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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/11/2008 8:56:26 AM |
I do admit that it's kinda amusing that Obama is using Reagan's old campaign message of Hope & Change...now THAT's using yer noggin!!
It's gaining more negative than positive now that the hype is dying down...because Obama decided to try to hammer McCain being the same as Bush...rather than getting specific to his (Obama's) stand on issues. McCain took it for days, then, finally fired back with Obama's platform being identical to Jimmy Carter's and history has dictated what Carter's admin did to the Country... disaster.
McCain has years of Congressional Voting Record to show for, his Military background...not just in the years past as a POW...but, his fight almost since we first went to Iraq...for a strategic plan to cut down drastically on casualities...both American and Iraqi... McCain put it forth and fought both Dems and Reps. to get it implemented... Finally last year it got done and the results are undeniable...Thank God! Lives are being saved directly related to McCain's previous experience and his determination to get it done for the situation in Iraq.
Obama has been a Senator for 3 1/2 years with 18 months of that (1 1/2 years) spent campaigning for the Presidency. Yeah... lots of 'experience' huh. Like.. is it not obvious... Obama was being primed for this... since he was in law school just a few short years ago.
Oh... and now... Obama camp is getting Dean to smear McCain. Not going to work...but, since Obama went off track from his promise to run a clean campaign already... it's expected. I knew Obama and camp would be the ones to sling the mud... hoped neither would..but, alas... it happened. I honestly believe it's because Obama does not have the Experience record and mud slinging is his only avenue.
Just the facts... | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/11/2008 9:20:45 AM |
In face of all this, the Obama loving Media have him leading in the Polls. This is the same ole, same ole... each Election year. The Democrat Nominee leads right up to the Election in the 'Polls' and then gets beat. But, the Polls leading up to each Election seems to give the impression that the Dem. Nom. is trounching the Rep.
Yea right, when are they going to show those events where 75,000 people show up for McCain instead of just showing the Obama events?
When are they going to start publishing the campaign finances of a loser like Obama. Somehow they want us to believe Obama is actually getting more donations from more contributers. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/11/2008 4:11:39 PM | Here's some things for you to read mackevinized.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/04/10/McCain_Obama_diverge_on_campaign_funding/UPI-54211207834468/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17946727/
Democrat Barack Obama raked in $25 million for his presidential bid in the first three months of 2007, placing him on a par with front-runner Hillary Rodham Clinton and dashing her image as the party’s inevitable nominee.
The donations came from an eye-popping 100,000 donors, the campaign said in a statement.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.php?cid=N00009638&cycle=2008
By some predictions, the eventual nominees will need to raise $500 million apiece to compete—a record sum. To find out where all this money is coming from, click on the candidates' names below and explore the options to the left. The candidates now file campaign finance reports monthly. The reports for May are due June 20th.
He seems to be having no problem appealing to new donors, either. In 2008 he's been raising more than $1 million a day, largely thanks to small online donors.
Individual contributions $264,493,051 100%
PAC contributions $-750 -0%
Candidate self-financing $0 0%
Federal Funds $0 0%
Other $946,977 0%
There we have it. 100% of the reported funds at the time were from individual contributions. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/11/2008 4:50:51 PM | http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1813602,00.html
The Outrage Game Bites Obama
Politicians deploy righteous indignation like college students use credit cards—to excess and with abandon. For such seasoned performers, the emotion is easy to muster, and there are few upfront costs. Rail against powerful interests or the mendacity of your opponent on the stump, and the crowd goes nuts.
But there are sometimes costs hidden in the fine print, interest payments not due for months, especially when the outrage is calculated for maximum political effect. And that outrage came back to haunt Barack Obama Wednesday when Jim Johnson, the man running his vice presidential search team, stepped down after the Wall Street Journal reported that he had received preferential deals on mortgages because he was friendly with an executive at Countrywide Financial, which has been tied to the subprime foreclosure crisis. "Jim did not want to distract in any way from the very important task of gathering information about my vice presidential nominee, so he has made a decision to step aside that I accept," Obama said in a statement.
The road that led to Johnson's withdrawal began back in February, when Obama and his Democratic allies began highlighting the many lobbyist ties that bind together the Republican campaign of John McCain. "His top advisers in the campaign are lobbyists," Obama told his traveling press, making no secret of his disdain for those politicians who fraternize with influence brokers.
The approach initially paid off handsomely, given that the McCain campaign is, in fact, broadly populated by former lobbyists, who have done the bidding of enormous corporations in the U.S. and sometimes unsavory countries around the world. Current lobbyists also populate the ranks of McCain's unpaid advisory staff. Eventually, the torrent of stories about these ties, driven largely by opposition researchers working for the Democratic cause, forced McCain to create a new conflict-of-interest policy and unceremoniously jettison several trusted advisers from his campaign.
