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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 6/30/2008 9:04:25 PM | | Dear God Ron, I have only mentioned Africa because you were talking about how much good US troops have done in Iraq, but my point is: the US military could not care less for the situation of women and children....yes, they used it as a nice public relation issue, but that is NOT the reason why they went to war in Iraq. Got it now? Sure, the UN is silent on the issue of Africa and, as cowardly as the US are doing, they don't see a point in getting involved. Who cares about being humanitarian anyways....the rights of freedom of speech and choice is only a right in the country you live in, right? Who cares about what other nations do......they call it "the survival issue" , go figure, survival of them, not of everybody else, of course. Some people are beyond help. But thanks for your nice feelings. I don't need God's blessing, but I will accept them if this is what you believe in. I got to stay out of the Politic Forum.....it brings out the worse part of me. Good bye. | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 6/30/2008 9:40:39 PM | | I'm just waiting till dick and Bush finally find themselves hanging from the tallest tree in the land wondering "why people don't like us" , It's because you destroyed so many countries silly including your own !! | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 7/1/2008 5:58:23 AM | They call the game , "Texas Hold Em"
the "flop" ~ is confussing ~ everyone 's in a blind
then the "turn"
then come the "river"
It's all about illusion, fear and balls.
Odds favor few ~ deeppockets having the edge.
Now if it so happens that you "know" your opponents cards
It's hardly a game at all.
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 7/1/2008 8:04:57 AM | Not sure why exactly but I've always hated Cheney much more so than Bush. It's like the very sight of Cheney nearly enrages me, whereas with Bush , while I can't stand the sight of him anymore at all, it's not quite as "acute"....  | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 7/1/2008 8:46:10 AM | I have to agree. Bush does not create aversion to me....I kind of pity him, the pappet at the service of the congress and its interest. ( You, Nero 1 drove me back here, you bad!!!)
Going back to Italy and my being idealistic in my vision, Nero1: I did agree with you, politically speaking Italy sucks, but the spirit of Italy is good and very human; it created pieces of art that the rest of world can only dream of and gave history a Renaissance that enlightened the whole world......If only people were able in theses days and age of such beauty and passion, of such Universality of Mind! But they prefer to shut down in the face of the horrors of the world, myself included. If you look at it closely, in a way, it is like killing ourselves. Perhaps organic farming and primitive living will bring us back to sanity but the problem is......the natural resources are gone, nature is dying...and what is left is? Our greed.
This is why I love living in Vancouver, I have nature close by; I miss the culture of the old world but that is a price I can pay for now. Yes, Bush is a good guy, let's not crucify him for the sins of humanity. I don't know why but, If I look at the world situation, only a piece of art comes to my mind: Michelangelo's Pieta' and, coincidentally, a feeling of Pity arises. Wow, I ended up being artistic and sentimental in the political forum..........Who would have thought! Must be Canada Day. Happy Canada Day.
I have only a suggestion for brainwashed and close-minded US masses: study the Classics instead of going to WallMart.....you might learn something useful. Value the good of Iranian, Persian and indian culture: they have truly amazing poetry. Learn about those that are different from you, you have only got something to gain. The world is global........it extends to China, it does not end with your borders. Today you are UP and tomorrow you are DOWN, another empire collapsing. Oh well, that is just the way it has always been; in a way, nothing has changed: Very paradoxical. | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 7/1/2008 9:32:37 AM | OK, Thank you for saving us from Hitler. Now, that was Useful.
But now you are going down....put your ego down and think how convenient is to you to defend the world......not convenient for your soldiers, they die ( Honor to Them!) but bad for you as a country in the end as well.
