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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 7/2/2008 12:30:08 PM | ^^ It's always been a notion in the back of my mind; going back to where my father originally came from in Italy. If this country goes much further downhill, it might not be entirely unrealistic for the future. I'm really only here, as it is, out of circumstance, and inertia basically.
Back to the Iraq debacle....here retired Catholic priest Andrew Greeley discusses it in his column in today's Chicago Sun-Times (generally this falls in line with the Times' editorial opinion, it seems, which is the only reason I can keep buying it...). Considering it's coming from a former priest, Christians here would do well especially to think twice about it :
http://www.suntimes.com/news/greeley/1034720,CST-EDT-greel02.article
--- Bush used phony patriotism to start war ----
July 2, 2008Recommend (8)
ANDREW GREELEY
The Russians call World War II "The Great Patriotic War." The current longest of our wars could well be called the same thing. It is a war that originated in the orgy of patriotism ("U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!") that followed the attack on the World Trade Center and Pentagon and has been sustained by the patriotism of those who support it ("Our soldiers are defending American freedom") and false promises of some latter-day prophets ("We are winning the war in Iraq.") It is likely to be revived by the Iranian attack that the McCainites see as their main chance of winning the election.
The president was right in his spontaneous reaction when he first heard of the attack -- "This is war!" The subtext was, "Now I'll be a wartime president and people will forget about Florida and how Antonin Scalia stole the election." The Arabs had killed 3,000 Americans; we had to kill at least that many of them.
The issue was: Which Arabs? The obvious target was Saudi Arabia. Most of the terrorists were from that country, indeed products of the religious education that the country provided for its devout young men. But the Saudi royal family has excellent relations with the American oil companies. So very early in the discussions the neo-cons in the administration began to promote the idea of attacking Iraq. The road to Jerusalem, they argued, is through Baghdad. The administration's neo-cons were (and are) very heavy thinkers. They write great memos. The days when the country was hesitating, some of them found a story about cooperation between al-Qaida and the Iraq government that seemed to legitimate an attack on Iraq. Some of their allies in the media, most notably the Wall Street Journal, insisted that this fable was true.
Much of the literature on the Longest War finds it hard to explain how the decision was made to attack Iraq. Poor Scott McClellan had it part right in his book. The administration, influenced by the memos of the neo-cons, decided that toppling Saddam Hussein would restructure the Middle East to American advantage. But that was a thesis too complicated to sell to the American people. Therefore, the desire for patriotic revenge was used in combination with fear of Iraq's (as it turns out nonexistent) weapons to launch a great patriotic war. The Republican Party continues to rely on this lethal combination to win elections.
National security means kill Arabs. We get our revenge by protecting our children. We start a patriotic war in the name of self-protection and spread patriotic gore by killing Arabs. Neat!
It is not the first patriotic/revenge war on which the country has embarked. Remember the Maine. Remember the Alamo. Remember Fort Sumter. Remember Pearl Harbor. The psychology for whipping up revenge in the name of patriotism has always worked. World War II was a just war, but the mix of patriotism and revenge made it easy for the American military to firebomb out of existence 50 Japanese cities and to destroy a couple more with atom bombs.
Are the American people guilty of a war crime because of the Iraq war? Surely the leaders who cooked up the excuses for the war are. So, too, are the national media that allowed patriotism to silence them. So, too, are those ordinary Americans who almost insisted on some kind of patriotic gore. On this weekend in which we glorify -- with good reason -- our patriotism, we might examine our conscience about what phony patriotism has caused us to do. A third of the American population supported the war and has now changed its mind. It might be wise for such folk to prepare answers to the kinds of questions God might ask about phony patriotism. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 12:31:12 PM | Not to mention a MINIMUM of 4 weeks PTO.....many have 6.
I have the documentation to prove Irish 'citizenship' thru my grandparents........it's a wonderful country & one of the fastest growing economies in Europe. Neat place, friendly people. One could do much worse. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 12:52:55 PM | DesigningWoman:
some US citizens that also hold double citizenships go back after their 50ies because in Europe you get better social pensions benefits and in many cases, universal health care.
