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Posted: 6/13/2008 6:36:33 PM | ^^^ I never said you bashed any one and I was not playing spin jocky at all. However, you just bashed me to make your point.
I do not have a problem with you suporting your daughter. You are entitled to your opinions. However, I do not see this thread as liberals lying and shoving facts down peoples throats. You do not have to back up oinions, but if you have facts to the contray to share with us to make this a more "bipartisan" fare, then be my guest. | |
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Posted: 6/14/2008 9:35:21 AM | ^^^^Your profile says you are quite liberal. I am talking in general of not just this thread but the bashing that goes on out there in the world as well. It gets old and wears on a person. As I said too everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I am tired of people in general **stardizing the hard work my daughter has done for OUR country, and they reap the benefits from it...they also bash her and insult her for being there. She has been to IRAQ 3 times now.She wouldn't be there if she thought someone had lied her into it. Shes brave smart and very capable. She came home last time and was spit on by a radical liberal in the airport!! I am well aware you would probably not do this but there are those who do. They have no facts to back up anything they blather. If you have read the whole post..notice there are some liberals, Dems ect. lying and shoving things down peoples throats. I didn't mean you personally and I am all for a bi-partisan fare as you call it. Shake hands? Your profile was fun..bohemian huh? | |
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Posted: 6/14/2008 9:58:55 AM |
I am well aware you would probably not do this but there are those who do.
I've spoken out quite strongly about my support of the military. I've posted a lot here about the injustices committed against them, the strain they are under, the effects that strain has on them, and even referenced (in one entire thread) "The Sandbox" , where POF's can go to read their words, and I've also given references to milblogs, and various ways to support the troops on a direct level, like sending them books and DVD's.
Liberal doesn't mean "anti-troop", nor "anti-war".
As I said too everyone is entitled to their own opinion
Agree, but with the proviso they get their facts straight while doing so.
They have no facts to back up anything they blather. If you have read the whole post..notice there are some liberals, Dems ect. lying and shoving things down peoples throats.
Indeed there are, and there are a great many on the right doing exactly the same thing. Our job is to make sure that the falsehoods are removed, if democracy is to have any hope at all, and that applies equally to both sides in the discussion.
She has been to IRAQ 3 times now.
You should be EXCEPTIONALLY proud of that fact, I would be, if she was MY kid too.
. She came home last time and was spit on by a radical liberal in the airport!!
Idiocy knows no political or national border.
I didn't mean you personally and I am all for a bi-partisan fare as you call it. Shake hands? Your profile was fun..bohemian huh
Uh-huh....
bo·he·mi·an
n.
A person with artistic or literary interests who disregards conventional standards of behavior.
If the shoe fits, walk a mile in it. 
If you go back and read what I posted, you'll see this administration said Iraq wasn't a threat, over and over again. It said Saddam was contained.
It then reversed itself 180 degrees, and started a process to war that did not follow the procedure that was needed to justify it. No NIE was done, until a Congressman asked for it.
A military simulation "Desert Crossing" was ignored, and that war game proved that even after toppling Saddam it would talk far larger numbers of troops to maintain order then were actually sent - and even then it was a coin toss as to it's probability.
An entire group of experts on Iraq were assembled, and millions were spent on post war procedures. All that work , and all those hours spent, were ignored.
At the UN , US and British diplomats said, during the debate there on it, that UNR 1441 was not a trigger for war - and then declared it so, and invaded.
Bremer fired the entire Iraqi army - and the Pentagon was not aware until it was done.
This entire war, from day one, was based on a deception of the American people - and a massive level of incompetence by those officers and politicians that lead the nation in the rush to war.
In doing so, they put the lives of people like your daughter at risk, good people.....in fact great people.