I agree: military forces should be active and should be used ( Europe makes me laugh in this regard, I agree) but with Judgment. I am not one that believes in Peace at all costs. We need both, but with good judgment. I am not sure telling a bunch of lies to the world was such a good idea. Fighting extremism, yes, I agree with. But there is good and bad everywhere. It is all a matter of balance, a balancing act, so to speak. America has many talents as well, but often badly used. Yes, thank you for the amazing scientific work and the freedom of search, but now you are living in a Police State Country, whose image made enemies in the world at large. We should have both together......the wonders of capitalism and the humanity of socialism: It can be done, in my opinion.....it is not all black and white. If Obama steers clear, he can succeed. I liked Clinton's plan better, personally, but it was too idealistic. A nice soft guy like Obama is what you need, although I do not agree on everything ( I never do anyways).... I like that he has a black wife, I have always liked underdogs. You are on your way out, don't worry. | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 7/1/2008 10:01:27 AM | The American habidasher/ president, Harry Truman was a ~~ nice soft guy ~~
and with all due respect ~ did not blink , when a hard decision was layed at his doorstep. ~ Smoke 'em
We need to get passed the John Wayne , cowboy image.
Magrert Thatcher was as tough as a nickel steak ~
It's the size of the fight in the dog ~ not the size of the dog.
and YES ~ Cheney reminds me of Phil Gramm ~ both weasels.
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 7/1/2008 10:16:12 AM | with Truman's words ""If you can't stand the heat, you better get out of the kitchen."
The US decision to go to war and use the army might not have necessarily been a bad one, but has not been carried out well.. Enough is enough....when you can't reach the goal, get out! Didn't they go in to find weapons of mass destruction? Where are they? In the hands of Bin Laden? Who has stolen them? So.........what I understood is: they went in to find the weapons of mass destructions of Hussein and they didn't, so they decided to get Bin Laden and they didn't....why are they staying if not to guarantee military bases there to be able to negotiate for the oil? Like that would solve the natural resources problem.....it delays it, that is the only thing that it does. oh I forgot.....they need to get more military bases in strategic points all around the world. Yeah, this is why they are staying.
Ok ,now I understand. And in order to have this strategy in place, a strategy that might be useful or might not be useful, they are paying the price of hundreds deaths and hundreds of traumatized soldiers back....ok: Power if truly worth everything, even your own sons' souls. | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 7/1/2008 11:09:48 AM | | The White House sees the progress in a particularly positive light, declaring in a new assessment to Congress that Iraq's efforts on 15 of 18 benchmarks are "satisfactory" — almost twice of what it determined to be the case a year ago. The May 2008 report card, obtained by the Associated Press, determines that only two of the benchmarks — enacting and implementing laws to disarm militias and distribute oil revenues — are unsatisfactory. | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 7/1/2008 11:15:08 AM | | Oh no, mess 315! You are not wrong and not right either. But I would like to understand what have you achieved with the war, supposingly in answer to the 9/11 attack. Please explain this, because truly I am a bit retarded, I don't understand. I don't even understand how can you compare this to the civil war inside your country. Of course you are better than Russia and China but what does have this to do with 9/11??? Show me the light, please, message 315. Maybe I am stupid. | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 7/1/2008 11:26:54 AM | | show me - maybe you didn't get the memo - the Iraqi's had nothing to do with 911. are you suggesting that all the things you listed was reason enough to invade and occupy a country where 100's of thousands of people who have nothing to do with anything have been killed because we were lied to by people like you who try to connect things that have no connection? | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 7/1/2008 3:11:01 PM | One of the wmds that was said Iraq was producing was ricin. In 2004, London police arrested 4 terrorists that were found with ricin. There was a al answar(al queda connected) terrorist training camp in the mountains of Iraq that was run by none other than Zarqawi. The camp was tested and guess what? It tested positive for the same ricin that was found in London. This is the msnbc article:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3070394/
The United States is not a Police state and it really seems that left wing thinkers are bigger exaggerators than truth tellers. If you think America is so bad why don't you check and see who is the largest donor of disaster supplies in the world and which country contributes more than anyone else to fight global poverty? I detect a lot of jealousy in the posts of those that hate the USA. We have the largest immigration problem in the world. You know why? Because here you can actually be someone. If you work hard enough plan well and save your money. Otherwise why would so many want to come here? Thank God for the freedom we have and for our constitution that guarantees that freedom. | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 7/1/2008 3:14:14 PM | [We need to get passed the John Wayne , cowboy image. ]
Does that mean people are going to give up their cowboy hats and boots? | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 7/1/2008 3:31:29 PM | Jealous? Good grief, your denial is huge!