The trouble with Europe for immigrants ( not native Europeans) are the languages ,which are difficult to learn and to master on the professional level and the complications of life in an old and multi-cultured continent. Easier for them to come to North America, especially now that Europe in getting tougher on immigration: They can't afford the luxuries of the past either. Plus, Europe is a lot more expensive as far as living costs go and taxes. To be truly honest: it is easier to make a life for yourself in North America then in Europe: in many places they are still too conservative and, unfortunately, even racists; unemployment can be high ( because of the high standards for the employed) and the mass of burocracy could literally kill business. As Nero1 said, if you factor in only THE MONEY, (not safety, health care costs and social security), then you are better off immigrating to the USA. Canada is less expensive than Europe, more peaceful and more tolerant. If you have a lot, a lot, a lot of money and don't like paying taxes, then the Usa are probably the best choice.
In Europe they are conservative out of tradition, in the US they are conservative out of sheer convenience. In Canada they are conservative out of principle.
Still, I personally prefer Canada. ( It is just they they build like crap here.....I am telling you, there is nothing as High in quality as I have seen in Italy; that I miss, and the art, but I have chosen nature, peace, space and tolerance: Canada is a great country). If they just could get some of the US passion for politics! The election campaigns here put you to sleep. In order to get some emotional reaction here, you have to do something really crazy: Canadians are too polite and very tolerant. But peaceful, and, generally speaking, decently educated; certainly quite open-minded, at least in the big cities. They also mind their own business ( which the Europeans, that I know of, don't do). In Europe it is a lot about Status; if you don't have the Status, you are nobody. At least in the USA, if you excel, you get noticed ( that I have to admit: americans are more meritocratic and more flexible in a lot of ways; they can also be very creative and make it out of nothing, if they are brilliant, lucky, and they work hard.... See Ron? You are not the worse that you can have either). | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 5:17:10 PM | I would consider going to Ireland, as my mother's parents were born there. Ireland by the way is kicking our butts when it comes to technology.
WOW we really HAVE gotten off the track about Bushboy and its minions baloneying us into Iraq. Well, George Will, a fairly conservative columnist, has been ignoring Bush in his columns for the past few years. We are doing the same--a subtle dig against the worst president we have ever had | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 7:18:23 PM | [ronjo - since you bring up biological weapons, how about the biological weapons that killed people here in the US (all of them democrats) and was traced back the a US biological weapons lab which has never even been investigated...? ]
I believe I was asked for sources when posting. I would respectfully request the same.
Mainly because 1.neither of the two senators were killed. 2.The 5 people who were killed were not reported as being democrats or republicans. They were common citizens, not Senators.
In answer to the discussion over countries that are good to live in. There are countries that are cool to live in,I will give anyone that. But America is my home country. Some of my ancestors are American Indian. My Dad was 3/4 Cherokee which makes me about 1/8th. There are also Irish,German and Scotch ancestors. They were all given a second chance at making something of their lives here in America and did so. All I can say is, live where you want to live. If you don't like it in America, then go live in Ireland or Denmark or wherever you please. That is better than living here and whining about Americas faults ot imagined faults.
The comment about America not being the most powerful nation on earth,is not true at all. We still are. So far. I worry we may not be though if an inexperienced liberal takes office. That is why I am voting for McCain. To keep America strong.
As far as being in some sort of denial, I disagree. I have always been a realist. That comes from military experience and years of being a Police Officer. The denial of the neccessity of attacking our enemies,who are criminals, and making sure they are never capable of hurting us again, is the worst kind of denial. When you put your head in the sand and pretend it will all just go away, if we leave it alone ,is the epitomy of denial. We are at war. We are winning. We will bring our troops home when the job is done. That is reality whether people like it or not. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 8:17:19 PM | given that most of the people who died from the exposure and those who got sick were peripheral targets, we could extrapolate that the direct recipients, the democratic senators, were part of a larger targeting against democrats, especially when combined that they were opponents of the patriot act.....
http://www.freefromterror.net/other_articles/gov_anthrax.html
Who spread the anthrax last October and why? Well, who has that strain of anthrax and who has a motive? Most commentators and the FBI agree that only a select group of Americans have easy access to the Ames strain of anthrax used in the letters mailed last October. But why would any of them want to kill and terrorize Americans? The clue is in the timing. A chronology of events suggests that the motivation was to boost passage of controversial legislation in Congress last October, called the USA Patriot Act. A number of unlikely “coincidences” associated with the anthrax attacks makes it hard to believe that they were random.