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Posted: 6/14/2008 12:30:33 PM | She is high ranking and wouldn't be there under the premise of a lie, she knows the risk and went anyway. She has read all of this and wants to go back and be there...as she see's the other side that others don't talk about because it would set many records straight. YES I am very proud of her as she thinks for herself...not based on opinions..or propaganda. Remember "Tokyo rose"???? We understand history repeats itself...this is nothing new. 
tokyo rose was just an example of propaganda and how destructive it can be...don't go postal on me! | |
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Posted: 6/15/2008 1:04:16 PM | ^^^^Your profile says you are quite liberal. I am talking in general of not just this thread but the bashing that goes on out there in the world as well. It gets old and wears on a person. As I said too everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I am tired of people in general **stardizing the hard work my daughter has done for OUR country, and they reap the benefits from it...they also bash her and insult her for being there. She has been to IRAQ 3 times now.She wouldn't be there if she thought someone had lied her into it. Shes brave smart and very capable. She came home last time and was spit on by a radical liberal in the airport!! I am well aware you would probably not do this but there are those who do. They have no facts to back up anything they blather. If you have read the whole post..notice there are some liberals, Dems ect. lying and shoving things down peoples throats. I didn't mean you personally and I am all for a bi-partisan fare as you call it. Shake hands? Your profile was fun..bohemian huh
I agree with most of this. I will say that just as I alighn my self asa bohimian, does not say that I am not a libertarian ( which is some what more conservative that the Lftist views of the common democrat, and definatly not as far right as facists or the Conservative moderate fdems). I dop concider my self quite liberal on most subjects as I feel change is important to growth; however, most of my voting uissuies and support on some topics like gun control, hate speach and what ever) go more towards the conservative side. So though I am liberal in some aspects of my life, I am not liberal in the sence of socialism, social programing and other issues financially that the liberals support. ( i.e. tax and spend behaviour). On fincial issues I would probaly more of a fiscal republican though I do not support the republicans other platform of hate. | |
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Posted: 6/15/2008 1:23:36 PM |
If you go back and read what I posted, you'll see this administration said Iraq wasn't a threat, over and over again. It said Saddam was contained.
It then reversed itself 180 degrees, and started a process to war that did not follow the procedure that was needed to justify it. No NIE was done, until a Congressman asked for it.
Actually not the case, since Democrats have been calling for the removal of Saddam Hussein SINCE 1998.
180 degrees? More like he stayed the course that was set back in 1998.
Don't forget these people have also lied to you for the last 10 years. If you think that Bush lied, then these people are lairs as well:
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.
"There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Sen. Carl Levin (d, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seing and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have alway s underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockerfeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002,
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. "[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp
Democrats have been calling for the removal of Saddam since 1998.
But if a Republican actually does what the democrats have been saying we should do. All of a sudden the Left winger America haters come out of the wood work and cry.. He Lied!!!
Most everyone who believes that, has been force fed that same lie so often that they now actually believe it, and deny the Dem's said anything for the last 10 years.
Selective memory, or just complete denial...
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Posted: 6/15/2008 2:06:51 PM | Being a veteran is noble, I work at the VA and have seen those coming from the debacle in Iraq not returning in a functional condition. With the exception of 10 veterans in the past 5 years, they unanimously agreed that Iraq was uslesss, another Vietnam, and that Bush was and is not doing a good job.
The military tends to shield the big picture from the soldiers, the piece you see probably does not reflect "the big picture".
Eisenhower reflected in his last term that America needs to be watchful of the "military industrial complex" who will try to steer politics for their own profit - his words are especially true today.
Treason? With all the silliness about "flag pins", i think it is ironic that the most blantant actions eroding our natrional conscience and finances, and putting young servicemen and women in harm's way is allowed to wear that pin. Your pride in your country is reflected by your actions, not by a piece of jewelry on your lapel.
And, in my opinion, Jerry Falwell died in order to tidy up hell for Bush and Cheney - you knew they were going there anyway ! | |
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Posted: 6/15/2008 2:10:49 PM | "It's to keep the oil underground, to keep it off the market. Supply and demand. Less oil available the more the big oil companies can charge and make more profit. Last thing they want is to flood the market with cheap oil"....