If you haven't noticed, Europe has many immigrants too, it's just that here you have more space above all.
However, I personally prefer Canada. As a matter of fact, being able to choose among Canada, US and Europe, I have chosen Canada.
Nobody says that America sucks. It has been said that now, under the current conditions, America is not one of the best places to live.
Maybe you haven't read the last statistics with places that have the highest quality of life....US is not in the top 5 but you see Switzerland, Scandinavia, Canada. Don't you wonder why? Yes, you have freedom and you have the possibility of wealth, but for a few, not for the majority. If you don't bridge that gap between the rich and the poor.....there is only one way your quality of life will go, in my opinion: down the drain. | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 7/1/2008 3:35:53 PM | I agree he deserved the tomatoes, totally ..... But come on, I'm Italian by ethnicity (and actually nationality as well..."dual" citizen here and there).... a "historical humanitarian and socialist" country?? That's overglorifying a bit though isn't it? Forgetting one of the most dominating empires the world has ever seen, with its beating heart in Rome. And then , less than hundred yrs after the birth of the modern Italy, a nearly quarter-century love affair with Fascism (indeed the birthplace of Fascism) and reborn Roman-style imperialism conquering Albania, Ethiopia (using chemical weapons on the people there, the "inferior" black race, killing tens of thousands of them), etc, and allying with one of the world's most demented regimes ever , helping to export Jews up to the north...
The people (at least in the smaller places from south of Rome like the village where my father was born) are nearly to a man devoutly Roman Catholic and enamored of the Church ...and only just recently (re)-elected Right-winger (and friend of Bush), Berlusconi -- and his coalition includes actual neo-Fascists. Rome has elected its first openly far-Right mayor since WWII. Have you ever heard all of the anti-immigrant sentiment over there? And then you have some of the Northerners who want to split the country in half at Rome, who say things like 'when they united Italy they really just divided north Africa', etc...
Though there were and are Leftist strongholds in places like Parma , for example, and yes probably close to half the country is more liberal than a lot of your typical Americans, I still believe a good lot of the country remains quite conservative and Catholic (at least nominally) and would not call them a "historically socialist" humanitarian country. As I said in another thread on a different topic, "...it's not exactly Scandinavia" or even Canada we're talking about here....
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The facists didnt deport the Jews whilst they were in power, they were only deported and murdered after italy surrendered.
Despite numerous requests to hand them over .
Berlusconi has a clear mandate now, no more excuses.
The communists and greens didnt win ione seat in the parliament at the recent election.
As for the person saying the US military was wrecked by Clinton, The Cold War was over. Why have such a huge military with no threat. | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 7/1/2008 3:43:33 PM | When I said 'humanitarian', I meant in spirit, not politically, especially not right now. Fascism succeeded ( temporarily) not because Italians were stupid, but because they needed somebody to bring the economy up and establish order and Mussolini did that, for a while, before he went nuts. The same did Hitler, before he went nuts.
Berlusconi is strongly disliked by has been voted almost unanimously because there wasn't any valid alternative.
The communist are out now, but for a long time, together with socialists, they have dominated the political scene, too a much bigger extent that Mussolini did. To this day in Italy we have universal health care and social assistance almost at the level of Canada ( if it wasn't that ,from Rome up, Italian are too proud too use it -- from Rome down it is a different story, culturally speaking: This is why you can clearly distinguish northern italians from southern italians, and not only from the accent; with this I don't mean to be racist in any way, shape or form, it is just the way it is, or at least, it was, before I departed). | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 7/1/2008 3:44:29 PM |
As for the person saying the US military was wrecked by Clinton, The Cold War was over. Why have such a huge military with no threat.