CONSIDER THESE “COINCIDENCES”
· The anthrax attacks were concurrent with the debate of Bush’s Patriot Act by Congress and the media.
· The Senators who received anthrax letters were trying to amend the Patriot Act to protect civil liberties and the innocent.
· Two Senate democratic leaders received anthrax letters mailed the same day that Senator Feingold blocked an attempt to rush the bill through without discussion or amendments.
· And on that very same day, the FBI told the Iowa state lab to
destroy the original batch of the Ames strain, making tracing the
anthrax type more difficult.
· Senator Leahy received an anthrax threat after he expressed reservations about the Bill. As Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, he managed the debate on the Bill.
· Senate Majority Leader Daschle received the first Senate anthrax letter as he led the opposition to the original version of the Bill.
· After receiving the anthrax letter, Daschle switched from supporting a 2 year limit on the Bill, later defending a 4-year sunset clause as the “appropriate balance.”
· No Republican received an anthrax letter.
· The House and Senate buildings were closed and not reopened until after the Patriot Act was passed.
· The Supreme Court was shut down with an anthrax scare the day after the constitutionally-challenged Patriot Act was signed by President Bush.
· All the contaminated letters contained the Ames strain of anthrax, the DNA of which is traced to the original batch preserved in a university lab in Ames, Iowa. This strain was “weaponized” in Utah into a potent powder with an elaborate secret technique developed at Fort Detrick, Md.[1]
· The FBI failed to interview Ft. Detrick anthrax experts for two months into their investigation, doing it only after the experts complained to the press of gross incompetence on the part of the FBI.
· The FBI overruled local homicide detectives who think that an anthrax expert was murdered, possibly because he knew too much. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 8:37:41 PM | | The same anthrax strain was used against many officials who refused to stay quite about the cover -up of 911 , the ones who went along with the hoax were mostly all promoted . definately not somethingyou would have been told since most of the whistleblowers are now coming out about the reality of the tower attacks. It was an inside job people and it's now finally being realized . I hate that I had to spend 8 years of my life trying to explain the rediculously obvious to people who have a fox news mentality. If you want to understand what I mean about irrefutable final truth mail me and I will show you what the movement now has found to finally prove that the US government, the saudi's and Israel were complicit in the demolition of the towers. Funny thing Osama didn't figure into it for a minute . People are so dumb. | |
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NERO1
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Joined: 3/8/2008
Msg: 333 | |
| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 7/2/2008 8:42:50 PM | ^^ That's an interesting and fairly bold statement. Where did you come up with that? Do you have any links, or ... is that just an "IMO" type of thing??  | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 9:17:26 PM | Nero from what I've seen you seem to be somewhat intelligent so I shouldn't have to spoon feed you should I ? what an intelligent person does is looks for answers. here I'll help you. now when you actually take the time to study this and you come back with a no vote I will know without a doubt that you either didn't study this film and it's evidence or you don't have the capacity to understand the simple reality of things.
http://www.improbablecollapse.com/ | |
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NERO1
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Joined: 3/8/2008
Msg: 335 | |
| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 7/2/2008 9:46:00 PM | ^^ I've already seen all this and looked into the "truth" movement extensively. I don't buy into it, sorry. To each their own. As I've said elsewhere on these forums, if there was a "conspiracy" of any sort in the run-up leading up to 9/11 I believe it essentially went no further than a conspiracy (so to speak) of ball-dropping; tragic miscommunications and lack of vital communications (inter-agency & intra-agency); blown opportunities on the part of the Clinton admin & missed intell on the part of the Bush admin, & so on. And a dash of luck , really, on the part of the terrorists. So it's not that I haven't seen your evidence, it's just that I don't believe in it. And therefore lack the capacity to understand the "simple reality of things".  | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 9:55:15 PM | I've already seen all this and looked into the "truth" movement extensively.