It was a clear win for Obama — for a time. But as McCain was being slammed in the press, Republican opposition researchers, and some enterprising investigative reporters, were plotting an outrage backlash. Did it matter, for instance, that David Axelrod, Obama's political mastermind, had worked for a firm that led a public relations effort for Exelon, the utility giant? Would anyone notice that the man who helped convince Obama to run, former Sen. Tom Daschle, works for a lobbying firm? Should voters care that former lobbyists also populate the Obama staff, and current lobbyists are offering him unpaid advice?
So earlier this week, after the reports of Johnson's ties first surfaced, McCain leapt at the chance to be outraged. "I think it suggests a bit of a contradiction talking about how his campaign is going to be not associated with people like that," McCain told Fox News on Monday. "Clearly he is very much associated with that." The Republican opposition research machine went into overdrive, bombarding reporters with all the telling details of Johnson's record as a powerful man who profited from his own relationships. Conservative blogs, and the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal, lit up with glee.
This forced Obama to admit, indirectly, that there was, in fact, gambling that goes on in casinos. He sounded exasperated more than anything else. "I mean this is a game that can be played," he told reporters Tuesday in St. Louis. "Everybody who is tangentially related to our campaign, I think, is going to have a whole host of relationships. I would have to hire a vetter to vet the vetters. I mean at some point, you know, we've just asked people to do their assignments."
But Obama's admission of the obvious was selectively applied. Even as he criticized the "game," his allies sent out emails announcing that the man leading McCain's vice presidential search, Arthur B. Culvahouse, was, you guessed it, a former lobbyist. To make matters even more complicated—and absurd—Culvahouse used to lobby for Fannie Mae, the rich and well-connected mortgage company where Johnson previously served as chairman and CEO. (Full disclosure: Time Warner, the parent company of TIME Magazine, is another of Culvahouse's former clients.)
For those who closely observe politics or work in the business, none of this is surprising. Nearly all of the nation's brightest, and even idealistic, political professionals take jobs for wealthy interests in off years. Both McCain and Obama know this, and no matter how many conflict-of-interest policies they construct, the next administration will be populated by people who have previously been paid large sums by companies and organizations that want to bend government to their whims.
But the outrage game will continue because it works as a political matter, especially for influencing those voters who do not devote inordinate amounts of their time following the play-by-play of the election. Talk to either of the campaigns and they will tell you that the goal of this press-release gotcha game is to create vague impressions in the minds of voters, not fully developed thoughts. How can John McCain be a reformer if he works with lobbyists? Isn't Barack Obama a hypocrite for hiring such well-connected influence brokers? Partisans, meanwhile, filter the information based on their preconceptions. They will forgive Obama's less flattering connections, but hyperventilate over McCain's, or visa versa.
Of course what matters is what the two candidates will actually do in office, and the company McCain and Obama keep are not entirely irrelevant to that question. Nor does the outrage game paper over some of the real differences between the two candidates on issues of money in politics. Obama, for instance, does not take money from registered lobbyists, while McCain does, a fact that the Democrat argues insulates him from improper influence. This argument is complicated by the fact that he continues to take money from the corporate executives who employ those lobbyists.
The question for the voting public, and for political reporters, is how to filter all this outrage, which shoots out like a fire hose on a daily basis. If we fall prey to the daily back and forth, as fun as it might be, we risk losing sight of the stuff that matters. Obama and McCain present two clearly different visions for the nation. Obama wants to force an end to the conflict in Iraq, while McCain thinks the dangers of a prompt withdrawal necessitate staying indefinitely. Obama supports a net increase in taxes for the wealthy, a possible increase in the Social Security taxes for some Americans, and more government spending than McCain on things like government backed healthcare and mortgage assistance. McCain is far more bullish than Obama on continuing to open up markets as part of free trade agreements, more vague about Social Security, and more determined to restrict federal spending, an approach that will offer less direct government support to economically struggling citizens. The two men are likely to pick judges with very different judicial philosophies for the Supreme Court.
These are some of the issues that will decide the future of our country, the state of our world and the prosperity of our children. The past dealings of relatively minor political aides like Jim Johnson and Arthur Culvahouse, will not, no matter what the candidates tell you tomorrow. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/11/2008 7:10:18 PM | Oh lord. That was someone else's post. I choose not to watch it because it is probably 6 months old for one thing, when Hillary was trying to make herself look like the only possible choice. I like to deal in the present. :)
And the news from today is.........
Support Senator Obama today.
Sign up now and together we can write the next chapter in America's story.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/home/?splash=1
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/12/2008 8:02:07 AM |
And Judge, I rest my case.
And I request, your Honor, that the prosecuting attorney be restrained from imbibing any more red wine, if this is the best evidence she has to offer in this case. 
