| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/14/2008 8:59:10 PM | Yes. Clones of Humans will have a soul. It's will be made from the essence of the Creator just like we were upon conception. Then became aware and conscience, which is the awareness of the Soul. The Creator is Omnipotent. There was nothing but the Creator in the beginning. Therefore everything living came forth from the Main source of the Supreme Architect.
The soul (Atma/Atom/Atum) Always was and always shall be. For ever and ever Amen. | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 10/24/2009 12:58:54 PM | | What is a Soul ? How much does it weigh ? Does it have mass ? Does it take up space ? Is it detectable ? How do you prove the existance of souls in the first place ? I have no idea man. | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 10/24/2009 1:48:08 PM | There is no phsyical evidence the soul exists- so its me saying that, if I had invisible fairy wings that no one could detect, perceive, or concieve, would my clone have invisible fairy wings?
Or do you mean if you raised a clone, and raised the original, would both have the same personality? No, I doubt it, although some characteristics may be the same- but thats possible with anyone picked off the street.... | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 10/25/2009 4:12:52 AM | | Well since real people don't have souls I am quessing a clone wouldn't either.The sperit is part of the brain and it will die with the brain. any other beleifs are just silly. | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 10/25/2009 8:51:34 AM | First of all, why would anyone call a living human being a mere "clone?" Who cares how he or she gets here, if she or he makes it, because she or he is wondered to be soulless, what will their future look like--how will this person be treated?
Does cloning bring us closer to materialism or closer to love and a peaceful world? Oh never-mind, silly question. In science, the most barbaric believe that these types of questions are frivolous: "what does this have to do with science?" the proclaim?
Well, such questions are philosophical...  | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 10/25/2009 8:58:09 AM | I keep thinking back to an old "Star Trek - Next Generation" episode, where a hearing is taking place to determine if an android is considered a crewman or property...
Here's the summation...
"We've all been dancing around the question - Does Data have a soul? I'm not sure that he does... I'm not sure that *I* do... but I've GOT to give him the freedom to explore that question for himself."
I don't know if my clone will have a soul, just like I don't know if I do. But if it comes down to it, I would want him to have the opportunity to learn for himself.  | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 10/25/2009 6:28:16 PM | | I am a non-believer, just to state for the record. I do believe in souls. They are the sum of the bits of us that reside in the memories of others after we have passed. If a clone had friends, family and loved ones, it would have a soul. If a person, clone or non-clone grew up in some horrid condition where no one knew it existed, no one cared if it lived or died and it died, I would dare say it would have no soul. No one would see it in their dreams, think of it in passing during the day, and it would not be able to rattle chains or people's thoughts. | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 10/25/2009 8:34:11 PM |
I am a non-believer, just to state for the record. I do believe in souls. They are the sum of the bits of us that reside in the memories of others after we have passed.
I don't want to bash your beleifs but I think you are wrong. I am like you a non beleiver and well i don't believe in souls. Just read what you said souls were. Those aren't souls those are exactly what you say they are, memories not souls. Dont beleive me google it basically the soul is the mind or in better terms the brain therefore the bible made up the soul. | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 10/26/2009 11:11:35 AM | | OP, a few posters questioned the existence of a soul. Didn't some researchers find that a moment after death the human body weighs 7 oz less than just before and it couldn't be accounted for by the final exhalation? If so, I wonder how they recruited study volunteers, hmmm. Or was that just a movie title? So much information, so poor a brain I have to keep it all straight... | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 10/27/2009 12:37:55 PM |
OP, a few posters questioned the existence of a soul. Didn't some researchers find that a moment after death the human body weighs 7 oz less than just before and it couldn't be accounted for by the final exhalation?
I'm pretty sure that if there was such thing as a soul it would be weightless. Also 7 oz isn't a heck of alot I am sure something else could acomidate for that. I definately wouldn't be using that as proof that the souls is real. | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 10/27/2009 4:38:39 PM | | I'm of the opinion that soul is consciousness which has it's Source in the cosmos. So if a clone is born and eventually proves to be conscious and aware then it must have a soul. I think we may even eventually achieve a form of consciousness in our sophisticated electronic devices and robots as well. I read an article a short while ago the author of which suggested that the Internet might already be conscious. This really didn't surprise me. I've been dealing with devices and vehicles that seemed to have a mind of their own for about as long as I've been capable of bad language. | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 10/28/2009 1:38:40 AM | Ok. I just read your post above Garry. Since I read it so late in the evening, just before bed, its gonna give me bad dreams.