Well then your reality is seriously compromised and I am sorry for you . I thought you would have been smarter.now go and look again , this time open your eyes . or perhaps take a course in physics, it would help to understand the way the real world works. | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 7:43:52 AM | | ^^^ i'm not doubting something like that could have happened.... i just haven't seen incontrovertible truth and none of us probably will.... so much sand in the face of the umpire... thrown there by the dark forces of the Empire..... | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 10:55:14 AM | OK Rojo, I see where you are coming from.
The issue is " How many people are you willing to kill, meaning to keep killing ( it is not going to stop anywhere.....the danger will always be there! Because the real danger is YOU and France and Germany and all those that rely on the f...........ing oil) to keep your wordly position of 'strength' "??? Wait till the greed turns inward.........till you kill more of your own people than of the threat outside.......how long do you think this is going to last? How sustainable is this? Now, how hard it is to force Israel to give the f.....ing land back to the Palestians? What is the problem with that? Are they terrorists too??? You mean: they kill people and you don't But you kill in the name of 'strength' and 'power', while they kill in the name of justice........Which one is the worst? I wonder
In a way you have got the best and the worst at the same time. There must be a lesson here. | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 11:19:28 AM | And the conflict still continues.
THis has been published on the Internet, just look for it:
"To understand what really causes the Middle East conflict to continue, one must look at the issue from the top down. To get a more accurate picture of what lies behind the continued existence of the conflict, lets acknowledge these five factors which serve to perpetuate rather than solve the problem:
1) The vested interests of the Foreign Elite (FE): There is a third entity in the conflict in addition to the Israelis and the Arabs: the foreigners (in order of importance, the US, Britain, Russia, China, France, Germany). Without them, there would be no Middle East conflict because it is the foreign influence that keeps the situation from being resolved. Unfortunately, both Palestinian Arabs and Israeli Jews believe they are each others worst enemy without considering the third element the foreigners that is the enemy of both. The thing that Arabs and Jews have most in common is this common enemy, yet the leaders on both sides (not being legitimate or independent) tell their people that the other side is their number one enemy. Hence the conflict continues
2) Control of Middle East oil: The foreigners interfere in the Arab-Israeli conflict in order to exploit and control the vast petroleum resources in the region. If there were no oil, there would be no petrodollars to recycle; the foreigners would have no reason to dominate the region
3) Weapons sales: If there was a worldwide ban on arms sales to the Middle East, there would be no more radical Arab dictators with modern arms. If the foreigners stopped selling advanced weaponry to nations of the Middle East, the conflict would end
4) The mainstream media: If the mainstream media in the West stopped reporting on the "search for peace in the Middle East", peace would prevail. By keeping the regions unstable image alive, the media, as the sole source of information by which people can formulate their perceptions, provide an excuse for the foreigners to interfere, and at the same time serve to convince everyone that these western nations want peace, despite the fact that they have been seeking it for over 50 years, in vain. The media never question the intentions or agendas of the FE. The media thus provide the glue which keeps the conflict going. Without the mainstream media constantly reporting on the conflict, there would be peace, as everyone would forget that the Middle East is unstable and thus in need of stabilizing via new peace initiatives
5) Corrupt national leadership of Middle East nations: It isn't peace between Arabs and Jews that interests the FE, but rather the continuation of the conflict. The way they do that is by corrupting/controlling the national leaders of both sides. The reason why legitimate, popular leaders are not at the helms of countries in the Middle East is because the FE will topple any leader who doesn't cater to their desires before the needs of their own people. If Middle East leaders are selected and deemed popular by their own people, the FE will demonize them as radicals/extremists, terrorist leaders or enemies of peace, and thus de-legitimize them in the world arena. How can genuine co-existence take hold if the leaders of both sides are more interested in pleasing their foreign masters than their own peoples?