Mmmmmm... so the USA initially invaded Iraq to get the oil and now the USA wants to keep the oil in the Iraqi ground to profit the oil companies? You leftist conspirancy
kooks can't get your story right or you just make stuff up as you go. At this point the Iraqi's should sell us ALL their oil and for cheap since we liberated them from a murderous dictator of a tyrant. But shhhhhhh..... it's 'No blood for oil' bumper stickers
stickered on the back bumpers of carbon monoxide spewing cars driven by holier-then-thou purist leftists as the ideologues with no solutions or guts! | |
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Posted: 6/15/2008 2:31:09 PM | | In that case jail Blair and all the other world leaders that thought there were WMDs. Its just not that easy. Geezzz.. Why is it ultra liberals are so friken obnoxious? They only take in to account what they want to further their cause. Were there issues with going to war.. not yes, but HELL yes. So you want to send our leaders to jail. The terrorists beat you on 9/11 and you don't even know it. I will take the side of victory. | |
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Posted: 6/15/2008 2:31:49 PM | actually the yanks needed to secure the oil, since iraq was under a yank embargo, they needed to make sure the iraquis didnt sell their oil to the chinese or pakistanis or any of the other threats to yank world domination
the priceof oil rising isnt about scarcityof oil, here in alberta there are over 3 trillion barrels in the oilsands alone, that doesnt even include the saskatchewan oilsands, there is ample oil to last for the next 5 generations , even at peak usage
in any war though , the person that controls the oil, controls the outcome. you cant power you military with gold blocks .
time to impeach and send him to the chair
Published on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 by The Belfast Telegraph/Ireland
Kucinich Calls For Bush Impeachment
Former Democratic presidential contender, Dennis Kucinich, has called for the impeachment of George W Bush claiming that the president set out to deceive the nation, and violated his oath of office with the Iraq war.
The Ohio representative yesterday introduced 35 articles of impeachment against Bush on the floor of the US House of Representatives.
Kucinich unveiled a list of alleged illegal and improper acts by Bush, including war crimes.
He accused Bush executing a “calculated and wide-ranging strategy” to deceive citizens and Congress into believing that Iraq posed an imminent threat to the United States.
He went on to say that Bush and Cheney lied to Congress and the American public about the reasons for invading Iraq in 2003 and abused their offices in order to conduct the “War on Terror” following the 9/11 attacks.”Bush misled the American people and members of Congress to believe Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction so as to manufacture a false case for war. President George W. Bush, by such conduct, is guilty of an impeachable offense warranting removal from office,” Kucinich said.
He has already introduced a similar impeachment resolution against Vice President Cheney.
Bob Fertik, President of Democrats.com, said: “We’ve waited seven years to find one Member of Congress brave enough to stand up for our Constitution, for which generations of Americans have fought and died.
“We are thrilled and honored that Dennis Kucinich has chosen to be that one genuine patriot.
“We congratulate him on his historic leadership, and pledge to do everything in our power to persuade Congress to adopt all 35 Articles and put George W Bush on trial before the Senate of the United States, exactly as the Founding Fathers wanted.”
Speaker Nancy Pelosi stated that there will be no consideration of impeachment proceedings against Bush and said the idea was “off the table.”
Kucinich’s case: the 35 points
Article I
Creating a Secret Propaganda Campaign to Manufacture a False Case for War Against Iraq
Article II
Falsely, Systematically, and with Criminal Intent Conflating the Attacks of September 11, 2001, With Misrepresentation of Iraq as a Security Threat as Part of Fraudulent Justification for a War of Aggression
Article III
Misleading the American People and Members of Congress to Believe Iraq Possessed Weapons of Mass Destruction, to Manufacture a False Case for War
Article IV
Misleading the American People and Members of Congress to Believe Iraq Posed an Imminent Threat to the United States
Article V
Illegally Misspending Funds to Secretly Begin a War of Aggression
Article VI
Invading Iraq in Violation of the Requirements of HJRes114
Article VII
Invading Iraq Absent a Declaration of War.
