| Do you belive the world is going to end??
Posted: 6/10/2008 12:59:18 AM | whimsy5, if you were alive during Jesus' time you would kinda wish to come back to this present day post-haste. You probably could only speak of compassion and peace in secret. His message was dealt with harshly.
It wasn't until long after his death that it spread, and even then people abused it to slaughter millions. 
We are actually on a whole closer to saints compared to our ancestors. | |
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| Do you belive the world is going to end??
Posted: 6/10/2008 8:13:42 AM |
Personally I believe those who think they are safe in their salvation due to their religious followings and "others" are going to be eliminated, have made a judgement call that is not theirs to make. Mankind is not the final judge, it is Gods perogative to make that decision. If Jesus returned into this judgemental world, most wouldnt recognise him as they are so caught up in their own self-righteous belief systems.
How can you believe in a judgment as you describe, where 'others' are going to be eliminated, and then turn around and say that you are not making judgments? Your entire theology is based on judgments of others who don't measure up..If you have this belief as you have described, then you also operate with this same standard of juddgment, otherwise you wouldn't have this as a belief
we become like the God we worship!
If you see God as someone who is going to eliminate many others through judgment, then you are judgmental.
Or can't you see this? | |
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| Do you belive the world is going to end??
Posted: 6/10/2008 8:30:56 AM | Your entire theology is based on judgments of others who don't measure up..
Isn't that what god does?
If you see God as someone who is going to eliminate many others through judgment, then you are judgmental.
Revelations:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
And yes, I believe the world is going to end.
I just don't think I'll be around to see it.
So I'm not all that worried about it. | |
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| Do you belive the world is going to end??
Posted: 6/10/2008 9:27:35 AM |
Isn't that what god does?
If you see God as someone who is going to eliminate many others through judgment, then you are judgmental.
Revelations:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Ray, Revelation is a book of symbols, and the true meaning is not what is seen on the surface through our understanding of the letter.
I would challenge you to read this article on judgment, and hopefully it will be seen that God's judgments are corrective in nature and not destructive as in eliminating those who don't measure up......
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/Judgment-Eby.html | |
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| Do you belive the world is going to end??
Posted: 6/10/2008 11:59:33 AM | "hopefully it will be seen that God's judgments are corrective in nature and not destructive as in eliminating those who don't measure up......"
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
That sure sounds like eliminating those who don't measure up.
If it's not then I would hate to see what god does to people he destroys.
"I would challenge you to read this article on judgment"
If I need something other than the bible to understand the bible, what good is the bible?
And isn't something other than the bible just someone's interpretation of the bible?
How do I know their interpretation is correct if there are hundreds of interpretations to every biblical passage?
I still believe the world is going to end, but I would rather live while it's still here than worrying about what is going to happen when it isn't. | |
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| Do you belive the world is going to end??
Posted: 6/10/2008 12:21:43 PM |
"hopefully it will be seen that God's judgments are corrective in nature and not destructive as in eliminating those who don't measure up......"
Burning in hell is not destructive?
If that's the case then I would hate to know what god is going to do to people he wants to destroy.
If I need something other than the bible to understand the bible, what good is the bible?
Ray for starters 'hell' has been mistranslated from the original Greek, which initially meant Gehenna, Hades, Sheol....and none of these refer to a place of eternal punishment and torment in the context of scripture.
I offerred that article because there are some good points to be understood in the overall message. I don't necessarily agree with everything that Eby says on certain topics, nor do I understand the 'lake of fire' as Eby tries to relate.....But all in all I believe Eby is bringing forth a revelation of God's judgment and mercy and putting it into a proper perspective......So I can relate to what I see and understand with what Eby sees and understands regarding judgment. And this is where the bible comes in to help us discern what is balanced teaching and what is not.
The universal restoration of all things, that falls under the faith of Christian Universalism is a remnant theology, there are not many websites dedicated to this premise of grace in Christ and there are very few churches that teach this grace of universal reconciliation. And when Eby wrote that article it was also propbably 20 years ago that he understood the things he wrote.....But I can guarantee that Eby has probably grown in even more grace and revelations of God's universal love for all of mankind since he wrote that article, and he probably would have a few changes to some of his points of discussion...however the meat of the word concerning judgment and mercy is the nature of the articles purpose and what light is shared in that respect I find to be very balanced with scripture.