Unless these five basic factors are understood, the true causes that extend the conflict will never be understood. Instead, each side will go on blaming the other seeking to take the high moral ground and convince their own people and those from abroad that they are right, and the other side is wrong. This will lead only to more death and destruction. The technique is called divide and rule, and it has been a favorite of the FE for decades.
It needs to be understood that the reason why the Middle East conflict continues to exist is because foreign elements desire the conflict not to be solved. This conflict is not nearly as complicated to solve as they present it in the mainstream media and the think thanks/analyses world of "Middle East affairs" that exist worldwide. More than 50 years down the road we are still no nearer to a solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict than we were in the 1940s, the 1950s, the 1960s, the 1970s, the 1980s, or the 1990s".
Bottom line: OIL! HOW LONG will this keep making sense???? HOW LONG?
Wait till NATURE ITSELF turns again US all. And our answer will be? To keep killing, of course. Like we were smarter than nature itself: this is truly the Apex of dumbness.
You Crash, you got it easy. | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 1:41:47 PM | Ok tell you what....since the general concensus here by a few who have completely taken over the thread and created a hate America pat each other on the back and up with communism atmosphere you could do us all the favor of hpping the nearest plane and going to those countries that you so admire and and leave America to those that love her. If you truly believe that America is such a hateful place to live why live here?? hmmmm? Quite honestly we could do without hte hate mongers anyway.
There was a General who once said that
For all those that have served..Freedom has a taste the protected will never know. | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 1:52:45 PM | ^^^ yea! a love it or leave it post.....haven't had one of them in a while!!!
don't assume that none of us have chosen military service ..... now leave us to our back slapping..... or tell us how Bush didn't lie to the WORLD.... | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 2:17:02 PM | talking about 'denial'............
Honor to the dead and to the survivors, but the truth is....................you like to keep your head in the sand.
Plus due to the subject of this thread......The truth is soooooooooo official, that it is evident to everybody, expect those that like to breath sand.
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Posted: 7/3/2008 4:35:43 PM | | Actually the subject of the thread was that Bush lied us into the war which even by the commisions own report that was handed down found that nowhere in any speech during the run-up to the war did Bush lie. Since that same report was also handed down by your beloved Democrats bet that sat well with you hmmm? Actually I cant stand the administration for some of its policies regarding domestic agendas however do I call names or spit venom? no I speak my mind and my opinion but I leave the spitting to those who seem to have no intelligent point to add so instead call names and throw mud. I have heard people say much the same things 30 years ago of another president that were just as degrading and angry as the taunts and anger being expressed here. Head in the sand? Nope sitting here in the bleachers watching you make fools of yourselves! | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 4:45:44 PM |
leave America to those that love her
As you seem to be one for cliches and platitudes, surely you have heard of "tough love." | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 5:02:24 PM | | ^^^^^how would it be cliche to stand behind and love your country? Tough love is a good thing yes but name calling twisting peoples words to fit your agenda or outright denigrating the country or the people who live here and serve here shows little to no class. Saying that the war was caused by Bush alone is a play on words and meant to elicit anger. Why the angry words at him when it is congress itself who saw the same intel and gave the go-ahead? It is Congress who makes the laws not the president the president is the face and voice of the nation not the power. You should instead be angry at your own party in congress yet instead you denigrate one man? Pffft. | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 5:12:56 PM | | You are intentionally misconstruing what I said. Telling people with whom you disagree to leave the country, not love of country, is what is cliche. And lacking in class, since you bring that subject up. I disagree with your assessment of the path toward the Iraq invasion, as do others. Has anyone suggested that you leave the country over that disagreement? You denigrate others, yet play the victim when called upon your actions. | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 5:31:48 PM | ibscrooge: you better go back and read the entire thread.....As you can read ( if you are willing), I have also personally spoken the good of America, but the truth is the truth and lies do not work. Stop reaction like a 2 yo kid who got his candies stolen.