Article VIII
Invading Iraq, A Sovereign Nation, in Violation of the UN Charter
Article IX
Failing to Provide Troops With Body Armor and Vehicle Armor
Article X
Falsifying Accounts of US Troop Deaths and Injuries for Political Purposes
Article XI
Establishment of Permanent U.S. Military Bases in Iraq
Article XII
Initiating a War Against Iraq for Control of That Nation’s Natural Resources
Article XIIII
Creating a Secret Task Force to Develop Energy and Military Policies With Respect to Iraq and Other Countries
Article XIV
Misprision of a Felony, Misuse and Exposure of Classified Information And Obstruction of Justice in the Matter of Valerie Plame Wilson, Clandestine Agent of the Central Intelligence Agency
Article XV
Providing Immunity from Prosecution for Criminal Contractors in Iraq
Article XVI
Reckless Misspending and Waste of U.S. Tax Dollars in Connection With Iraq and US Contractors
Article XVII
Illegal Detention: Detaining Indefinitely And Without Charge Persons Both U.S. Citizens and Foreign Captives
Article XVIII
Torture: Secretly Authorizing, and Encouraging the Use of Torture Against Captives in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Other Places, as a Matter of Official Policy
Article XIX
Rendition: Kidnapping People and Taking Them Against Their Will to ” Black Sites” Located in Other Nations, Including Nations Known to Practice Torture
Article XX
Imprisoning Children
Article XXI
Misleading Congress and the American People About Threats from Iran, and Supporting Terrorist Organizations Within Iran, With the Goal of Overthrowing the Iranian Government
Article XXII
Creating Secret Laws
Article XXIII
Violation of the Posse Comitatus Act
Article XXIV
Spying on American Citizens, Without a Court-Ordered Warrant, in Violation of the Law and the Fourth Amendment
Article XXV
Directing Telecommunications Companies to Create an Illegal and Unconstitutional Database of the Private Telephone Numbers and Emails of American Citizens
Article XXVI
Announcing the Intent to Violate Laws with Signing Statements
Article XXVII
Failing to Comply with Congressional Subpoenas and Instructing Former Employees Not to Comply
Article XXVIII
Tampering with Free and Fair Elections, Corruption of the Administration of Justice
Article XXIX
Conspiracy to Violate the Voting Rights Act of 1965
Article XXX
Misleading Congress and the American People in an Attempt to Destroy Medicare
Article XXXI
Katrina: Failure to Plan for the Predicted Disaster of Hurricane Katrina, Failure to Respond to a Civil Emergency
Article XXXII
Misleading Congress and the American People, Systematically Undermining Efforts to Address Global Climate Change
Article XXXIII
Repeatedly Ignored and Failed to Respond to High Level Intelligence Warnings of Planned Terrorist Attacks in the US, Prior to 911.
Article XXXIV
Obstruction of the Investigation into the Attacks of September 11, 2001
Article XXXV
Endangering the Health of 911 First Responders | |
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Posted: 6/15/2008 2:58:46 PM | Hi Op
The Senate Intelligence Committee finally issued its report on prewar intelligence during build up to the Iraq War, the report confirms that Bush lied to the American people about the Iraq War.
Nexthyme
My question is this, WHY at the end of their running term is it JUST coming out... Will they be held accountable for their war crimes after leaving office?