In my experience it is not so much the bible that reveals to me the nature of God, but it is my experience with the nature of God that reveals to me what the bible is teaching...
I see you stumble with the many verses in scripture that seem to support eternal damnation and punishment, so I will share another link from the same site that may clear some of these bible threatenings up and again I will say that these are another man's teachings based on his revelations, and should be balanced with the scripture and put to the test.....
He who is spiritual judges all things to see if they are true.
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/BibleThreateningsExplained.html | |
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| Do you belive the world is going to end??
Posted: 6/10/2008 3:39:48 PM | Ray for starters 'hell' has been mistranslated from the original Greek
I find it hard to believe that with all the bible translations out there that they are all mistranslations.
Maybe you should write a translation and clear up all the mistranslations.
I'm sure the religious community will appreciate knowing yours will be the truth,
the whole truth, and nothing but a true and faithful translation.
As I said before, if people have to consult other books to understand the bible,
why do they need the bible? | |
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| Do you belive the world is going to end??
Posted: 6/10/2008 4:32:28 PM | There is no evidence to support that a creator would wish to outright break the very rules it's creation has set into motion.
I wouldn't be surprised if in the bible, god didn't even know of evil until it's creation allowed it. And then rather than arbitrarily nip it in the bud, it was forced to deal with it in a fashion that followed rules whose very nature were born from it's own identity. God didn't seem to handle Cain in a way that upset the progression of the system. Maybe because if it did, everything would fall apart.
The rule breaker starts the chain reaction of destruction.
Norse mythology personified that type of force as Loki.
Only he used the rules to break the rules, so nothing truly ended. Not even him.
The system simply underwent a massive state change.
If rule breaking were never allowed, then the end has to come about because it was made possible by rules, which were made possible by rules, ect., ect...all the way back to the intial design. A creator identity would be forced to simply send little messages of 'hey, don't go that route. please.'  And some believe that quantum flucuations and chaos theory allow that. 
The nature of the system seems awfully capable of wiping out what doesn't work, while preserving what does work, so that what does work, will continue to flourish and expand the nature of the system.
I can't see an end as ever being truly the end. It would simply be a new beginning.
Norse mythology predicted that too. Loki's escape and leading the armies of Armageddon only accomplish the resurrection of Baldur and the beginning of a new type of peace.
Too many freaking metaphors. lol | |
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| Do you belive the world is going to end??
Posted: 6/10/2008 4:37:16 PM |
I find it hard to believe that with all the bible translations out there that they are all mistranslations.
Maybe you should write a translation and clear up all the mistranslations.
I'm sure the religious community will appreciate knowing yours will be the truth,
the whole truth, and nothing but a true and faithful translation.
As I said before, if people have to consult other books to understand the bible,
why do they need the bible?
ray its not necessary, there are enough study tools available to inform oneself with the original greek wording.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/ has all the concordance tools a person needs to research bible scrriptures on thier own.....we don't necessarily need anyone else to teach us, but why wouldn't a person look at what others have seen.....I have understood many things by hearing what others say, and it isn't necessarily all about the bible scriptures either. I have been taught things by Buddhist, New Age, Christians Jews, and ordinary everyday people...and it has always been beneficial to me....not that any have the ability to sway my faith in Christ......But there are other things that can be beneficial for me to understand, that other religions and philosophies may have spent more focus on, and can possibly fill in some of the gaps. For example, I looked into the Buddhist understanding on time and eternity, now maybe I didn't agree with everything that was said...but it certainly brought the understanding I was lookimg for into a clearer perspective by coming to an understanding regarding thier doctrine on this subject.
In any event it is all about growth, and if someone can help, then I appreciate whatever they can offer....and from there, I will make my judgments based on whether I consider what they have to offer, as genuine or false or not applicable for me at the time.
In regards to scripture, I have found that there are certain rules and guidelines that have to be taken into consideration when seeking out the meanings..and everything must be placed into its correct application and context, or a person has no grounding as to how an exegesis should be derived. The bible is not a book of confusion if it is read in the Spirit and dthe language of the Spirit is held as consistant throughout the pages of scripture.
