| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/5/2008 9:40:02 PM | Would a clone of me have a soul? I think so. It certainly wouldn't be my soul though.
How are we different from animals? The information I've picked up over time points to self-awareness. We are aware of ourselves, our uniqueness, our being a different entity from those around us. We know when we are looking at ourselves in a mirror. We have the mental faculties (smarts) and the self-awareness to know "Hey, that's me in the reflection!" Have you ever watch a dog bark at itself in the mirror? Or a cat get scarred by it running by a mirror real fast? I know my snake doesn't recognize itself in the mirror. I think some animals have souls, but not all.
I tend to view things from a weird perspective sometimes, but with how the in-vitro cloning process goes, it's a lot like taking those natural fleshy parts we have, replacing them with technical apparatus, and then doing the choosing the genetic combination yourself instead of by chance.
With that being said, though I think a clone would have a soul, albeit unique, I don't think we should ever clone humans for ANY reason. With the amount of animals we have on this planet, there's no real necessity to clone them either. | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/5/2008 9:51:43 PM |
stepping into the realm of interfering in life
but the same can be said about medicine, life support, cures for disease, asthma, prescription glasses etc. Are those not interfering with life?
They did many of these odd experiments in Russia
that doesn't inspire a whole lot of confidence... | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/5/2008 9:52:18 PM | I haven't read through here yet, but has an accurate defintion of a soul been brought to the table to even allow the thread's question to be properly answered? 
And we can recognize ourselves in a mirror because we have awesome pattern recognition abilities.
A dog eats it's own poo thinking it's some food, because it can't see the pattern that it just came from it's bum hole. lol | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/5/2008 11:03:09 PM | Dolly is living just as much, as Dolly's genetic contributor would. 
Anyhoo, if a person has a soul, it really doesn't allow them much more power than a soulless creature.
Either that or a frontal lobotomy has the power to eradicate a person's soul. | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/5/2008 11:35:33 PM | Again, as I previously stated in effect, while cloning can create a physical mirror of a person, a person is more than their physical image alone. On the concept of identical twins born years apart, it is a flawed theory without recreating every aspect from conception to "present day" of the life experiences and such that shaped beyond the physical attributes the WHOLE person.
Now I see. Some people seem to be thinking along the line of: Does the clone have a same identical soul as the person cloned? Nope, because the clone is not another you, it's someone else who just happens to have the same genetic material as you. It's a different person with a different soul - assuming, of course, people have souls. | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/5/2008 11:44:15 PM |  ยป I say yes a clone will have a soul. The clone is a human being made of the same basic building blocks as everyone. Just like identical twins and babies born from in vitro fertilization, all have a soul, that is if anyone really does.  | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/5/2008 11:44:19 PM | Here's another question.
Since I have no idea what a soul is supposed to be, does a baby born without a functioning brain have a soul? | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/6/2008 2:27:57 AM |
I will be contemplating this for some time to come... very interesting thoughts, thanks for sharing them :)
could you guys just imagine a "Mini Sassy"? scary!
A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
thats a question only a god could answer. | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/6/2008 5:02:48 AM | >>>Why do we want to clone really? whats the purpose?
Clone humans? You got me, but the most obvious answer would be to replace love ones lost, or maybe even attain a level of immortality(and avoiding consquences) by shifting from one healthy 'husk' to another
Another example for human cloning, although unpopular, would be to clone armies.
But other forms of cloning could change the world- cloning an army of cows could feed beef to the world- an army of sheep could clothe the world, ect.
>>>Jiperly, I love ginger girls. So get off my back!
Lol- that was a reference to South Park, who in one episode claimed Gingers had no soul(and in another episode, claimed Asians don't have them neither)
I think this topic would reach a much more productive end if we were to define what a soul is first- without knowing what a soul is, we cannot be certain if a clone would have one at all.... | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/6/2008 5:43:23 AM |
Clone humans? You got me, but the most obvious answer would be to replace love ones lost, or maybe even attain a level of immortality(and avoiding consquences) by shifting from one healthy 'husk' to another
That doesn't really make sense, clones don't duplicate knowledge. You'd get a bag of meat that was shaped the same, but it wouldn't provide immortality, or avoid any consequences.
Another example for human cloning, although unpopular, would be to clone armies.
Why would you want to do that? All that would produce is genetically identical soldiers. It's not as if large armies are the secret of military success these days.
But other forms of cloning could change the world- cloning an army of cows could feed beef to the world- an army of sheep could clothe the world, ect.
Ummmm it would be a lot more expensive than simply breeding them. The issue with animals isnt' our ability to reproduce them, the issue is our ability to feed them. | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/6/2008 5:43:24 AM | The concept of a soul is a human construct....that has no evidential support. The speculation that humans have a soul may give some comfort to some people who may perhaps fear death, thereby affording the chance that something of themselves will survive death....usually into some kind of after life. However, faith based speculation is all it is.
If the original doesn't have a soul....is it as likely or any more likely that a replica has a soul either?? I think not. The essence that makes a replica as much as an original unique....its life experiences, memories, feelings, virtues, vices, abilities, disabilities, likes, dislikes, biases and prejudices, loves and hates would all be extinguished at the moment of irreversible death. | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/6/2008 7:57:37 AM | | I believe that in the case of a genetically identical clone of myself, we would probably share a single soul. I would have it on Tuesdays Thursdays and Saturdays and my alter ego could use it on the other days. The following week we could alternate the arrangement. We would rotate possession of the soul during holiday periods on successive years. I think we might also creatively divide soul allocation when working different shifts, - meaning that my clone could use it whilst I was asleep, for a small fee. | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/6/2008 10:40:02 AM | I think, therefore i am.
I believe that if you can think intelligently,feel pain and have emotions then you have a soul, doesn't leave much room left for argument. | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/6/2008 10:47:15 AM |
I think we might also creatively divide soul allocation when working different shifts, - meaning that my clone could use it whilst I was asleep, for a small fee.
Sounds a bit too much like a custody order only the child is in effect the "soul". | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/6/2008 11:14:13 AM |
could you guys just imagine a "Mini Sassy"? scary! You wish, lol...
I like the idea that since we are all made of the same stuff, the clone would indeed have a soul.... it fits into my view that we are all a part of God...
But what would that mean in a higher sense? Would this man-generated soul be subject to karma, reincarnation, etc... ?
I have no answers.. only questions.... great thread Op :) | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/6/2008 3:17:57 PM |
Would this man-generated soul be subject to karma, reincarnation, etc... ?
It wouldn't be a man-generated soul. To make a clone, you remove the genetic material from an egg, then insert the nucleus taken from a cell removed from whomever you wish to clone. If the egg begins to divide, it's placed in the uterus of a surrogate mother. In nine months, if all goes well, you have a baby.
Assuming God exists, if He is capable of placing a soul into child created sexually, He would also be capable of adding one to a child created in other ways. | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/6/2008 4:29:11 PM | | This thread is hysterical. People are trying to use science to provide an answer to a questi0n whose answer can only be non-scientific. | |
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