Didn't we know before. Didn't Tony Blair stand up sounding surprised in the Houses of Parliament and Stated “Sadam has weapons of mass destruction and can hit England in 45 mins” If England and the USA are the main exporters in the world for ARMS shouldn't have known this ? You can see Blair was lying from the outset. Ok Sadam killed many of the marsh kerds, 150,000. Since the war started, the Blair and Bush war, haven’t there been nearly 1,000,000 Iraq’s killed ? Now look at the place, what a mess! Its like a Hornets Nest. Mined you, the new weapons, armed and tested in compact, worth ten fold more !!! ????? | |
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Posted: 6/15/2008 7:47:19 PM |
here in alberta there are over 3 trillion barrels in the oilsands alone, that doesnt even include the saskatchewan oilsands, there is ample oil to last for the next 5 generations , even at peak usage
Shhhhhhh!
(oh, Not that ^ is a 'Secret' - but? 'Pointing Out , reminding'? Probly not a good...)
WHY Is it , that even when people Have FACTS , PROOF - provided To Them, Right before their Eyes, Is being Provided by Officials With Verifiable Facts, Sources...
Those people Still...Don't , Won't ... SEE?
Everyone has their Own Opinion of the Answer to "WHY?" I believe there are many,
Many 'reasons' , that Some are a Long List of a 'Lifetime of Conditioning' (that...would be Very Difficult to 'Undo')
However, in This Particular instance : It is something akin to ...
Some Things are So Terrible , So Traumatic (to even Think Of , Consider) - That...
The mind just CAN'T accept it. The 'akin' part being : The Often occuring DENIAL
that happens when a Traumatic Event occurs , is Disclosed (Rape of Baby/Child , Etc),
an individual just Clamps Shut their mind - so Tightly , Cements themself in a ...
'Ears Covered, chanting "La La La La La!" mode.
Bush Bush ited , it has Been PROVEN , still ... "La La La La La..."
(by Too Many)
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Posted: 6/16/2008 12:18:43 AM | Don't forget these people have also lied to you for the last 10 years. If you think that Bush lied, then these people are lairs as well:
The problem, Sandi, is that as I read through all of that, I don't see anything which says Saddam was directly or indirectly responsible for the heinous acts of aggression we have come to collectively refer to as "9/11."
THAT is the lie that was told to the U.S., in order to facilitate the revenge and financial profit-motivated decision to invade that sovereign nation.
Even when the perpetrator of the crime was identified as Osama bin Laden, and we had determined the whereabouts and location of his forces to be in Afghanistan, this administration poured virtually all of our resources in the scheduled invasion effort, feeding the American people the LIES about Saddam, funding Al Queda and having weapons of mass destruction that he had planned to use on this country.
An international weapons inspection consortium (including U.S. inspectors) and other experts went through Iraq and confirmed -- repeatedly -- that there were no such weapons to be found. Saddam himself repeatedly proclaimed to the Western world that he had no weapons and ultimately invited and challenged the U.N. teams to identify any such weapons within his borders. Bush repeatedly chanted "he won't disarm." Despite the fact that there was not a single piece of creditable empirical evidence to support a conclusion that Saddam even had such weapons -- let alone had planned to use them to attack the country with most powerful military in the world -- Bush continually held his ground with "he won't disarm."
As the rest of the world knew he and Cheney were full of chit, we saw worldwide protests to the invasion of Iraq on the scale that we have never seen before or since, and we ultimately ended up running into Iraq essentially alone/unilaterally. Sure, a couple other nations sent a couple dozen troops; some sent advisors; and one or two may have even sent a case or two of MRE's. But the world knew that what we had done amounted to a criminal act of military aggression.
Once the Al Queda -bit was rendered false, and the WMD -bit was rendered incorrect, and reports began to come to light suggesting that this administration knew all along that they were lying to (or -- to use the euphemism more commonly-employed by those afraid of Bush/Cheney retaliation -- "misleading") Congress and the American people, Bush changed his tune to one about Saddam being "an evil dictator" who "gassed his own people," as an effort to justify the criminal invasion post de facto.