Where did you read about this idea of the "soul" of the internet? I would like to read up on the idea myself. Its an absolutely fascinating premise to suggest that the material world can support some type of spontaneously created consciousness, existing simply as a consequence of human invention. This notion would make an interesting thread. What might the implications be? Wow.
Nice post. | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 10/29/2009 5:11:39 PM | I'm pretty sure that if there was such thing as a soul it would be weightless.
Why? A soul might have some substance. A soul, if there is one, wouldn't have any supernatural properties. Seems to me, a soul would have to adhere to the laws a physics, just like everything else. | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 11/2/2009 5:33:13 PM | Consider two clones. Each identical.
Can a clone kill another clone similar to himself/herself?
Would it be murder or would it be suicide or assisting suicide?
In a report this year it was revealed that c 45% transplant patients think that they have taken on some part of the "identity of the donor".
Think about that for a moment.
Either the 45% are completely mistaken in which case no problem.
Or they are identifying something humankind could not previously have known. Rememeber transplants are a new phenomenon c 30 yrs old.
What if the donor part contains some "entity" which we do not understand from one body to another.
Rememember to date we seem to beleive the "soul" or life force has departed the donor body and the donor is deceased.
We beleive he/she ceases to exist once the brain stem is no longer responding.
Are we carving up a donor who is still alive? Think about that.
Is there a "soul" in the arm, leg, face, kidney which has been transplanted.
Dont ask a christian priest or a rabbi because they know no more than you do.
But rememeber tomorrow you could die in a car crash and be harvested or equally likely have an accident and need a donation of a body part perhaps from somebody with a very strange personality, possibly even an undetected criminal.
What would happen if an "entity " other than the entity of the donor jumps an unknown barrier and inhabits the donor part? | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 11/2/2009 5:42:34 PM | Rocketman says
Here's the summation...
"We've all been dancing around the question - Does Data have a soul? I'm not sure that he does... I'm not sure that *I* do... but I've GOT to give him the freedom to explore that question for himself."
Dont you American believe this
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
All men are created equal and their Creator endowed them with unalienable life.
Does that apply to a robot or a clone or even an extraterrestrial? | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 11/8/2009 11:34:50 PM | since no one REALLY knows if there is such a thing as a soul-
then I guess that a clone would have to make up his or her mind to believe or not to believe
that they indeed have a soul or not
so what we non clones believe
is a moot point- | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 11/9/2009 8:19:45 AM | I don't know of any evidence for the existence of souls, so neither me nor my clone would have one, IMO.
However, if souls do exist, what happens in the case of identical twins, where they both derive from the same fertilized egg? Does each have a half-soul? Or would they each have their own? If the latter, then I'd think a clone would also have a soul, since a clone is also human.
This is really one of those meaningless questions, since it makes an assumption about the existence of something unproven. | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 11/11/2009 4:33:29 PM | I wonder if the design size of a male clones "tackle" will depend on the percentage of male vs women scientists on the project?....
more men scientists.... small willy design perhaps?..... modest..... they wouldn't want to put themselves out of a job,eh?....
more women scientists... a more ambitious willy size?.... a whopper!!!!!.......  | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 11/12/2009 12:12:03 PM | | Forgive me if I am repeating something that has already been said but identical twins are identical. They are clones, even on the DNA code level, from what I understand, at least. If clones didn't have a soul then one twin would be soulless, right? | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 11/12/2009 12:12:40 PM | | Forgive me if I am repeating something that has already been said but identical twins are identical. They are clones, even on the DNA code level, from what I understand, at least. If clones didn't have a soul then one twin would be soulless, right? | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 11/12/2009 12:45:08 PM | | I'll said lets make a clone watching grow ,see ,is it "it" or "him" develop and we all ask the mill dollar "Q" | |
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