just bad mouth Obama and tell why they would not vote for him.
If you notice I very seldom bad mouth McCain because my vote for Obama is my choice. I give reasons why I support Obama (people liking my reasons or not on this forum not important). No one on this forum lives my life or pays my bills.
There are McCain supporter forums, but they are dead.
CNN stated today that McCain has also made this election a focus on Obama and Obama has to turn it around. So, the McCain people are just acting as they see.
Reality majority of the people throwing major stones at Obama are ex-Clinton supporters still trying to justify not voting for the democratic candidate.
True die hard from the beginning McCain supporters are not on her putting Obama down on a daily basis. They make their comments and move on.
It is not just on this forum, but in the media. But, one good thing we are talking. Let's just agree to disagree.
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 8/3/2008 10:45:36 AM | I don't like McCain. I have only one reason for voting for him.
It's name is Obama.
Like a lot of other election campaigns, I am having to vote for the lesser of evils, so to speak.
When I match the two up, I have to go with McCain. And, I think the old guy will school the young student in a debate in any forum. Town Hall or not. However, it is good to see Obama supporters admitting their guy would lose in a Town Hall. Funny they mention McCain stacking the room. I haven't heard that anywhere but in these forums. Maybe CNN told them to say that.
I watched the Obama press conference yesterday. More "UHs" than a Bush family reunion. His lack of policy experience, as well as understanding will get him sliced and diced as the old man goes to town on him. I am looking forward to the debates. Indeed.
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 8/3/2008 11:58:16 AM | However, it is good to see Obama supporters admitting their guy would lose in a Town Hall. Funny they mention McCain stacking the room.
and you seen that did you! ~ where? ~ where did you see that?
You see what you wish to see and hear what you "wish' to hear ~ I fear
I don't abide by ~ what the GOP has grown into ~ with few exceptions ~ a bunch of boot lickers , people on the government dole, that kisses, licked or sucked their way into a soft spot ~many of them are getting or recieving government money in someway, form or fashion. Where it be employment or contracting or just found a rich vein of government money. The 1st and the 15th are "big" days for them ~ and neoncons are children of the GOP~ ~ The idealoligy has grown into something very ugly and false and full of hyprocricy.
Is that focused enough for you ? ~ or would you like more?
And to think ~~ Phill Gramm had to excuse "himself" ~ Phill Gramm should not even be showing up on the radar screen! ~ if you want my consideration.
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 8/3/2008 12:11:12 PM | So far, in any thread, I have yet to see an Obama supporter list the reasons for supporting him.
Without using the word "change", which is meaningless and rhetorical, can one of you Obama fans please list Obama's policies and your reasons for supporting him?
And, do it in a positive way.....without using the negativity you all seem to hate so much. (As if).
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 8/3/2008 12:34:17 PM | How can McCain stack a Town Hall room if the Democratic camp is there (as they are) to ensure that Obama Supporters are equally represented? Unless, it's because when taken out of a 'rock star' concert with free food and booze, then mostly Middle America - a huge huge voting block - would attend and dispel the 'smoke n mirrors' effect of Obama.
There is no viable/logical reason for Obama to shy away from Town Hall debates other than not wanting to chance looking like he does when not on teleprompter... stumbling over the few words he emits other than... ahhhh and uhhhhs. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 8/3/2008 12:40:22 PM | Back to the Obama news conference.......
Uh, yeah, the race card, well, uh, you see, McCain, uh, but, what im tryin to say is, uh, we are in a race for the presidency, uh, so, McCain, uh, uh, uh, what was the question again? Can we, uh, get a teleprompter, uh, in here, uh, please?!!
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 8/3/2008 12:46:01 PM | """Politics of fear vs Hope and Change? Makes a nice bumpersticker""
I'm sorry, but do political campaigns not include campaign slogans and platforms?
I can think of any that havent or that couldnt be reduced to a 12x12 campaign poster.
Not sure why Obama is any different, except that McCain doesnt have one........he's not running for anything........basically its "old Washington hack with a vague laurel as war hero running on his sense of entitlement and privledge".
Padawan: """"Obama is avoiding the Town Hall meetings...ridiculous to be afraid as he is of them. Most are drawing the logical conclusion... no teleprompter at the Town Halls.""
Now really, as a law professor for many years at the University of Chicago, Obama has been up and down so many legal arguements, in and out of them and with so many people.....do you honestly think he is afraid of a few little debates with John McCain?
I think not.
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 8/3/2008 2:02:52 PM | I support Senator Obama, because I agree with his stance on many of the issues. No, I do not totally agree with all he says or does, but for the most part, my his agenda is in sync with how I feel the country should be run so that we all benefit, not just the large corporations and wealthy.
People are crying about why Obama won't debate McCain in the town hall meetings on McCain's terms, but no one is mentioning McCain turning down Obama's request for debate. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 8/3/2008 3:16:25 PM | I asked for Obama supporters to list obamas policies and why they supported them.
The best I got was "because I agree with his stance on many of the issues."
So far, I am batting zero. Neither Obama nor his supporters seem willing to spell out his issues or policies.