I respectfully request the inclusion of the following text be read into the court record, and that the previous comment be stricken from it due to it's fraudulent nature.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/change.asp
Three weeks ago, after New Hampshire, when Hill and McCain and the gang were all bragging about being "agents of change," a (non-U.S.) correspondent of mine e-mailed me his all-purpose stump speech for this primary season:
My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Y2M5NTgwNDhkZT
JmYWQ1MDcwNjEzOGE0Y2ZhNzc3NzQ=
There is the ACTUAL origin of that quote. 
The worst (best) part ?
It was aimed at Hillary Clinton and McCain. 
And justice for all......
A few months back, just after the New Hampshire primary, a Canadian reader of mine – John Gross of Quebec – sent me an all-purpose stump speech for the 2008 campaign:
“My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you’ll join with me as we try to change it.”
I thought this was so cute, I posted it on the Web at National Review. Whereupon one of those Internetty-type things happened, and three links and a Google search later the line was being attributed not to my correspondent but to Sen. Obama, and a few weeks after that I started getting e-mails from reporters from Florida to Oregon, asking if I could recall at which campaign stop the senator, in fact, uttered these words.
http://www.plnewsforum.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/34226/
"Hold it.....hold it......I just completed...... my opening statement......" | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/12/2008 9:22:48 AM | Looks like reddwine's going to have to find another false quote to start a new case against Obama.
I can't believe that in this age of readily available information someone would be dumb enough to post a rumour like that without finding out whether it was true or not.
Who's the idiot now? | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/12/2008 10:26:51 AM | hey now, mr uninterested...dont take it so personal...its called 'humor'... lets keep it clean and no name calling or hitting below the belt and I wont poke you in the eye.
Hows that for a comprimise my friend. its all about respect..
If we dont put a little humor in life, we will eventually stink up the place. But thank you for your opinion, and for spelling my name right. I appreciate that.
p.s. your profile, says it all. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/12/2008 11:32:35 AM | No Nona,
I do not make the assumption only 'blacks live in the hood'. I am a Principal in the 'hood' (which I truly enjoy). But, I am tired of people of any race blaming other races for their shortcomings. I started as an admissions counselor at the University of Houston and the stories I would hear as to why people did not accomplish what they set out to do were amazing. Many placed blame on 'the man', 'minorities, and the biggest one parents. In my mind (graduating as a single mother of three sons taking the bus across town to go to school) they sounded weak.
I was at a job fair for two days this week. Trust me no one used affirmative action. The room was full of college graduates. Trust me a college degree does not assure you a job. Dressing the part, have a positive attitude, confidence and beating out the 1000 other people looking for those handfull of jobs gets you the job. Race is the least concern. Now, graduates come in all colors, shapes, sizes, and religions. Now, you must really be the best.
But, I am fully aware that blacks are not the only ones in the hood, but I am a firm believer in taking responsibility for your actions and future. I would never hire someone based on race. I want the best qualified and in today's market they come in all races. The truth is not one race dominates. White is not right anymore, black does not gaurantee you a job and the doors have opened for Hispanics and Asians. Now one must be prepared. We live in a global society.
Americans need to get more degree's in the math and sciences. I was a math specialist. Even in the field of education math and science teachers earn more. Starting salary in my district with a math/science background is at least 46,000.00 Not bad for a 20's year old person and only working 185 days out of the year, paid for 12 months will all holidays off and a spring break. The problem is at the job fair there were not that many American born students in math and science. So, I must hire those that stand in front of me.  | |
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Nona37
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Joined: 3/31/2008
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/12/2008 12:49:52 PM |
I do not make the assumption only 'blacks live in the
hood'. I am a Principal in the 'hood' (which I truly enjoy). But,
I am tired of people of any race blaming other races for their
shortcomings.
I see what you are stating Faith, however, at no time was I blaming
anyone for "MY" shortcomings, as far as I'm concerned I don't have any. lol
On the serious side, if that is truly your stance, you should have
appreciated me stating that people need to take action as compared
to whining, which was stated in the wording that if someone allows
discrimination then its THEIR fault, due to all the protection
which is afforded minorities within our current time.
Americans need to get more degree's in the math and
sciences.
Oh really? What if they do not like math and sciences? Are they
only guaranteed in your eyes to succeed if they pursue such degrees?
You are entitled to your opinion, but I must state on the other side
of the fence here, I hate math and science as a whole is not
my favorite but yet, I still have a great job, therefore, I feel
people should be encouraged in what they want to pursue and they
should strive to be the best they can be within ANY field they choose.
Referencing you not hiring on race....you can only state that because
quit possibly the clientèle you have attracted have not bothered
to utilize it, if you did not hire a qualified minority and they
wanted to push the issue, you would definitely have affirmative action
laws shoved down your throat, I have heard many stories of such and
I do know of many white males who have been reverse discriminated
against because affirmative action does not aid them, and I have
known MANY very educated white males who have received the shaft sorta
speak in hiring practices from companies due to affirmative action.