We got hit... American Interests with deaths... 3 times at least under Clinton. Our defenses were down. It took lots of money to build our Military back. It's not mensa material. Just common sense. | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 7/1/2008 5:50:51 PM | under 43 ~ all policy is foreign!
I knew somthing was screwy ~ when Donald started running things. His ideas about combat flew in the face of logic and everything I knew and understood about running a war. His numbers was always way off ~ his time frame was way off ~ He went in like , The Golden Hord, no concern for civilians ~ like the airport was the only backdoor ~
Mistake after mistake ~ I'm thinking where's our Brass! ~ what up here!
this is going to be a meat grinder! We paid rent! ~ we didn't move around ~ we didn't lock the country down tight ~we couldn't~~~~~ not enough boots on the ground.
We should have sent Donald and his family! ~ Sorry piece of sh1t!
For me this was the first sign of a very deep and big problem. ~ These people don't give a sh!t about a soldier ~ they are insane.
And then ~ thing start to unfold and come undone.
Okay ~ agreed our forces was down ~ but we'd never planed on a clown to run a war and have such a waste of rescourses.
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 7/1/2008 5:56:33 PM | | ronjo - since you bring up biological weapons, how about the biological weapons that killed people here in the US (all of them democrats) and was traced back the a US biological weapons lab which has never even been investigated...? | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 7/2/2008 11:41:42 AM | Ronjo: this is for you and for all the close-minded us citizens that think they live in the best country existing on the face of the earth.
News from Today's Reuters
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Denmark, with its democracy, social equality and peaceful atmosphere, is the happiest country in the world, researchers said on Monday.
"Denmark is the happiest country in the world in our ratings," Inglehart said in an audio statement released by the National Science Foundation , which paid for the analysis.
"Denmark is prosperous -- not the richest country in the world but it is prosperous."
Puerto Rico and Colombia also rank highly, along with Northern Ireland, Iceland, Switzerland, Ireland, the Netherlands, Canada and Sweden.
"THOUGH BY NO MEANS THE HAPPIEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, from a global perspective the United States looks pretty good," Inglehart said. "The country is not only prosperous; it ranks relatively high in gender equality, tolerance of ethnic and social diversity and has high levels of political freedom."
Writing in the journal Perspectives on Psychological Science, Ingelhart's team said they have surveyed 350,000 people.
"Ultimately, the most important determinant of happiness is the extent to which people have free choice in how to live their lives," Inglehart said.
(Reporting by Maggie Fox, editing by Philip Barbara)
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So, you have got it decent, Ron, but by no means you have got the best, you are not even the one with the most freedom of choice. ( including freedom of speech). Touche'
You are simply one of the most powerful,,,,,actually YOU WERE. | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 7/2/2008 12:21:50 PM | | ^^ Correct. The notion that everyone from Europe is clamoring to come to America today is simply no longer true. That's a thing of the past; of the past immigration waves when things were far better here economically than over there. The only reason most came (my own family included) was for the money, after all ; not out of some deep love for or interest in the "American experiment".... as though they could have even comprehended what that was where they came from. In any case, the US dollar is dying by comparison to the Euro today, and they have just as free and comfortable a life, in some cases freer and even more comfortable, as here. Many of them have some form of universal health care already, and most today live long relatively happy and healthy lives, complete with comfortable retirements on state pension often at an earlier age than here -- where all too often people are being forced to continue working nearly until their dying day. They also don't have to worry about being gunned down in gang crossfire in any major cosmopolitan center because everyone does not insist on being armed to the teeth and have a nearly totally paranoid outlook on the world. | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 7/2/2008 12:24:57 PM | I wonder how many people are emigrating from the US to Europe? I know of one personally. A friend of the family married an Irish man and moved to Ireland. Last I heard she is doing fine.
We need to get universal health care started up in our country, and move our country forward. The right wing dingbats that have been running our government for far too long have caused us to have a weaker dollar and a lower quality of life. I don't even anticipate being able to retire myself.  | |
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