In regards to the end of the world....there are a many variety of self proclaimed seers out there who claim to have an ability to see what is true, but if a person sticks soleley to the language of the Spirit and is consistant with the meanings of the figurative and symbolic expressions that are spoken by the Spirit...only then they will understand because the scripture itself provides all the answers through a consistancy with all the prophetic expressions. If Peter gives a prophecy that the heavens will melt with fervent heat....Then we have to go through the entirety of biblical prophecy and determine what is meant by 'heavens'....instead of just relating to 'heavens' the way we see fit. many other prophets spoke of 'heavens' so by combinig all the prophets usage of this expression 'heavens' used in biblical prophecy we can determine what is meant by 'heavens' in the language of the Spirit...instead of someone else's private interpretation that has no support from scripture.
I have debated with people whether the gospel has been preached to every creature under heaven...I showed them in scripture where it was confirmed as come to pass already....but because they choose to apply thier own meaning as they see fit, they will completely deny the scriptures and claim that the gospel has not been preached to every creature under heaven as prophesied.
Incidently the preaching of the gospel to every creature under heaven is a prophecy that is to be fulfilled before the end comes.....anyone who argues that this prophecy is unfulfilled is basing there opinion on their own interpretations and not according to the Word of God.
here is the prophecy given by Christ
Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
here is confirmation that this prophecy was fulfilled 2000 years ago..
Colossians 1:23
if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.
1 Peter 4:6
For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to men in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.
Not only that but the prophecy was not the last prophecy to be fulfilled in Matthew 24, but was actually the very first prophecy fulfilled that Jesus spoke of before the end would come..
Acts 2
5 And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. 6 And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language. 7 Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, “Look, are not all these who speak Galileans? 8 And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? 9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.” 12 So they were all amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “Whatever could this mean?”
Anyways I use this specific prophecy as an example in regards to how many people chose to make up thier own conclusions regarding scripture's prophecies, and blatantly ignore what the scriptures actually teach because they have thier own agendas or ideas of how prophetic fulfillment should all be recognized.... and when we are looking to fulfill our own ideas and agendas then we are not truly a seeker of scriptural truth. | |
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| Do you belive the world is going to end??
Posted: 6/10/2008 11:18:14 PM | OMG
the disputing and the differences are not comparable to the BIBLE
You ither Believe or you dont "
Why did God create the Rainbow ? Ummm ? It was a Vow to not be so harsh
and destructive in or during his wrath .... He promised not to flood the entire lands
and part the Seas ect....."'Right ???
Also take a peek & really Read the BIBLE "'dont be frigid ""Okay "Read as to why the old and the New Testament came to be .........
God listened to Moses ''He........ is something like me ......even
I as an adult need guidance and
input just to keep on the right path or direction or even disciplined time to time ..
Well think about it ..? !! God had and has the whole Universe to contend with "'All in all he does a pretty darn good Job and he does what he does to perfection . We probably don't really even have a clue as to how perfect he really is ""Cause we are not PERFECT >. We have Earth ''Is it not Beautiful
Is all this Creation we live on "'Earth ""and seek all Earths Pleasures "'Is it not phenominal
and Brilliantly Designed Earth for Humans >......... Oh the Webs we weave ''^^^^^
God is Good ! God is Love
The Earth is Love ''Dont ya Love It ! We all want more than what we have "'We all want a piece of the PIE "'Earth and all its Bounties & Bows !
But "'God does not get the Credit he oh so deserves "" But who does ? when all is Right with the World or there World !
Do ya ever Pray ????? Do ya ever ask God why the Weather is so Hot or the Winds Blow so Harsh
Or the Thunder and the Rain keeps Coming down ? Or do you ever talk to God and tell him its gonna be Okay ! Or to ease up !
God is a Friend "'Even God desires ' needs 'wants and ask to be treated like ONE ............ God ask from Humans "'His People """that they Trust him 'Believe in Him'' walk / live in his Image as best we can .........To strive for Perfection in all our affairs or daily living . That does not seem like to much too ask for all we all
have been Blessed with !"" LIFE ''LOVE '''Choices and EARTH !
Thats my Story and I am sticking to it ..!
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| Do you belive the world is going to end??
Posted: 6/11/2008 12:30:31 AM | I find it hard to believe that with all the bible translations out there that they are all mistranslations.