Congress had sought to seize the oil wells of Iraq in order to replenish the U.S. Treasury for the costs attendant this invasion, but Bush blocked that. No ... he'd rather we just take the trillions out of the treasury, and funnel them to his cronies through the means of "no bid" contracts which, to this day, nets Halliburton nearly $15B/monthly. And, with little to no oversight in connection with the financial dealings in Iraq, probably even more.
Bush fought -- tooth and nail -- with Congress, rejecting its efforts to compel him to spend some of that money on safety gear for the troops (such as body armor and armored vehicles); but Bush was ever strong, refusing to deny his corporate oil buddies a single dime. When former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson circulated his op-ed piece, describing how and why he believed Bush/Cheney had deliberately "misled" Congress about Iraq's nuclear capabilities and belligerent intent (in order to shore up support for his illegal invasion), they retaliated by outing the identity of his CIA operative wife, ending her career, those of her associates, and endangering her own life and those of her loved ones.
REPEATEDLY, Bush/Cheney flatly refused to speak to Congress (or any investigative body) about what they knew. Then, they indicated that they would speak only "off the record" to a select few investigators of their own choosing. And, finally, they indicated that they would speak the truth to the investigators -- but only if allowed to do so "not under oath!" (WHAT A FRIGGIN DISGRACE!!!  )
So we all know he lied his hiney off in order to advance the financial interests of a very small cadre of business associates. The Bush's are an oil clan, and have been for quite some time now. And, for defending Bush as many of us insist upon doing, we all get to pay $50-70 per tankful, and Exxon gets to grow faster than Google, earning record-breaking profits quarter after quarter. Meanwhile, bin Laden relaxes somewhere -- laughing at us -- knowing that this administration is far too consumed with the mission of making money for its insiders to worry devote much in the way of resources or effort to bring him to justice.
Saddam would have never attacked the U.S. Doing so would not have made any sense for him -- political or otherwise. He was not supporting or facilitating Al Queda -- although the increased hatred we have bred in some of the young Middle Easterners may very well have fortified its ranks. Saddam has done some pretty bad things to fellow Iraqis. Just like they do in China, North Korea, Cuba, Haiti, Kenya, and a host of other nations around the world, most prominently Darfur. But we don't launch unprovoked attacks on them. But, with Iraq holding somewhere between the world's second and fourth largest oil reserves, while the other aforementioned nations don't even rank, it doesn't take a foreign policy expert to understand why an "oil man" might want to use our dollars -- and the lives of our loved ones -- to invade Iraq and drink that region's milkshake.
So who is the one who is REALLY in "complete denial?" 
Any of you Bush/Cheney defenders still have your Gas Masks that sold out, while we gave up all our rights in the name of the "imminent threat" of another attack? It's Threat Level Orange again! | |
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Posted: 6/16/2008 9:42:34 AM | {Article XXXV ?????
Endangering the Health of 911 First Responder}?????
What a bunch of hogwash...I endanger myself everyday being a rescue worker/ firefighter and I got here long before Bush came to office...either of them. I make a choice to do what I do!!!...just because you wrote something or cut and pasted it...it doesn't make it so...there are a lot of things on there that are simply not true or bear no resemblence of truth. Bush has nothing to do with the whole worlds gas problems, other than being one of ALL the world leaders coming together...Bush is not the head of Canada or any other country but America.HE ONLY REPRESENTS AMERICA. People look at how government is really structured and you will find no leader has done anything alone...he/she has to have things approved...Katrina's deal was not Bush at all...the states waited to long to ask for aid..which is how WE the people set up our government. There is a sequence of events that have to happen before we stick our nose into a states business. When asked WE the people at the direction of George Bush and others moved right in and helped. I am sure you will now blame Bush for the weather and the hurricane that destroyed peoples lives. I can't believe the people that let others rhetoric do their thinking for them. I am proud to be a rescue worker and stand by my brothers and sisters 100%. Don't insult us with your distorted thinking, one day it might be you we put our life on the line for and pull you out of a dangerous situation. Get YOUR facts straight. | |
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Posted: 6/16/2008 9:56:24 AM | So, Jeanie, out of over 20 instances, you pick two you don't agree with and discount the others. Get your priorities in check, you've been duped and you continue to let yourself get duped by this administration.