Out of love for your country, it would be good if you could acknowledge the feelings of horror and disdain that US fantastic strategy in the last 8 years has provoked. People have the right to protest what is not acceptable to them. This does not mean they don't love their country. I love Italy too, but I am the worst critic of its stupidities and corruption. Dumbness does not belong to any specific race or nation: occasionally it can be applied to everybody: It just happened to be the US Conservatives' turn ( unfortunately wise Democrats in Congress were not listened too). Shame on Europe and the rest of the world who was complacent. | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 5:43:07 PM | I am appalled at the ignorance seen in here with respect to Communism. I am very liberal, but am also vehemently anti-Communist. Being politically liberal and Communism are like comparing apples to oranges. I have long done what I can to avoid buying Made in China because I KNOW what Communism is, and have seen it first hand. Liberal Democratic policies are more comparable to the European or Canadian democracies, which are NOT Communist. The only true anti Communists today are the liberals fighting to get China off Tibet's back and boycotting Made in China due to the severe human rights violations that the Chinese government inflicts on its people. To compare freedom loving liberal Democrats to Communists only shows a serious lack of knowledge about the political and economic systems of the world.
Sadly too many gullible people still think that Bushboy and its minions didn't lie to start a war of choice. Unfortunately the right wing talk shows and crazy groups spread propaganda to get gullible people to believe their filth. Right wing radio also does not have the same standards of decency that Air America has. Many of the right wingers spew profane language, while Air America's language is okay for children to hear~it is clean, proper, honest and decent. One time I started to listen to a right wing talk show host, and it was using language that I would not want children to hear. I was so disgusted that I asked the driver of the car to change the station. That kind of language reflects just how disgusting and foul the right wing has become. | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 5:59:47 PM | You do your country a disservice when you quit thinking with a free and willing mind.
If you don't like what you see happening, it's you duty as an involve American to voice yourself ~ and speak your mind ~ That is one of the principle that this country was founded on. ~
I'm not giving anyone a Carta Blancha to to act in my behalf as an American.
Nor will I stand up and defend errors in judgment or rally around failed policy.
I own ~ and have just as much at stake here and anyone else.
and lies are lies ~ regardless who told them ~ and failed policy is failed policy
regardless who's idea it was. ~
George Bush ~ couldn't hold the light high enough for passed great leaders to run by!
I'm sorry if that disappoints you ~ and I know it does for many of you.
But greatness is just not in him. ~ Never was!
You'll loyalty is misplace ~ in a man ~ and the country if you choose to continue your course.
You got the cat calling the kettle black ~ the tail wagging the dog. ~ I expect progress in 8 years ~ somewhere ~ for Christ sake!
Where is Norman Schwarzkopf and men like him ~ when you need them?
We are running with a bunch of panzies as first stringers ~ from the White House down.
Leadership is non existant! ~ There is none ~ they are linning their pockets ~ while you cheer them on. ~ Do me again Daddy! I'm a loyal American and I like it when you act tough!
Put more wonderful lies in my plate ~ I promise to eat them all!
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Posted: 7/3/2008 6:29:11 PM | | You are mistaking me as I was avoiding naming names so to speak. I do not like to single people out in that manner. What I was refering to was the vehement name calling and denigration of America and its leaders because you dont agree with its policies. Look I personally do not agree with all of its policies either but neither will I stoop to saying things like "Bushboy" if you can understand this. It is a good thing to call out our leaders and to point out mistakes but at the same time remember to treat them with the respect that the office holds. I.E. I would never say something like Slick Willie as he was commander in chief and president. The same goes for President Bush who in my opinion has not lived up to the office however I will still give him the respect he does deserve as commander in chief and President. Call me what you will for being a conservative however I am not a card carrying member of the republican party. I dont like some of the things they espouse and the same goes for the democratic party as well. It just so happens that I am more aligned with the republicans on many issues that I hold dear. In this matter we can agree to disagree and go have a beer somewhere but I wont stand for denigration of people , the office or this nation. | |
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