Maybe you should write a translation and clear up all the mistranslations.
I'm sure the religious community will appreciate knowing yours will be the truth,
the whole truth, and nothing but a true and faithful translation.
As I said before, if people have to consult other books to understand the bible,
why do they need the bible?
I think that was very well put. God actually did not write the bible, it was carried out by others, interpretated again by others, and often more than not interpretated and completely literal what was written. No I am not judgemental, I prefer to see God as a humanitarium, and I do not think for a minute he will destroy mankind. He must shudder what has been carried out in his name. | |
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| Do you belive the world is going to end??
Posted: 6/18/2008 5:57:56 PM | The day cant come soon enough when bush waves for the last time !!! I dislike the man with a passion ,... and he could well encourage other countries to start an atomic war or chemical destruction of continents.....
I often wonder about the UFOs visiting our planet ...do they know something we do`nt know ???... maybe they are visiting us to warn us of our own distruction....
I agree with other posters,,, live every day to the fullest and dont worry about things you have no power over !!!,............
Edgar Cacy and other profits predict MANY earthh changes which we are starting to see... Cacy said the safest place will be Manitoba,... Nebraska will be the new west coast shoreline... I remember reading that ... It was predicted that much of the continents would break off into the sea...amd new land would rise up from under the oceans....
The white buffalo born a few years back in Alberta on a farms ranch...the first nations shamen said it was an old prophcy that when this occured , it meant it has started... many cheifs and shamen came to visit this buffalo from all over the world..they tied gifts peace pipes , feathers , and ribbons all along the fencing in respect and homage to the white buffalo !!!..
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| Do you belive the world is going to end??
Posted: 6/22/2008 3:52:46 AM | Of COURSE the world will end. The sun will someday go supernova. The universe will eventually succumb to entropy. Every single person on earth will eventually die.
The more important question, then, is "what will you do while you're alive?" | |
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Posted: 6/22/2008 3:19:26 PM | When the Jews return to Jeruselem. This will mark the first step into the beginning of the end...an Antichrist in our world that awakens the evil ...there will be more evil than good..morals with be upside down..world upsets.more earthquakes, floods, fires.
When you can't buy anything without a CODE developed by the antichrist that will be sealed in the skin (666-2076511zp)? ........remember in this age..credit cards/ indentification cards...will develop more hi tech to the point of actually carrying the data inside the skin...if you don't scan..you can't purchase/own property/vote.
There will be an underground of religious connections to bypass this mandatory ruling...adopted by the supreme court.
This underground will be threatened and persecuted for believing in God. Churches are forced to develop a system much as the underground railroad..congregating in secret.
The end of the world..when good and evil will be at war. Spiritual warfare...Moral decay vs religous convictions. ...who will win? we probably won't be around when it happens but it will happen... | |
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| Do you belive the world is going to end??
Posted: 6/22/2008 7:56:09 PM |
And if this is true about the world ending?
Does it really matter? If the world ends, none of us will have a choice about when, what if, and/or why. No need to worry about things so out of one's own control.
Of COURSE the world will end. The sun will someday go supernova. The universe will eventually succumb to entropy. Every single person on earth will eventually die.
Indeed!!
The more important question, then, is "what will you do while you're alive?"
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| Do you belive the world is going to end??
Posted: 6/23/2008 10:34:15 AM | Trippy!!!! Yay!!
Of COURSE the world will end. How can you say that with such certainty?
The more important question, then, is "what will you do while you're alive?" Nice! And so nice to have you back in the forums.. missed ya  | |
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| Do you belive the world is going to end??
Posted: 6/23/2008 10:52:22 AM | There will be at least 2 kinds of responses towards the Omega point of earth's or humanities consciousness evolution. One will be positive and the other will be negative in the extreme. You could draw parallels with the parable of the sheeps and the goats, that Jesus spoke of to illustrate the wide discrepency in attitudes.
One will see an 'end point' in earth's future, and fill the mind of humanity with a 'fear' based G-d, and some will even promote an 'alien invasion' hypothesis in order to secure their control over peoples of world.
The other sees a great day of Graduation, whereby all humanity who survives the coming cataclysm will begin to partake in a super-galactic civilizations, with the New JerUSAlem functioning as a schoolhouse or a 'mini' city-cosmos where the complex structure of the many electromagnetic spectrums are fully manifested and explained.