And Vyper®, great post. | |
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Posted: 6/16/2008 10:09:44 AM | | There were alot more in there but I choose to only talk about these few. I would have been here all day with the rest of the hogwash...I am entitled to my opinion whether you think its stupid or not..I am quite capable of seeing the crap from shinola...I won't let anyone do my thinking for me and blindly hand over my brain to a bunch of opinions someone else holds dear to them. I don't expect anyone to agree with what I feel, but lets just agree to disagree and keep your aggression to yourself. I haven't been duped at all..thats just your perception. | |
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| Senate proves Bush lied us into war.
Posted: 6/16/2008 10:22:46 AM | The problem VPR is that the only people to make the "connection" between Iraq and 911 are the Liberal/Democrat/Progressives, that want people to believe that was a reason to invade Iraq.
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THAT is the lie that was told to the U.S., in order to facilitate the revenge and financial profit-motivated decision to invade that sovereign nation.
I'd like to see any piece of evidence that supports that statement.
Iraq in any way responsible for 911. Nope.
Saddam supporting terrorists and terrorism. Yup.
911 hijackers were terrorists. Yup.
Thats about the only connection. Your just furthering the LIE that there was any claim, that Iraq was responsible for 911.
Also, if you see the mountain of evidence on the Snopes link, you will find even more data. There was simply to much to post on this board.
Other than that. You make a lot of wild claims and yet, have NO supporting evidence. Hence, this is your OPINION and nothing more. produce some evidence and your rant might be believable.
So, basically your post is just more background noise to try to confuse the issue.
Nice try. | |
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| Senate proves Bush lied us into war.
Posted: 6/16/2008 10:26:10 AM | Okay I was happy to stay out of this up till now... but now... NOW I'm pissed.
What a bunch of hogwash...I endanger myself everyday being a rescue worker/ firefighter and I got here long before Bush came to office...either of them. I make a choice to do what I do!!
So did I and so do I but the difference between you and I Lady is that -I- was here in NYC and -MY- brothers and sisters and -I- responded. WE served we did our duty and many of us paid the ultimate sacrafices then and there. But we are continuing to suffer because critical information was withheld and not given to us. YOU do not speak for US.. you have no way to even BEGIN to speak for us who answered the call that day. We have watched for promised support that never came, we have suffered denial of problems exhibted by the largest numbers of us, we have heard the denials of the conditions they knew existed even as they told us they didn't Nor were all the First responders rescue/firefighters many who came to the call weren't. We watch our ranks thin as disability and death take us much faster then that which we have experinced before. Thats before we take into consideration the very likely posibility that Bush could have prevented it all as well.
FEMA has opperated effectively for years in responding to emergencies it never failed in such absolute regard until Bush. I know because I responded with FEMA before many times including hurricane Andrew. It wasn't the states that failed because the procedures have existed for years. Trained over and over again by emergency managers and officers it failed because the coordination point was under federal control and THEY had been decimated by Bush.
So don't say you stand beside us 100% when you turn your back on us to protect that coward who never once in his life put his life on the line for another and has done nothing but exploit the memory of our fallen don't you DARE. | |
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| Senate proves Bush lied us into war.
Posted: 6/16/2008 10:41:49 AM | "May they find the best rope my tax dollars can purchase..."
Wait - wait - wait - I want to contribute too!!
(What's sad is to believe that the war is not based on propoganda, and to believe that propoganda is more viable than facts.) | |
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| Senate proves Bush lied us into war.
Posted: 6/16/2008 4:39:31 PM | ... the only people to make the "connection" between Iraq and 911 are the Liberal/Democrat/Progressives, that want people to believe that was a reason to invade Iraq.