I admire your stance but I do not feel that it's realistic in reference
to affirmative action.
As I stated earlier and I will state this again.....Obama and McCain to the best of my knowledge support affirmative action, so it's really not a topic of importance on this thread. Colin Powell however does NOT support affirmative action, I wish he was running for president, he would have my vote on that issue along with many other issues I agree with him upon. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/12/2008 3:33:47 PM | Wanna show?
Love your flag? Dont mind wearing the pin?
In 2006, Obama voted against a Constitutional amendment which would have given Congress the power to outlaw flag burning [source: The Washington Post].
Have compassion for war veterans? Obama didn't vote for the Military Construction and Veterans Affairs Appropriations Act of 2008 (H.R. 2642), a bill which passed without his vote. It provided funding for military construction and the VA budget [source: U.S. Senate].
Psychologist sick of seeing 100's of mentally ill X-soldiers?
In 2005, he voted in favor of a motion to waive an amendment to provide an additional $500 million per year from 2006 to 2010 to be used for mental health services for veterans [source: U.S. Senate].
Got gas? He voted against a failed amendment in 2005 (S. Amdt. 902) that sought to improve automotive fuel efficiency [source: U.S. Senate]. | |
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Nona37
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Joined: 3/31/2008
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/12/2008 3:52:05 PM | OK Nona,
Vote for whom you please. The job fair was not just for the
'hood'. It was for Region 4 in Texas which includes my
neighborhood and you can look up the STATS (77450). Have a nice
day! NEXT!
Last time I checked faith,,I already knew I can vote for whom I please,
but thanks for your permission. As far as the region where you
supposedly can disregard Affirmative Action, I do not
believe you. You have a nice day as well...lol.
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/12/2008 5:05:47 PM |
And I request, your Honor, that the prosecuting attorney be restrained from imbibing any more red wine, if this is the best evidence she has to offer in this case.
Red, as part of your punishment you are going to have to send me a new monitor because you post caused me to spew all over it! Mr. MG, thank you for getting to the bottom of it, even if you ruined a great story! | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/12/2008 6:14:20 PM | ok ..ok .. I stand corrected and accept my punishment
:::handing over the monitor money:::
My score card shows I have a fifty/fifty chance of being mis informed when I come in here. That's why I follow you guys around with my opinions, so you can set me straight.
Thanks for setting me straight Mr MG. But, it WAS funny...hehehe | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/13/2008 3:18:56 AM | The only poster on here that isn't a fool... is specialheartedlady. Come on folks. These are the best 3 (now 2... ) out of 300 million people that this country has to offer?... I wouldn't waste my vote on any of them. Lets see how they each would do on ' Are you smarter than a fifth grader'.
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/13/2008 5:48:39 AM | OO ~ I love a short skirt! ~ Obama wife looked nice in her purple dress
I don't care what color either of them are ~ bad ideas stink ~ regardless of color!
In fact ~ Bad ideas stink worst then "no" ideas!
McCain is full of bad ideas!
Obama is in the process of offering us ideas. ~ so far, I haven't smelt anything bad.
Somebody that likes McCain, need to get it across to him ~ that the bridge is washed out on the present road he is on ~ I think that they have ~ but he's ingoring them! So who you going to listen to? He seems to be listening to the wrong people and will continue to listen to the wrong people. ~ Onward! throught the fogg!
<div class="quote"> I wouldn't waste my vote on any of them. Lets see how they each would do on ' Are you smarter than a fifth grader'.
You can count me out in this election.
Reply; ~ your choise, but a 5th grader can easly understand that the world is ran only by the people who bother to show up!
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/13/2008 5:55:57 AM | I don’t think John McCain realises what he’s in for. His internet fundraising operations, the grassroots organising networks that secured victories over Mrs Clinton by winning a series of caucus states and hundreds of thousands of idealistic young volunteers are crucial advantages over Senator McCain. Democrats have attracted a colossal numbers of new voters in just seven primary states in March and April, there are some one million new party members that have been registered. Mr Obama has quietly begun to take over the Democratic party. Paul Tewes, who masterminded the Iowa victory in January that stunned Mrs. Clinton and set Mr Obama on the path to the nomination, is expected to run the party during the general election. Mr Obama’s campaign team has been remarkably stable with his inner circle of Mr Axelrod, Mr Gibbs, David Plouffe, the campaign manager, and others remaining unchanged.
In contrast, Mr McCain has sacked or lost a string of senior aides, when his campaign ran out of money and virtually collapsed. At least five advisers left because of conflicts over their lobbying for businesses and foreign governments. Obama has been battered, beaten, screamed at, yelled at, kicked and nothing, totally UNFLAPPABLE!
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