Ofcourse this will be neither here nor there for those who are unable to work with the higher types of Light that exist in the Divine universes. | |
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| Do you belive the world is going to end??
Posted: 7/9/2008 7:46:11 AM | Well i have been reading on the isue for a bit now , and i think that the world as we know it now will end, but for the best. Yes there will be tragedys and a lot of people will probably die but if you beleive in heaven on earth and peace, that is what you shall receive.
What im trying to say is that if you have a positive veiw on life positive things will happen for you.
We have such a thing called collective conscience and the more people who beleive that the world will change for the best....it will, and less tragedy
Let be honnest here. The world in in big need of a change and due for a huge clean up, and time has come.
If you feed yourself with fear, that is what will come for you, but if you seround yourselves with light and ask for support, that is exaclly what you will get. The energies of the good is just wayting for you to ask for them to bring you the love and support you need to get trough all those changes.
I wish you all the best of luck and most of all to believe that we are not alone in this time of change.  | |
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| Do you belive the world is going to end??
Posted: 7/9/2008 10:32:11 AM | As usual there are always people propheting about the end...the "signs" they mention (war, natural disasters and so on) can be put into any period in time. If one wants to dig into the bible it says "God" will appear one day - but nobody - not even the "angels" - knows when.
I don´t want to judge, but please - do some research and some self questioning before letting every word from others become the truth! | |
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| Do you belive the world is going to end??
Posted: 7/9/2008 3:39:14 PM | You want to be informed what it is to be one of His people? You mean the ones that Jesus is going to come and take.
If you worry about it... and clearly you do... then chances are you're already one of "His" people.
As far as the world ending, it's been ending since it started, and it's going to be ending for a long time. You really don't have to worry much about the Apocalypse. It's been happening around you your whole life and you didn't even notice. It was happening before you were born and it will be happening until the Day of Judgement.
Pick a side, good or evil, and you really won't have to worry about it either way. You get to choose where you wind up; there's lots of instruction manuals telling you the different ways to get there, you just have to decide which one is for you. | |
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| Do you belive the world is going to end??
Posted: 7/9/2008 4:11:25 PM | If you can not see the signs before you. You will not be prepared. Billions of years millions, thousands, hundreds. No. it is closer than you think. The way this planet is going one maybe two generations left. Food will be less and less. You will not be able to afford your way of life sooner than you think. You can laugh at this. All the corruption and selfishness around. Man kind would kill itself very soon.
But all knowledge will come with it all. Knowledge you never dreamed of.
Love will overcome everthing. | |
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| Do you belive the world is going to end??
Posted: 7/9/2008 4:27:55 PM | I think something is going to happen , not in a thousand years or so..but in OUR lifetime. ..how about within 4 years ?...let me be more specific...december 21 2012. This date has been documented by many cultures and prophets. The Mayan culure which has been acurate in many prophecies ended thier callender on this date , the Ching dynasty also picked this date to end thier callender..etc . The bible talks of end days as seen in other posts...do some research on this date...its not anything new , this information has been around for centuries...Nastradamus also spoke of these years...2008-2012 ...
here is a good place to start
http://www.december212012.net/ | |
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Posted: 7/9/2008 5:23:00 PM | No. it is closer than you think. The way this planet is going one maybe two generations left.
Believing this is as ridiculous as thinking it won't happen. We're no where near the dark ages yet, and we won't be for a long long time. And even then we'll rise again. You people talk about the wars of man as if they play some part in the Divine Plan. How foolish.
december 21 2012
Nonsense. Conspiracy theory nonsense.
How could anyone other than God know when the world is going to end and why on earth would He tell us?
I bet you believe in fairies, too. | |
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| Do you belive the world is going to end??
Posted: 7/9/2008 5:38:56 PM | The abovementioned portents of doom in msg 73 might convince me if I could just escape the overwhelming suspicion that prophecy itself is bollocks and Nostradamus was a c*nt. Does anyone have any fulfilled prophesies that might dispel this prejudice?
Make them good ones. I prophesised yesterday that I would visit the toilet sometime today and was spot on, but somehow think it might have happened anyway.. | |
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