Oh my GOODNISS, Sandi!!! 
I know you ain't no "dumb" dude, so I can only conclude that you must have been tryin to make a funny!
SURELY you are not seriously contemplating that it was the "Liberal/Democrat/Progressives" publicly linking Iraq and 9/11!!! I mean, I know you're not speaking under oath, but COME ON!!!!
I suppose that was Barack Obama in a Mission Impossible-style Dikk Cheney mask talking to the late Tim Russert in all those clips where he was making such ties -- despite the evidence to the contrary. I further assume that those "liberals" were the one behind this whole Iraq mess inuring to the gross pecuniary benefit of Cheney's company, Halliburton, as well, eh?
You're KILLING me over here!!!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/08/AR2006090800777.html
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9405E6DA1330F930A35755C0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/10/cheney-cites-zarqawi/
pay attention to Cheney 1 for the Iraq link (in COMPLETE disregard to the REAL, Saudi links); pay attention to Cheney 2 for the Halliburton cash flow discussion. OOPS! I mean the "Liberal-pretending-to-be-Cheney" video clips!
Incidentally, Sandi, I didn't offer up much in the way of "opinion" in my earlier post; most of it was mere recitation of history as it transpired. No worries, though, the volumes of recorded evidence (in the form of video clips and articles available for review) back up the claims I made.
For those with plenty of spare times on their hands, Ms. Lisa Rein has been so good to assemble a collection of some of this administration's lies, as highlighted and published in a variety of creditable news sources. I might suggest you start reading from the bottom upwards, for a nauseating trip up Memory Lane:
http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/the_shrub_war_wmd_lies/
Oh! And, before I forget ... Thanks, Mad Baby!!!  | |
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| Senate proves Bush lied us into war.
Posted: 6/16/2008 6:40:33 PM | ... the only people to make the "connection" between Iraq and 911 are the Liberal/Democrat/Progressives, that want people to believe that was a reason to invade Iraq.
I'm so knocked on my arse that you actually PUT that thought into print for a third party to see, that I'm STILL flabbergasted, some hours after first reading your reply!!!
I can't believe you actually wrote that, man! 
So I say Bush and Cheney have suggested suck a link, and you say it's the liberals/Democrats.
I'd appreciate it if you could identify for us all the liberal/democrat featured so prominently in each of the two pictures associated with these articles:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3119676.stm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html
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Colin Powell and 'The Power of Audacity'
Stop the Presses
By Eric Alterman
This article appeared in the September 22, 2003 edition of The Nation.
September 4, 2003
One of the problems with the media coverage of this Administration is that it requires bad manners. I don't mean the kind of bad manners usually associated with reporters: shouting over one another, elbowing a colleague to get closer to one's interview subject or even quoting an anonymous source reporting that so-and-so really isn't up to the job. Rather, to be an honest, objective and fair-minded reporter of the Bush Administration's policies requires pointing out repeatedly and without sentimentality that just about all the men and women responsible for the conduct of this nation's foreign (and many of its domestic) affairs are entirely without personal honor when it comes to the affairs of state. This simply isn't done in respectable journalism, and the Bush people understand that ...
Full article found here: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20030922/alterman | |
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| Senate proves Bush lied us into war.
Posted: 6/16/2008 6:55:11 PM | There is plenty of evidence to prosecute the administration. The Democratic Congress just decided not to pursue it for various reasons- which I feel is unfortunate- and now I'm sure they believe the focus should be on Obama winning the election above all else.
Ensuring that old warhawk McCain doesn't end up in office- which would be an unmitigated disaster- is indeed of utmost importance at this point in history.
To the dimbulbs who say 'thinking this is treason'...good god, it's a travesty that you made it not only through high school, but through some segment of the military without even knowing the tenets this country WAS FOUNDED UPON. For Christ's sake, READ and EDUCATE yourself! | |
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