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 8/3/2008 3:24:34 PM | Most of us have been on this forum since March, and feel no need to post what has been posted several times in the past. Please just take a minute and go back to posting #1 and work your way through the postings many points have been made on both sides of the coin (Obama and McCain). We welcome you to this posting, but truly there is no need post our (why's) for either candidate because of someone new to this forum.
Remember when you were a kid and the game had already started. You had a choice jump in and play as you learn the rules of the game or not play. You did not run up to the game and say 'hey I am new in this game and feel as though we need to start all over. Now, maybe if you were a nice kid and approached the other kids in a nice manner they would tell you the rules and possible start over.
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Obama is going up on all polls.
Gallup Daily: Obama 45%, McCain 44% USAElection 2008Gallup Daily August 3, 2008
Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain remain statistically tied in the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking update for July 31-Aug. 2, with Obama at 45% and McCain at 44% among registered voter............................ ======================================
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 8/3/2008 3:45:38 PM | Funny stuff. Why would I think I could get an intelligent answer to such a silly question. Oh, the humanity of it all!
Obama falls 9 points since July 26. Stuck in dead tie amongst likely voters. Film at 11.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080803/NEWS07/80803032
Ouch. 9 points? Did he say 9 points? Hmm. Where have I heard that number before? Oh! Yeah! Now, I remember. NINE. The approval rating of the Democrat Congress. Say, isn't that the lowest in history? In fact, I think that's even lower than the President's ratings. Saaaaay. It IS lower. My, oh my.
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 8/3/2008 4:28:55 PM | | Ok lets see...Obama is pro war, Mccain is pro war. They are both puppets of the corporate elite. The true power in America lies in the financial establishments. These central banks are teamed up in a conglomerate of corporations including weapons companies, oil companies, drug companies, and of course the entire mainstream media. They are able to brainwash people into thinking they have a choice by using behavioral psychologists to created extremely elaborate propaganda. Its not left vs right. Its all the same. Obama is now calling for a civilian national security force with as much power and funding as the U.S. military. The funny thing is, so called "liberals" love it. He is also calling for war in Pakistan and continued war in Afghanistan and "liberals" love that too. I just wonder what its going to take for you people to wake up to the fact that your all being played. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 8/3/2008 4:38:32 PM | I ask for Mc Cain supporters to list Mc Cains policies and why they support them.
The best I get "is" I'm a GOP member and don't know how to be anything else.
So far ~ I'm batting a Zero ~ ~Neither Mc Cain OR his supporters want to talk about the issues but only Obama. ! They seem to only spell out Negro!
Okay seriously ~~ Mc Cain wants to continue the present adminstrations foriegn policys and Obama does not ~~ but I'm not here to do your work for you. ~
Spoon feed you like a child that spits out their peas! If you don't like peas ~ I've not interest in shoveling them in your mouth.
The GOP is great at saying one thing and giving us another. ~ Bush 41 " Read my lips! no new taxes" ~ what we get? ~ more of the old ones.
Bush 43 " I'm a uniter , not a divider!" ~~ so do you feel very united now??
shall I continue? ~~ Oh! lets do! Please by all means ~ let us look at this !
The GOP had the greated federal supplus in history going into this present GOP adminstration. ~ They had the adminstration and dominated congress ~~ and here we are 2008 ~ and what has the GOP leadership shown us ? ~~ Tell me 5 times that you are proud of in the last 8 years! ~ I want to too proud of something too! Please tell me what it might be. Just two things ! what are they? ~ that worth the price we have paid!
Phyical conseratives? ~ pooie! Moral conseratives ? pooie
It's more conservative of good sense ~ is the best way to explain the last 8 years under GOP leadership! after driving us in the ditch ~ you ask for the steering wheel again! The GOP's aggorance it superseded only by their monoptic view of reality.
The GOP has shone us nothing ~ but how to pillage and blunder the coffers of the nation ~ squander manpower and rescources
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts Posted: 8/3/2008 5:18:56 PM | In conclusion, McCain may not be the best the Republicans - or any other party - have to offer but the alternative is positively frightening. ~ somebody is awake.
But... we cannot allow our Country to become a muslim wasteland! Well quit buying their stuff and supporting them ~ the greatest insult is to ingore, figure out a way to do without them. ~ quit sending them MONEY Subject:
The Democratic Party cannot unite for the reason explained by the adage: Democrats MOUNT their fish and game. Republicans EAT their fish and game."
I say Horse Sh1t ~ you got it backward ~ where I come from ~ It's all about education ! ~ it like guns ~ I don't need a gun ~ where I come from you don't pull what you can't eat.
The DNC is united ~ and you have Bush and 8 years of a dog and pony show to thank.
Oh ! again ~ just in case you were out of town ~ Obama is not a Muslim. ~ But Bush has some close friends that are.
Is Obama black or white ?? ~~ to say we are not ready for a black president? ~ what part of Obama is black? I thought he was white and black ~ so we are accepting the black and refusing the white? ~ why is that? ~ why not the other way around?
You make him black with "your" eyes. ~ Do you speak for all Americans? ~ You think that we are"all" not ready; maybe your right.
Are you ready to quit supporting Muslims? ~ I are.
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